Genesis 6:1-2 Revisited. Unredeemable

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massorite So you do not believe there is no seed of satan when Cain was born? Because there is no scriptural support I presented
It was by the usurped incorruptible seed of God stolen from the deceiver ..that moved in Cain to do the will of the father of lies in order to perform the first murder. Making Abel the first martyr . Satan as the father of lies is a murderer from the beginning . The first of the serial killing .
 
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Maybe it refers only to the fallen angels who did not experience a full life experience of humanity, while the Nephilim goes to physical birth and living with humanity. Do all fallen angels become Nephilim?
None of them do. That idea is not a biblically teaching.

The renown Nephilim are mighty men of faith moved by the author and finisher of faith, Christ in them. David knew he would hit the bully right between the eyes.

The same kind of faith that worked in David a man of renown, or giant of faith The Holy Spirit in David aimed the little round 45 caliber stone and slew the Giant right between the eyes, fell flat on his Nephilim face . Goliath brought the wrong kind of weapon of warfare ' Like taking a sword to a sling shot match .

Different sources of faith . No wrestling against flesh and blood. The Spirit of Christ slew that giant in us.

The word renown is used 11 times in the King James and is never used to support the idea of fallen angels. Always in respect to a blessing revealed by the unseen hand of God .
 

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Maybe it refers only to the fallen angels who did not experience a full life experience of humanity, while the Nephilim goes to physical birth and living with humanity. Do all fallen angels become Nephilim?
There is no salvation for the fallen angels...there is a place reserved for them sir because they abandoned their original state and home...
Does it matter what they became after they had fallen?

They were cast out...there was nothing that they could do but fall...and salvation will not be extended to them...
 

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miknik5 Can I ask you a favor? Pls, specify which my statement is/are I will provide scripture...
Please refer back to my post #149 I specifically highlighted what I was referring to
 

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If other sheep refers to gentiles, why Jesus tells His disciples to avoid gentiles in Matthew 10:5-6. Is there any record in the Bible that Jesus when to the place of gentiles preaching exclusively there? As what Jesus said in the book of John he will personally come to other sheep.
Yes. John 4 Please pay attention what JESUS says to HIS disciples after HE talks to the woman at the well...specifically about HIS WORK and....THE FIELD....
 

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miknik5 in verse 19 tells us that Jesus ALSO preached to the spirits in prison, who are those in spirits in prisons? The answer can be read in verse 20. Now the question, are the mentioned disobedient people are already dead in spirits in prison? If the answer is Yes, so we cannot come to fully deny that the dead mentioned in 1 Peter 4:6 is an actual physical death while assuming it refers to gentiles. If the answer is No, there is something wrong with your logic.
Are gentiles alive?
 

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When CHRIST said, let the dead bury the dead...what was HE referring to?

Those who were physically ¨alive¨ but still called ¨dead¨ and those who were physically dead.
 
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There is no salvation for the fallen angels...there is a place reserved for them sir because they abandoned their original state and home...
Does it matter what they became after they had fallen?

They were cast out...there was nothing that they could do but fall...and salvation will not be extended to them...
I want an answer from you, do all fallen angels become Nyphilim?
 
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Yes. John 4 Please pay attention what JESUS says to HIS disciples after HE talks to the woman at the well...specifically about HIS WORK and....THE FIELD....
So what do mean by Christ other sheep which are not in this fold that He may visits is only one woman and not a multitude of gentiles?
 

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I want an answer from you, do all fallen angels become Nyphilim?
Fallen angels are not nephilim. Nephilim are the progeny of fallen angels and human women.
 
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Fallen angels are not nephilim. Nephilim are the progeny of fallen angels and human women.
So the first original fallen angel that comes on earth possessed humans that cause the reproduction of Nephilim? Is that what do you mean?
 
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PennEd are all Nyphilim is automatically no redemption? Or still subject for redemption? Since we know the all fallen angels are already subject to condemnation
 

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massorite So you do not believe there is no seed of satan when Cain was born? Because there is no scriptural support I presented
No your not understanding me argument here or you have lost track of this discussion got started in the first place Cain was the offspring of satan but the seed of satan went into Eve first. Your saying that the Nephilim were "the off spring of Cain" see below.
Just to share my ideas..... These Nephilim were the offspring of Cain, they were the "serpent seed" but still subject to be redeemed because they became humans or they got the chance to become humans. They were the 'spirit in prisons" visited by Christ during 3 days, and the Gospel was ALSO preached to them(see 1 Peter 4:6 and 1 Peter 3:18–20) . Of course, if the Gospel being preached it's attached salvation.

And I have been telling you all along that you are wrong, That the Nephilim were not the offspring of Cain and I have provided scripture to prove your wrong since this discussion got started. But you keep wanting to talk about the "serpents seed" that you believe was inside of Cain. I am still telling you that the Nephilim were not BORN AT ALL. The Nephilim were fallen angels, not the offspring of Cain and not born of a woman. The very verses you quoted tell you that and you still don't see it.

1Pe 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
1Pe 3:19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
1Pe 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
The Nephilim were fallen angels who were WHAT??? "Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing,"
The spirits in prison are WHAT??? Fallen angels by your own words. Also those fallen angels have never been and are not now "subject to be redeemed" Why???. Because there is no redemption for any fallen angel and there is no scripture that says so.

You have been wrong about this on more then one level.
 
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No your not understanding me argument here or you have lost track of this discussion got started in the first place Cain was the offspring of satan but the seed of satan went into Eve first. Your saying that the Nephilim were "the off spring of Cain" see below.
Just to share my ideas..... These Nephilim were the offspring of Cain, they were the "serpent seed" but still subject to be redeemed because they became humans or they got the chance to become humans. They were the 'spirit in prisons" visited by Christ during 3 days, and the Gospel was ALSO preached to them(see 1 Peter 4:6 and 1 Peter 3:18–20) . Of course, if the Gospel being preached it's attached salvation.

And I have been telling you all along that you are wrong, That the Nephilim were not the offspring of Cain and I have provided scripture to prove your wrong since this discussion got started. But you keep wanting to talk about the "serpents seed" that you believe was inside of Cain. I am still telling you that the Nephilim were not BORN AT ALL. The Nephilim were fallen angels, not the offspring of Cain and not born of a woman. The very verses you quoted tell you that and you still don't see it.


Alright, I see that you straightly believe Nephilim are all fallen angels not by birth and not also possessing the body of earthlings. Did you really mean that the Nephilims provide their human body on their own? Did they have reproduction from the woman they intercourse?

To tell you frankly, I can’t get your statement automatically because for me it is not straightforward, and flowery.


1Pe 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
1Pe 3:19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
1Pe 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
The Nephilim were fallen angels who were WHAT??? "Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing,"
The spirits in prison are WHAT??? Fallen angels by your own words. Also those fallen angels have never been and are not now "subject to be redeemed" Why???. Because there is no redemption for any fallen angel and there is no scripture that says so.

You have been wrong about this on more then one level.
Read my post #109, #117, #119 and #131, these are related to your comments.
 

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So what do mean by Christ other sheep which are not in this fold that He may visits is only one woman and not a multitude of gentiles?
The woman was BOTH....but she clung to Jacobś well as her lifeline to GOD because her older Jewish brothers weren´t feeding her. And her older jewish brothers, who witnessed THE LORDŚ WORK of offering to her LIVING WATER, were very confused...which is why CHRIST said to them...I have work you know nothing of...and that they should open their eyes and look at the field which was white for the harvest.

That woman got the right drink sir...and she went, as the first evangelist, to the townspeople who asked HIM PERSONALLY to stay with them...

They townspeople initially heard her word...but afterwards, what did they say to her
 

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His OTHER SHEEP are those who were not being fed by their older brothers...in fact, as it is written, HE is doing all things for HIS NAMESAKE because of the very truth that HIS NAME was blasphemed amongst the gentiles...

The JEWS did not accept their ¨gentile brother/sister¨
 

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By the way, the fallen angels are not included in that SHEEPFOLD and never will be