Genesis 6:1-2 Revisited. Unredeemable

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Spiritually sons of the devil.. Not genetically sons of the devil.. Neither Judas nor Pharaoh where giants..

There is no excuse for loving sin.. No excuse for willfully rebelling against the Will of God..

And what opportunity did satan miss in the garden?

satan did take the opportunity to decieve Eve and sabotarge Gods creation.. Of course doing so only set up an opportunity for God to rescue / Redeem His creation and prove to all the heavenly host once and for all that God was justified in being the one and only God of all existence.. Satan probably thought by sabotarging Gods creation he would undermine Gods authority.. But He only ensured his own destruction.. God had given satan enough rope to hang himself..
We may be on the same page here .. I posted that to help prove that sons of God were men and not fallen angels and there was never any women having sex with fallen angels or that they somehow produced the giants, that if it were possible the devil may as well took Eve and made her pregnant in the garden ..
 

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We may be on the same page here .. I posted that to help prove that sons of God were men and not fallen angels and there was never any women having sex with fallen angels or that they somehow produced the giants, that if it were possible the devil may as well took Eve and made her pregnant in the garden ..
Where not on the same page.. i believe fallen angels did have relations with human woman and it was probably the main reason why God hit this world with the great flood.. To wipe out the giants..

All the angels who went down to earth and has sexual relations with woman where punished by being cast into the bottomless pit.. Satan must not have joined them in their actiuons because satan is not yet been cast into the bottomless pit.. He will be chained up and cast into the botomless pit for 1000 years when Jesus returns in the second comming..

We read in Jude about these angels who left their first estate ( heaven )

Jude 1: KJV

6 "And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day."

These angels will be released from the pit for a short time before the return of Jesus as a judgement upon humanity.. These ones will torment humans for months with a toment so bad the humans will wish they where dead..

Revelation 9: KJV
1 "And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit. {2} And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit. {3} And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power. {4} And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads. {5} And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man. {6} And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them. {7} And the shapes of the locusts were like unto horses prepared unto battle; and on their heads were as it were crowns like gold, and their faces were as the faces of men. {8} And they had hair as the hair of women, and their teeth were as the teeth of lions. {9} And they had breastplates, as it were breastplates of iron; and the sound of their wings was as the sound of chariots of many horses running to battle. {10} And they had tails like unto scorpions, and there were stings in their tails: and their power was to hurt men five months. {11} And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon."
 

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From Cain to Lamech there were no recorded fallen angel yet Lamach had taken on himself to be pretty bad by then on their own .. Cain had had a knowledge of God but his new clan had none ..
14 Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me.
15 And the LORD said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the LORD set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.
16 And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.
17 And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch.
18 And unto Enoch was born Irad: and Irad begat Mehujael: and Mehujael begat Methusael: and Methusael begat Lamech.
19 And Lamech took unto him two wives: the name of the one was Adah, and the name of the other Zillah.
20 And Adah bare Jabal: he was the father of such as dwell in tents, and of such as have cattle.
21 And his brother's name was Jubal: he was the father of all such as handle the harp and organ.
22 And Zillah, she also bare Tubalcain, an instructer of every artificer in brass and iron: and the sister of Tubalcain was Naamah.
23 And Lamech said unto his wives, Adah and Zillah, Hear my voice; ye wives of Lamech, hearken unto my speech: for I have slain a man to my wounding, and a young man to my hurt.
24 If Cain shall be avenged sevenfold, truly Lamech seventy and sevenfold.
 
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These angels will be released from the pit for a short time before the return of Jesus as a judgement upon humanity.. These ones will torment humans for months with a toment so bad the humans will wish they where dead..
How can angels as ministering spirits of "God's truth" And this exclusive truth as a law is not of their "own truth or thoughts" But those carry the word of God. .

How could words literally hurt humans? Only the tongue of God has power over life and death just by saying a word. Spirits of thought have no form . And like Satan, as a serpent needing form(DNA) to deceive mankind and destroy faith in the garden of Eden or like Satan standing behind Peter working with Peter to work out his unseen evil desires. We can give them form when we walk by sight.

But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men. Mathew 16:23

Wings of wind have no DNA.

John 3:7-9 (ERV) Don’t be surprised that I told you, ‘You must be born again.’ The wind blows wherever it wants to. You hear it, but you don’t know where it is coming from or where it is going. It is the same with everyone who is born from the Spirit.” Nicodemus asked, “How is all this possible?”

The question. How is it all possible I think you could say, By and through the it as it is written. It gives us the understanding dividing it from the doctrines of men. By and through the doctrines of God that fall from above and are bound on earth . (Deuteronomy 32)

Ephesians 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive

Deuteronomy 32 King James Version (KJV) Give ear, O ye heavens, and I will speak; and hear, O earth, the words of my mouth. My doctrine shall drop as the rain, my speech shall distil as the dew, as the small rain upon the tender herb, and as the showers upon the grass:
 
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I know this topic has been ruminated over and over but a thought hit me the other day and I have not heard it discussed.
If it actually was angels that procreated with the daughters of men then the offspring (Nephilim?) would be unredeemable since they were half men/half angel.
Jesus didn't die for the angels. How could they be judged as men?
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Just to share my ideas..... These Nephilim were the offspring of Cain, they were the "serpent seed" but still subject to be redeemed because they became humans or they got the chance to become humans. They were the 'spirit in prisons" visited by Christ during 3 days, and the Gospel was ALSO preached to them(see 1 Peter 4:6 and 1 Peter 3:18–20) . Of course, if the Gospel being preached it's attached salvation.
 

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Just to share my ideas..... These Nephilim were the offspring of Cain, they were the "serpent seed" but still subject to be redeemed because they became humans or they got the chance to become humans. They were the 'spirit in prisons" visited by Christ during 3 days, and the Gospel was ALSO preached to them(see 1 Peter 4:6 and 1 Peter 3:18–20) . Of course, if the Gospel being preached it's attached salvation.
How is it 'they became human' if they started off as the offspring of Cain? They were already human.
If you are saying they were half angel/half human, where in Scripture did they become human since Cain's line perished in the Flood?
 
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How is it 'they became human' if they started off as the offspring of Cain? They were already human.
If you are saying they were half angel/half human, where in Scripture did they become human since Cain's line perished in the Flood?
As What I portrayed the Nephilims were the offspring of Cain, what I can show you in the book of Genesis his first child is Enoch then follow the rest... so Enoch is human.
 

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As What I portrayed the Nephilims were the offspring of Cain, what I can show you in the book of Genesis his first child is Enoch then follow the rest... so Enoch is human.
Cain was human from the beginning being the offspring of Adam and Eve. So how did you interject angels?
You had said..."these Nephilim were the offspring of Cain, they were the "serpent seed" but still subject to be redeemed because they became humans or they got the chance to become humans. "

So you have too many missing links, that is, links that would point us back to Scripture.
 
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Cain was human from the beginning being the offspring of Adam and Eve. So how did you interject angels?
You had said..."these Nephilim were the offspring of Cain, they were the "serpent seed" but still subject to be redeemed because they became humans or they got the chance to become humans. "

So you have too many missing links, that is, links that would point us back to Scripture.
Talking about the links in the Scriptures, about the chance of redemption of Nephilims, they were visited by Christ in hell during 3 days of His physical death(but alive in his Spirit) they were the 'spirit in prisons" , and the Gospel was ALSO preached to them(see 1 Peter 4:6 and 1 Peter 3:18–20) . Of course, if the Gospel being preached it's attached salvation.
 

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Talking about the links in the Scriptures, about the chance of redemption of Nephilims, they were visited by Christ in hell during 3 days of His physical death(but alive in his Spirit) they were the 'spirit in prisons" , and the Gospel was ALSO preached to them(see 1 Peter 4:6 and 1 Peter 3:18–20) . Of course, if the Gospel being preached it's attached salvation.
So you are saying they were humans after all and were given a 2nd chance?
Rember Christ became man to redeem mankind and not the angels or half angels/half men.
 
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So you are saying they were humans after all and were given a 2nd chance?
Rember Christ became man to redeem mankind and not the angels or half angels/half men.
Thanks for your reply, I believed that I have presented the link you ask for. Anyway, what you understand about the "spirit in prisons"?
 

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Thanks for your reply, I believed that I have presented the link you ask for. Anyway, what you understand about the "spirit in prisons"?
There are no second chances. Jesus preached of his victory to OT believers.
Notice 1Pet 4:6..."but live according to God in the spirit."

Otherwise 1Pet 3:19-20 would contradict the author of Hebrews (Paul)...
And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
(Heb 9:27)

Otherwise it sounds like 'after this, man gets a 2nd chance'.
 
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I know this topic has been ruminated over and over but a thought hit me the other day and I have not heard it discussed.
If it actually was angels that procreated with the daughters of men then the offspring (Nephilim?) would be unredeemable since they were half men/half angel.
Jesus didn't die for the angels. How could they be judged as men?
Comments?
Gen 6:1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
Gen 6:2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

Gen 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
Gen 6:5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

Gen 6:12 And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.
Gen 6:13 And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.

For them to be continually wicked where no one was right with God except Noah and his family it was because the evil angels influenced mankind.

But I do not believe that the angels had intercourse with the daughters of men and they were half human, and half angel.

But it could be that the angels possessed the people, and had sex with the women through the men, and they were continually wicked because of the influence of the evil angels.

Sons of God could not be talking about men that were following God in the truth for how would they become so wicked unless they were lusting after the women which is sin.

But it would not cause them to be continually evil, and corrupt God's ways on earth, and the earth was filled with violence through them.

The only way a baby can be born is by a mother and a father, and a devil does not have the power to cause a woman to be pregnant, and Jesus is the only human born without a natural father.

The devils do not have that ability to be able to have sex with women to have children, and Satan cannot read our thoughts, like we cannot see radio waves, and invisible waves with our eyes, or mind.

I believe the evil spirits influenced mankind and possessed them, and had sex through the men with the women, and caused them to be continually evil, and all their offspring would only know of evil ways, and they stopped acknowledging a God and His ways which love is the fulfilling of the law, and they were violent towards each other in earth.

People will not become that wicked unless it is an influence of the evil spirits, which we can see today that the world is not continually evil, although the world is more selfish, and arrogant, and self exalting than the past, as the Bible tells us it is.

So before the sons of God influenced the world the people were not as bad in attitude as they are now, and God told us the last generation will be the worse generation is selfish, and arrogance, and self exaltation.

So for them to be that wicked where they are not like that now would mean it had to be the evil spirits that influenced mankind.

But how was it possible that the evil spirits could influence the people like that, so they must of not been on a leash like they are now, and then after the flood they were put on a leash and could not influence the world like that anymore until God is ready to end this sin business on earth.

2Th 2:6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
2Th 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
2Th 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
2Th 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

The devils are on a leash and can only influence the world so much, but God has to end this sin business on earth one day so He has to allow the evil spirits to influence the people who do not love Him to work for setting up the beast kingdom to cause all people who do not love Him to follow the antichrist, and when the New Age Christ appears claiming to be God then Satan is off his leash concerning the wicked, which is represented as the beast coming up out of the bottomless pit, and the devils will deceive all people who do not love God to follow the beast.

Then the world will be continually wicked as the people have the nature of a devil like they were before the flood, and God will put down the world, and have His people with Him.

But these fallen angels did not have intercourse with the women to have children that were wicked, but they influenced the people that were already born to be continually wicked.

And at that time in the future before the New Age Christ claims to be God, but working as a great man of peace in the world, they will make it international law for a man and a woman not to marry for population reduction, and the New Age Christ will have no desire of women.

The devil is not off his leash until the New Age Christ claims to be God, and prior to that they cannot have children, so the devils are not producing children by women to cause them to be continually wicked.

And when they say Peace and safety which starts a 7 years period that God is giving the world their way to cause all people that do not love Him to follow the beast that before that the devils were not having children by women for we would surely know about it.

So if they will be continually evil and do not care about God's ways for they believe in no personal God, and the devils were not having children by women to cause a people that were continually evil, and it was only the devils influencing them, then before the flood the evil spirits would not have to have sex with women to bear children that caused them to be continually evil for they can influence the people men, women, and children, to cause them to be continually evil.

There is only 2 times that mankind will be continually evil at the flood, and when the New Age Christ claims to be God, and both times God puts the world down, and like Noah and his family were saved, the saints shall be saved from that destruction.

I do not believe the sons of God had sex with the women and they were half human, and half angel, but they influenced the people, and had sex with the women through the men as they possessed them which caused the people to behave in a way that was against God and His ways, and caused them to be continually evil, corrupted God's ways on earth, and their violence filled the whole earth.

But it was not over at the flood for they did not cause the world to rebel against God according to His plan of salvation, and the Old Testament, and the New Testament was not given yet, so God started over with Noah and his family.

At the beast kingdom they stopped the plan of salvation for the nations came together as one to work for peace on earth according to the ways of people, went by the new age movement that evolution is religion, and they are still evolving to be greater and spiritual provided by the New Age Christ, and stopped the preaching of the Gospel world wide saying it is not the truth, and they want peace not division.

And after that went on for a while they accepted the New Age Christ and took his mark which then salvation was no longer available to them, and the beast kingdom took away the hope of the world so God put them down for good this time, and it is over.

But they could not rebel against God, and could not take away the hope of the world unless God allowed it, for no nation or kingdom can rule unless God allows it, which the beast has power to rule for three and one half years, and power over all nations, kindreds, and tongues, which he could not have that power unless God allowed it, but God had to let it happen so He could end this sin business on earth.

Which God is not forcing anybody to follow the beast kingdom, but He has to allow it for He will not give up on the world until they give up on Him.
 

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Gen 6:1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
Gen 6:2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

Gen 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
Gen 6:5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

Gen 6:12 And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.
Gen 6:13 And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.

For them to be continually wicked where no one was right with God except Noah and his family it was because the evil angels influenced mankind.

But I do not believe that the angels had intercourse with the daughters of men and they were half human, and half angel.

But it could be that the angels possessed the people, and had sex with the women through the men, and they were continually wicked because of the influence of the evil angels.

Sons of God could not be talking about men that were following God in the truth for how would they become so wicked unless they were lusting after the women which is sin.

But it would not cause them to be continually evil, and corrupt God's ways on earth, and the earth was filled with violence through them.

The only way a baby can be born is by a mother and a father, and a devil does not have the power to cause a woman to be pregnant, and Jesus is the only human born without a natural father.

The devils do not have that ability to be able to have sex with women to have children, and Satan cannot read our thoughts, like we cannot see radio waves, and invisible waves with our eyes, or mind.

I believe the evil spirits influenced mankind and possessed them, and had sex through the men with the women, and caused them to be continually evil, and all their offspring would only know of evil ways, and they stopped acknowledging a God and His ways which love is the fulfilling of the law, and they were violent towards each other in earth.

People will not become that wicked unless it is an influence of the evil spirits, which we can see today that the world is not continually evil, although the world is more selfish, and arrogant, and self exalting than the past, as the Bible tells us it is.

So before the sons of God influenced the world the people were not as bad in attitude as they are now, and God told us the last generation will be the worse generation is selfish, and arrogance, and self exaltation.

So for them to be that wicked where they are not like that now would mean it had to be the evil spirits that influenced mankind.

But how was it possible that the evil spirits could influence the people like that, so they must of not been on a leash like they are now, and then after the flood they were put on a leash and could not influence the world like that anymore until God is ready to end this sin business on earth.

2Th 2:6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
2Th 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
2Th 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
2Th 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

The devils are on a leash and can only influence the world so much, but God has to end this sin business on earth one day so He has to allow the evil spirits to influence the people who do not love Him to work for setting up the beast kingdom to cause all people who do not love Him to follow the antichrist, and when the New Age Christ appears claiming to be God then Satan is off his leash concerning the wicked, which is represented as the beast coming up out of the bottomless pit, and the devils will deceive all people who do not love God to follow the beast.

Then the world will be continually wicked as the people have the nature of a devil like they were before the flood, and God will put down the world, and have His people with Him.

But these fallen angels did not have intercourse with the women to have children that were wicked, but they influenced the people that were already born to be continually wicked.

And at that time in the future before the New Age Christ claims to be God, but working as a great man of peace in the world, they will make it international law for a man and a woman not to marry for population reduction, and the New Age Christ will have no desire of women.

The devil is not off his leash until the New Age Christ claims to be God, and prior to that they cannot have children, so the devils are not producing children by women to cause them to be continually wicked.

And when they say Peace and safety which starts a 7 years period that God is giving the world their way to cause all people that do not love Him to follow the beast that before that the devils were not having children by women for we would surely know about it.

So if they will be continually evil and do not care about God's ways for they believe in no personal God, and the devils were not having children by women to cause a people that were continually evil, and it was only the devils influencing them, then before the flood the evil spirits would not have to have sex with women to bear children that caused them to be continually evil for they can influence the people men, women, and children, to cause them to be continually evil.

There is only 2 times that mankind will be continually evil at the flood, and when the New Age Christ claims to be God, and both times God puts the world down, and like Noah and his family were saved, the saints shall be saved from that destruction.

I do not believe the sons of God had sex with the women and they were half human, and half angel, but they influenced the people, and had sex with the women through the men as they possessed them which caused the people to behave in a way that was against God and His ways, and caused them to be continually evil, corrupted God's ways on earth, and their violence filled the whole earth.

But it was not over at the flood for they did not cause the world to rebel against God according to His plan of salvation, and the Old Testament, and the New Testament was not given yet, so God started over with Noah and his family.

At the beast kingdom they stopped the plan of salvation for the nations came together as one to work for peace on earth according to the ways of people, went by the new age movement that evolution is religion, and they are still evolving to be greater and spiritual provided by the New Age Christ, and stopped the preaching of the Gospel world wide saying it is not the truth, and they want peace not division.

And after that went on for a while they accepted the New Age Christ and took his mark which then salvation was no longer available to them, and the beast kingdom took away the hope of the world so God put them down for good this time, and it is over.

But they could not rebel against God, and could not take away the hope of the world unless God allowed it, for no nation or kingdom can rule unless God allows it, which the beast has power to rule for three and one half years, and power over all nations, kindreds, and tongues, which he could not have that power unless God allowed it, but God had to let it happen so He could end this sin business on earth.

Which God is not forcing anybody to follow the beast kingdom, but He has to allow it for He will not give up on the world until they give up on Him.
I don't normally respond to looooong posts but this is probably the essence, which is a good point..,

I believe the evil spirits influenced mankind and possessed them, and had sex through the men with the women, and caused them to be continually evil, and all their offspring would only know of evil ways, and they stopped acknowledging a God and His ways which love is the fulfilling of the law, and they were violent towards each other in earth.
 
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I don't normally respond to looooong posts but this is probably the essence, which is a good point..,
I do tend to have long posts, and that quite a lot, but in my defense at least I try to make them more easier to read with not having it all run together, or at least not that much, and broken apart more in sentences, and paragraphs, so it can be understood better, and to me it still relates, but I know what you mean about long posts for I do not like reading them that often unless it makes sense as I am going along, or revealing information that is related to it.

But I do not think it was a looooong post as in 5 o's, but more like a loooong post with 4 o's, so you did tend to exaggerate, lol.
 
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I believe the evil spirits influenced mankind and possessed them, and had sex through the men with the women, and caused them to be continually evil, and all their offspring would only know of evil ways, and they stopped acknowledging a God and His ways which love is the fulfilling of the law, and they were violent towards each other in earth.

People will not become that wicked unless it is an influence of the evil spirits, which we can see today that the world is not continually evil, although the world is more selfish, and arrogant, and self exalting than the past, as the Bible tells us it is.

So before the sons of God influenced the world the people were not as bad in attitude as they are now, and God told us the last generation will be the worse generation is selfish, and arrogance, and self exaltation.

So for them to be that wicked where they are not like that now would mean it had to be the evil spirits that influenced mankind.
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I do not believe the sons of God had sex with the women and they were half human, and half angel, but they influenced the people, and had sex with the women through the men as they possessed them which caused the people to behave in a way that was against God and His ways, and caused them to be continually evil, corrupted God's ways on earth, and their violence filled the whole earth.
MattforJesus is that possible evil spirit can continually possessed human all his life and then give birth an evil child just like what happened to Nephilims? It seems that the human he possessed control all his life. Will God allow that the human He created will be manipulated by evil spirit throughout his life?
 
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There are no second chances. Jesus preached of his victory to OT believers.
Notice 1Pet 4:6..."but live according to God in the spirit."

Otherwise 1Pet 3:19-20 would contradict the author of Hebrews (Paul)...
And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
(Heb 9:27)

Otherwise it sounds like 'after this, man gets a 2nd chance'.
crossnote what do you understand these two verses?
“Then, behold, the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom; and the earth quaked, and the rocks were split, and the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised; and coming out of the graves after His resurrection, they went into the holy city and appeared to many.” -Matthew 27:51-53

"This is why it says: "When he ascended on high, he took many captives and gave gifts to his people." - Ephesians 4:8
 
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Where not on the same page.. i believe fallen angels did have relations with human woman and it was probably the main reason why God hit this world with the great flood.. To wipe out the giants..

All the angels who went down to earth and has sexual relations with woman where punished by being cast into the bottomless pit.. Satan must not have joined them in their actiuons because satan is not yet been cast into the bottomless pit.. He will be chained up and cast into the botomless pit for 1000 years when Jesus returns in the second comming..

We read in Jude about these angels who left their first estate ( heaven )

Jude 1: KJV
6 "And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day."

These angels will be released from the pit for a short time before the return of Jesus as a judgement upon humanity.. These ones will torment humans for months with a toment so bad the humans will wish they where dead..

Revelation 9: KJV
1 "And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit. {2} And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit. {3} And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power. {4} And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads. {5} And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man. {6} And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them. {7} And the shapes of the locusts were like unto horses prepared unto battle; and on their heads were as it were crowns like gold, and their faces were as the faces of men. {8} And they had hair as the hair of women, and their teeth were as the teeth of lions. {9} And they had breastplates, as it were breastplates of iron; and the sound of their wings was as the sound of chariots of many horses running to battle. {10} And they had tails like unto scorpions, and there were stings in their tails: and their power was to hurt men five months. {11} And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon."

The key is defining the word. Nephilim and how it relates to sons of God. Not sons of mankind or daughters of men (same thing) .

Nephilim giants of faith that God moves according to the good purpose of his will . He moved David a person of renown took a little stone and slayed the literal giant. Made him look like a grasshopper.

There is Nephilim of the NBA . They have there own wall of renown fame .

We walk by faith the unseen mighty power of God . It hit the giant right between the eyes .Fell forward with a push from behind. . flat on his face.
 
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crossnote you did not yet answer my last question to you, here's my additional question, as usual same thing from my first question. What do you understand this following verses? Because all these verses I presented to you is related to our discussions.
  • as prisoners are gathered in the pit, Isa. 24:22.
  • thou mayest say to the prisoners, Go forth, Isa. 49:9
  • opening of the prison to them that are bound, Isa. 61:1
  • preach deliverance to the captives, Luke 4:18.
  • dead shall hear … the Son, John 5:25.
  • preached unto the spirits in prison, 1 Pet. 3:19.
  • gospel preached also to them that are dead, 1 Pet. 4:6.
“The Spirit of the LORD is upon Me, Because He has anointed Me To preach the gospel to the poor; He has sent Me to heal the brokenhearted, To proclaim liberty to the captives And recovery of sight to the blind, To set at liberty those who are oppressed.” - Luke 4:18
 

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I do tend to have long posts, and that quite a lot, but in my defense at least I try to make them more easier to read with not having it all run together, or at least not that much, and broken apart more in sentences, and paragraphs, so it can be understood better, and to me it still relates, but I know what you mean about long posts for I do not like reading them that often unless it makes sense as I am going along, or revealing information that is related to it.

But I do not think it was a looooong post as in 5 o's, but more like a loooong post with 4 o's, so you did tend to exaggerate, lol.
A tip. Perhaps make the first paragraph a summary of what is to follow.