God didn't think it robbery to be equal to Himself

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StoneThrower

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Bibelehub (Strongs) says something different to BibleGateway (teknia) but BOTH of them agree that the sentence means Jesus didn't grasp for equality.


{To be on an
equality with God} (\to einai isa theoi\). Accusative articular
infinitive object of \hˆgˆsato\, "the being equal with God"
(associative instrumental case \the“i\ after \isa\). \Isa\ is
adverbial use of neuter plural with \einai\ as in Re 21:16.
{Emptied himself} (\heauton eken“se\). First aorist active
indicative of \keno“\, old verb from \kenos\, empty. Of what did
Christ empty himself? Not of his divine nature. That was
impossible. He continued to be the Son of God. There has arisen a
great controversy on this word, a \Kenosis\ doctrine. Undoubtedly
Christ gave up his environment of glory. He took upon himself
limitations of place (space) and of knowledge and of power,
though still on earth retaining more of these than any mere man.
It is here that men should show restraint and modesty, though it
is hard to believe that Jesus limited himself by error of
knowledge and certainly not by error of conduct. He was without
sin, though tempted as we are. "He stripped himself of the
insignia of majesty" (Lightfoot).
 

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Or perhaps what Paul meant was that Jesus was subsisting, by the form of God, an equally valid outlook on the text, and what he emtpied from himself was haughtiness and any thinking that he could be God, which would be validated easily by the obvious instances wherein Jesus calls God in the third person and the several moments wherein Jesus says things to distinguish himself from God, like 'Why do you call me good? None are good except for God'.

That translation makes much more sense, looking at the bible from an outside standpoint and being someone not indoctrinated into trinitarian viewpoints.

All I'm saying is that it is possible to read the bible and come to different conclusions than yours.
If this was the case he did a pretty poor job at emptying Himself at being haughty or grasping at being God since He clearly received worship from others...something only due to God.
No one said that Christ was being haughty or grasping.
I guess your grasp on English comprehension isn't that good after all.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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I guess your grasp on English comprehension isn't that good after all.

it is interesting that the jewish leaders tried to stone Christ numerous times for blasphemy as they understood Christ considered himself God.
 

crossnote

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No one said anything about the Son being apart from God.
The Son being deity by imputation, as you put it, implies a time when He was not God. Or are you going to say he was eternally 'imputed' to be God. If so, you are living in a non biblical dream world.
 
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All you are doing is attempting to confine the full scope of the word μορφῇ into your limited definition.
Fantasy is no basis for the definition of words. My dictionary is how words are used in the Bible and, secondarily, in other ancient Greek or Hebrew texts. That's obviously not good enough for you.

It's funny how you have been pretending to translate Philippians 2:6 without expressing a single intelligent thought on the meaning of words.
 
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it is interesting that the jewish leaders tried to stone Christ numerous times for blasphemy as they understood Christ considered himself God.
I also consider the Son to be God, not because of His eternal, infinite, god-like nature, but only because the Father, who is truly God, has granted His Son that privilege.
 

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Fantasy is no basis for the definition of words. My dictionary is how words are used in the Bible and, secondarily, in other ancient Greek or Hebrew texts. That's obviously not good enough for you.

It's funny how you have been pretending to translate Philippians 2:6 without expressing a single intelligent thought on the meaning of words.
Please do not bother me any more. You simply are not worth my time.
 
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Millerites expect the world and apostate Christians to hate them. You're going to have to try a lot harder to fulfill prophecy.
 
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Fantasy is no basis for the definition of words. My dictionary is how words are used in the Bible and, secondarily, in other ancient Greek or Hebrew texts. That's obviously not good enough for you.

It's funny how you have been pretending to translate Philippians 2:6 without expressing a single intelligent thought on the meaning of words.
Unanswerable.
 

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I also consider the Son to be God, not because of His eternal, infinite, god-like nature, but only because the Father, who is truly God, has granted His Son that privilege.
What kind of God is that? Either one is eternally God or not God at all...one doesn't 'become' God.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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I also consider the Son to be God, not because of His eternal, infinite, god-like nature, but only because the Father, who is truly God, has granted His Son that privilege.
Then you deny Jesus own words.

Before abraham existed, I existed.

How can jesus exist before abraham unless he was God..
 
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What kind of God is that? Either one is eternally God or not God at all...one doesn't 'become' God.
What kind of Christian is only declared righteous by God but isn't really?
 
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eternally-gratefull

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What kind of Christian is only declared righteous by God but isn't really?
Non,

Men claim this Not God

What Gods declairs righteous is righteous. No matter what man says