Genesis 6:1-2 Revisited. Unredeemable

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By the way, the fallen angels are not included in that SHEEPFOLD and never will be
I respect your opinion, but I do not believe that the two gentiles are He referring of other sheep which are not in this fold is only the fulfillment of what he said. Contrary to what you interpret, I interpret OTHER SHEEP WHICH ARE NOT IN THIS FOLD is another kind, as another identity not belonging of what, and I believe It is a multitude of factors He will personally visit not just two persons only.
 
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By the way, the fallen angels are not included in that SHEEPFOLD and never will be
I respect your opinion, but I do not believe that the two gentiles are He referring of other sheep which are not in this fold is only the fulfillment of what he said. Contrary to what you interpret, I interpret OTHER SHEEP WHICH ARE NOT IN THIS FOLD is another kind, as another identity not belonging of what his former, and I believe It is a multitude of factors He will personally visit not just two persons only.
 

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Fallen angels are not nephilim. Nephilim are the progeny of fallen angels and human women.
Nephilim. are men of renown. David was a man of renown a giant of faith that worked in David . He challenged the renown of the enemy of faith called Goliath. Goliath learned the lesson the hard way .Should of never taken a swords to a 45 caliber slingshot match . Like the giant eastern Indian fellow in Indian Jones Crusade. He learned never to take a sword to a 45 caliber gun match . One 45 cal. stone right between the eyes their renown champion fell flat on his face.

Sons of God (progenitor) as what we are . . not knowing what we will be. they cohabited with daughters of men (progenitor) .Just as sons of men with daughters (Adam race) of men . two unbelievers being mixed with the believers they violated the law not to be unevenly yoked .The spiritual seed of Christ had not come the end of the genealogy.

Of men. . progenitor the temporal (seeds many death )
Of God.... progenitor the eternal ( seed one eternal )

Simply look to the progenitor. God or of men pick one.

Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.1 John 3:2
 

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I respect your opinion, but I do not believe that the two gentiles are He referring of other sheep which are not in this fold is only the fulfillment of what he said. Contrary to what you interpret, I interpret OTHER SHEEP WHICH ARE NOT IN THIS FOLD is another kind, as another identity not belonging of what, and I believe It is a multitude of factors He will personally visit not just two persons only.
Another kind. Non sheep? I don't think he is talking about wolves hearing his word and obeying the voice .His staff beats them down comforts the sheep then the sheep can rest
 

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Nephilim. are men of renown. David was a man of renown a giant of faith that worked in David . He challenged the renown of the enemy of faith called Goliath. Goliath learned the lesson the hard way .Should of never taken a swords to a 45 caliber slingshot match . Like the giant eastern Indian fellow in Indian Jones Crusade. He learned never to take a sword to a 45 caliber gun match . One 45 cal. stone right between the eyes their renown champion fell flat on his face.

Sons of God (progenitor) as what we are . . not knowing what we will be. they cohabited with daughters of men (progenitor) .Just as sons of men with daughters (Adam race) of men . two unbelievers being mixed with the believers they violated the law not to be unevenly yoked .The spiritual seed of Christ had not come the end of the genealogy.

Of men. . progenitor the temporal (seeds many death )
Of God.... progenitor the eternal ( seed one eternal )

Simply look to the progenitor. God or of men pick one.

Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.1 John 3:2
Garee. You are a nice guy. But I can't converse with you. I don't have you on ignore, but I skip right over what you say because you CONSTANTLY allegorize, and "signify" and speak in unintelligible riddles. So take care buddy.
 

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I know this topic has been ruminated over and over but a thought hit me the other day and I have not heard it discussed.
If it actually was angels that procreated with the daughters of men then the offspring (Nephilim?) would be unredeemable since they were half men/half angel.
Jesus didn't die for the angels. How could they be judged as men?
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I wasnt aware angels had genitals. Thats a gift only mankind had, the power to procreate.
 

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Garee. You are a nice guy. But I can't converse with you. I don't have you on ignore, but I skip right over what you say because you CONSTANTLY allegorize, and "signify" and speak in unintelligible riddles. So take care buddy.
Defining words are necessary for finding the meaning.. otherwise the riddles or parable remain a unintelligible mystery.

Sorry. Without parables Christ spoke not. Genesis 6 in reference to Son of God is simply teaching not to be unevenly yoked with unbelievers' .
 

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Alright, I see that you straightly believe Nephilim are all fallen angels not by birth and not also possessing the body of earthlings. Did you really mean that the Nephilims provide their human body on their own? Did they have reproduction from the woman they intercourse?

To tell you frankly, I can’t get your statement automatically because for me it is not straightforward, and flowery.




Read my post #109, #117, #119 and #131, these are related to your comments.
No thanks. Read them yourself. I already told you that it was God who changed there bodies as punishment for their disobedience.
Rev 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
Rev 12:8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

When satan was in the garden the war in heaven had already taken place and satan AND HIS FALLEN ANGELS were already on earth.
Luk 10:18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.
Here is more scriptural proof so are you going to ignore these verse like you have been doing or are you going to admit that you are wromg about the fallen angels?
 

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By the way, the fallen angels are not included in that SHEEPFOLD and never will be
Yes that is right. Salvation has never been available to the fallen angels and it never will because they knew better.
 
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No thanks. Read them yourself. I already told you that it was God who changed there bodies as punishment for their disobedience.
Rev 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
Rev 12:8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

When satan was in the garden the war in heaven had already taken place and satan AND HIS FALLEN ANGELS were already on earth.
Luk 10:18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.
Here is more scriptural proof so are you going to ignore these verse like you have been doing or are you going to admit that you are wromg about the fallen angels?
PLS Show me the link when you say that it was God who changed their bodies as a punishment for their disobedience?
 
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No thanks. Read them yourself. I already told you that it was God who changed there bodies as punishment for their disobedience.
Rev 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
Rev 12:8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

When satan was in the garden the war in heaven had already taken place and satan AND HIS FALLEN ANGELS were already on earth.
Luk 10:18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.
Here is more scriptural proof so are you going to ignore these verse like you have been doing or are you going to admit that you are wromg about the fallen angels?
No, the war in heaven has not yet happened, but soon.

Satan was in the garden because he is an animal.

Genesis 3:1
1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?


Revelation 12:9
9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.


As for the fallen angels, there are two times in the scriptures when the angels fall. Once in the days before the Flood, and once more in the days before the End. Remember the days leading up to the End will be quite like the days of Noah, there are quite a lot of parallels between the two. Though the End will be much more extreme because everything will reach its full measure to culminate in the End.

Matthew 24:37
37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
 

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Alright, I see that you straightly believe Nephilim are all fallen angels not by birth and not also possessing the body of earthlings. Did you really mean that the Nephilims provide their human body on their own? Did they have reproduction from the woman they intercourse?

To tell you frankly, I can’t get your statement automatically because for me it is not straightforward, and flowery.




Read my post #109, #117, #119 and #131, these are related to your comments.
No thanks. You read them. I have given you all of the scriptural proof you need to determine that the fallen angels/Nephilim were created and not bo
No, the war in heaven has not yet happened, but soon.

Satan was in the garden because he is an animal.

Genesis 3:1
1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?


Revelation 12:9
9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.


As for the fallen angels, there are two times in the scriptures when the angels fall. Once in the days before the Flood, and once more in the days before the End. Remember the days leading up to the End will be quite like the days of Noah, there are quite a lot of parallels between the two. Though the End will be much more extreme because everything will reach its full measure to culminate in the End.

Matthew 24:37
37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
A lot of folks argue that that war in heaven has not happened yet. But that fact remains that satan was already already the adversary of God. In the garden satan proved that he hated God and he hated Gods creation and there is no scriptural proof what so ever that satan was an animal, From the book of Genesis to Revelation satan is called a serpent even though he was created by God to be perfect in all of his ways.
Eze 28:15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
Take notice here how the word "created" is used and not the word "born" and the thing about the heal bruising the head is a metaphor or figure of speech to speak the emnity between the seed of God and the seed of satan.
Christ saw satan fall from heaven as lightning before He was born of a woman.

Luk 10:18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.
Notice the word "beheld" in Luke 10:18?? The word "beheld" is speaking of past tense. Which puts the fall of satan in the past and not in the furture.
Even more proof that satan has already been cast down from heaven is in the book of Job.

Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.
Job 1:7 And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.

Job 2:1 Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD.
Job 2:2 And the LORD said unto Satan, From whence comest thou? And Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.

Do you really think that God would allow an angel as evil as satan and all of his evil angels to remain in the Abode of God???
The problem your having is that you are think that the book of Revelation can be put into a chronological order but God has made that impossible for us to do. There are many events that the book of Revelation speaks of that we know are for sure in the past and many that we know are for sure in the future and even though the seals, trumpets and bowl are listed we don't know and cannot be sure if they all happen at once or one at a time or two at a time. My personal opinion is that the seals begin to be broken first but do the bowl/vials come into play during the opening of the seals or after, and the same applies to the trumpets.
According to my research Satan has limited access to heaven to accuse the saint of God and according to the scriptures I have just quoted you and according to the words of Christ satan was cast out of heaven before the garden which means that war in heaven has already happened.
You can choose to ignore the words of Christ but I will not.
 
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No thanks. You read them. I have given you all of the scriptural proof you need to determine that the fallen angels/Nephilim were created and not bo

A lot of folks argue that that war in heaven has not happened yet. But that fact remains that satan was already already the adversary of God. In the garden satan proved that he hated God and he hated Gods creation and there is no scriptural proof what so ever that satan was an animal, From the book of Genesis to Revelation satan is called a serpent even though he was created by God to be perfect in all of his ways.
Eze 28:15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
Take notice here how the word "created" is used and not the word "born" and the thing about the heal bruising the head is a metaphor or figure of speech to speak the emnity between the seed of God and the seed of satan.
Christ saw satan fall from heaven as lightning before He was born of a woman.

Luk 10:18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.
Notice the word "beheld" in Luke 10:18?? The word "beheld" is speaking of past tense. Which puts the fall of satan in the past and not in the furture.
Even more proof that satan has already been cast down from heaven is in the book of Job.

Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.
Job 1:7 And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.

Job 2:1 Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD.
Job 2:2 And the LORD said unto Satan, From whence comest thou? And Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.

Do you really think that God would allow an angel as evil as satan and all of his evil angels to remain in the Abode of God???
The problem your having is that you are think that the book of Revelation can be put into a chronological order but God has made that impossible for us to do. There are many events that the book of Revelation speaks of that we know are for sure in the past and many that we know are for sure in the future and even though the seals, trumpets and bowl are listed we don't know and cannot be sure if they all happen at once or one at a time or two at a time. My personal opinion is that the seals begin to be broken first but do the bowl/vials come into play during the opening of the seals or after, and the same applies to the trumpets.
According to my research Satan has limited access to heaven to accuse the saint of God and according to the scriptures I have just quoted you and according to the words of Christ satan was cast out of heaven before the garden which means that war in heaven has already happened.
You can choose to ignore the words of Christ but I will not.
It says bluntly in the first mention of him that he is an animal, a beast of the field, a serpent, a dragon. This is confirmed in the last mentions of Satan in the book of the Apocalypse, confirming he is the same serpent, again calling him a dragon, that old serpent, and giving you the two names by which he is called, which are Satan and Devil, which by translation means Enemy and Liar. When Satan fell is when all the world fell because of his three lies in the Garden which he told the woman to trick her, and using her tricked Adam.

Satan has never been an angel, but we are warned by Paul that he masquerades as one. This really just logically follows that if he has to pretend and transform to appear as an angel of light to deceive foolish people throughout history that he really isn't an angel.

None of the events of Revelation are past, for it will be impossible to miss the great earthquake that shakes all the world, or the opening of the bottomless pit, or the smiting of the sun and the moon, or the falling of the stars to the face of the earth, and other such things as happen immediately before the End. They will all happen in a single generation, the very last generation, for it is the End.

When the war in heaven happens Satan, whom is the great dragon, that old serpent, will be cast out to the earth along with the angels whom he can seduce with his lies, and they will not be allowed to go back in, hence he will be very wrathful because then he'll know that his time is short, that his old life is near an end, and that Lord Jesus will soon kill him and throw him into the lake of fire for all of eternity, praise Jesus.
 

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It says bluntly in the first mention of him that he is an animal, a beast of the field, a serpent, a dragon. This is confirmed in the last mentions of Satan in the book of the Apocalypse, confirming he is the same serpent, again calling him a dragon, that old serpent, and giving you the two names by which he is called, which are Satan and Devil, which by translation means Enemy and Liar. When Satan fell is when all the world fell because of his three lies in the Garden which he told the woman to trick her, and using her tricked Adam.

Satan has never been an angel, but we are warned by Paul that he masquerades as one. This really just logically follows that if he has to pretend and transform to appear as an angel of light to deceive foolish people throughout history that he really isn't an angel.

None of the events of Revelation are past, for it will be impossible to miss the great earthquake that shakes all the world, or the opening of the bottomless pit, or the smiting of the sun and the moon, or the falling of the stars to the face of the earth, and other such things as happen immediately before the End. They will all happen in a single generation, the very last generation, for it is the End.

When the war in heaven happens Satan, whom is the great dragon, that old serpent, will be cast out to the earth along with the angels whom he can seduce with his lies, and they will not be allowed to go back in, hence he will be very wrathful because then he'll know that his time is short, that his old life is near an end, and that Lord Jesus will soon kill him and throw him into the lake of fire for all of eternity, praise Jesus.
Satan is a angel messenger Just as believers as son of God.

Satan a messenger( angel) of lies is the very essence of lies that apposes the truth of God . He has no body DNA . He was not created from the clay of the field as a beast as was mankind or the serpent . He simply influences men by sending lying illusion into their minds. Like . . ."Did God really say" questioning the authority of the Spirit of Christ.

Satan like God who also is without DNA cannot be found by looking to what the eye see. He has no flesh and blood. His goal to deceive mankind .

His motive of operation is shown in Colossians 2. That lying messenger the turn truth upside down just loves to give people vision of self pride and have them believe it was their idea that was from in the fleshly minds..

Some people enjoy acting as if they are humble and love to worship angels. They always talk about the visions they have seen. Don’t listen to them when they say you are wrong because you don’t do these things. It is so foolish for them to feel such pride, because it is all based on their own human ideas. Colossians 2.
 
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Satan is a angel messenger Just as believers as son of God.

Satan a messenger( angel) of lies is the very essence of lies that apposes the truth of God . He has no body DNA . He was not created from the clay of the field as a beast as was mankind or the serpent . He simply influences men by sending lying illusion into their minds. Like . . ."Did God really say" questioning the authority of the Spirit of Christ.

Satan like God who also is without DNA cannot be found by looking to what the eye see. He has no flesh and blood. His goal to deceive mankind .

His motive of operation is shown in Colossians 2. That lying messenger the turn truth upside down just loves to give people vision of self pride and have them believe it was their idea that was from in the fleshly minds..

Some people enjoy acting as if they are humble and love to worship angels. They always talk about the visions they have seen. Don’t listen to them when they say you are wrong because you don’t do these things. It is so foolish for them to feel such pride, because it is all based on their own human ideas. Colossians 2.
No Satan is not an angel. The Bible describes him as an animal; a beast of the field, a serpent, a dragon.

Satan is not like God in any sort of way. He is a lowly and pathetic beast.

Indeed though he is a liar and the father of lies, for when he fell is in the Garden and he fell because he told the Three Lies which are still in his mouth like toads.
 
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I know this topic has been ruminated over and over but a thought hit me the other day and I have not heard it discussed.
If it actually was angels that procreated with the daughters of men then the offspring (Nephilim?) would be unredeemable since they were half men/half angel.
Jesus didn't die for the angels. How could they be judged as men?
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Jesus said they were men. Matthew 24:37-39
 

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No Satan is not an angel. The Bible describes him as an animal; a beast of the field, a serpent, a dragon.

Satan is not like God in any sort of way. He is a lowly and pathetic beast.

Indeed though he is a liar and the father of lies, for when he fell is in the Garden and he fell because he told the Three Lies which are still in his mouth like toads.
Satan as a messenger of lies has no literal mouth. He is like God in that he has no form .He is a lying spirit messenger (angel) that apposes the Spirt of truth

He is not described as a beast of a field. But the unseen spirit of error . That serpent which no one knows what it was prior to the fall and departing of Glory. He destroyed its ability to walk .Walking is used to represent understanding throughout the bible. .

God also used a beast of the field as a messenger to but his thoughts into the fleshly minds and not a serpent used to represent evil , but a Ass used in ceremonial laws to represent the unredeemed of mankind. . The talking donkey was the mouthpiece messenger he used to stop the madness of a false prophet, Balaam, who was under the influence of the lying messenger (angel) Satan.

We simply do not wrestle against or are we supported by corrupted flesh and blood an a abomination .

God is not served with dead hands as a will. He works in us to both will and do his good pleasure .

Satan the other messenger is a liar from the beginning the father (or one source) of all false messages that appose the will of God. There simply is no need to give him flesh and and blood. What would that solve if he was a creature ? God looks on the heart. Not of the corrupted creation.
 

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Jesus said they were men. Matthew 24:37-39
Interesting point, but this translation doesn't specify...

But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
(Mat 24:37-39)
 
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Satan as a messenger of lies has no literal mouth. He is like God in that he has no form .He is a lying spirit messenger (angel) that apposes the Spirt of truth

He is not described as a beast of a field. But the unseen spirit of error . That serpent which no one knows what it was prior to the fall and departing of Glory. He destroyed its ability to walk .Walking is used to represent understanding throughout the bible. .

God also used a beast of the field as a messenger to but his thoughts into the fleshly minds and not a serpent used to represent evil , but a Ass used in ceremonial laws to represent the unredeemed of mankind. . The talking donkey was the mouthpiece messenger he used to stop the madness of a false prophet, Balaam, who was under the influence of the lying messenger (angel) Satan.

We simply do not wrestle against or are we supported by corrupted flesh and blood an a abomination .

God is not served with dead hands as a will. He works in us to both will and do his good pleasure .

Satan the other messenger is a liar from the beginning the father (or one source) of all false messages that appose the will of God. There simply is no need to give him flesh and and blood. What would that solve if he was a creature ? God looks on the heart. Not of the corrupted creation.
No, Satan has a mouth, he breathes out the lies like a flood and must eat the dust forever.

He is not like God in any way at all.

He has a form, he is a serpent, even a dragon, he is an animal and this is his true form. Prior to the fall he was a serpent, he was made on the day God made the animals because that's what the Bible says he is, and that's what he always has been. The Bible makes no mystery about his origins at all, he is the father of lies indeed, he is the animal which lied to the woman in the Garden, and that is where the first lies were told and that's how everything fell, including himself. He is most unwise, like a fool he caused his own downfall and the day when he is cast out of heaven and no place is found for him there anymore he will be very wrathful because he will realize then that his life really is short. Jesus will come and slay him mightily and he'll be thrown into the lake of fire forever, praise Jesus.
 

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No, Satan has a mouth, he breathes out the lies like a flood and must eat the dust forever.

He is not like God in any way at all.

He is a serpent, even a dragon, he is an animal and this is his true form. Prior to the fall he was a serpent, he was made on the day God made the animals because that's what the Bible says he is, and that's what he always has been. The Bible makes no mystery about his origins at all, he is the father of lies indeed, he is the animal which lied to the woman in the Garden, and that is where the first lies were told and that's how everything fell, including himself. He is most unwise, like a fool he caused his own downfall and the day when he is cast out of heaven and no place is found for him there anymore he will be very wrathful because he will realize then that his life really is short. Jesus will come and slay him mightily and he'll be thrown into the lake of fire forever, praise Jesus.
How old this snake and where can we find him" can he shift change and appear as donkey or a abdominal snowman ? Is its DNA different than the other serpents? Are all serpents his children mixed with human DNA ? or only the poisonous ones?

Yes, the lying spirit a messenger that apposes the unseen faith of Christ the true messenger. The lips he spoke with (not of his own he has none ) ate dust and literally crawled having having taken away the ability to walk or understand .

Walking is used to represent understanding or having a faith of two agreeing with one. ..

Lying spirits do not eat of drink in rudiments of this world . They have no digestive system.

The power to speak is no more performed by the serpent creature anymore than the power for us to believe.. not of the creature. . . flesh and blood.

2 Corinthians 4:7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

God is not served by corrupted hands of mankind anymore than he is served by a donkey . A unclean animal used to represent in a ceremonial law as a parable ; "unbelief in mankind." A lamb must be slain to redeem or the neck of the donkeys' used to represent mankind must be broken and die. "The gospel hid in that parable". Natural man redeemed.

Numbers 22:28 And the Lord opened the mouth of the ass, and she said unto Balaam, What have I done unto thee, that thou hast smitten me these three times?

Exodus 34:20 But the firstling of an ass thou shalt redeem with a lamb: and if thou redeem him not, then shalt thou break his neck. All the firstborn of thy sons thou shalt redeem. And none shall appear before me empty.

Why promote the idea that we do wrestles against flesh and blood. Where do you find that kind of reference?