Genesis 6:1-2 Revisited. Unredeemable

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JohnRH

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I know this topic has been ruminated over and over but a thought hit me the other day and I have not heard it discussed.
If it actually was angels that procreated with the daughters of men then the offspring (Nephilim?) would be unredeemable since they were half men/half angel.
Jesus didn't die for the angels. How could they be judged as men?
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The sons of God were human, not angels.
 

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The sons of God were human, not angels.
Ok, but most the questions including the one in the OP were directed towards those who believe that the sons of God were angels.
 

PennEd

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The sons of God were human, not angels.
You have zero Scriptural evidence to support this claim.

There is however, a good deal of Biblical evidence to support the sons of God being angels. It's really that simple.
 

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I know this topic has been ruminated over and over but a thought hit me the other day and I have not heard it discussed.
If it actually was angels that procreated with the daughters of men then the offspring (Nephilim?) would be unredeemable since they were half men/half angel.
Jesus didn't die for the angels. How could they be judged as men?
Comments?
Perhaps because they were part man they were counted the same? (I’m just speculating- no Biblical evidence to prove this).
 
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You have zero Scriptural evidence to support this claim.

There is however, a good deal of Biblical evidence to support the sons of God being angels. It's really that simple.
Two possibilities of daughter of corrupted mankind, or born of God

There is Biblical evidence to support the sons of God being messengers. The apostle Jesus as a Son of God was a messenger sent with words from the father. Study the word renown and how it is used 11 times .

1 John 3:1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not. Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

Our citizenship is not of here. There is nothing in the Job account to exclude they were believers seeking the daily bread. And the spirit of lies was with them.(redeemed mankind ) just like he was with peter when Peter having the words of the father of lies on his lips rebuked the the Lord of glory. He fell from deceiving all the nations when the veil was rent. that they must become a Jew and get under the letter of the law Death . which without he had no power.

The letter of the law death will be tossed in the judgement fire of God along with the "sufferings of hell" (the wage of sin) . Death will not rise again and corrupt a entire creation . No more borrowed time is need.

Job 1: 6-7 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, (not seen) and Satan (the spirit of lies) came also among them. And the Lord said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the Lord, and said, From going to and from in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.
 

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... The fact that everybody likes to ignore is that elohim literally means “extraterrestrial”. That’s what it means “heavenly being”, a being from the heavens. I get that Hollywood has put some thoughts in our heads about extraterrestrials but they have been written about since recorded history in every culture. Often they are depicted as humanoid and many tales about impregnating women, not just then, but now also. Just about every “abductee” has reported there are genetic experiments going on such as hybrids. I can’t validate them, but because it is also written word for word in God’s word, I can’t dismiss it either. That’s what it says.
You might find this helpful:


Angels (heavenly hosts) cannot impregnant women. Scriptural impossibility. If you would like to see that evidence, let me know.
 

WithinReason

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You have zero Scriptural evidence to support this claim.
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Consider this evidence against your position please:

Pro_18:13 He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him.​

You might say you have heard others, but I ask you to hear me.

The very “sons of God” who rule the unfallen worlds, as Adam [Luke 3:38 KJB], the first [1 Corinthians 15:45,46,47 KJB], on earth had [Genesis 1:26,28; Psalms 8:5 KJB] before his fall, and the angelic “morning stars”:​
Job 1:6 KJB - Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.​
Job 2:1 KJB - Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD.​
Job 38:4 KJB - Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding​
Job 38:5 KJB - Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?​
Job 38:6 KJB - Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;​
Job 38:7 KJB - When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?​

Side note, none of these Job texts, in regards the “sons of God”, are dealing with the Genesis 6-9 KJB account and are not referring to created heavenly beings. Job 1:6, 2:1 KJB deals with the timeframe in a period well after the flood, and Job 38:4-7 KJB deals with the timeframe long before the flood, when the earth was created. The only texts in Job which are dealing directly with the timeframe of the flood, are Job 22:15,16,17, 26:5 KJB, and please notice it speaks of “men”.​
For more on who the “sons of God” are in Genesis 6:2,4 KJB, please see Luke 3:38; Genesis 4:26 KJB, etc., and for the daughters of men, see Genesis 4:16-24 KJB.​
See also the following for “sons”, “children”, “father” of the good, etc:​
Genesis 6:2,4; Deuteronomy 14:1; 2 Samuel 7:14; Isaiah 8:18, 9:6, 63:16, 64:8; Hosea 1:10; Matthew 5:9,45 6:9; Luke 3:38, 6:35,36, 11:2, 20:26; John 1:12, 11:52, 12:36; Romans 1:7, 8:14,16,17,19,21, 9:8, 9:26 [citing Hosea 1:10 KJB]; 1 Corinthians 1:3; 2 Corinthians 1:2, 6:18; Galatians 1:4, 3:26, 4:6,7; Ephesians 5:1; Philippians 1:2, 2:15, 4:20; Colossians 1:2; 1 Thessalonians 1:1, 3:11,13; 2 Thessalonians 1:1,2, 2:16; Titus 1:4; Philemon 1:3; Hebrews 2:10,13 [citing Isaiah 8:18 KJB], 12:7,9; 1 Peter 1:3; 1 John 1:3, 3:1,2, 5:2.​

See also the following for the “sons”, “children”, “father” of the evil, etc. (all things of the spiritual, not physical):​
Genesis 3:15; Matthew 13:38; John 8:42,44; Acts 13:10; Romans 6:16, 9:8; Ephesians 2:2, 5:6; Colossians 3:6; Hebrews 12:8; 1 Peter 3:19 [compare to Psalms 142:7; Isaiah 42:6,7, 61:1; Luke 4:18 KJB], 3:20; 1 John 3:8,10,12, 4:4,5,6,7,8.​

See the following for comparison with the Genesis 6:2,4 KJB account:​
See Abraham and Isaac in Genesis 24:3,37.​
See Esau and Jacob in Genesis 26:34,35, 28:8,9 [comparing to Jacob in Genesis 27:46, 28:1,6 KJB], 36:2.​
See Isaac and Jacob in Genesis 27:46, 28:1,6 KJB.​
See Jacob and Hamor in Genesis 34:9,14 KJB.​
See Moses in Exodus 34:15,16 KJB.​
See in Deuteronomy 17:17 KJB.​
See Balaam in Numbers 25:1,2,3 KJB.​
See in Judges 3:5,6,7 KJB.​
See Samson the Judge in Judges 14:1,2,3 KJB.​
See the Chronicles in 1 Chronicles 5:24,25 KJB.​
See Ezra in Ezra 9:1,2,11,12 KJB.​
See Nehemiah in Nehemiah 9:2, 10:28,29,30, 13:23,25,26,27 KJB.​
See Solomon in 1 Kings 11:1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8 KJB.​

Many “Sons of God” “looked”/“saw” [“saw the daughters of men that they [were] fair” and “took them wives of all which they chose” [Genesis 6:2 KJB]] and "beheld" [Just as did Samson, “she pleaseth me well”, or King David who went after Bathsheba, the wife of Uriah the Hittite and his friend, through covetousness had Uriah killed in action “from the roof he saw a woman washing herself; and the woman [was] very beautiful to look upon” [2 Samuel 11:2, 12:9 KJB] and Solomon who “multiplied wives” and “loved many strange women” and all Israel who took of the “daughters of the land”], and then “lusted and coveted” and so were ensnared being “Vex[ed], Beguiled, To Commit Trespass Against The LORD, Commit Fornication, Eat things sacrificed unto Idols, worshipped idols” [Numbers 25:18, 31:16; Revelation 2:14 KJB]:​
Jude 1:11 KJB - Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core.​

See also the words of Jesus, as it was in the days of Noah and Lot:​
Job 21:7,14, 22:15,16,17; Matthew 24:37,38; Luke 17:26,27; 2 Peter 2:5, 3:3,6.​

In the greater overall picture there is a like message and call for the “people of God” also today to “come out” of “Spiritual Babylon” [just as God had done with physical Babylon; Jeremiah 51:9; Isaiah 52:11 KJB] that “great Whore” [Revelation 17:1, 19:2 KJB]:​
See 2 Corinthians 6:14,15,16,17,18; Revelation 18:4 KJB.​

For “giants” of men, after the flood, see:​
Genesis 10:8,9, 14:5, 15:20; Numbers 13:32,33; Deuteronomy 2:11,20,21, 3:11,13, 9:2; Joshua 12:4, 13:12, 15:8, 17:15, 18:16; 2 Samuel 5:18,22, 21:16,18,19,20,22; 1 Chronicles 11:23, 14:9, 20:4,5,6; Isaiah 17:5, 45:14​

For “men of reknown” see:​
Numbers 1:16, 16:2, 26:9; 1 Chronicles 5:24, 12:30​
For more specific details see the Sons of God article.​
Let us next consider the term "giants" [Heb. Tr.: "Nephilim"] in Genesis 6.

If such were truly 'devil [fallen angel]-human-hybrids', as some incorrectly speculate, which according to Genesis, Job, Jesus, Peter, etc were completely destroyed in the Flood, then why are these "giants" yet found alive again after the world-wide flood? Well in imaginary scenario, not found in Scripture, they must add another event like what they imaged in Genesis 6 to have occurred again, and all the while such do not realize how much is being added to cover the deception of the devil.

For the Flood was indeed entirely global and covering all the whole earth, even rising above the "then" mountains [ Genesis 7:20] and all "flesh wherein the breath of life", "every living substance" was "destroyed" and "perished" for "Noah only remained [alive], and they that [were] with him in the ark." [Genesis 7:23].

The term "giants" is translated from the Hebrew word "nĕphiyl" "נָפִיל" which means "giants, attack, fall away, rebels, apostates" and comes from the Hebrew root word "naphal" "נָפַל" which means "to fall, lie down, lay prostrate, cast down, fall away to, go away to, desert, attack, knock out, overthrow, cause to drop" [Strong's Concordance] and also to "supplant, become ruined, to encamp" [Gesenius's Lexicon]. It literally means apostate.

There were "giants" in those days before the flood and even after the flood, and in each instance the words used in description are always referring to the race of man-kind, and never in reference to the angelic hosts in all instances.

This may help you:

"Some think 'Angels' can procreate. The Scripture [KJB] declares, 'Not so.'"

https://www.baptistboard.com/thread...eate-the-scripture-kjb-declares-not-so.93713/
 
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You might find this helpful:


Angels (heavenly hosts) cannot impregnant women. Scriptural impossibility. If you would like to see that evidence, let me know.
Sure, I’d love to see your proof.
 

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Consider this evidence against your position please:

Pro_18:13 He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him.​

You might say you have heard others, but I ask you to hear me.

The very “sons of God” who rule the unfallen worlds, as Adam [Luke 3:38 KJB], the first [1 Corinthians 15:45,46,47 KJB], on earth had [Genesis 1:26,28; Psalms 8:5 KJB] before his fall, and the angelic “morning stars”:​
Job 1:6 KJB - Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.​
Job 2:1 KJB - Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD.​
Job 38:4 KJB - Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding​
Job 38:5 KJB - Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?​
Job 38:6 KJB - Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;​
Job 38:7 KJB - When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?​

Side note, none of these Job texts, in regards the “sons of God”, are dealing with the Genesis 6-9 KJB account and are not referring to created heavenly beings. Job 1:6, 2:1 KJB deals with the timeframe in a period well after the flood, and Job 38:4-7 KJB deals with the timeframe long before the flood, when the earth was created. The only texts in Job which are dealing directly with the timeframe of the flood, are Job 22:15,16,17, 26:5 KJB, and please notice it speaks of “men”.​
For more on who the “sons of God” are in Genesis 6:2,4 KJB, please see Luke 3:38; Genesis 4:26 KJB, etc., and for the daughters of men, see Genesis 4:16-24 KJB.​
See also the following for “sons”, “children”, “father” of the good, etc:​
Genesis 6:2,4; Deuteronomy 14:1; 2 Samuel 7:14; Isaiah 8:18, 9:6, 63:16, 64:8; Hosea 1:10; Matthew 5:9,45 6:9; Luke 3:38, 6:35,36, 11:2, 20:26; John 1:12, 11:52, 12:36; Romans 1:7, 8:14,16,17,19,21, 9:8, 9:26 [citing Hosea 1:10 KJB]; 1 Corinthians 1:3; 2 Corinthians 1:2, 6:18; Galatians 1:4, 3:26, 4:6,7; Ephesians 5:1; Philippians 1:2, 2:15, 4:20; Colossians 1:2; 1 Thessalonians 1:1, 3:11,13; 2 Thessalonians 1:1,2, 2:16; Titus 1:4; Philemon 1:3; Hebrews 2:10,13 [citing Isaiah 8:18 KJB], 12:7,9; 1 Peter 1:3; 1 John 1:3, 3:1,2, 5:2.​

See also the following for the “sons”, “children”, “father” of the evil, etc. (all things of the spiritual, not physical):​
Genesis 3:15; Matthew 13:38; John 8:42,44; Acts 13:10; Romans 6:16, 9:8; Ephesians 2:2, 5:6; Colossians 3:6; Hebrews 12:8; 1 Peter 3:19 [compare to Psalms 142:7; Isaiah 42:6,7, 61:1; Luke 4:18 KJB], 3:20; 1 John 3:8,10,12, 4:4,5,6,7,8.​

See the following for comparison with the Genesis 6:2,4 KJB account:​
See Abraham and Isaac in Genesis 24:3,37.​
See Esau and Jacob in Genesis 26:34,35, 28:8,9 [comparing to Jacob in Genesis 27:46, 28:1,6 KJB], 36:2.​
See Isaac and Jacob in Genesis 27:46, 28:1,6 KJB.​
See Jacob and Hamor in Genesis 34:9,14 KJB.​
See Moses in Exodus 34:15,16 KJB.​
See in Deuteronomy 17:17 KJB.​
See Balaam in Numbers 25:1,2,3 KJB.​
See in Judges 3:5,6,7 KJB.​
See Samson the Judge in Judges 14:1,2,3 KJB.​
See the Chronicles in 1 Chronicles 5:24,25 KJB.​
See Ezra in Ezra 9:1,2,11,12 KJB.​
See Nehemiah in Nehemiah 9:2, 10:28,29,30, 13:23,25,26,27 KJB.​
See Solomon in 1 Kings 11:1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8 KJB.​

Many “Sons of God” “looked”/“saw” [“saw the daughters of men that they [were] fair” and “took them wives of all which they chose” [Genesis 6:2 KJB]] and "beheld" [Just as did Samson, “she pleaseth me well”, or King David who went after Bathsheba, the wife of Uriah the Hittite and his friend, through covetousness had Uriah killed in action “from the roof he saw a woman washing herself; and the woman [was] very beautiful to look upon” [2 Samuel 11:2, 12:9 KJB] and Solomon who “multiplied wives” and “loved many strange women” and all Israel who took of the “daughters of the land”], and then “lusted and coveted” and so were ensnared being “Vex[ed], Beguiled, To Commit Trespass Against The LORD, Commit Fornication, Eat things sacrificed unto Idols, worshipped idols” [Numbers 25:18, 31:16; Revelation 2:14 KJB]:​
Jude 1:11 KJB - Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core.​

See also the words of Jesus, as it was in the days of Noah and Lot:​
Job 21:7,14, 22:15,16,17; Matthew 24:37,38; Luke 17:26,27; 2 Peter 2:5, 3:3,6.​

In the greater overall picture there is a like message and call for the “people of God” also today to “come out” of “Spiritual Babylon” [just as God had done with physical Babylon; Jeremiah 51:9; Isaiah 52:11 KJB] that “great Whore” [Revelation 17:1, 19:2 KJB]:​
See 2 Corinthians 6:14,15,16,17,18; Revelation 18:4 KJB.​

For “giants” of men, after the flood, see:​
Genesis 10:8,9, 14:5, 15:20; Numbers 13:32,33; Deuteronomy 2:11,20,21, 3:11,13, 9:2; Joshua 12:4, 13:12, 15:8, 17:15, 18:16; 2 Samuel 5:18,22, 21:16,18,19,20,22; 1 Chronicles 11:23, 14:9, 20:4,5,6; Isaiah 17:5, 45:14​

For “men of reknown” see:​
Numbers 1:16, 16:2, 26:9; 1 Chronicles 5:24, 12:30​
For more specific details see the Sons of God article.​
Let us next consider the term "giants" [Heb. Tr.: "Nephilim"] in Genesis 6.

If such were truly 'devil [fallen angel]-human-hybrids', as some incorrectly speculate, which according to Genesis, Job, Jesus, Peter, etc were completely destroyed in the Flood, then why are these "giants" yet found alive again after the world-wide flood? Well in imaginary scenario, not found in Scripture, they must add another event like what they imaged in Genesis 6 to have occurred again, and all the while such do not realize how much is being added to cover the deception of the devil.

For the Flood was indeed entirely global and covering all the whole earth, even rising above the "then" mountains [ Genesis 7:20] and all "flesh wherein the breath of life", "every living substance" was "destroyed" and "perished" for "Noah only remained [alive], and they that [were] with him in the ark." [Genesis 7:23].

The term "giants" is translated from the Hebrew word "nĕphiyl" "נָפִיל" which means "giants, attack, fall away, rebels, apostates" and comes from the Hebrew root word "naphal" "נָפַל" which means "to fall, lie down, lay prostrate, cast down, fall away to, go away to, desert, attack, knock out, overthrow, cause to drop" [Strong's Concordance] and also to "supplant, become ruined, to encamp" [Gesenius's Lexicon]. It literally means apostate.

There were "giants" in those days before the flood and even after the flood, and in each instance the words used in description are always referring to the race of man-kind, and never in reference to the angelic hosts in all instances.

This may help you:

"Some think 'Angels' can procreate. The Scripture [KJB] declares, 'Not so.'"

https://www.baptistboard.com/thread...eate-the-scripture-kjb-declares-not-so.93713/
Please read posts 40 and 41

This passage destroys your lengthy post:

Genesis 5:3 NKJV
And Adam lived one hundred and thirty years, and begot a son in his own likeness, after his image, and named him Seth.

EVERYONE born after Adam’s fall was born after his likeness and image.
No one was a “son of God” until Jesus died and was resurrected, and they became born again.
 

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Please read posts 40 and 41

This passage destroys your lengthy post:

Genesis 5:3 NKJV
And Adam lived one hundred and thirty years, and begot a son in his own likeness, after his image, and named him Seth.

EVERYONE born after Adam’s fall was born after his likeness and image.
No one was a “son of God” until Jesus died and was resurrected, and they became born again.
You do not know your Bible:

Gen 4:26 And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the LORD.​
Act_2:21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.​
Rom_10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.​

Again, read the references:

Deuteronomy 14:1; 2 Samuel 7:14; Isaiah 8:18, 9:6, 63:16, 64:8; Hosea 1:10​

Yes, those born of Adam's flesh are in his likeness and image. True (John 3:6). Yet, read Genesis 4:26. It shows men (mankind) being born again by calling upon the name of the LORD and thus were in His likeness and image. They believed in the promise of Genesis 3:15, even as Eve had, as she had thought Cain was the promised Messiah, see Genesis 4:1 (definite article in Hebrew, 'the man', as in the man promised of God, so she thought). Genesis 6 then continues from Genesis 4, as Genesis 6 did not arise in a vacuum, as already stated.

For more on who the “sons of God” are in Genesis 6:2,4 KJB, please see Luke 3:38; Genesis 4:26 KJB, etc., and for the daughters of men, see Genesis 4:16-24 KJB.
 
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Please read posts 40 and 41

This passage destroys your lengthy post:

Genesis 5:3 NKJV
And Adam lived one hundred and thirty years, and begot a son in his own likeness, after his image, and named him Seth.

EVERYONE born after Adam’s fall was born after his likeness and image.
No one was a “son of God” until Jesus died and was resurrected, and they became born again.

Abel as the first prophet apostle and first martyr was a son of God.

1 John 3:1Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

You simply have no evidence .Just like the tongues as a sign gift. Just a whole of wondering. (No faith needed) What are the names of these what you call hybrids .What tribe?
 

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You do not know your Bible:

Gen 4:26 And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the LORD.​
Act_2:21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.​
Rom_10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.​

Again, read the references:

Deuteronomy 14:1; 2 Samuel 7:14; Isaiah 8:18, 9:6, 63:16, 64:8; Hosea 1:10​

Yes, those born of Adam's flesh are in his likeness and image. True (John 3:6). Yet, read Genesis 4:26. It shows men (mankind) being born again by calling upon the name of the LORD and thus were in His likeness and image. They believed in the promise of Genesis 3:15, even as Eve had, as she had thought Cain was the promised Messiah, see Genesis 4:1 (definite article in Hebrew, 'the man', as in the man promised of God, so she thought). Genesis 6 then continues from Genesis 4, as Genesis 6 did not arise in a vacuum, as already stated.

For more on who the “sons of God” are in Genesis 6:2,4 KJB, please see Luke 3:38; Genesis 4:26 KJB, etc., and for the daughters of men, see Genesis 4:16-24 KJB.
Wow!! You got some messed up theology.
No one was born again until Jesus Christ paid for our sin by dying in our place and was resurrected.

Seth was born in Adam’s physical and spiritual likeness and condition. He needed Jesus just as much as you or I.

I see you are little immature in your understanding of Scripture. This might be too far over your head. You should probably just read and learn.
 

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Not a title a description of what the eyes see (the temporal). The spirit of error has no mother or father. The spirit of error is not a man .He used flesh and blood the things seen to draw men away from the works of Christ faith that works in us to both will and perform his good pleasure..

The messengers in Hebrew are believers as sons of God. Lying spirits have no form. Its why Satan the spirit of error put his words on the mouth of a flesh and blood creature. The most beautiful, wonderful before the fall and God removed his ability to walk .

The same with Genesis 6 . Men of renown like David were procreating with non believer daughter of men jeopardizing the spiritual seed, Christ.

King Saul lost the the responsibly of a represent Christ not seen .He went after the daughters of men as did Samson

In Mathew 16 . The unseen Lord gave words to the Son of man Jesus the prophet apostles words to rebuke the father of lies. who has no form, The same spirit of error (antichrist) that worked in Peter one of the many there at that time period used as antichrists (many) false teacher. Satan forbidding the lord from carrying out the gospel work

In a parable in the old testament .God put his words on the lips of a Ass . It as a work of His faith worked to stop the madness of that false prophet, false apostle .

Spirits of error. We do not wrestles against corrupted flesh and blood and neither does it have the authority to rebuke the father of lies.

To much Hollywood drama influence. We walk by faith the unseen eternal
You need to get yourself an education in Biblical studies because even God appeared to Abraham in the form of three men. The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit.
Gen 18:1 And the LORD appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day;
Gen 18:2 And he lift up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men stood by him: and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground,

Gen 18:22 And the men turned their faces from thence, and went toward Sodom: but Abraham stood yet before the LORD.
In Verses 5, 10, 12, of Chapter 19 the angels are called men because the were angels who APPEARED AS MEN to Lot and the men who wanted to rape them the two men/ angels
Gen 19:5 And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them.

Gen 19:10 But the men put forth their hand, and pulled Lot into the house to them, and shut to the door.
Gen 19:11 And they smote the men that were at the door of the house with blindness, both small and great: so that they wearied themselves to find the door.
Gen 19:12 And the men said unto Lot, Hast thou here any besides? son in law, and thy sons, and thy daughters, and whatsoever thou hast in the city, bring them out of this place:
Gen 19:13 For we will destroy this place, because the cry of them is waxen great before the face of the LORD; and the LORD hath sent us to destroy it.

You Garee are completely ignorant about how angels have appeared to men as men.
Jos 5:13 And it came to pass, when Joshua was by Jericho, that he lifted up his eyes and looked, and, behold, there stood a man over against him with his sword drawn in his hand: and Joshua went unto him, and said unto him, Art thou for us, or for our adversaries?
Jos 5:14 And he said, Nay; but as captain of the host of the LORD am I now come. And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship, and said unto him, What saith my lord unto his servant?
Jdg 13:3 And the angel of the LORD appeared unto the woman, and said unto her, Behold now, thou art barren, and bearest not: but thou shalt conceive, and bear a son.
Jdg 13:6 Then the woman came and told her husband, saying, A man of God came unto me, and his countenance was like the countenance of an angel of God, very terrible: but I asked him not whence he was, neither told he me his name:
You should have known better then to correct me and think that I couldn,t back up what I say with Scripture and I can come up with many more scriptures that prove that Angels appear to men as men. Even Christ appeared to men as a man. You have way to much pride.
 

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Wow!! You got some messed up theology.
No one was born again until Jesus Christ paid for our sin by dying in our place and was resurrected.
Now that is messed up theology.

See King Saul as example in OT (made into a new man, given another heart, the Holy Ghost being with Him), before he grieved away the Holy Ghost and became lost. So much for the false theology of OSAS.
 

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I'm not sure I am following you. Are you saying there are no angels that are disembodied spirits but are only enfleshed messengers?
Thanks crossnote, for noticing. I am saying that angels in the Bible are people whom God has saved (the saints, the true believers, God's people) whom God has quickened by His Spirit with His message and his ministry. However, the term also includes Jesus himself. Can you show me a scripture that says otherwise?
 
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You need to get yourself an education in Biblical studies because even God appeared to Abraham in the form of three men. The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit.
Gen 18:1 And the LORD appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day;
Gen 18:2 And he lift up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men stood by him: and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground,

Gen 18:22 And the men turned their faces from thence, and went toward Sodom: but Abraham stood yet before the LORD.
In Verses 5, 10, 12, of Chapter 19 the angels are called men because the were angels who APPEARED AS MEN to Lot and the men who wanted to rape them the two men/ angels
Gen 19:5 And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them.

Gen 19:10 But the men put forth their hand, and pulled Lot into the house to them, and shut to the door.
Gen 19:11 And they smote the men that were at the door of the house with blindness, both small and great: so that they wearied themselves to find the door.
Gen 19:12 And the men said unto Lot, Hast thou here any besides? son in law, and thy sons, and thy daughters, and whatsoever thou hast in the city, bring them out of this place:
Gen 19:13 For we will destroy this place, because the cry of them is waxen great before the face of the LORD; and the LORD hath sent us to destroy it.

You Garee are completely ignorant about how angels have appeared to men as men.
Jos 5:13 And it came to pass, when Joshua was by Jericho, that he lifted up his eyes and looked, and, behold, there stood a man over against him with his sword drawn in his hand: and Joshua went unto him, and said unto him, Art thou for us, or for our adversaries?
Jos 5:14 And he said, Nay; but as captain of the host of the LORD am I now come. And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship, and said unto him, What saith my lord unto his servant?
Jdg 13:3 And the angel of the LORD appeared unto the woman, and said unto her, Behold now, thou art barren, and bearest not: but thou shalt conceive, and bear a son.
Jdg 13:6 Then the woman came and told her husband, saying, A man of God came unto me, and his countenance was like the countenance of an angel of God, very terrible: but I asked him not whence he was, neither told he me his name:
You should have known better then to correct me and think that I couldn,t back up what I say with Scripture and I can come up with many more scriptures that prove that Angels appear to men as men. Even Christ appeared to men as a man. You have way to much pride.
No worshiping the things seen the temporal .we walk by faith requiring the right prescription in order to rightly divide.( 2 Corinthian 4:18 ) Not Hollywood

There is not one reason as evidence that supports Hollywood and its works of creating wonderments, illusions .We walk by faith the unseen eternal .

The word Angel simply means "messenger" with no other meaning added.. Apostles are messengers .Jesus is a messengers sent by God .Christians as sons of God are messengers sent by God .

Angel does not mean you have entered the twilight Zone . And its time to start wondering and imagining rather than having faith and believing something called evidence,

Lol you have way to much of a imagination. Your have no evidence to these extraterrestrial hybrids.

.Just one naming of the hybrid off spring would do. . Chapter and verse .

False messengers appear as men .They are called false -prophets or false apostles.

The three men are not t
he Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. The Lord has no form to begin with ,God is not a man .He gives visions .Just as the opposing spirit of lies ..

Three men. God uses three to denote the end of the matter .Homosexuals' desiring to have sex with men . Nothing about them desiring sex with a woman. We already know as Christian we do not wrestles against flesh and blood


Has something changed and we better be sure we are not entertaining a angel DNA testing is not required.

Don’t Follow Rules That People Make So don’t let anyone make rules for you about eating and drinking or about Jewish customs (festivals, New Moon celebrations, or Sabbath days). In the past these things were like a shadow that showed what was coming. But the new things that were coming are found in Christ. Some people enjoy acting as if they are humble and love to worship angels.[ They always talk about the visions they have seen. "Don’t listen to them" when they say you are wrong because you don’t do these things. It is so foolish for them to feel such pride, because it is all based on "their own human ideas". They don’t keep themselves under the control of the head. Christ is the head, and the whole body depends on him. Because of Christ all the parts of the body care for each other and help each other. So the body is made stronger and held together as God causes it to grow. Colossian 2:16=18

Our high priest apostle and prophet was sent with words of the Lord .And not of his own mind and will (powerless). As it is written and again three times. denoting the end of the mater .Again as it is written denoting the one source of Christian faith . No wonders need to be added.

Mathew 4:10-11 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, (not seen) and him only shalt thou serve.

Paraphrased. Do not serve the flesh of the Son of man, anymore than that the apostle Peter when used Mathew 16 .

Get behind me not seen. Not Perter seen or Jesus seen Then the devil left him, and, behold, angels not seen came and ministered unto him.

Called words of comfort from the father. The words worked in the fleshly mind of Jesus as two walking together. words from a book .

There is not a personal angel siting on ones shoulder when studying .God is not a man and neither is their a fleshly mediator set between God not seen and corrupted man called a daysman .( Job 9 32-33)

Isaiah 29:18 And in that day shall the deaf hear the words of the book, and the eyes of the blind shall see out of obscurity, and out of darkness.
 
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Thanks crossnote, for noticing. I am saying that angels in the Bible are people whom God has saved (the saints, the true believers, God's people) whom God has quickened by His Spirit with His message and his ministry. However, the term also includes Jesus himself. Can you show me a scripture that says otherwise?
Jesus was a messenger apostle sent with the words prophecy of His father. He fits the same requirements as any apostle .God is not a man . Impossible. . blasphemy.
 

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Genesis 6:11-12 New King James Version (NKJV) 11 The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence. 12 So God looked upon the earth, and indeed it was corrupt; for ALL flesh had corrupted their way on the earth.

ALL flesh had corrupted their corrupted way on the earth. . evil. No blessing.

The unredeemed evil natural man thoughts. . continually . No God in their heart.

The "way" of the corrupted flesh.

Genesis 6: 5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

All of creation was corrupted in the garden. Thou shall surely die .the letter of the law caring out it promise.
The thoughts of mankind we constantly evil (corrupted)

The evil generation(in Adam) had no faith coming from hearing God as that which was given to Noah And not reckoned the whole corrupted family . Noah lived in a earthen body of death just as any believer. He knew where the power came from. . within. A renown man. . . by the faith of Christ that caused them to walk as one in agreement . It worked in Noah moving him to do the good will of God. The spirutl seed Christ was in jeopardy . We have the fulfillment in the new testament seen in the genealogy .

The subject matter in Genesis 6 .Sons of God, believers are do not be unevenly yoked with daughters of mankind (no faith)

Hebrews 11: 7 By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.

It does not mention whether or not the rest of the family became heirs of a righteousness not of their own self.
You need to get yourself an education in Biblical studies because even God appeared to Abraham in the form of three men. The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit.
Gen 18:1 And the LORD appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day;
Gen 18:2 And he lift up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men stood by him: and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground,

Gen 18:22 And the men turned their faces from thence, and went toward Sodom: but Abraham stood yet before the LORD.
In Verses 5, 10, 12, of Chapter 19 the angels are called men because the were angels who APPEARED AS MEN to Lot and the men who wanted to rape them the two men/ angels
Gen 19:5 And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them.

Gen 19:10 But the men put forth their hand, and pulled Lot into the house to them, and shut to the door.
Gen 19:11 And they smote the men that were at the door of the house with blindness, both small and great: so that they wearied themselves to find the door.
Gen 19:12 And the men said unto Lot, Hast thou here any besides? son in law, and thy sons, and thy daughters, and whatsoever thou hast in the city, bring them out of this place:
Gen 19:13 For we will destroy this place, because the cry of them is waxen great before the face of the LORD; and the LORD hath sent us to destroy it.

You Garee are completely ignorant about how angels have appeared to men as men.
Jos 5:13 And it came to pass, when Joshua was by Jericho, that he lifted up his eyes and looked, and, behold, there stood a man over against him with his sword drawn in his hand: and Joshua went unto him, and said unto him, Art thou for us, or for our adversaries?
Jos 5:14 And he said, Nay; but as captain of the host of the LORD am I now come. And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship, and said unto him, What saith my lord unto his servant?
Jdg 13:3 And the angel of the LORD appeared unto the woman, and said unto her, Behold now, thou art barren, and bearest not: but thou shalt conceive, and bear a son.
Jdg 13:6 Then the woman came and told her husband, saying, A man of God came unto me, and his countenance was like the countenance of an angel of God, very terrible: but I asked him not whence he was, neither told he me his name:
You should have known better then to correct me and think that I couldn,t back up what I say with Scripture and I can come up with many more scriptures that prove that Angels appear to men as men. Even Christ appeared to men as a man. You have way to much pride.
It mastters not much how many times others are informed of how our Lord has appeared to us in His three persons, albeit as men or angels, they do not understand.

They do not understand because they do not have the faith to believe what they have in front of their own eyes in text.

It should be revealed instantly by the Holy Spirit. Perhaps more kprayer is needed. The first time we are aware of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit being God, although not yet named, is when God said, "Come, let Us make man in Our own image." Is it too obvious?

All blessings in Yeshua-Jesus, amen.
 
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It mastters not much how many times others are informed of how our Lord has appeared to us in His three persons, albeit as men or angels, they do not understand.

They do not understand because they do not have the faith to believe what they have in front of their own eyes in text.

It should be revealed instantly by the Holy Spirit. Perhaps more kprayer is needed. The first time we are aware of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit being God, although not yet named, is when God said, "Come, let Us make man in Our own image." Is it too obvious?

All blessings in Yeshua-Jesus, amen.
I would agree instantly. . twinkling of the eye .Not wait and we will see, Yes or no all other becomes wondering.??/

In that way anything the is not of the faith as it is written, is sin

When giving the understanding of the greatest miracle "Born again" . .Jesus as a loving commandment and not just a good suggestion said; "marvel not" No need to wonder and marvel when a person can simply believe it as it is written .

Not after the wondering, marveling. The opening ones own fleshly mind to the unseen power of lying wonders using true signs. The sky is the limited . No faith . Its a evil generation faithless that seek to be amazed, bewildered. .they do the wondering

Believers believe, as it is written

Luke 11:29 And when the people were gathered thick together, he began to say, This is an evil generation: they seek a sign; and there shall no sign be given it, but the sign of Jonas the prophet.