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Just a piece of advice, I would really rethink how you ask your questions. First you say God lied?, Now your saying 'God killed the wrong prophet? which looks like your saying God screwed up. Would you question or direct your questions to God like this to His face? NO WAY, so I suggest you have a little more reverance in you questions.
C
The reason why God killed the prophet was because He had told him directly what he was to do, and yet the prophet went against God's command on the word of a man claiming God contradicted himself (or at least changed his mind). He should have either kept going or prayed to God to check on what this other man was saying, instead he disobeyed God just because he was what, hungry?
I understand what you're saying. Me personally, I don't question God, especially in this way. I would be afraid to even ask a question where it even remotely states God is lying or screwed up. Can we build a house for God? Can show Him wisdom? Does He not hold the wind in His fist? So I think it is safe to say, He deserves absolute reverance, and trembling before Him. It is not ok, to question God in this manner, or present a question in this manner. To even remotely think it is ok, is wrong. Period. Shalom
Pay attention to what I'm saying, it's how it was worded. "Did God kill the wrong prophet?" So canada, can God screw up? What about David, and don't try and don't try to turn this on me as though I think I'm better. I actually believe what scripture says " the fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom"
P
Avinu/Shalom.
I agree. On one hand judging by his comments on this post and some of his others, it sounds like he is murmuring and complaining like the children of Israel in the days of Moses.
It sounds like he is trying to prove God unjust and the bible wrong.
Where is his faith that God is just and holey?
I agree. On one hand judging by his comments on this post and some of his others, it sounds like he is murmuring and complaining like the children of Israel in the days of Moses.
It sounds like he is trying to prove God unjust and the bible wrong.
Where is his faith that God is just and holey?
It came across to me as, "I'm confused...why did God do this and not that?" he wasn't saying, "God should have done this instead of that." which I understand. Sometimes you do end up asking God, "Why?" sometimes. And sometimes He might tell you and sometimes He just says, "Be still and know that I am God."
C
Man you guys are so judgmental, if you had read all his posts you would realize this is a man trying to understand God and the Bible. He has been read through the bible and came here to CC to ask for help understanding and all that half of the people on here have done is judge and condemn him for having questions, it sickens me the way people here treat people with questions as if they have it all figured out. Thomas doubted, did Jesus condemn him? NO! He made a special visit to let Thomas touch his wounds so he could understand and believe.
I have to ask, do you know the difference between judgemental and correction? Because according to you comments you clearly don't. Have I condemned him to hell, or have I suggested to him to have more reverance and respect in how he words things. And if it sickens you so, you don't have to be on here. If is clear you must be one of those who believe in not correcting your brother/sister when they do something wrong, you would rather just keep quiet and not say anthing, leaving them to continue in there wrong.
P
No one is condemning him just trying to strengthen his faith.
He knows his Bible well and should be speaking faith by now, he is not a baby and has been saved for 54 years
Also It’s not a sin to, judge righteous judgment.
John 7:24 - but judge righteous judgment.
2Ti 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
Its not a sin to, reprove, rebuke, exhort, Its actually one of the jobs God gave us to do, and is good for you to do it, and have it done to you.
You should be thankful that someone is bothering to try to straighten it out.
He knows his Bible well and should be speaking faith by now, he is not a baby and has been saved for 54 years
Also It’s not a sin to, judge righteous judgment.
John 7:24 - but judge righteous judgment.
2Ti 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
Its not a sin to, reprove, rebuke, exhort, Its actually one of the jobs God gave us to do, and is good for you to do it, and have it done to you.
You should be thankful that someone is bothering to try to straighten it out.
P
Just thinking about your comment, and how it sickens you the way people here treat people with questions.
On this post there has been nothing but genuine concern.
it sickens you to hear the word of the lord?
it sickens you to see people getting about Gods busses and doing what he tells them to do..
it sickens you to hear reprove, rebuke, exhort and righteous judgment
it sickens you that someone has a genuine concern about the way a brother is speaking and then says something about it.
We can’t reprove, rebuke, exhort and judge righteous judgment and to speak to help a brother walk uprightly. But you can try to rebuke us, that doesn’t sound right.
I think it’s you that needs the Reproving, more than him even.
Don’t you know that we will rule and reign with Jesus with a rod of iron for a 1000 years.
It will do us no good to learn to be kings and priests and to tippy toe, and where kid gloves and do nothing.
On this post there has been nothing but genuine concern.
it sickens you to hear the word of the lord?
it sickens you to see people getting about Gods busses and doing what he tells them to do..
it sickens you to hear reprove, rebuke, exhort and righteous judgment
it sickens you that someone has a genuine concern about the way a brother is speaking and then says something about it.
We can’t reprove, rebuke, exhort and judge righteous judgment and to speak to help a brother walk uprightly. But you can try to rebuke us, that doesn’t sound right.
I think it’s you that needs the Reproving, more than him even.
Don’t you know that we will rule and reign with Jesus with a rod of iron for a 1000 years.
It will do us no good to learn to be kings and priests and to tippy toe, and where kid gloves and do nothing.
A
yes but it shows the mercy of God that He did not. He gave the false prophet time to repent and turn from His sins. The other prophet died in his place. much like Jesus died in our place.
think about how many times we lie and get others to do things because we care more about what we want then what God wants.
the wages of sin is death, but whose death? who paid the price for our sins?
How have we been recoiled to God?
think about how many times we lie and get others to do things because we care more about what we want then what God wants.
the wages of sin is death, but whose death? who paid the price for our sins?
How have we been recoiled to God?
G
I think Av, you, and, PK, both need to apologize to CNZ.
But why? Why should you ask forgiveness to CNZ, bc you are making him feel lesser than you and inferiority is not something brothers should do to brothers. No other reason. inferiority. Using your bible knowledge in a wrong way....
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That said, do whatever, that is what I think, please don't judge me for it, I just think you both ATTACKED him and it was not what Jesus would do.
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Now, onto the issue of the false prophet, stargazer says what he thinks about a question of the man of God and the 'old (false) prophet. That is HOW we actually COMMUNICATE in a bible study. You don't ATTACK someone when in a church bible study (Dear God...Amen), I hope and pray not, anyway. Why would you? It is counterproductive to glorifying God. Why would you want to do that, Av and PK ?? Rhetorical question, don't bother answering. You wouldn't want to do that . Right? Right.
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Now, let's actually communicate in love, brothers and sisters 'And, help this pilgrim have less starry eyes about this part of the bible
The reason why God killed the right prophet is simple, it is obvious that God is INSIDE (I use caps merely for emphasis) this 'man of God,' as the moG tells King Jeroboam that the altar shall split by who's word?
'The word of the Lord.' That is quoted scripture 1 Kings 13:5.
So, this mOG is hearing from God directly, and, doing a good job obeying in his prophesying that the 'altar will split apart,' which happens in Kings 13:5 too.
So, the King that ordered the mOG arrested had his hands what? Withered. Why? This King Jereboam was going against the who? That's right , the mOG.
Now this all said so far, how TIGHT do you think God was with this man of God, this mOG man ? VERY !!!
OK, moving on in this scripture, that is, after King Jer. asks the moG to restore his withered hand and by Jove King J's hand is restored . Er, excuse me, 'by moG' I should have said. Don't know where that 'by jove' came fromIt was 'entreated from the Lord' that the king's hand was restored. Basically , let's say it again, 'by the word of the Lord' this man's hand was RESTORED !
OK, so now we are to 1 Kings 5:7 and King Jer. is pretty happy with old moG by now, what? restoring his withered hand and all, that King Jer asks the moG to 'come home and refresh yourself, and, I will give you your reward.'
'Course, the moG says no to this invititation, and, this is HOW he says his reply, 'If you were to give me half your house, I would not go in wiht you, nor would I eat bread nor drink water in this place. For so it was commandedme by the word of the Lord, saying, 'You shall not eat bread nor drink water, nor return by the same way you came.' 1 Kings 5:8-9
OK, you get the picture, this moG is following 'the word of the Lord' PERFECTLY.
But then an 'old prophet' enters the picture in 1 Kings 5:11, just a short 1 verse later and the moG is deceived by this old prophet that goes and finds the moG under 'an oak.' And, for some reason (guess just proving the humanness of we foolable humans ), the moG tells this 'old prophet(false prophet, as StarPilgrim defines him) the same spiel that he gave King J. 'I cannot retur with you' blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, I am not suppose to return the same way I came'
But the old prophet tells a lie and says, ' I too am a prophet as you are, and an angel spoke to me by the word of the Lord , saying, 'Bring him back with you to your house, that he may eat bread and drink water.'
Well, this time, the moG GOES WITH THE OLD PROPHET TO HIS HOUSE and this disobedience causes God to strike out and KILL the mog
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Now, don't try to tell me IF God has given you the gift of prophecy like WAS given to the moG that you would NOT know when some little flaky dude comes up and CLAIMS he is also speaking by the word of the Lord. I THINK, no, change that, I KNOW that the Lord was DISTINCTLY speaking to this guy and this moG was having GREAT faith to follow the word of the Lord until the moG decided to give in to desire, I guess, must have been needing bread and drink from a MAN and not continue to let God provide .
Moral of the story: When God is doing things through you in a great way, don't let someone come to you and offer something inferior to His great givings to you and TAKE IT ! Don't do it !! Just ask Adam and Eve
God bless you , all, sorry to be so tough on ya, but we need to EDIFY each other and I guess that is why the Lord had me come on here, because I just never come on here, I do hear of this forum becoming a shouting match a lot of times. That is sad, as I said before, that is not what Jesus would do nor should you then. Right. We should want to emulate our Lord and King. Amen?
Amen.
But why? Why should you ask forgiveness to CNZ, bc you are making him feel lesser than you and inferiority is not something brothers should do to brothers. No other reason. inferiority. Using your bible knowledge in a wrong way....
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That said, do whatever, that is what I think, please don't judge me for it, I just think you both ATTACKED him and it was not what Jesus would do.
_____________()_____________
Now, onto the issue of the false prophet, stargazer says what he thinks about a question of the man of God and the 'old (false) prophet. That is HOW we actually COMMUNICATE in a bible study. You don't ATTACK someone when in a church bible study (Dear God...Amen), I hope and pray not, anyway. Why would you? It is counterproductive to glorifying God. Why would you want to do that, Av and PK ?? Rhetorical question, don't bother answering. You wouldn't want to do that . Right? Right.
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Now, let's actually communicate in love, brothers and sisters 'And, help this pilgrim have less starry eyes about this part of the bible
The reason why God killed the right prophet is simple, it is obvious that God is INSIDE (I use caps merely for emphasis) this 'man of God,' as the moG tells King Jeroboam that the altar shall split by who's word?
'The word of the Lord.' That is quoted scripture 1 Kings 13:5.
So, this mOG is hearing from God directly, and, doing a good job obeying in his prophesying that the 'altar will split apart,' which happens in Kings 13:5 too.
So, the King that ordered the mOG arrested had his hands what? Withered. Why? This King Jereboam was going against the who? That's right , the mOG.
Now this all said so far, how TIGHT do you think God was with this man of God, this mOG man
? VERY !!! OK, moving on in this scripture, that is, after King Jer. asks the moG to restore his withered hand and by Jove King J's hand is restored . Er, excuse me, 'by moG' I should have said. Don't know where that 'by jove' came fromIt was 'entreated from the Lord' that the king's hand was restored. Basically , let's say it again, 'by the word of the Lord' this man's hand was RESTORED !
OK, so now we are to 1 Kings 5:7 and King Jer. is pretty happy with old moG by now, what? restoring his withered hand and all, that King Jer asks the moG to 'come home and refresh yourself, and, I will give you your reward.'
'Course, the moG says no to this invititation, and, this is HOW he says his reply, 'If you were to give me half your house, I would not go in wiht you, nor would I eat bread nor drink water in this place. For so it was commandedme by the word of the Lord, saying, 'You shall not eat bread nor drink water, nor return by the same way you came.' 1 Kings 5:8-9
OK, you get the picture, this moG is following 'the word of the Lord' PERFECTLY.
But then an 'old prophet' enters the picture in 1 Kings 5:11, just a short 1 verse later and the moG is deceived by this old prophet that goes and finds the moG under 'an oak.' And, for some reason (guess just proving the humanness of we foolable humans
), the moG tells this 'old prophet(false prophet, as StarPilgrim defines him) the same spiel that he gave King J. 'I cannot retur with you' blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, I am not suppose to return the same way I came' But the old prophet tells a lie and says, ' I too am a prophet as you are, and an angel spoke to me by the word of the Lord , saying, 'Bring him back with you to your house, that he may eat bread and drink water.'
Well, this time, the moG GOES WITH THE OLD PROPHET TO HIS HOUSE and this disobedience causes God to strike out and KILL the mog
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Now, don't try to tell me IF God has given you the gift of prophecy like WAS given to the moG that you would NOT know when some little flaky dude comes up and CLAIMS he is also speaking by the word of the Lord. I THINK, no, change that, I KNOW that the Lord was DISTINCTLY speaking to this guy and this moG was having GREAT faith to follow the word of the Lord until the moG decided to give in to desire, I guess, must have been needing bread and drink from a MAN and not continue to let God provide .
Moral of the story: When God is doing things through you in a great way, don't let someone come to you and offer something inferior to His great givings to you and TAKE IT ! Don't do it !! Just ask Adam and Eve
God bless you , all, sorry to be so tough on ya, but we need to EDIFY each other and I guess that is why the Lord had me come on here, because I just never come on here, I do hear of this forum becoming a shouting match a lot of times. That is sad, as I said before, that is not what Jesus would do nor should you then. Right. We should want to emulate our Lord and King. Amen?
Amen.
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I think the question was worded wrong, if you wanted to understand it then why not say, I do not understand why the Prophet was killed etc.. anyone help me understand this....
I find the question insulting, but i do not think it was intended to be insulting, not all ask things in the correct way, of course Yahweh never does wrong, all he does is for good, sometimes we can not see this straight away, but in the end we will.
The prophet was told to continue, the old man lied to the young man, I think this is a lesson for us all.
If Almighty Yahweh tells you to do something then do it.
Let no man come to you and take you away from the work you were told to do.
Though i also was a little surprised by this at the time of reading it, I soon understood that we must listen and obey.
Both Prophets learnt a lesson. The Old man was wrong, but he did not pay with his life, he lived with what he had done.
I find the question insulting, but i do not think it was intended to be insulting, not all ask things in the correct way, of course Yahweh never does wrong, all he does is for good, sometimes we can not see this straight away, but in the end we will.
The prophet was told to continue, the old man lied to the young man, I think this is a lesson for us all.
If Almighty Yahweh tells you to do something then do it.
Let no man come to you and take you away from the work you were told to do.
Though i also was a little surprised by this at the time of reading it, I soon understood that we must listen and obey.
Both Prophets learnt a lesson. The Old man was wrong, but he did not pay with his life, he lived with what he had done.