Genocide attributed to God in old testament.
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Ha ha ha ha, ..... Good one. but I have quoted the bible word by word, it is just that the verses I have quoted have been completely ignored by the good Christians like you. You entitled to your fundamentalist fanatical opinion, but I am an dirty, unclean, uncircumcised Gentile, and read the bible with no bias. and if my ancestors will have lived close to the Israelites, they will have race cleansed them and killed them with all the compasion they have learned from the God of the old testament.
Have your read the story of Noa, he cursed the decendence of cam ancestor of the Canaanites. for the posts and bible readings I have learned the Israelites were a sin oriented people, that will sin as son as they could, then your say they were more just that the cannanites, I do not know, I do not have the history of the cannanites to make an opinion. what i know they were living in their land and the hordes or Israelites came from egypt and race cleansed them and commited genocide, rape, and all kind of terrible acts.... acts of war, and taked the land from them, they use the excuse that God has order them to do such things, and also have God ruled how to legaly rape the virgen prisoners of war, and how to sell their own daughters as slaves and all kind of micromanagement that God could not refuse because was the use of the time, and because that was the use of this terrible people God the all wise and full of wisdom have to came down to the standards of this savages.....
What your with all your dogma and years of faith can not acept is that that God have been created by the Israelites tailoring him to their convenience. That was one of the reason moses law has to be declared null, because is not really a law from God but they created that god according to their legends, so Jesus have to came and correct.
I do belive in a loving God and Jesus, a God who loves all men equal.
What your with all your dogma and years of faith can not acept is that that God have been created by the Israelites tailoring him to their convenience. That was one of the reason moses law has to be declared null, because is not really a law from God but they created that god according to their legends, so Jesus have to came and correct.
I do belive in a loving God and Jesus, a God who loves all men equal.
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Is that the only reply you can come up with? Yes I did pray for them, I did not even harbour any thoughts or plots of revenge, I left that up to God. I will not go into any details as it was a long long time ago and its all history now, but they did evil things against me, and I mean really evil things, but God dealt with it and punished them in a huge way, all the things they did against me and accused me off they ended up having to go through themsleves.
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No I dont read the Bible with bias. I read it with understanding.We are all unclean till we come to Christ and ask forgiveness.But the Jesus of the NT is the God of the OT.They are one.They agree completely.If you think Jesus was all love and the God of the OT was all vengeance you do not understand the Bible at all.You have a fundamental misunderstanding of the Bible,particularly the God of the Bible. Why you would want to serve the god you've made up in your mind is beyond me.You can quote Scripture all day and still not understand it.Which seems to be the case with you.
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You agree? Okay.
Ivan,
Why don't you believe the Bible as the inspired word of God? I apologize for calling you a dingo. It was meant in fun. You are a human being created in the image of God. You are valuable and precious to our God.
Your posts contain words and phrases that have an anger toward the Bible and God. That's okay, but only if in our anger or sorrow we address the underling reasons of them with thought, with temperance, patience.
None of us, that includes believers, walk through this mortal world with all wisdom and understanding.
I am reminded of the question: "Why do people suffer?" I intentionally omitted "good" from people.
Your posts about genocide and destruction of Canaanites reminds me.
I don't know about where you live, but people in my community, which I grew up in, are selfish, completely selfish and self-centered. That's no exaggeration. Just a drive around the block: It's just them on the road. Encroach upon pedestrians. Leave garbage curbside. Tailgate. Spit in public. Swear. Disrespect toward authorities. So on and so on.
Then of course there's the world community. Shambles.
Does God ignore it? Seems that way, but He doesn't. He has given us His Word, the Bible. From that book, millions of people learn not only how to live through this world, but they learn and become givers.
I am giving you my time. I am giving you my attention. I will address and work through with you any anger, any resentment, any negative thoughts, any questions, doubts, concerns you present.
Ivan, if the world did not have the Bible, what a hellish place.
Don't allow your feelings to move you from searching for truth.
Sincerely,
Galahad.
Ivan,
Why don't you believe the Bible as the inspired word of God? I apologize for calling you a dingo. It was meant in fun. You are a human being created in the image of God. You are valuable and precious to our God.
Your posts contain words and phrases that have an anger toward the Bible and God. That's okay, but only if in our anger or sorrow we address the underling reasons of them with thought, with temperance, patience.
None of us, that includes believers, walk through this mortal world with all wisdom and understanding.
I am reminded of the question: "Why do people suffer?" I intentionally omitted "good" from people.
Your posts about genocide and destruction of Canaanites reminds me.
I don't know about where you live, but people in my community, which I grew up in, are selfish, completely selfish and self-centered. That's no exaggeration. Just a drive around the block: It's just them on the road. Encroach upon pedestrians. Leave garbage curbside. Tailgate. Spit in public. Swear. Disrespect toward authorities. So on and so on.
Then of course there's the world community. Shambles.
Does God ignore it? Seems that way, but He doesn't. He has given us His Word, the Bible. From that book, millions of people learn not only how to live through this world, but they learn and become givers.
I am giving you my time. I am giving you my attention. I will address and work through with you any anger, any resentment, any negative thoughts, any questions, doubts, concerns you present.
Ivan, if the world did not have the Bible, what a hellish place.
Don't allow your feelings to move you from searching for truth.
Sincerely,
Galahad.
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We Really have a different God!, Mine Died in the cross and lived with sinners, and forgave the sins of anyone who approached him. even did not judged an adulterous woman caught in the very act of adultery. a God who told Humanity Believe in Me and you will be save, a God who did not care about justice and said:
Matthew 9:13
But go and learn what this means: 'I DESIRE COMPASSION, AND NOT SACRIFICE,' for I did not come to call the righteous, but sinners."
Where you go got the Idea I am angry with God, I am not, I do not Hate the bible, is a book I read every day.
But I also have some neurones in my brain, and I am able to see the signature of legends and how the people who wrote the old testament accommodated God to fit their culture. which is actually normal, and common in all cultures.
I am not an a person from the middle east, not Jew, just a normal gentile. I do not hate the Jews, But when I see genocide I say I saw genocide, I do not say Ohhh is the people of God and they could do whatever they like.
In the detail you could find the truth, and is quite revealing, how "God" (in Quotes because some a confused I an attributing it to God, I have said I believe the Israelites attributed it to God, and I said the old testament can not be accepted literally). quite conveniently have ordered the force marriage and rape of woman and even left a clause to after sex abandon the woman which will be the case most of the times as thy will abuse the law, we have agreed they are inclined to sin, even more if they are authorized by "God".
The other law I used to show how the Israelites accommodated God to their culture is the law that teach how to sell you daughter as sex slave. now the owner could sell it to another man as long is also Israelite. I have my eyes open, this two laws are cultural, shows the impotence of "God" to rule this people, the poor woman can not even have the freedom after 6 years like men.
also I showed the very low value of woman in that culture, all fault of eve obviously.
Matthew 9:13
But go and learn what this means: 'I DESIRE COMPASSION, AND NOT SACRIFICE,' for I did not come to call the righteous, but sinners."
Where you go got the Idea I am angry with God, I am not, I do not Hate the bible, is a book I read every day.
But I also have some neurones in my brain, and I am able to see the signature of legends and how the people who wrote the old testament accommodated God to fit their culture. which is actually normal, and common in all cultures.
I am not an a person from the middle east, not Jew, just a normal gentile. I do not hate the Jews, But when I see genocide I say I saw genocide, I do not say Ohhh is the people of God and they could do whatever they like.
In the detail you could find the truth, and is quite revealing, how "God" (in Quotes because some a confused I an attributing it to God, I have said I believe the Israelites attributed it to God, and I said the old testament can not be accepted literally). quite conveniently have ordered the force marriage and rape of woman and even left a clause to after sex abandon the woman which will be the case most of the times as thy will abuse the law, we have agreed they are inclined to sin, even more if they are authorized by "God".
The other law I used to show how the Israelites accommodated God to their culture is the law that teach how to sell you daughter as sex slave. now the owner could sell it to another man as long is also Israelite. I have my eyes open, this two laws are cultural, shows the impotence of "God" to rule this people, the poor woman can not even have the freedom after 6 years like men.
also I showed the very low value of woman in that culture, all fault of eve obviously.
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I agree. God chose Israel to be His possession, His holy nation. He warned them to serve Him and Him only.
Just to be clear, you believe the Bible is the inspired word of God. You do not believe God commanded the Israelites to destroy the Canaanites. You believe the Israelites destroyed, committed genocide against the Canaanites. Then the Israelites in writing the OT basically pointed the finger at God, "He told us to kill them."
I don't completely understand. But . . .
God did not rule His people by whip or rope. He wooed them. He blessed them, warned them, led them, directed them. He entreated them to come to Him, but He did not bring them to Himself against their will. Yes, God did bring sore punishment upon Israel at times. Those punishments were to prove to Israel, that God is just, holy, and righteous. They had to chose to obey.
Concerning Eve. She is no worse than any other sinner. She's no worse than Adam. Her punishment is different, the consequences of her sin is different. Any and all sin brings death.
Question: Why didn't God punish Israel for, as you say, committing genocide?
If I am to believe or accept your proposal "God told us to kill all the Canaanites" but He actually did not, then what you want me to believe is a lie.
You want be to believe that God allowed His own people to accuse Him and cover up their wickedness. He did nothing about it. In fact, He went along with their lie. How? Because He was the One who delivered them into the land of Canaan. Paul, a Jew, and an apostle of Jesus Christ gives God the credit for bringing Israel into the promise land. He agrees with the OT record concerning God and His part in Israel's deliverance.
I thank you for responding.
Just to be clear, you believe the Bible is the inspired word of God. You do not believe God commanded the Israelites to destroy the Canaanites. You believe the Israelites destroyed, committed genocide against the Canaanites. Then the Israelites in writing the OT basically pointed the finger at God, "He told us to kill them."
I don't completely understand. But . . .
God did not rule His people by whip or rope. He wooed them. He blessed them, warned them, led them, directed them. He entreated them to come to Him, but He did not bring them to Himself against their will. Yes, God did bring sore punishment upon Israel at times. Those punishments were to prove to Israel, that God is just, holy, and righteous. They had to chose to obey.
Concerning Eve. She is no worse than any other sinner. She's no worse than Adam. Her punishment is different, the consequences of her sin is different. Any and all sin brings death.
Question: Why didn't God punish Israel for, as you say, committing genocide?
If I am to believe or accept your proposal "God told us to kill all the Canaanites" but He actually did not, then what you want me to believe is a lie.
You want be to believe that God allowed His own people to accuse Him and cover up their wickedness. He did nothing about it. In fact, He went along with their lie. How? Because He was the One who delivered them into the land of Canaan. Paul, a Jew, and an apostle of Jesus Christ gives God the credit for bringing Israel into the promise land. He agrees with the OT record concerning God and His part in Israel's deliverance.
I thank you for responding.
God did punished them and badly, ordered to kill thousands of them, and killed entire families for the fault of one men. God did punish them, but choose not to change their evil cultural practices..... this does not ring bells to you?
That is the signature of cultural cosmo-vision of cultures writing their legends.
That is the signature of cultural cosmo-vision of cultures writing their legends.
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Ivan,
Stephen in Acts 7, Paul in Acts 13, and Jesus in Matthew 11 all credit God with the conquest of Canaan by Israel.
Plenty of NT writings agree with the OT account of the Israelites conquest of Canaan.
The OT is not a favorable account of Israel.
Do you believe the Bible, OT and NT, is inspired by God?
Stephen in Acts 7, Paul in Acts 13, and Jesus in Matthew 11 all credit God with the conquest of Canaan by Israel.
Plenty of NT writings agree with the OT account of the Israelites conquest of Canaan.
The OT is not a favorable account of Israel.
Do you believe the Bible, OT and NT, is inspired by God?