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12 Therefore, brothers and sisters, we have an obligation—but it is not to the flesh, to live according to it. 13 For if you live according to the flesh, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live.
14 For those who are led by the Spirit of God are the children of God. Romans 8
says nothing about following the law and working to keep salvation
actually says live by the Spirit...does not mean keep the law either
have you kept all the commandments? for instance you falsely accused me of lying. broke a commandment right there
since no human being has ever kept all the commandments which would result in perfection, what do you think is a proper understanding of these verses?
Christians are not judged by the law; we are under grace. it is confusion to add to salvation and tell people to obey all the commandments when no one has ever done so. we are saved from the penalty of breaking the law...that penalty is death, bot physical and spiritual.....God has made a new and everlasting covenant with all who believe in His Son and we are saved through the
sinless blood of Christ...and we remain saved the same way.
Not through human effort, but through the work of Christ who completed the law by satisfying the penalty thereof. Death could not hold Him as He was sinless and the resurrection is the result of that perfection. That same power that resurrected Christ, is also in us by the Holy Spirit in order that we may have resurrected life and become a new creation in Christ as scripture states.
In his first epistle, the Apostle John writes of our assurance of salvation. He does not decide otherwise along the way and say we must now obey the commandments, knowing full well that is literally impossible. John is writing about one who continues in sin, not a believer who sometimes sin. to state otherwise is to misapprehend the actual meaning of John's words.
14 For those who are led by the Spirit of God are the children of God. Romans 8
says nothing about following the law and working to keep salvation
actually says live by the Spirit...does not mean keep the law either
have you kept all the commandments? for instance you falsely accused me of lying. broke a commandment right there
since no human being has ever kept all the commandments which would result in perfection, what do you think is a proper understanding of these verses?
Christians are not judged by the law; we are under grace. it is confusion to add to salvation and tell people to obey all the commandments when no one has ever done so. we are saved from the penalty of breaking the law...that penalty is death, bot physical and spiritual.....God has made a new and everlasting covenant with all who believe in His Son and we are saved through the
sinless blood of Christ...and we remain saved the same way.
Not through human effort, but through the work of Christ who completed the law by satisfying the penalty thereof. Death could not hold Him as He was sinless and the resurrection is the result of that perfection. That same power that resurrected Christ, is also in us by the Holy Spirit in order that we may have resurrected life and become a new creation in Christ as scripture states.
In his first epistle, the Apostle John writes of our assurance of salvation. He does not decide otherwise along the way and say we must now obey the commandments, knowing full well that is literally impossible. John is writing about one who continues in sin, not a believer who sometimes sin. to state otherwise is to misapprehend the actual meaning of John's words.
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Moses only received the law
so when someone goes to the trouble of posting scripture, writing about that scripture, you just try to find something to pick on that has no bearing on the actual scripture
that is very disingenuous
I think I will move on for now. does not seem you want to participate unless you are making remarks to somehow sidetrack the thread
are you a Sabbath keeper by any chance? they are the ones who usually refer to the law as Moses law
so when someone goes to the trouble of posting scripture, writing about that scripture, you just try to find something to pick on that has no bearing on the actual scripture
that is very disingenuous
I think I will move on for now. does not seem you want to participate unless you are making remarks to somehow sidetrack the thread
are you a Sabbath keeper by any chance? they are the ones who usually refer to the law as Moses law
Wonderful Testimony.
God is so good.
Having the right mind that understands that the blood of Jesus that started our salvation, always keeps us saved, allows us to rest from trying to be accepted, and gives us the Grace that is our power to live holy.
Philippians 1:6
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The "Joy of the Lord, is our Strength".
For those who understand Salvation as God's Gift that keeps us as righteous as He is, at all times, we found out that this allows us to REST in the Peace of God.
This Rest is JOY and its power and its deliverance....
There is a queer, devil inspired idea within some fake christian cults that teaches.......if we understand and believe that God both supplies and maintains our salvation, that this GRACE will cause us to run wild and live like the devil.
And people who do not understand salvation, and those who are not really born again yet play a christian game with themselves, will never understand that when you as a believer come to the place of knowing what God has literally done for you.. thru Christ.... that this Holy Blood of Jesus, that is God's blood shed for your sin so that you can always be certain of heaven as your home........this causes you to love God more, and want to serve Him more, and more and more.
This amazing Grace of God is His mercy that is new every morning..
Its when you are under the wrong understanding of Salvation, and are trying to keep yourself saved.......this is the place of no joy, no power, no prayers answered......its just bitter self effort failure, and endless condemnation.. and guilt.
But , thank you Jesus !!!.....when you as a believer find real faith, as....>"God's Grace that is your Salvation that can never be changed.......this RELIEF and this JOY that it brings to know the truth.... sets you free.... and is where power is found, is where anointing and impact for ministry is found.
Here is a wonder....... If you are called into God's service, then do this...... Just talk about the grace of God, and the Cross of Christ...... Just position those as the core of everything you teach, ....and then watch God work.
You will be amazed.
This bring to mind a story.
Starting In 1991 and for a few yrs , i was involved in Seminary..... yet, i didn't really understand the Spirit Realm.
I didnt at that time understand that everything that we are dealing with, is usually involved in that aspect, in some regard.
At that time the words in the NT were sweet to me and good to me, but not quite endless revelation.
I was working at that time, at MONSANTO, as a industrial draftsman.
Every day, i would go to the "canteen", which is the "Monsanto" word for Cafeteria, and sit down in a room full of men and women, among about 60 people.
I had my brown bag lunch, and i would take out my New Testament, and read it, while i ate.......... this was a 40 min lunch.
And every day i did this........the room would change......the atmosphere in the room.......as soon as that Bible was opened.
I would see this happen.......People started shifting, scratching, it would get quiet,.......then it would become a buzz of strangeness.
Why?
Because the word of God, is ALIVE, And it is so powerful, so convicting.....so TRUE, that it cause darkness to want to get away..... to run.
Notice that when Jesus was dealing with the demoniac,,.... the Demons were begging Jesus...
You beg on your knees, and that was what they were doing, in the Demoniac.....They were begging Jesus not to harm them..
That is how Demons react to God on this earth. And this same power is in the Bible, and is found in the Preaching of the Cross.
Its impossible for the word of God to come back, or remain, void. Its living......This word, and it has supernatural power that affects darkness.
All i had to do was take the Bible out, and each day the room shook because that Word of God, is a sword, and a Light, and the power of RIGHTEOUSNESS that is The Truth.
"thy WORD is TRUTH"....and this Truth is LIGHT.
God is so good.
Having the right mind that understands that the blood of Jesus that started our salvation, always keeps us saved, allows us to rest from trying to be accepted, and gives us the Grace that is our power to live holy.
Philippians 1:6
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The "Joy of the Lord, is our Strength".
For those who understand Salvation as God's Gift that keeps us as righteous as He is, at all times, we found out that this allows us to REST in the Peace of God.
This Rest is JOY and its power and its deliverance....
There is a queer, devil inspired idea within some fake christian cults that teaches.......if we understand and believe that God both supplies and maintains our salvation, that this GRACE will cause us to run wild and live like the devil.
And people who do not understand salvation, and those who are not really born again yet play a christian game with themselves, will never understand that when you as a believer come to the place of knowing what God has literally done for you.. thru Christ.... that this Holy Blood of Jesus, that is God's blood shed for your sin so that you can always be certain of heaven as your home........this causes you to love God more, and want to serve Him more, and more and more.
This amazing Grace of God is His mercy that is new every morning..
Its when you are under the wrong understanding of Salvation, and are trying to keep yourself saved.......this is the place of no joy, no power, no prayers answered......its just bitter self effort failure, and endless condemnation.. and guilt.
But , thank you Jesus !!!.....when you as a believer find real faith, as....>"God's Grace that is your Salvation that can never be changed.......this RELIEF and this JOY that it brings to know the truth.... sets you free.... and is where power is found, is where anointing and impact for ministry is found.
Here is a wonder....... If you are called into God's service, then do this...... Just talk about the grace of God, and the Cross of Christ...... Just position those as the core of everything you teach, ....and then watch God work.
You will be amazed.
This bring to mind a story.
Starting In 1991 and for a few yrs , i was involved in Seminary..... yet, i didn't really understand the Spirit Realm.
I didnt at that time understand that everything that we are dealing with, is usually involved in that aspect, in some regard.
At that time the words in the NT were sweet to me and good to me, but not quite endless revelation.
I was working at that time, at MONSANTO, as a industrial draftsman.
Every day, i would go to the "canteen", which is the "Monsanto" word for Cafeteria, and sit down in a room full of men and women, among about 60 people.
I had my brown bag lunch, and i would take out my New Testament, and read it, while i ate.......... this was a 40 min lunch.
And every day i did this........the room would change......the atmosphere in the room.......as soon as that Bible was opened.
I would see this happen.......People started shifting, scratching, it would get quiet,.......then it would become a buzz of strangeness.
Why?
Because the word of God, is ALIVE, And it is so powerful, so convicting.....so TRUE, that it cause darkness to want to get away..... to run.
Notice that when Jesus was dealing with the demoniac,,.... the Demons were begging Jesus...
You beg on your knees, and that was what they were doing, in the Demoniac.....They were begging Jesus not to harm them..
That is how Demons react to God on this earth. And this same power is in the Bible, and is found in the Preaching of the Cross.
Its impossible for the word of God to come back, or remain, void. Its living......This word, and it has supernatural power that affects darkness.
All i had to do was take the Bible out, and each day the room shook because that Word of God, is a sword, and a Light, and the power of RIGHTEOUSNESS that is The Truth.
"thy WORD is TRUTH"....and this Truth is LIGHT.
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To teach that the born again can lose Christ...... who is in them, is the devil's doctrine.
See, its a. Hebrews 13:9 .. "doctrine of devils' to teach that Christ will leave you, when He promised that : "I will never leave you or forsake you".
Hebrews 13:5
How could He? He is JOINED TO THE SPIRIT OF THE PERSON, as "One with GOD, In Christ".
So, when you teach the lie that a Born again Believer can "no longer have eternal life", then you are denying Christ's words, as Jesus Himself said He would never leave you or forsake you".
And the heretic says....>>."but what if the believer is not a good person, and does not obsess on keeping commandments"..
And God said.....>"if you come to me believing in my SON, i will give you Eternal life"< "and i will never leave you or forsake you".
Jesus then says....>"no MAN is able to take them (the born again) from my hand"........
And that means the PERSON themselves.....
See, here is what the heretic can never understand......."CHRIST IN YOU">......is not about your behavior.
Christ in you, is only related to God's Salvation that is a GIFT, .......that is given to "all who call on the name of Jesus'"", and a part of that Gift, is Eternal Life, and Jesus Himself is THE Eternal Life.
If you have Jesus in you, then you have Eternal LIFE. (born again).
Jesus will never leave you, if you are born again......thats His promise.
So, when you hear a devil led heretic telling you that Jesus will leave you......( you can lose your salvation and your eternal life). then know that this heretic is against the word of God, and is a Cross denier, and is a enemy of the Grace of God.
To teach that the born again can lose Christ...... who is in them, is the devil's doctrine.
See, its a. Hebrews 13:9 .. "doctrine of devils' to teach that Christ will leave you, when He promised that : "I will never leave you or forsake you".
Hebrews 13:5
How could He? He is JOINED TO THE SPIRIT OF THE PERSON, as "One with GOD, In Christ".
So, when you teach the lie that a Born again Believer can "no longer have eternal life", then you are denying Christ's words, as Jesus Himself said He would never leave you or forsake you".
And the heretic says....>>."but what if the believer is not a good person, and does not obsess on keeping commandments"..
And God said.....>"if you come to me believing in my SON, i will give you Eternal life"< "and i will never leave you or forsake you".
Jesus then says....>"no MAN is able to take them (the born again) from my hand"........
And that means the PERSON themselves.....
See, here is what the heretic can never understand......."CHRIST IN YOU">......is not about your behavior.
Christ in you, is only related to God's Salvation that is a GIFT, .......that is given to "all who call on the name of Jesus'"", and a part of that Gift, is Eternal Life, and Jesus Himself is THE Eternal Life.
If you have Jesus in you, then you have Eternal LIFE. (born again).
Jesus will never leave you, if you are born again......thats His promise.
So, when you hear a devil led heretic telling you that Jesus will leave you......( you can lose your salvation and your eternal life). then know that this heretic is against the word of God, and is a Cross denier, and is a enemy of the Grace of God.
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Wrong again. Seems to be a habitual issue with you.
Not only did i post the same verse 2x to you, and quoted it, i even gave you the number of the Post.
And you still lie and say i never posted a verse, to you.
So, you need to get yourself together, justpassinthrough.
C'mon now........you can do better.
Not only did i post the same verse 2x to you, and quoted it, i even gave you the number of the Post.
And you still lie and say i never posted a verse, to you.
So, you need to get yourself together, justpassinthrough.
C'mon now........you can do better.
My friend your post is astounding if we were face to face I would shake your hand you have the right mind and heart fitting of a follower of Christ and your testimony of his word is absolutely true I haven't told many people this but when I was a new believer I experienced the supernatural and the spiritual far more than I do now and since I experience them often now that is saying a lot but I used to sit on my bed as a new believer and one day I opened it up and just placed my hand on it when suddenly I saw it come to life the power and love of God flowed through each page in waves and fire was suddenly engulfing it then my eyes became as fire as well as if they were made of fire.
So I can attest how alive his word is because I too have seen it's life in action
So I can attest how alive his word is because I too have seen it's life in action
The Living word of God.
Psalm 138:2. ...>""" for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name""""
Jesus is the Light of the World, and we the born again, who exist as...>"Translated FROM..darkness..>TO Light"...... now exist in the Kingdom of God,....as born again Children of the Light.
The reason God tells us to be in the world but not OF the world, is because even tho our bodies live down here, our SPIRIT exists in God already.
And THAT knowledge is the TRUTH .
Most believers are worried about their behavior, when they should be rejoicing that they already exist in Heaven, in Spiritual Union with God's Spirit.
When they learn to SEE THIS.... when they get the revelation of who they have become as a""" New Creation"""then everything changes. Lives become TRANSFORMED.
God is "A" Spirit..... THE Holy Spirit, and we the born again, have been spiritually united with God's Holy Spirit.
"Christ in you", and the born again "In Christ">..... This is Spiritual UNION.. "ONENESS".
Jesus said.... in John 17:23...."""I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in ONE"
= This is the real us........this is what it means to be SAVED......born again. and "Seated in Heavenly Places IN Christ".
Psalm 138:2. ...>""" for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name""""
Jesus is the Light of the World, and we the born again, who exist as...>"Translated FROM..darkness..>TO Light"...... now exist in the Kingdom of God,....as born again Children of the Light.
The reason God tells us to be in the world but not OF the world, is because even tho our bodies live down here, our SPIRIT exists in God already.
And THAT knowledge is the TRUTH .
Most believers are worried about their behavior, when they should be rejoicing that they already exist in Heaven, in Spiritual Union with God's Spirit.
When they learn to SEE THIS.... when they get the revelation of who they have become as a""" New Creation"""then everything changes. Lives become TRANSFORMED.
God is "A" Spirit..... THE Holy Spirit, and we the born again, have been spiritually united with God's Holy Spirit.
"Christ in you", and the born again "In Christ">..... This is Spiritual UNION.. "ONENESS".
Jesus said.... in John 17:23...."""I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in ONE"
= This is the real us........this is what it means to be SAVED......born again. and "Seated in Heavenly Places IN Christ".
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