Genesis 6:1-2 Revisited. Unredeemable

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bojack

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Spiritually sons of the devil.. Not genetically sons of the devil.. Neither Judas nor Pharaoh where giants..

There is no excuse for loving sin.. No excuse for willfully rebelling against the Will of God..

And what opportunity did satan miss in the garden?

satan did take the opportunity to decieve Eve and sabotarge Gods creation.. Of course doing so only set up an opportunity for God to rescue / Redeem His creation and prove to all the heavenly host once and for all that God was justified in being the one and only God of all existence.. Satan probably thought by sabotarging Gods creation he would undermine Gods authority.. But He only ensured his own destruction.. God had given satan enough rope to hang himself..
We may be on the same page here .. I posted that to help prove that sons of God were men and not fallen angels and there was never any women having sex with fallen angels or that they somehow produced the giants, that if it were possible the devil may as well took Eve and made her pregnant in the garden ..
 

Adstar

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We may be on the same page here .. I posted that to help prove that sons of God were men and not fallen angels and there was never any women having sex with fallen angels or that they somehow produced the giants, that if it were possible the devil may as well took Eve and made her pregnant in the garden ..
Where not on the same page.. i believe fallen angels did have relations with human woman and it was probably the main reason why God hit this world with the great flood.. To wipe out the giants..

All the angels who went down to earth and has sexual relations with woman where punished by being cast into the bottomless pit.. Satan must not have joined them in their actiuons because satan is not yet been cast into the bottomless pit.. He will be chained up and cast into the botomless pit for 1000 years when Jesus returns in the second comming..

We read in Jude about these angels who left their first estate ( heaven )

Jude 1: KJV

6 "And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day."

These angels will be released from the pit for a short time before the return of Jesus as a judgement upon humanity.. These ones will torment humans for months with a toment so bad the humans will wish they where dead..

Revelation 9: KJV
1 "And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit. {2} And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit. {3} And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power. {4} And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads. {5} And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man. {6} And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them. {7} And the shapes of the locusts were like unto horses prepared unto battle; and on their heads were as it were crowns like gold, and their faces were as the faces of men. {8} And they had hair as the hair of women, and their teeth were as the teeth of lions. {9} And they had breastplates, as it were breastplates of iron; and the sound of their wings was as the sound of chariots of many horses running to battle. {10} And they had tails like unto scorpions, and there were stings in their tails: and their power was to hurt men five months. {11} And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon."
 

bojack

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From Cain to Lamech there were no recorded fallen angel yet Lamach had taken on himself to be pretty bad by then on their own .. Cain had had a knowledge of God but his new clan had none ..
14 Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me.
15 And the LORD said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the LORD set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.
16 And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.
17 And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch.
18 And unto Enoch was born Irad: and Irad begat Mehujael: and Mehujael begat Methusael: and Methusael begat Lamech.
19 And Lamech took unto him two wives: the name of the one was Adah, and the name of the other Zillah.
20 And Adah bare Jabal: he was the father of such as dwell in tents, and of such as have cattle.
21 And his brother's name was Jubal: he was the father of all such as handle the harp and organ.
22 And Zillah, she also bare Tubalcain, an instructer of every artificer in brass and iron: and the sister of Tubalcain was Naamah.
23 And Lamech said unto his wives, Adah and Zillah, Hear my voice; ye wives of Lamech, hearken unto my speech: for I have slain a man to my wounding, and a young man to my hurt.
24 If Cain shall be avenged sevenfold, truly Lamech seventy and sevenfold.
 

garee

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These angels will be released from the pit for a short time before the return of Jesus as a judgement upon humanity.. These ones will torment humans for months with a toment so bad the humans will wish they where dead..
How can angels as ministering spirits of "God's truth" And this exclusive truth as a law is not of their "own truth or thoughts" But those carry the word of God. .

How could words literally hurt humans? Only the tongue of God has power over life and death just by saying a word. Spirits of thought have no form . And like Satan, as a serpent needing form(DNA) to deceive mankind and destroy faith in the garden of Eden or like Satan standing behind Peter working with Peter to work out his unseen evil desires. We can give them form when we walk by sight.

But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men. Mathew 16:23

Wings of wind have no DNA.

John 3:7-9 (ERV) Don’t be surprised that I told you, ‘You must be born again.’ The wind blows wherever it wants to. You hear it, but you don’t know where it is coming from or where it is going. It is the same with everyone who is born from the Spirit.” Nicodemus asked, “How is all this possible?”

The question. How is it all possible I think you could say, By and through the it as it is written. It gives us the understanding dividing it from the doctrines of men. By and through the doctrines of God that fall from above and are bound on earth . (Deuteronomy 32)

Ephesians 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive

Deuteronomy 32 King James Version (KJV) Give ear, O ye heavens, and I will speak; and hear, O earth, the words of my mouth. My doctrine shall drop as the rain, my speech shall distil as the dew, as the small rain upon the tender herb, and as the showers upon the grass: