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okay, i read all of your post.
thanks for writing.
no, you never believed as i believe.
if you had, you would never have departed.
i'm sorry you were taught wrongly.
i don't know what this "living in fear.....burning in hell with the jews" is about.
all who reject the Son are condemned.
Matthew 1:21
She will give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus, because he will save his people from their sins."
now you have joined yourself to the builders...who rejected the Chief Cornerstone.
Acts 4
11"He is the STONE WHICH WAS REJECTED by you, THE BUILDERS, but WHICH BECAME THE CHIEF CORNER stone. 12"And there is salvation in no one else; for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved."
you never understood Who Jesus is.
...
Isaiah 6:1
In the year that King Uzziah died, I saw the Lord, high and exalted, seated on a throne; and the train of his robe filled the temple.
John 12
The Outcome of Jesus’ Public Ministry Foretold
37Although Jesus had performed so many miraculous signs before them, they still refused to believe in him, 38so that the word of Isaiah the prophet would be fulfilled. He said, “Lord, who has believed our message, and to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?” 39For this reason they could not believe, because again Isaiah said,
40“He has blinded their eyes
and hardened their heart,
so that they would not see with their eyes
and understand with their heart,
and turn to me, and I would heal them.”
41Isaiah said these things because he saw Christ’s glory, and spoke about him.
42Nevertheless, even among the rulers many believed in him, but because of the Pharisees they would not confess Jesus to be the Christ, so that they would not be put out of the synagogue. 43For they loved praise from men more than praise from God.
Jesus’ Final Public Words
44But Jesus shouted out, “The one who believes in me does not believe in me, but in the one who sent me, 45and the one who sees me sees the one who sent me. 46I have come as a light into the world, so that everyone who believes in me should not remain in darkness. 47If anyone hears my words and does not obey them, I do not judge him. For I have not come to judge the world, but to save the world. 48The one who rejects me and does not accept my words has a judge; the word I have spoken will judge him at the last day.
Selihah....do you ever wonder if you made a mistake?
zone.
thanks for writing.
no, you never believed as i believe.
if you had, you would never have departed.
i'm sorry you were taught wrongly.
i don't know what this "living in fear.....burning in hell with the jews" is about.
all who reject the Son are condemned.
Matthew 1:21
She will give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus, because he will save his people from their sins."
now you have joined yourself to the builders...who rejected the Chief Cornerstone.
Acts 4
11"He is the STONE WHICH WAS REJECTED by you, THE BUILDERS, but WHICH BECAME THE CHIEF CORNER stone. 12"And there is salvation in no one else; for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved."
you never understood Who Jesus is.
...
Isaiah 6:1
In the year that King Uzziah died, I saw the Lord, high and exalted, seated on a throne; and the train of his robe filled the temple.
John 12
The Outcome of Jesus’ Public Ministry Foretold
37Although Jesus had performed so many miraculous signs before them, they still refused to believe in him, 38so that the word of Isaiah the prophet would be fulfilled. He said, “Lord, who has believed our message, and to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?” 39For this reason they could not believe, because again Isaiah said,
40“He has blinded their eyes
and hardened their heart,
so that they would not see with their eyes
and understand with their heart,
and turn to me, and I would heal them.”
41Isaiah said these things because he saw Christ’s glory, and spoke about him.
42Nevertheless, even among the rulers many believed in him, but because of the Pharisees they would not confess Jesus to be the Christ, so that they would not be put out of the synagogue. 43For they loved praise from men more than praise from God.
Jesus’ Final Public Words
44But Jesus shouted out, “The one who believes in me does not believe in me, but in the one who sent me, 45and the one who sees me sees the one who sent me. 46I have come as a light into the world, so that everyone who believes in me should not remain in darkness. 47If anyone hears my words and does not obey them, I do not judge him. For I have not come to judge the world, but to save the world. 48The one who rejects me and does not accept my words has a judge; the word I have spoken will judge him at the last day.
Selihah....do you ever wonder if you made a mistake?
zone.
It is my understanding that God made the covenant with the line of Abraham and the mixed multitude of others who came out of Egypt. This mixed multitude I believe are those who desire to sojourn with Israel and God has said He sees no difference between them and the native born. Assuming you are not of the stock of Abraham (native born) they could have been your ancestors zone, who knows? The covenant was the one spoken of in Chapter 4 of Deuteronomy which in a nut shell is Gods instruction given to His people. It is His Torah a.k.a. instruction, wisdom, teaching, laws on how to live in the land they were to be given, a constitution if you will. The covenant is basically obey and live a long and prosperous life. Disobey God's torah and they were warned they would be booted and scattered throughout the earth.
Jeremiah 31
A New Covenant
31"Behold, days are coming," declares the LORD, "when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah, 32not like the covenant which I made with their fathers in the day I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, although I was a husband to them," declares the LORD. 33"But this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days," declares the LORD, "I will put My law within them and on their heart I will write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people
Jeremiah 31 does mention that Israel broke the covenant God made with their fathers when they stopped listening to and obeying God's Torah. And as we can read elsewhere true to His word God scattered them abroad. But as I wrote earlier Jeremiah tells us exactly what the new covenant will be in the coming dayys. That God had not issued a new never heard before law, but He is going to impress His ancient divine law on our hearts, that it never should be forgotten throughout all time.
Am I waiting? Waiting for what? Animal sacrifice to start again? No, it is my understanding that according to the book of Leviticus sacrifice was never a requirement, it was a free will offering and only offered for unintentional sin. God has said there is no sacrifice that could ever cover willful intentional sin. Also not one prophet ever mentioned the need for blood for forgiveness before Israel could return and follow God's ways. I mentioned previously God gave me the words to say that takes the place of bulls. I ask Him to forgive me and learn to walk in His ways and He will forgive me.
Am I waiting for God to impress His Torah upon my heart? Not anymore. Are we in those coming days? Inquiring minds want to know
Ever read Matthew 5? I'm sure you have. Now there are some wonderful words of wisdom spoken by Yeshua. But it wasn't anything new, God spoke His Torah long before Jesus was born. Jesus was IMO simply teaching the ways of OUR Father, because you can find pretty much the same thing already written in Leviticus 19.
I was once a christian believing as you. Because thats how I was raised from birth, never questioning just assuming what I was told was true and told thats what I'm supposed to be, living in fear because otherwise I would burn in hell with the jews <lol>. Now having read things for myself using prayer, my own brain, critical thinking skills and help from others with my understanding of the Hebrew text. I have come to the conclusion Yehovah is my savior and redeemer.
sorry got off track.
Jeremiah 31
A New Covenant
31"Behold, days are coming," declares the LORD, "when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah, 32not like the covenant which I made with their fathers in the day I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, although I was a husband to them," declares the LORD. 33"But this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days," declares the LORD, "I will put My law within them and on their heart I will write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people
Jeremiah 31 does mention that Israel broke the covenant God made with their fathers when they stopped listening to and obeying God's Torah. And as we can read elsewhere true to His word God scattered them abroad. But as I wrote earlier Jeremiah tells us exactly what the new covenant will be in the coming dayys. That God had not issued a new never heard before law, but He is going to impress His ancient divine law on our hearts, that it never should be forgotten throughout all time.
Am I waiting? Waiting for what? Animal sacrifice to start again? No, it is my understanding that according to the book of Leviticus sacrifice was never a requirement, it was a free will offering and only offered for unintentional sin. God has said there is no sacrifice that could ever cover willful intentional sin. Also not one prophet ever mentioned the need for blood for forgiveness before Israel could return and follow God's ways. I mentioned previously God gave me the words to say that takes the place of bulls. I ask Him to forgive me and learn to walk in His ways and He will forgive me.
Am I waiting for God to impress His Torah upon my heart? Not anymore. Are we in those coming days? Inquiring minds want to know
Ever read Matthew 5? I'm sure you have. Now there are some wonderful words of wisdom spoken by Yeshua. But it wasn't anything new, God spoke His Torah long before Jesus was born. Jesus was IMO simply teaching the ways of OUR Father, because you can find pretty much the same thing already written in Leviticus 19.
I was once a christian believing as you. Because thats how I was raised from birth, never questioning just assuming what I was told was true and told thats what I'm supposed to be, living in fear because otherwise I would burn in hell with the jews <lol>. Now having read things for myself using prayer, my own brain, critical thinking skills and help from others with my understanding of the Hebrew text. I have come to the conclusion Yehovah is my savior and redeemer.
sorry got off track.
to further my understanding of your journey, could you tell me about the help you got from others?
what others?
did you go into the Hebrew Roots Movement/Sacred Name Movement initially - or anything similar?
i'm not going to argue it with you...it's just really helpful (for me) to know.
would you mind even a few details? no need to name specific groups or persons.
thank you.
zone
Now, as an atheist, if I asked a person that particular question, it would be interpreted as mocking. You don't seriously believe that a person can get direct answers to particular questions directed at God? If this were the case I would want to write the definitive biography on Jesus' childhood, and I have a series of questions I need to ask such a person. Do you see the problem? A person claiming such abilities could come up with all sorts of revelations and then write their own Book of New Revelations. This is what the Gnostics claimed, and today we posses quite a library of Gnostic works that no one today puts any trust in. Interestingly, Paul, himself claimed direct revelation from God and one of the leading Gnostics of the day claimed his own teacher's instructor was none other than Paul himself.
Any comments?
Any comments?
my comments are - God is not revealing NEW THINGS to people today.
everything He has decided to tell us - in words - He has already recorded.
He can be known to exist simply by looking at nature. (we also know He exists through our consciences - that includes you).
He has spoken directly to us in His WORD.
The Holy Spirit confirms it is truth. you can not arrive at that conclusion without THAT being revealed (veracity).
God spoke through prophets; and inspired the apostles (Paul included) - they were receiving God's revealed will in real time.
that is not happening today.
His Word is where we listen to what HE SAYS.
prayer is where we speak to Him about ourselves and others.
we see prayer worked out in our lives (or we do not....it doesn't mean He doesn't hear and act).
short answer - if someone tells you "God told me to tell you" - forget it, He didn't.
everything He has decided to tell us - in words - He has already recorded.
He can be known to exist simply by looking at nature. (we also know He exists through our consciences - that includes you).
He has spoken directly to us in His WORD.
The Holy Spirit confirms it is truth. you can not arrive at that conclusion without THAT being revealed (veracity).
God spoke through prophets; and inspired the apostles (Paul included) - they were receiving God's revealed will in real time.
that is not happening today.
His Word is where we listen to what HE SAYS.
prayer is where we speak to Him about ourselves and others.
we see prayer worked out in our lives (or we do not....it doesn't mean He doesn't hear and act).
short answer - if someone tells you "God told me to tell you" - forget it, He didn't.
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I don't know what this has to do with my question regarding your seeking direct confirmation about animal sacrifice in a future dialogue with God, but I'll run with it.
If simply looking at nature provided sufficient evidence for the existence of God then the Argument from Nature would head off all proofs for God’s existence. It would go like this: ‘Nature exists, therefore God exists. Period’. Of course the Sumerians might rephrase the argument: ‘Nature exists, therefore Marduk exists. Period.’ This is a problem for your argument, yes? Any people might claim the very existence of the world as proof for the existence of their creator god. On the other hand someone like myself would say that the existence of the world is proof that the Nebular Hypothesis is in some basic form correct.
So, in short, the existence of the world is really not proof of anything. The prerequisite to believing that nature is proof of God’s existence is itself Belief in God.
If simply looking at nature provided sufficient evidence for the existence of God then the Argument from Nature would head off all proofs for God’s existence. It would go like this: ‘Nature exists, therefore God exists. Period’. Of course the Sumerians might rephrase the argument: ‘Nature exists, therefore Marduk exists. Period.’ This is a problem for your argument, yes? Any people might claim the very existence of the world as proof for the existence of their creator god. On the other hand someone like myself would say that the existence of the world is proof that the Nebular Hypothesis is in some basic form correct.
So, in short, the existence of the world is really not proof of anything. The prerequisite to believing that nature is proof of God’s existence is itself Belief in God.
I don't know what this has to do with my question regarding your seeking direct confirmation about animal sacrifice in a future dialogue with God, but I'll run with it.
, since it's not in Scripture.translation: if someone is getting direct revelation, why can't they please ask God if He has this planned.
(He doesn't, and isn't giving anyone direct revelation about His Plans since they are already recorded).
no. reference:
Romans 1
God’s Wrath on Unrighteousness
18For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. 19For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. 20For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse.
21For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22Claiming to be wise, they became fools, 23and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things.
24Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, 25because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen.
26For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; 27and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.
28And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done. 29They were filled with all manner of unrighteousness, evil, covetousness, malice. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness. They are gossips, 30slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, 31foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32Though they know God’s decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them
there are no true atheists.
only people who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, refusing to acknowledge God.
many of us were like this at one time - but He is good to forgive...if we do not continue in such unbelief.
well, yes i know.
my late husband claimed the same thing.
do you think he was right?
are you sure?
he was the kindest; most generous and brilliant man i ever knew. a Prof.
open-minded; well educated; interested in all religions as studies in "human nature" - except Christianity...that one struck a nerve.
LOL.
Cycel, what caused the Big Bang?
what was behind it in space and time?
anything?
(this is my thread - open for all manner of things not related to the "weird title"
) - GO FOR IT.but...dat was mystic-dream-weaver Emanuel Swedenborg's puppy
...
In 1763, Immanuel Kant (1724–1804), then at the beginning of his career, was impressed by these accounts and made inquiries to find out if they were true. He also ordered all eight volumes of the expensive Arcana Cœlestia (Heavenly Arcana or Heavenly Mysteries). One Charlotte von Knobloch wrote Kant asking his opinion of Swedenborg’s psychic experiences.[113][114] Kant wrote a very affirmative reply, referring to Swedenborg's "miraculous" gift, and characterizing him as "reasonable, agreeable, remarkable and sincere" and "a scholar", in one of his letters to Mendelssohn,[115] and expressing regret that he (Kant) had never met Swedenborg.[116][117] An English friend who investigated the matter for Kant, including visiting Swedenborg’s home, found Swedenborg to be a "sensible, pleasant and openhearted" man and, here again, a scholar.[118]
However, three years later, in 1766, Kant wrote and anonymously published a small book entitled Träume eines Geistersehers (Dreams of a Spirit-Seer)[119] that was a scathing critique of Swedenborg and his writings. He termed Swedenborg a "spook hunter"[120] "without official office or occupation".[121] As rationale for his critique Kant said that he wanted to stop "ceaseless questioning”[122] and inquiries about Dreams from "inquisitive" persons, “both known and unknown",[123] and "importunate appeals from known and unknown friends",[124] as well as from "moon calves".[124] He also said he did not want to expose himself to ”mockery.”[125]
More significantly, he became concerned about being seen as an apologist for both Swedenborg and for Spiritism in the guise of the interest in Swedenborg,[126] which might have damaged his career.[127] Dreams was intended as a refutation of all such thinking.[128] This left Kant in the ironic or hypocritical position of trying to free himself of ridicule while at the same time applying ridicule to Swedenborg.[126]
(3) Kant's friend Moses Mendelssohn thought there was a "joking pensiveness" in Dreams that sometimes left the reader in doubt as to whether Dreams was meant to make "metaphysics laughable or spirit-seeking credible".[134]
Emanuel Swedenborg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Moses Mendelssohn (6 September 1729[1] – 4 January 1786) was a German Jewish philosopher to whose ideas the Haskalah (the 'Jewish enlightenment' of the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries) is indebted. Although himself a practicing orthodox Jew, he has been referred to as the father of Reform Judaism.[2]
Kant called this "the proclamation of a great reform, which, however, will be slow in manifestation and in progress, and which will affect not only your people but others as well." Mendelssohn asserted the pragmatic principle of the possible plurality of truths
Moses Mendelssohn - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
...
A further tilt in the direction of idealism is apparent in his rejection of the traditional definition of truth as an agreement of things with thoughts, on the ground that the copy (the thought) cannot be compared with original (the thing). Since thoughts can be compared with one another, he turns to them for a determination of truth, though it is not clear how this move can avoid idealism. At the same time, however, he contrasts certain truths consisting in the agreement of thoughts with themselves from actual truths, determined by adherence to principles of induction and analogy in addition to the principle of noncontradiction. The latter truths are truths about facts outside us or about a causal connection, though they are relative to certain factors: the number of sensations of a single sort that agree with one another, the number of different sorts of sensations that concur, and the number of times our assessment agrees with those of others, of other species, and of even “higher entities” (Gesammelte Schriften, 3/2, pp. 15f, 54f, 59). Echoing Descartes, Mendelssohn maintains that demonstration of God's existence is necessary to certify the actual existence of things outside us....
...In keeping with these advancing suspicions about the origin and the efficacy of the issue over idealism and dualism (realism), Mendelssohn eventually comes to assign reason a mediating role in disputes between common sense and speculation. Common sense is usually but not invariably right, he contends, and hence reason's task is to present a defense of speculation when it departs from common sense. (This appeal to reason to mediate and, if necessary, to rein in speculation also plays a significant role in Mendelssohn's account of a “refined” or “purified” pantheism in Morning Hours. On this point, see below “8. Controversy with Jacobi over Lessing's alleged pantheism”)...."
Moses Mendelssohn
Moses Mendelssohn (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy)
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so my thought is...why all the noise about proving God doesn't exist?
just look at that stuff
even the "atheist" Spinoza weren't an athesist
...
In 1763, Immanuel Kant (1724–1804), then at the beginning of his career, was impressed by these accounts and made inquiries to find out if they were true. He also ordered all eight volumes of the expensive Arcana Cœlestia (Heavenly Arcana or Heavenly Mysteries). One Charlotte von Knobloch wrote Kant asking his opinion of Swedenborg’s psychic experiences.[113][114] Kant wrote a very affirmative reply, referring to Swedenborg's "miraculous" gift, and characterizing him as "reasonable, agreeable, remarkable and sincere" and "a scholar", in one of his letters to Mendelssohn,[115] and expressing regret that he (Kant) had never met Swedenborg.[116][117] An English friend who investigated the matter for Kant, including visiting Swedenborg’s home, found Swedenborg to be a "sensible, pleasant and openhearted" man and, here again, a scholar.[118]
However
, three years later, in 1766, Kant wrote and anonymously published a small book entitled Träume eines Geistersehers (Dreams of a Spirit-Seer)[119] that was a scathing critique of Swedenborg and his writings. He termed Swedenborg a "spook hunter"[120] "without official office or occupation".[121] As rationale for his critique Kant said that he wanted to stop "ceaseless questioning”[122] and inquiries about Dreams from "inquisitive" persons, “both known and unknown",[123] and "importunate appeals from known and unknown friends",[124] as well as from "moon calves".[124] He also said he did not want to expose himself to ”mockery.”[125]More significantly, he became concerned about being seen as an apologist for both Swedenborg and for Spiritism in the guise of the interest in Swedenborg,[126] which might have damaged his career.[127] Dreams was intended as a refutation of all such thinking.[128] This left Kant in the ironic or hypocritical position of trying to free himself of ridicule while at the same time applying ridicule to Swedenborg.[126]
(3) Kant's friend Moses Mendelssohn thought there was a "joking pensiveness" in Dreams that sometimes left the reader in doubt as to whether Dreams was meant to make "metaphysics laughable or spirit-seeking credible".[134]
Emanuel Swedenborg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
...
Moses Mendelssohn (6 September 1729[1] – 4 January 1786) was a German Jewish philosopher to whose ideas the Haskalah (the 'Jewish enlightenment' of the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries) is indebted. Although himself a practicing orthodox Jew, he has been referred to as the father of Reform Judaism.[2]
Kant called this "the proclamation of a great reform, which, however, will be slow in manifestation and in progress, and which will affect not only your people but others as well." Mendelssohn asserted the pragmatic principle of the possible plurality of truths
Moses Mendelssohn - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
...
A further tilt in the direction of idealism is apparent in his rejection of the traditional definition of truth as an agreement of things with thoughts, on the ground that the copy (the thought) cannot be compared with original (the thing). Since thoughts can be compared with one another, he turns to them for a determination of truth, though it is not clear how this move can avoid idealism. At the same time, however, he contrasts certain truths consisting in the agreement of thoughts with themselves from actual truths, determined by adherence to principles of induction and analogy in addition to the principle of noncontradiction. The latter truths are truths about facts outside us or about a causal connection, though they are relative to certain factors: the number of sensations of a single sort that agree with one another, the number of different sorts of sensations that concur, and the number of times our assessment agrees with those of others, of other species, and of even “higher entities” (Gesammelte Schriften, 3/2, pp. 15f, 54f, 59). Echoing Descartes, Mendelssohn maintains that demonstration of God's existence is necessary to certify the actual existence of things outside us....
...In keeping with these advancing suspicions about the origin and the efficacy of the issue over idealism and dualism (realism), Mendelssohn eventually comes to assign reason a mediating role in disputes between common sense and speculation. Common sense is usually but not invariably right, he contends, and hence reason's task is to present a defense of speculation when it departs from common sense. (This appeal to reason to mediate and, if necessary, to rein in speculation also plays a significant role in Mendelssohn's account of a “refined” or “purified” pantheism in Morning Hours. On this point, see below “8. Controversy with Jacobi over Lessing's alleged pantheism”)...."
Moses Mendelssohn
Moses Mendelssohn (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy)
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so my thought is...why all the noise about proving God doesn't exist?
just look at that stuff
even the "atheist" Spinoza weren't an athesist
Zone, God just told me to tell you that God just love you, and to always start from there in discerning error from truth if you will.
Thanks
John 8:32 and you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”
any bondages in your way, that besets you, then you are not free yet you are growing in that direction thanks to his Son Jesus, the way the truth and the new life only found in and through Christ
If no bondages in the way then you are free, in the truth and Love permeates completely through you
Who is lying, God and me or just me? Love you deeply
Thanks
John 8:32 and you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”
any bondages in your way, that besets you, then you are not free yet you are growing in that direction thanks to his Son Jesus, the way the truth and the new life only found in and through Christ
If no bondages in the way then you are free, in the truth and Love permeates completely through you
Who is lying, God and me or just me? Love you deeply
I am not playing any games with you or anyone else Sister it is true that God not only Loves you, and me but for all if they will believe God , and whether anyone does or not it will, never make void what Christ has done for us all.
And not from Home , from God through Son, start from there, I am nothing more than a vessel to be used by God, made into a newspaper boy, not an editor
We have the message of reconciliation: Therefore God just love you and all.
Just loving you as God has shown me God's incredible Love done through Son
And not from Home , from God through Son, start from there, I am nothing more than a vessel to be used by God, made into a newspaper boy, not an editor
We have the message of reconciliation: Therefore God just love you and all.
Just loving you as God has shown me God's incredible Love done through Son