Gentiles

[crossnote]

Sometimes a person has to go back to the original language to determine what the writer was defining.

I know enough about the original language to know what you posted is not original Hebrew. There is a difference between Paleo Hebrew and Ashuri. This is why I go to the translations translated by experts in the languages and look at the context of a passage, not some internet lexicon.

 

[crossnote]

I consider myself the tribe of Japheth. Shem is the tribe of the Israelites. Shem got the tents, but we get to live in them with them. Works for me.
Gen. 9:26-27

Until Ham burns them down

 

[Elin]

Biblical history classifies both Benjamin and Judah as the "house of Judah."
"And the men of Judah came, and there they anointed David king over the house of Judah" 2 Samuel 2:4

It also classifies the lost 10 tribes of Israel as the "house of Ephraim," Ephraim receiving the "birthright" from Jacob. See Genesis 48:12-20

"Moreover the children of Ammon passed over Jordan to fight also against Judah, and against Benjamin, and against the house of Ephraim; so that Israel was sore distressed." Judges 10:9

"For Judah prevailed above his brethren, and of him came the chief ruler; but the birthright was Joseph's:" 1 Chronicles 5:2

Now Paul was of the tribe of Benjamin, and Jesus was of the tribe of Judah (which we all know), both Benjamin and Judah being of the house of Judah (Jew being a short description for both tribes).

Paul writes of himself; "Though I might also have confidence in the flesh. If any other man thinketh that he hath whereof he might trust in the flesh, I more: Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee;" Philippians 3:4-5

So in reality, Paul is actually a Jew according to Biblical documentation. He was elected to be a minister to the Gentiles.

"For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles, If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:" Ephesians 3:1-2

So when Paul writes "For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:" (Romans 1:16, and Romans 2:9-10), it is obvious that we, as Gentiles, have the opportunity to be grafted into the "Olive tree" whose original branches are Jewish.

Romans 11:17-24
[SUP]17 [/SUP]And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert grafted in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
[SUP]21 [/SUP]For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
[SUP]23 [/SUP]And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?

Therefore, the Jews are not grafted into the Gentile Church, but the Gentiles are grafted into Christ via the Jews. Many have this backwards, but the Bible says what it says, and I'm sure I will get flack over this one and accused of promoting the HRM which I certainly am not a part of. I'm just promoting the Bible documentation, and the history from my KJV.

It's not NT Bible documentation you are promoting, but Jewish precedence in the people of God you are promoting.

Gentiles are grafted into Christ via the Holy Spirit, the same way Jews are.

There is no precedence of the Jews in the NT people of God.

 

[Elin]

I understand. I think it boils down to why did God plan 2 separate groups of people to be one in His kingdom, and how is it supposed to come to pass? The Jew first and also to the gentile as Paul said.

Some really don't know now that the house of Ephraim is related to Gentiles. There is a dispute over how Paul received revelation before the Jews, classifying him as a Gentile. Get a load of this post in a different thread I started.

Reframe that to: In the fullness of time, God separated a people to himself from the world to bring forth the Messiah.

It's not about two separate groups of people, it's about God preparing a people to receive the Messiah, which they rejected.
So he took the gospel to the world, which was the reason he had prepared in the first place a people to receive the Messiah which they rejected.

 

[just-me]

It is amazing how the Old and New Testament completely agree when it comes to including “Gentiles” into the Kingdom of God.

And when a stranger shall sojourn with thee, and will keep the passover to the Lord, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near and keep it; and he shall be as one that is born in the land: for no uncircumcised person shall eat thereof. One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the “stranger” that “sojourneth” among you. “(Exodus 12:48-49)

With this scripture, it is obvious that there were many people who were not of the seed of Abraham that came out of Egypt with Israel; (Egypt representing the world's values). And they (the strangers) would also have put the blood of the lamb on their door posts before God “passed over” as did the Israelites who listened to God's instructions. The stranger was incorporated into the nation that God had established for His own, being Abraham 's seed, and would show them His love and are preserved by His power.

From the Hebrew
“stranger” = “geyr” meaning a guest; by implication, a foreigner:--alien, sojourner, stranger.
“sojourneth” = “guwr” is a guest, meaning to abide, assemble, dwell, fear, gather (together), inhabitant, remain, sojourn, stand in awe, (be) stranger, X surely.

So these words together would describe the person's status, along with their actions in respect to being attached to Israel by their own volition.

“Our inheritance is turned to strangers, our houses to aliens.” (Lamentations 5:2)

*In the New Testament we can identify God's intentions all along, related to the “mystery” that Jesus, Peter, and Paul describe.

“Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the “strangers” scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, *Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied. And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear:” (1 Peter 1:1-2 and 17)

In the parable of the wedding feast Jesus said; “So those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good: and the wedding was furnished with “guests.” And when the king came in to see the “guests,” he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment.” (Matthew 22:10-11)

“For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a “stranger,” and ye took me in: (Matthew 25:35)

“That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and “strangers” from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:” (Ephesians 2:12)

 

[just-me]

do we have a thread about the Ephraim Gentile connection? that would be fun.

That would be interesting seeing that I believe that the 10 lost tribes of Israel (outside of Judah and Benjamin) are actually "Ephraim." They have been scattered throughout the world since the 730's BC. To this date they have never recovered, so in reality, Ephraim represents the world. (John 3:16)

This post includes Ephraim as the true believers in Christ Jesus throughout the enter world.

future verse shows that the 2 kingdoms are not together yet.

16Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it,
For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions:

then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim,
and for all the house of Israel his companions:


17And join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in thine hand.


When Judah returned from babylon captivety, they became "the children of Israel"
but Jews never where called [the house] of Israel , even though now live in the [state] of Israel

For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree? Romans 11:24

 

[Elin]

That would be interesting seeing that I believe that the 10 lost tribes of Israel (outside of Judah and Benjamin) are actually "Ephraim." They have been scattered throughout the world since the 730's BC. To this date they have never recovered, so in reality, Ephraim represents the world. (John 3:16)

In the times of the NT, Scripture did not seem to regard them as lost, non-existent, or as "the world," for we find them in:

1) prophecies relating to the return from exile in Jer and Eze,
2) return from exile (Ezra 6:17), and the
3) NT (Ac 26:7; Jas 1:1).

 

[just-me]

In the times of the NT, Scripture did not seem to regard them as lost, non-existent, or as "the world," for we find them in:

1) prophecies relating to the return from exile in Jer and Eze,
2) return from exile (Ezra 6:17), and the
3) NT (Ac 26:7; Jas 1:1).

I was referring to Ephraim, not Judah. Ezra relates to the house of Judah who were capture by Babylon, not Assyria. Stop trying to mess up the difference between Judah and Ephraim being separated and then through Christ putting them back together, which prophecy hasn't been fulfilled yet.

 

[Elin]

I was referring to Ephraim, not Judah. Ezra relates to the house of Judah who were capture by Babylon, not Assyria.

Read it again.

Stop trying to mess up the difference between Judah and Ephraim being separated and then through Christ putting them back together, which prophecy hasn't been fulfilled yet.

Yes, the tribes were separated at the exile, but Scripture does not present ten tribes (Ephraim) as "lost" for they are later seen in the NT (Ac 26:7 Jas 1:1).

While in Eze 37:15-22 the ten tribes are called "Ephraim," in Jer 3:18, 31:27, 31 they are called "Israel."

Scripture is not in agreement with the "lost" scenario.

 

[just-me]

Putting the train back on the tracks

Hear my prayer, O Lord, and give ear unto my cry; hold not thy peace at my tears: for I am a “stranger” with thee, and a sojourner, as all my fathers were. (Psalm 39:12)

When David says “all my fathers,” he is referring to Adam, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. These patriarchs were not a nation, but were/are strangers and aliens to this world as the author of Hebrews said about Abraham.

“By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went. By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a*strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise: For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.” (Hebrews 11:8-10)

The *strange country that Hebrews refers to is a type of the “kingdom of God” as it pertains to the “world to come.” Jesus said “My kingdom is not of this world:” (John 18:36a) All of God's people are “sojourners” when it comes to the “Kingdom of God” that is outside of this world's system. Whether Jews or Gentiles, it is irrelevant from which background a person enters into it.

A mixed multitude arrived at Mount Sinai who fled Egypt with Israel. Non-Israelites were considered equals with Israel, and all fulfilled important roles in the “Kingdom of God,” indicating God the Father and Christ Jesus have made a place for all souls to enter into the common good of the “Kingdom” they (as “ONE”) have established.

Neither Caleb nor Ruth were Jewish by birth. “Of the tribe of Judah, Caleb the son of Jephunneh.” (Numbers 13:6) Jephunneh was an outsider of Jacob's clan who married an Israelite woman from the tribe of Judah. As we know about the book of Ruth, she was a Moabite that married Boaz who was of the tribe of Judah. Caleb was an offspring of a Gentile father, and Ruth was a total “Gentile” being of the lineage of both David and Jesus Christ. Both of these patriarchs fulfilled extremely important roles in the “Kingdom of God.” Caleb had the same mind as Joshua, and they together were the only two that survived the 40 year trip all the way from Egypt to the entering of the “promised land.”

 

[Elin]

Putting the train back on the tracks

Hear my prayer, O Lord, and give ear unto my cry; hold not thy peace at my tears: for I am a “stranger” with thee, and a sojourner, as all my fathers were. (Psalm 39:12)

When David says “all my fathers,” he is referring to Adam, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. These patriarchs were not a nation, but were/are strangers and aliens to this world as the author of Hebrews said about Abraham.

“By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went. By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a*strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise: For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.” (Hebrews 11:8-10)

The *strange country that Hebrews refers to is a type of the “kingdom of God” as it pertains to the “world to come.” Jesus said “My kingdom is not of this world:” (John 18:36a) All of God's people are “sojourners” when it comes to the “Kingdom of God” that is outside of this world's system. Whether Jews or Gentiles, it is irrelevant from which background a person enters into it.

A mixed multitude arrived at Mount Sinai who fled Egypt with Israel. Non-Israelites were considered equals with Israel, and all fulfilled important roles in the “Kingdom of God,” indicating God the Father and Christ Jesus have made a place for all souls to enter into the common good of the “Kingdom” they (as “ONE”) have established.

Neither Caleb nor Ruth were Jewish by birth. “Of the tribe of Judah, Caleb the son of Jephunneh.” (Numbers 13:6) Jephunneh was an outsider of Jacob's clan who married an Israelite woman from the tribe of Judah. As we know about the book of Ruth, she was a Moabite that married Boaz who was of the tribe of Judah. Caleb was an offspring of a Gentile father, and Ruth was a total “Gentile” being of the lineage of both David and Jesus Christ. Both of these patriarchs fulfilled extremely important roles in the “Kingdom of God.” Caleb had the same mind as Joshua, and they together were the only two that survived the 40 year trip all the way from Egypt to the entering of the “promised land.”

Likewise, Timothy's father was a Greek, he was taught the faith by his mother and grandmother.

 

[just-me]

Isaiah mentions the Gentile's role in the Kingdom of God. After revealing the the family history of Christ (the stem of Jesse) in Isaiah 11:1 Isaiah goes on to say in verse 10 “And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.”

Jewish names for non-Jews are used in scripture to denote nations, heathen, Gentiles or peoples, and when Greeks came to follow Jesus, they were no longer referred to as Gentiles but as “God fearers.”

“I the Lord have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles; To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house. (Isaiah 42:6-7)

“The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,” (Luke 4:18)

God showed Isaiah how the Gentiles were to be brought out of paganism and all manner of false religion, and offered a heritage along with the Jewish people.

Isaiah 56:3-8
3 Neither let the son of the stranger, that hath joined himself to the Lord, speak, saying, The Lord hath utterly separated me from his people: neither let the eunuch say, Behold, I am a dry tree.
4 For thus saith the Lord unto the eunuchs that keep my sabbaths, and choose the things that please me, and take hold of my covenant;
5 Even unto them will I give in mine house and within my walls a place and a name better than of sons and of daughters: I will give them an everlasting name, that shall not be cut off.
6 Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the Lord, to serve him, and to love the name of the Lord, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant;
7 Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.
8 The Lord God, which gathereth the outcasts of Israel saith, Yet will I gather others to him, beside those that are gathered unto him.

It is clear that God intended the Gentiles to enter into Covenant with Him, which means to observe the law as God instructed Israel, being a physical foreshadowing of its spiritual fulfillment.

“Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.” (Hebrews 4:1 and 10)

In my estimation, “entering into His rest” is in keeping with the “Sabbath.”

 

[mpaper345]

The Bible says that Jesus was only sent to the lost sheep of Israel,and Jesus said that salvation is of the Jews.Just because the Jews rejected Jesus when He was on earth does not mean that the Church replaces Israel,and Israel is not significant,because Israel is the Church.God said that when Israel was being disobedient that God had people that followed Him in the truth all through history.There has always been Jews in the truth even though Israel was sometimes disobedient following false gods.

God's covenant in the Old Testament is with the Jews,and God said that any Gentile that takes hold of that covenant is blessed.God's covenant in the New Testament is with the Jews,and any Gentile that takes hold of that covenant is blessed.

The Church does not replace Israel,but Israel is the Church,that moved from physical to spiritual,for that which is first is natural then that which is spiritual.

That is why the new earth is called,the New Jerusalem.

The truth is that only Jews can belong to the kingdom of God,no one else.If you are not a Jew then you cannot belong to the kingdom of God,for the covenant is only with the Jews,and salvation is of the Jews.

[SUP]28 [/SUP]For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
[SUP]29 [/SUP]But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God(Romans 2:28-29).

When you are saved,and have the Spirit,then you are a Jew inward,in essence you are a Jew,and can take hold of that covenant,because only Jews can be saved,for the covenant is only with them.The Gentiles in the Old Testament that took hold of the covenant in the Old Testament became a Jew according to belief.

The Church does not replace Israel,for Israel is the Church,and the covenant went from Old Testament to New Testament,and that covenant was only with the Jews,and anybody that is saved becomes a Jew inward and can be saved.

God said there is no difference between the Jew and Gentile,and He is no respecter of persons,but Israel is the Church that went from physical to spiritual,and that is why the Gentiles are grafted in to the olive tree,and Jews that are not in the truth can be grafted in,because the covenant is with Israel and nobody else,but anybody that takes hold of that covenant is a Jew and is saved.

 

[Elin]

The truth is that only Jews can belong to the kingdom of God,no one else.If you are not a Jew then you cannot belong to the kingdom of God,for the covenant is only with the Jews,and salvation is of the Jews.

The NT denies this.

 

[just-me]

In the New Covenant writings when Gentiles entered into the Kingdom through Jesus Messiah (Christ), they were given the distinction of “fearers of God.”

“Let all the earth fear the Lord: let all the inhabitants of the world stand in awe of him.” So the heathen shall fear the name of the Lord, and all the kings of the earth thy glory.” (Psalm 33:8 and Psalm 102:15)

“There was a certain man in Caesarea called Cornelius, a centurion of the band called the Italian band, A devout man, and one that feared God with all his house, which gave much alms to the people, and prayed to God alway.” (Acts 10:1-2)

Some might dispute this and suggest that a “guest who is making a journey” (Ger Toshav גר תושב - A guest that is not a native citizen) is not equivalent to a Gentile; however this is debatable if we consider what God says about the “house of Ephraim” being the “lost 10 tribes of Israel,” and later the “house of Judah.” By 325 AD the Jews were completely overwhelmed by the religious Roman authority, founded by Constantine, called the Council of Nicea.

"Council of Nicea" The Jew takes a vow in order to be a member of the church

“Israel is swallowed up: now shall they be among the Gentiles as a vessel wherein is no pleasure.” (Hosea 8:8)

Israel went into dispersion because they threw off God's Torah and broke Covenant with Him, and they have been punished in every generation since. Had Israel (the Jews being part of Israel) as a race been obedient, they would have lifted up Jesus Christ and taught the Torah to all who had ears to hear.

“Thus saith the Lord, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk therein.” (Jeremiah 6:16)

Many who acknowledge Jesus as Messiah openly break the teachings of the “old paths” and falsely believe Jesus and Paul did away with the law.

Throughout the world it is next to impossible to know who are of purebred Israeli heritage. With this fact, we can conclude that the “house of Ephraim” (Judges 10:9) and the “House of Judah” (2 Samuel 2:4) are Gentiles ( Ger Toshav גר תושב ) also. But the gospel came from the “house of Judah” that is comprised of the tribes of Benjamin and Judah. Jesus' earthy heritage was Judah, and Paul's heritage was Benjamin, both being “Jews.”

 

[just-me]

The truth is that only Jews can belong to the kingdom of God,no one else.If you are not a Jew then you cannot belong to the kingdom of God,for the covenant is only with the Jews,and salvation is of the Jews.
[SUP]
28 [/SUP]For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
[SUP]29 [/SUP]But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God (Romans 2:28-29).

The NT denies this.

Paul wrote the letter to the Romans being a minister to the Gentiles also. His writings are New Testament. You cannot deny that. mpaper345 proved it by the New Testament scripture he quoted.

Physical circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing. (taken from 1 Corinthians 7:19)

"In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: (Colossians 2:11) Only Jews were held to circumcision as the spiritual application of the circumcision of the heart. (Deuteronomy 10:16 and 30:6)

We all know that Jesus was a Jew being of the tribe of Judah.

"Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem,Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him." (Matthew 2:1-2)

"And straightway in the morning the chief priests held a consultation with the elders and scribes and the whole council, and bound Jesus, and carried him away, and delivered him to Pilate.And Pilate asked him, Art thou the King of the Jews? And he answering said unto them, Thou sayest it."(Mark 15:1-2)

"Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence." (John 18:36)

So as a figure of speech, the physical "Kingdom" was never in the cards, but the Spiritual "Kingdom" of God. So if a person defines a Jew only in the physical scene then mpaper345 is incorrect. If a person defines one who is a child of God through Christ in the Spiritual sense, then mpaper345 is correct.

"And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end." (Luke 1:33)

As ye know how we exhorted and comforted and charged every one of you, as a father doth his children,That ye would walk worthy of God, who hath called you unto his kingdom and glory." (1 Thessalonians 2:11-12) This is Paul writing to the Gentiles in Thessalonica.

In the beginning of Paul's ministry at Thessalonica, there were "some" Jews converted during Paul's initial preaching, the gentiles who were converted were "a large number" and the Jews as a body fiercely opposed Paul's work there.

Woe to the carnal mind! Whoa.

 

[Elin]

Paul wrote the letter to the Romans being a minister to the Gentiles also. His writings are New Testament. You cannot deny that. mpaper345 proved it by the New Testament scripture he quoted.

Physical circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing. (taken from 1 Corinthians 7:19)

"In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: (Colossians 2:11) Only Jews were held to circumcision as the spiritual application of the circumcision of the heart. (Deuteronomy 10:16 and 30:6)

We all know that Jesus was a Jew being of the tribe of Judah.

"Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem,Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him." (Matthew 2:1-2)

"And straightway in the morning the chief priests held a consultation with the elders and scribes and the whole council, and bound Jesus, and carried him away, and delivered him to Pilate.And Pilate asked him, Art thou the King of the Jews? And he answering said unto them, Thou sayest it."(Mark 15:1-2)

"Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence." (John 18:36)

So as a figure of speech, the physical "Kingdom" was never in the cards, but the Spiritual "Kingdom" of God. So if a person defines a Jew only in the physical scene then mpaper345 is incorrect. If a person defines one who is a child of God through Christ in the Spiritual sense, then mpaper345 is correct.

There are no Jews or Gentiles in Christ.

You are so confused. . .

 

[just-me]

Cornelius was a Roman centurion who is considered by Christians to be the first Gentile to convert to the faith, as related in Acts of the Apostles.

He was the first of many Gentiles to enter into the "Kingdom of God" witnessed by the Jewish Disciples/Apostles of Christ Jesus. He was "A devout man, and one that feared God with all his house, which gave much alms to the people, and prayed to God alway." (Acts 10:2) Here are 2 essential element of true faith for any Jew of Gentile to be "devout, and one that feared (fears) God."

"And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.Now when the congregation was broken up, many of the Jews and religious proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas: who, speaking to them, persuaded them to continue in the grace of God.And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God. But when the Jews saw the multitudes, they were filled with envy, and spake against those things which were spoken by Paul, contradicting and blaspheming." (Acts 13:42-45)

Not only Judeans but "religious proselytes" (converted people who adhered to the Messianic faith of the Jews) were meeting together on Sabbath as one people. They feared God, which means they repented of breaking Torah. It is through the unadulterated law that God gave to Israel at Sinai that we have the knowledge of sin. It is not the law that was adulterated by the Pharisaic regulations. So rather than fear man and do what religion prescribed, many Gentiles turned to God through Christ Jesus and entered into Covenant that Jesus fulfilled which requires Torah to be written on the heart.

 

[Elin]

Cornelius was a Roman centurion who is considered by Christians to be the first Gentile to convert to the faith, as related in Acts of the Apostles.

He was the first of many Gentiles to enter into the "Kingdom of God" witnessed by the Jewish Disciples/Apostles of Christ Jesus. He was "A devout man, and one that feared God with all his house, which gave much alms to the people, and prayed to God alway." (Acts 10:2) Here are 2 essential element of true faith for any Jew of Gentile to be "devout, and one that feared (fears) God."

"And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.Now when the congregation was broken up, many of the Jews and religious proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas: who, speaking to them, persuaded them to continue in the grace of God.And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God. But when the Jews saw the multitudes, they were filled with envy, and spake against those things which were spoken by Paul, contradicting and blaspheming." (Acts 13:42-45)

Not only Judeans but "religious proselytes" (converted people who adhered to the Messianic faith of the Jews) were meeting together on Sabbath as one people. They feared God, which means they repented of breaking Torah. It is through the unadulterated law that God gave to Israel at Sinaithat we have the knowledge of sin. It is not the law that was adulterated by the Pharisaic regulations. So rather than fear man and do what religion prescribed, many Gentiles turned to God through Christ Jesus and entered into Covenant that Jesus fulfilled which requires Torah to be written on the heart.

There is neither Jew nor Gentile, all believers are one in Christ Jesus.
All those in Christ are the seed of Abraham and heirs according to the promise.

 

[royalscot]

history has told a time. and without a time, you have nothing. so an other out of context quote. there had to be a time a gentile was saved. and the bible is clear that was not at the same time as the jewish. christians.