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be careful now - that sounds like the first resurrection
God has future animal sacrifices planned
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Why would I need to be careful, of course it sounds like the first resurrection, that's what it is. Are you among those that deny one and one are two concerning the death that Jesus died for evey man and our physical death(Heb.9.27, 2.9, Rev.2.11, 1 Cor.4.9)?
Right. . .because God has already made that decision. It's not a future "call" on his part.
You are presenting Heb 10:26 out of context. . .and a text without a context is a pretext.
Hebrews is addressed to Christian Hebrews who were thinking of returning to Judaism to avoid ostracization and persecution by their families and former friends.
Hebrews is to warn them (4:1-13, 6:4-6, 10:26, 12:14-28) that to give up their belief in Jesus to return to Judaism is to reject Christ,
and there can be no forgiveness while they remain in Judaism because they are rejecting Christ, the only remedy for sin,
and are like the condemned Jews who crucified him in unbelief and rejection of him (Heb 6:4-6).
Hebrews is stating the same principle in Heb 10:26--the continuing sin is the abandonment of the Christian fellowship for Judaism, and there is no forgiveness for sin against, unbelief in, the remedy
(Lev 17:15-16; Nu 15:30, 19:13, 35;26-27; Mt 12:31-32; Jn 3:36).
Heb 10:16 is not saying that sins of believers cannot be forgiven.
There is nothing indecisive about God's "call" on that matter.
His "call" is Heb 10:14--he has already "made perfect forever those whom he has sanctified" (set apart by faith, as his own).
You are presenting Heb 10:26 out of context. . .and a text without a context is a pretext.
Hebrews is addressed to Christian Hebrews who were thinking of returning to Judaism to avoid ostracization and persecution by their families and former friends.
Hebrews is to warn them (4:1-13, 6:4-6, 10:26, 12:14-28) that to give up their belief in Jesus to return to Judaism is to reject Christ,
and there can be no forgiveness while they remain in Judaism because they are rejecting Christ, the only remedy for sin,
and are like the condemned Jews who crucified him in unbelief and rejection of him (Heb 6:4-6).
Hebrews is stating the same principle in Heb 10:26--the continuing sin is the abandonment of the Christian fellowship for Judaism, and there is no forgiveness for sin against, unbelief in, the remedy
(Lev 17:15-16; Nu 15:30, 19:13, 35;26-27; Mt 12:31-32; Jn 3:36).
Heb 10:16 is not saying that sins of believers cannot be forgiven.
There is nothing indecisive about God's "call" on that matter.
His "call" is Heb 10:14--he has already "made perfect forever those whom he has sanctified" (set apart by faith, as his own).
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You continually rebutt what I did not say! I am fully aware of what Heb.10.16 does not say, but you seem to be assuming that ALL are sanctified, when Heb.10.14 does not say that, so you are guilty of what you are accusing me of. If you are positive that God has made a solid decision concerning animal sacrafice, I am wondering why you have to fill in so many of your own words, which Jer.23.35-37 frowns on. If you will go back over my posts, you will see I only quote scripture and aske questions. Try not to be so defensive, it does not serve any good purpose.
Sister Zone when did this take place in the bible ??? please answer
Zechariah 14
All Nations will Worship the King
16And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles. 17And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain. 18And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles. 19This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
20In that day shall there be upon the bells of the horses, HOLINESS UNTO THE LORD; and the pots in the LORD'S house shall be like the bowls before the altar. 21Yea, every pot in Jerusalem and in Judah shall be holiness unto the LORD of hosts: and all they that sacrifice shall come and take of them, and seethe therein: and in that day there shall be no more the Canaanite in the house of the LORD of hosts.
As always God bless
Zechariah 14
All Nations will Worship the King
16And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles. 17And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain. 18And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles. 19This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
20In that day shall there be upon the bells of the horses, HOLINESS UNTO THE LORD; and the pots in the LORD'S house shall be like the bowls before the altar. 21Yea, every pot in Jerusalem and in Judah shall be holiness unto the LORD of hosts: and all they that sacrifice shall come and take of them, and seethe therein: and in that day there shall be no more the Canaanite in the house of the LORD of hosts.
As always God bless
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Am I understanding that you are saying that the first resurrection has occurred? Maybe I have misunderstood.
1 John 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is the devil;
"The last enemy to be destroyed is death" . . . . The one who has the power of death is the devil. . .the last enemy to be destroyed is death, i.e. the devil - when he is thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone.
Maybe you would like to start a thread on this subject so as not to totally derail this thread?
1 John 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is the devil;
"The last enemy to be destroyed is death" . . . . The one who has the power of death is the devil. . .the last enemy to be destroyed is death, i.e. the devil - when he is thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone.
Maybe you would like to start a thread on this subject so as not to totally derail this thread?
Sister Zone when did this take place in the bible ??? please answer
Zechariah 14
All Nations will Worship the King
16And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles. 17And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain. 18And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles. 19This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
20In that day shall there be upon the bells of the horses, HOLINESS UNTO THE LORD; and the pots in the LORD'S house shall be like the bowls before the altar. 21Yea, every pot in Jerusalem and in Judah shall be holiness unto the LORD of hosts: and all they that sacrifice shall come and take of them, and seethe therein: and in that day there shall be no more the Canaanite in the house of the LORD of hosts.
As always God bless
Zechariah 14
All Nations will Worship the King
16And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles. 17And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain. 18And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles. 19This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
20In that day shall there be upon the bells of the horses, HOLINESS UNTO THE LORD; and the pots in the LORD'S house shall be like the bowls before the altar. 21Yea, every pot in Jerusalem and in Judah shall be holiness unto the LORD of hosts: and all they that sacrifice shall come and take of them, and seethe therein: and in that day there shall be no more the Canaanite in the house of the LORD of hosts.
As always God bless
hi Vic.
1Still showed me this. please take the time to check it out.
Zechariah having been written before Nehemiah and Ezra, confirmed by them.
it is predicting the return from Babylon to rebuild; the opposition they faced; and is saying the same thing said here, by King Artaxerxes (Ezra 7):
"And you, Ezra, in accordance with the wisdom of your God, which you possess, appoint magistrates and judges to administer justice to all the people of Trans-Euphrates—all who know the laws of your God. And you are to teach any who do not know them. 26Whoever does not obey the law of your God and the law of the king must surely be punished by death, banishment, confiscation of property, or imprisonment."
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Zechariah 14
16Then the survivors from all the nations that have attacked Jerusalem will go up year after year to worship the King, the Lord Almighty, and to celebrate the Festival of Tabernacles. 17If any of the peoples of the earth do not go up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord Almighty, they will have no rain. 18If the Egyptian people do not go up and take part, they will have no rain. The Lordb will bring on them the plague he inflicts on the nations that do not go up to celebrate the Festival of Tabernacles. 19This will be the punishment of Egypt and the punishment of all the nations that do not go up to celebrate the Festival of Tabernacles.
Nehemiah 8
13On the second day of the month, the heads of all the families, along with the priests and the Levites, gathered around Ezra the teacher to give attention to the words of the Law. 14They found written in the Law, which the Lord had commanded through Moses, that the Israelites were to live in temporary shelters during the festival of the seventh month 15and that they should proclaim this word and spread it throughout their towns and in Jerusalem: “Go out into the hill country and bring back branches from olive and wild olive trees, and from myrtles, palms and shade trees, to make temporary shelters”—as it is written.
16So the people went out and brought back branches and built themselves temporary shelters on their own roofs, in their courtyards, in the courts of the house of God and in the square by the Water Gate and the one by the Gate of Ephraim. 17The whole company that had returned from exile built temporary shelters and lived in them. From the days of Joshua son of Nun until that day, the Israelites had not celebrated it like this. And their joy was very great.
18Day after day, from the first day to the last, Ezra read from the Book of the Law of God. They celebrated the festival for seven days, and on the eighth day, in accordance with the regulation, there was an assembly.
Ezra 7
Ezra Comes to Jerusalem
King Artaxerxes’ Letter to Ezra
21Now I, King Artaxerxes, decree that all the treasurers of Trans-Euphrates are to provide with diligence whatever Ezra the priest, the teacher of the Law of the God of heaven, may ask of you— 22up to a hundred talentsa of silver, a hundred corsb of wheat, a hundred bathsc of wine, a hundred bathsd of olive oil, and salt without limit. 23Whatever the God of heaven has prescribed, let it be done with diligence for the temple of the God of heaven. Why should his wrath fall on the realm of the king and of his sons? 24You are also to know that you have no authority to impose taxes, tribute or duty on any of the priests, Levites, musicians, gatekeepers, temple servants or other workers at this house of God.
25And you, Ezra, in accordance with the wisdom of your God, which you possess, appoint magistrates and judges to administer justice to all the people of Trans-Euphrates—all who know the laws of your God. And you are to teach any who do not know them. 26Whoever does not obey the law of your God and the law of the king must surely be punished by death, banishment, confiscation of property, or imprisonment.
K
Yes, there will be animal sacrifices (only lambs by the way) in the perfect age. They are a reminder of the cross. Church service is meant to be a reminder of the cross and to reach those who haven't accepted the cross. If you get out side the lines of the cross you only let in confusion and contempt. It's the cross people.
UMMM But isn't that an oxy-moron on one hand to say there will b no death or anything that will hurt or harm during that time,but yet doing animal sacrifices which by definition causes harm and death? So how is that even possible to do something that by it's very nature causes harm and death to be done during a time which there is no harm or death?
His "call" is Heb 10:14--he has already "made perfect (past tense, completed work) forever
those whom he has sanctified" (past tense, completed work).
"Sanctified" means "set apart--from sin, and to God,"
and that would be as his own, by faith.
The sins of believers do not need an another sacrifice in addition to the once-for-all sacrifice
of God's only Son to atone for the sin of those who believe in him.
How could "once-for-all" sacrifice (Heb 10:10) be any clearer?
If the words are Scriptural, why do you object?
If they are not Scriptural, then show that they are not, or your objection is without merit.
I fill in words because it appears you do not understand the meanings
of "perfect," or
of "forever," or
of "past tense," or
of "sanctified," or
of "once-for-all sacrifice" of God's only Son,
for if you did, you wouldn't even be considering, and leaving an option open for more sacrifices.
those whom he has sanctified" (past tense, completed work).
"Sanctified" means "set apart--from sin, and to God,"
and that would be as his own, by faith.
The sins of believers do not need an another sacrifice in addition to the once-for-all sacrifice
of God's only Son to atone for the sin of those who believe in him.
How could "once-for-all" sacrifice (Heb 10:10) be any clearer?
If the words are Scriptural, why do you object?
If they are not Scriptural, then show that they are not, or your objection is without merit.
I fill in words because it appears you do not understand the meanings
of "perfect," or
of "forever," or
of "past tense," or
of "sanctified," or
of "once-for-all sacrifice" of God's only Son,
for if you did, you wouldn't even be considering, and leaving an option open for more sacrifices.
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I'll address it again. . .that's a very weak grasp of Scripture.
It's been over 2,000 years since Christ died, and in all that time
we haven't "needed" animal sacrifices to remind us of the cross.
So why would we "need" them then, what's the difference?
Just what does a doctrine have to say before one sees that it is false?
If one thought prophecy showed that Christ didn't rise from the dead, would they believe that too?
Where's the line?
It's been over 2,000 years since Christ died, and in all that time
we haven't "needed" animal sacrifices to remind us of the cross.
So why would we "need" them then, what's the difference?
Just what does a doctrine have to say before one sees that it is false?
If one thought prophecy showed that Christ didn't rise from the dead, would they believe that too?
Where's the line?
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I will start a new thread, I will call it "open Bible discussion, sola scripta"'
But to answer this post, since we cannot see the Lord yet, how COULD the resurrection be over? So yes you have misunderstood.
Heb.2.9 says, Jesus tasted death for EVERY man, and wouldn't that fulfill the Heb.9.27 once appointed unto death for every man? If not, why does 1 Cor.4.9 says the Apostles were the LAST "as it were APPOINTED unto death? And where you pointed out that the last enemy to be destroyed is death, why does Jesus have the opposite expectation that most Believers have in Heb.10.13 about the last enemy being destroyed? Wouldn't Rom.16.20 come in there ? Don't forget what the falling away was to accomplish. You are either making assumptions about the Lake of fire, or reading with the natural understanding, or both; We can take it from there in the new thread I will go start now.
But to answer this post, since we cannot see the Lord yet, how COULD the resurrection be over? So yes you have misunderstood.
Heb.2.9 says, Jesus tasted death for EVERY man, and wouldn't that fulfill the Heb.9.27 once appointed unto death for every man? If not, why does 1 Cor.4.9 says the Apostles were the LAST "as it were APPOINTED unto death? And where you pointed out that the last enemy to be destroyed is death, why does Jesus have the opposite expectation that most Believers have in Heb.10.13 about the last enemy being destroyed? Wouldn't Rom.16.20 come in there ? Don't forget what the falling away was to accomplish. You are either making assumptions about the Lake of fire, or reading with the natural understanding, or both; We can take it from there in the new thread I will go start now.