God killed the wrong prophet? 1 Kings13:18

GreenNnice · Feb 15, 2012

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1 Kings 13:5 13:7 13: 8-9 , those were the reference verses I used, my green brains get the best of me often, just ask anyone in the singles forum

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Why do you find it insulting? StargazerPilgrim is providing intellectual thought. It is not an attack on God, we are free to think different things. God does not reprimand us for doubting, we are definitely harder on our fellow humans, much harder than God is on us...In fact, God is not hard on us at all, He is easy (on us) Shouldn't we be that same way with fellow bible discussers on c.c.

YES ! It's not critically important for being saved, in fact, not important at all on the grand scheme of things, for we only need to believe in God for eternal life, but within that 'believe' there SHOULD be elements of proof that show how you believe, and, in essense, showing that belief is being kind and nice to others and loving your neighbor as yourself, as scripture does state in sooo many ways.

Like CNZ said aptly, Thomas doubted Jesus and Jesus kindly served Thomas' doubt with tangential proof. (Thomas was SERVED ! LOL

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As I said, the man of God KNEW the power of God inside him as he, with the word of God backing him, protecting him, split an altar, withered a man's hand that was pointing to 'arrest him!' . Those are DISTINCT signs from God. It's a WONDER that this man of God would let a normal human make his initial faithful obedience become wayward.But, that is human nature, and, one more reason, to ALWAYS have your nose in God's Word so you can BEST hear him over others, even people that MEAN well. As I see it, the old prophet simply wanted to help this man of God get away from what he felt was not really a calling from God.

In other words, the old prophet meant well. But he LIED to mean well and that is why God, as you say, LoveMe#1,God did come to the old prophet in a word that was foreshadowing of coming doom to his life. 1 Kings 13:20 . 'Now it happened, as they sat at the table, that the word of the Lord, came to the prophet, who brought him (the man of God) back'

And, TRUST ME, it was NOT a good word for the old prophet brought by the word of the Lord. He definitely felt remorseful, to the point of going and getting the man of God's body, as the Lord's divine providence attests by fact the 'corpse' was not eaten by the lion, who also could have killed the donkey standing nearby. God' power is soooo GREAT !!

Truly a fascinating passage brought to light for discussion, stargazingPilgrim, God bless you for your God-work, bringing words of the Word out in the open for intelligent discussion.

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iamsoandso · Feb 15, 2012

stargazingpilgrim "did you mean it with disrespect?or were you trying to figure out what it meant to so you would understand"?????????

prophecyman · Feb 15, 2012

Avinu said:

AMEN, I fear El Olam the great El Shadai, I would not dream of or even suggest such a thing. God still smites the wicked, but has compassion on the ignorant.

iamsoandso · Feb 15, 2012

do not be disrespectful to him ask him,,,, do you mean it disrespectful or do you not understand why and so you are asking???????,,,,,!!!!!

Stargazing_Pilgrim · Feb 15, 2012

I am sorry for wording my questions in a negative way. That was done to attract attention to my posts. I love the Bible!!! I was saved while reading the Bible!!! I love Jesus!!! I am NOT trying to disprove the Bible. I know the answers to almost all the questions about the Bible. I believe it from cover to cover. I have many Bible commentaries. The posts I made were to gain additional help to understand some verses. Whether you agree or disagree with the answers in this forum,the answers are helpful, and this is a very worthwhile site. And, oh, yes, someone asked why I didn't ask my pastor. He like many others didn't have time for all my questions. No, I am not going to change churches. It is easier to come here and in a multitude of Christians there is the souurce of good advice. Proverbs 11:14

GreenNnice · Feb 15, 2012

Stargazing_Pilgrim said:

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Hey, WHERE is this disrespectful??

It sounds like stargazer now has regret for how he worded his question. But why? You were offering intellectual thought through a question, with no judgment outlayed, you CAN disagree with how God did things, as , HEY!, God even had REGRET for how He did things....

Don't believe God had regret? Read Genesis 6 . He regretted, of all things, that He MADE US

Thank God for Noah. That's literal, there, so don't JUDGE me, seriously, if not for God finding favor with Noah, where would humans be today?? I venture not to want to guess even.

Uggh, like I said, those that know who you are should NOT judge him, like the one that said he read stargazer's other threads and said stargazer did this in his other threads too. THAT is judging ! I am paraphrasing to take some of the sting off the sayer of these words.

loveme1 said:

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OK, so stargazerP's said his words were worded wrong, to make a point. But, the bottom line, is that stargazer's words were not an ATTACK on God, and, they were not worded in a way that deserved judgment from others, as CNZ, Av, and, PK, all served to make a verbal volley WITHOUT using scripture to back their volleys.

. Hey, God gave us our own feelings, we are FREE to think, feel, act, DO what we want in life. 'Course, He wants us to choose His ways, freely

But, we HAVE the choice .

AnandaHya · Feb 15, 2012

Stargazing_Pilgrim said:

lol yeah they do grow weary of the endless questions after a while. lol. Plus pastors are really busy. When I was younger I was told to limit my questions to 5 at one seating and then spend some time listening to others questions and thoughts and concerns. It was very good advice.

I'm glad you find the site worthwhile

I like hanging out with the peps here too. sometimes it gets a little steamy and that's when you know its time for a cookie break.... wonder where Abiding is and if he'll feed me some...mmmm....

Proverbs 11:14
New King James Version (NKJV)
14 Where there is no counsel, the people fall;
But in the multitude of counselors there is safety.

GreenNnice · Feb 15, 2012

Stargazing_Pilgrim said:

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That's great you know the bible cover to cover and 'know the answers to almost all the questions about the bible.' But, while former said very good, the latter speaks of haughty pride. YOU don't know the answers of the bible without God, so, again, maybe we speak of wording FINALLY of something you said that needs reworded but I would put it: God has blessed me with a great knowledge of scriptures and helping others understand answers.' Self-admittedly, you go to your pastor you say, and, I'm guessing you go a lot, but like Ana says, pastors get overburdened with questions so they ask we work hard to learn from others too.

Good advice? You bet !

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But, far as this false prophet living and man of God prophet dying, it is a case of obedience as I think it was loveme#1 said, someone said it. That's it ! God was speaking straight to the man of God, 'distinctly,' was the word I used, and, I would add, with power, since he split the altar, withered the King Jereboam's hands when he pointed to arrest the man of God.

Interestingly, we don't ever get a name of the man of God, but this moG, as I call him, was serving God on a very intimate level. And, when God is speaking to US on 'that' kind of level, we should NOT tarry !!

This is a life example of mine and I use this for hopeful explanation, clarity.

I was in church one Sunday and I always was giving a good tithe, honorably to God. But THIS Sunday I short-changed (pun intended) God, and, I had the tithe in my wallet to give and KNEW how much I was to give and

did not give it.

It was neat I thought to myself that I SAVED $$ on that Sunday. So, NOT only did I not give God what was His, I ALSO was even saying that it felt good after doing it, 'God isn't smiting or anything. This is okay to do.'

Well, the very next week, when I was babysitting my sister's cat, Shorty, while she was pregnant back in this 1997 summertime and couldn't care/keep her cat, I had something happen badly.

I didn't really understand why Shorty was suddenly so slow moving and from a energetic 1-year-old went to a unenergetic 1.5 year old, six months into my babysitting sis' cat.

I found out that Shorty was with a whole lot of fleas on him and that my house was TOTALLY infested with FLEAS !! It was bad, I would get up off from my couch with my bare legs and my legs literally would go from skin-color to BLACK~!! I went to the vet....

The vet game me 'Program' and I gave Shorty this flea medicine for a few days and also flea-bombed my house and Voila !! the fleas were GONE !! Shorty was slowly but surely getting better. I was happy, thankful , because I learned to LOVE Shorty, a black and white cat with a little white spot on his chin. He had a ferociously awesome, gently personality, playful and just what I felt was God's gift to me, IF only for a season of my life as I knew after sis was not pregnant she would want Shorty back....

So, on Friday, five days after my tithing greed experience, things went from BAD to good to HORRIBLE!! Shorty went out and played that day and came back that evening, and, was moving slowly still, but better than the Monday before when I first discovered the fleas eating UP shorty's blood,sucking it, and, making shorty nearly to DEATH!!

So I took shorty in the house and petted Shorty and because Shorty was NEARLY better on that Friday same morning, moving nearly like she did before fleabitten I was concerned as Shorty was moving not just slow like before, but slower still in the hour I petted shorty on my lap. So Shorty finally was to a point where he was hardly moving. So, I knew something was wrong, I thought that maybe the fleas had hatched a disease on Shorty, or something ,I didn't know what to think. But, Shorty's condition worsened and could be heard breathing heavily, almost gasping for breath, as I made the 20 minute drive to vet...

I searched over Shorty to try and find something wrong, but could find nothing wrong. He was just near lifeless and I knew, even though it was now 9 pm at night I needed to go to the emergency room. When I got there, they took shorty and I figured that He would be just fine after some shots and some better flea medicine and maybe hooked up to IVs...

After a half hour or so, the vet called me to the front desk and said that Shorty had a pellet in her chest cavity that was very close to his heart. I asked, 'Someone shot Shorty?' Vet said, 'Yes.' I was mad now but also I would quickly have other things to think about as the vet said Shorty is in a very critical condition and needs surgery. It will cost $2000 and there is only a 50/50 chance that Shorty will live through the surgery...

I guess I can say at this point I cried out to God and said WHY ! I was very poor at this time and I just wasn't sure what to do, I think my final decision did not have to do with the money but with the fact that Shorty would not live possibly even after the surgery.

Euthanizing Shorty, that is, putting Shorty to sleep was my choice, an $800 choice, and, I was crying as much after that as I ever had in my entire life, I was 27 years old at this time.

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Seee, I hope to parallel this to the man of God, as, I always try my best to follow God and WAS in 1997, and, God really was blessing me with a cashier job at a major grocery store, and, TOTALLY taking care of me, and, to note, I walked in the doors of the grocery store in June 1997 and did not have any knowledge of checking, they put me in the checkstand the NEXT DAY of my interview and there I stayed

God was at work no doubt

But then I decided to work things on MY OWN. I have no doubt that man of God went to Heaven, that was not the issue, what was at issue is what was said that the man of God DISOBEYED God and he never repented to God EVEN AFTER the Lord CRIED OUT TO HIM !!!

Cain also did bad to God but God forgave Cain for the evil he did. How? With a mark on Cain's head. Why did God spare Cain? Because Cain ACKNOWLEDGED God, admitted he made a mistake by virtue of letting God know, 'This punishment is too great.' THAT , those FIVE words explain that Cain acknowledged God.

Sigh, the man of God NEVER acknowledged God !! He still went to Heaven I am certain but his life was taken up in God's wrath for being in God's will and following God's signs and being BLESSED in this role NO DOUBT and decided to GO his own way.......

Moral: Go God's way, ESPECIALLY when God TELLS you not to go back a way you came, like he specifically TOLD the man of God .

You will know, the conviction strongly for doing wrong, and, even good feeling for doing right thing

Don't DISOBEY God, who you hear clearly telling you what to do, and, then go off and do something that is contrary to his will and convicts you and you STILL do what you want to do, like I did, not tithing. The results can AND will be devastating, and, no, God was still with me after Shorty died, teaching me to NEVER forget God, never to let go of God because God is always keeping you, cradling you when you need it. He is the ONLY one who will NEVER EVER NEVER let you down.

God bless you all, and, sorry to be so hard on some of you. Again, do NOT judge others with YOUR WORDS, let the scriptures and power of God and His Holy Spirit speak through you. I am not perfect either, I can and do get animated over certain things. I ALWAYS don't leave it long lie when I do err in this way, I go to GOD ! You go, too

Avinu · Feb 15, 2012

Just to make sure about how I made my response, I re-read my response to this thread. I didn't attack him in any way. I suggested showing a little more reverance and respect when writing questions so as not to come across accusing or questioning God wrongly.
I have no problem apologizing to someone when it is warranted, but I don't think I owe anyone an apology in this case.

AnandaHya · Feb 15, 2012

Avinu said:

hey Avinu he apologized for the wording of his statement. he was just trying to draw attention to his question.

Honestly I've thought the same kind of thoughts, but normally I hear that voice in the back of my head that sounds a lot like my mom telling me to be more diplomatic and polite.

I don't know God never gotten mad at me for asking questions when I've been confused.

I think its a case of miscommunication, and you're right we should be careful what we speak and how we say things. Everyone makes mistakes. the question is will we learn from them or keep repeating them?

Can we show mercy to others because of the mercy God has given us?

so I have a tough decision...

go to bed or have desert... hmmmm......

GreenNnice · Feb 15, 2012

Avinu said:

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How was StarGazingPilgrim coming across as ' unreverent and unrespectful?'

I have yet to see where SGP did anything but voice his opinion, Av. The words 'Seems like,' which opens his question of the wrong prophet killed statement, completely lets everyone know that what SGP is really saying is : Seems like to me....

SGP iis not wording it " The wrong prophet was killed. God should have killed the old prophet , not the man of God. "

I just don't see any irreverence or disrespect to our Saviour from StarGazeP, not ONE iota of dis

That is between you and God, CNZ, PK,to all do what the Lord leads. I think a group hug would be a great idea for you 3

God bless you for your coming on here and saying what you said though, that says something to me, although, as yet, I personally don't know what you're saying.
But by our personal feeling that we are acting in our own human nature prayerfully as the Lord wills us should not be judged by any others

The Lord leads. I just suggest taking 'I' out of your statement above, six times taking it out, and, just letting God speak through you. I am doing this too myself a lot and it is sometimes good, but often doing 'it' makes US in control and not God

God bless you, Av. PK, too. CNZ, three

Avinu · Feb 15, 2012

Don't get me wrong, I don't have a problem with him at all. I think it's great he's seeking answers, he's going to get 50 different answers here though.lol If I ever or ever state or question God that is not right, I want someone to correct me quick. If you look at how I worded my statement to him, you see it's not attacking at all. Canada on the other hand is the one who turned it into a ordeal that was unecessary. Asking God questions is good, questioning Him is totally different. I'll take dessert, I'm not tired yet. lol

peterT · Feb 16, 2012

Stargazing_Pilgrim said:

I am sorry for wording my questions in a negative way. That was done to attract attention to my posts. I love the Bible!!! I was saved while reading the Bible!!! I love Jesus!!! I am NOT trying to disprove the Bible. I know the answers to almost all the questions about the Bible. I believe it from cover to cover. I have many Bible commentaries. The posts I made were to gain additional help to understand some verses. Whether you agree or disagree with the answers in this forum,the answers are helpful, and this is a very worthwhile site. And, oh, yes, someone asked why I didn't ask my pastor. He like many others didn't have time for all my questions. No, I am not going to change churches. It is easier to come here and in a multitude of Christians there is the souurce of good advice. Proverbs 11:14

Thanks for sorting that out.

My the lord bless and keep you strong

loveme1 · Feb 16, 2012

I think the way it was worded, was wrong. And yes i found it insulting. The poster, questioned Almighty Yahweh, and even told us what he would of done...
I did not attack the man, i said the way he worded his question was insulting to me. I am unable to change my feelings, I will be for Almighty Yahweh my GOD all day every day.

I accept there was not intent, but my first feeling when i read the title was OH NO!

The Bible is a lesson for us all, and we must accept every decision is good when made by Almighty Yahweh.

The point is that when you listen and obey everything is good, once we think for ourselves we are lost......
Trying to understand the Bible is different to questioning it........... If Yahweh my GOD did it then it was for good.

Also, the man admits it was to attract attention to his post, well it worked........

GreenNnice · Feb 16, 2012

loveme1 said:

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How can the question be insulting???

Even if it was a question (which it's not), how would that question be insulting??

SGP is stating something. He is not asking a question. He is stating what he would have done, this is in NO way an irreverence or lack of respect to God, as Avinu put it.
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Maybe the best way to understand this situation is to put yourself in this opinion statement by SGP....

How about wording SGP's question this way?
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Seems like (to me) the false prophet should have been killed. That's what I would have done.
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Does that make this statement less insulting?
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SGP said that he worded it the way he did to attract attention, but that is in no way an admission (and it shouldn't be) that he was being irreverent or giving God a lack of respect. SGP was simply speaking his opinon, like we do in a bible study don't we...

Couldn't you see someone asking a question like this in a Tuesday evening bible study small group setting?

bible study member: Seems like to me the false prophet should have been killed. That's' what I would have done.

At that point, people would probably LAUGH at what the bsm person said because it does sound a bit pompous. But, does it sound irreverent or disrespectful to God, attacking Him? No.

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This SEEMS like a very rational explanation for what SGP said (worded) in his opening post for this thread.

And, go back and read through what Avinu and PeterK said, they were directly attacking SGP with their statements, one with judging words (Av: I would be careful), one with attacking words (PeterK: He (SGP) does those things in other threads.)

Both are character attacks, one subtle, one outright, seems like.

That just seems like what you ^ are doing and seems like that is not what Jesus would do.
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GreenNnice · Feb 19, 2012

Stargazing_Pilgrim said:

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No, I don't think you would have killed the wrong prophet, StarryEyedPilgrim

Here's why....

God appointed (can we use the word 'annointed' like Saul was 'The Lord's annointed to lead the Israeli people when they asked God for a leader) the man of God for His work.

The man of God = a clergyman, a prophet, even, a saint, per definition in Websters and other online dictionaries. That's steep stuff then. This man of God was in direct appointment from God to do the Lord's work through prophecy, which is a GIFT of the spirit .

And, a gift is what? A blessing. IF God has gifted you with something, be it 'teaching,' or 'speaking in tongues,' whatever gift it is, then that is something that He not only wants, He COMMANDS that you use, that point made painfully clear through Jesus' telling of the parable of the talents in Matthew 25, starting verse 15.

This man of God disobeyed against God and, believe it or not, IF God has you held in that kind of 'gifted' esteem you MUST not do things contrary to his teachings in front of others. God WILL have no choice but to make an example of you.

The old prophet KNEW that this man of God was following the Lord's will for his life yet his humanness caused him to entice the man of God with food and water to come to his home. The man of God knew this was wrong, but he did it anyway and therefore God, who held the man of God in high esteem, had no choice but to punish him in a great way, ,killing the man of God's earthly body but surely he also had compassion as this act was not blaspheming God, and, so God surely did have mercy on the man of God's soul and he did go to Heaven.

Moral of story: IF God has gifted you in speaking in tongues, or, intellect, or WHATEVER GIFT He has given you, do not expect to use it in a way that will de-glorify God. Think about it, this guy was a prophet, a FORETELLER of the future GIFT from God, and, when this common old prophet man came to him and said that HE was spoken to by God to come to help him get nourished and thirsted, don't you THINK if you were being spoken to DIRECTLY BY GOD in your relationship that some common man, prophet or anyone, would say words of the future (come with me, I know you think God said to stay under this oak, but come with me) and YOU would understand they were a LIE !

Trust me, that's rhetorical question, as, IF you were a prophet, YOU would know

God is sooo clear in our personal relationship with him and going about following Him is something we should all do, but IF you are given greater duty to glorify Him then don't do SOMETHING to diminuish the power of God and thus, His glory

the man of God merely decided to go AGAINST God's will and paid a dear, dear Earthly price for it, his life

loveme1 · Feb 19, 2012

GreenNnice said:

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How can the question be insulting???

Even if it was a question (which it's not), how would that question be insulting??

SGP is stating something. He is not asking a question. He is stating what he would have done, this is in NO way an irreverence or lack of respect to God, as Avinu put it.
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Maybe the best way to understand this situation is to put yourself in this opinion statement by SGP....

How about wording SGP's question this way?
v

Seems like (to me) the false prophet should have been killed. That's what I would have done.
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Does that make this statement less insulting?
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SGP said that he worded it the way he did to attract attention, but that is in no way an admission (and it shouldn't be) that he was being irreverent or giving God a lack of respect. SGP was simply speaking his opinon, like we do in a bible study don't we...

Couldn't you see someone asking a question like this in a Tuesday evening bible study small group setting?

bible study member: Seems like to me the false prophet should have been killed. That's' what I would have done.

At that point, people would probably LAUGH at what the bsm person said because it does sound a bit pompous. But, does it sound irreverent or disrespectful to God, attacking Him? No.

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This SEEMS like a very rational explanation for what SGP said (worded) in his opening post for this thread.

And, go back and read through what Avinu and PeterK said, they were directly attacking SGP with their statements, one with judging words (Av: I would be careful), one with attacking words (PeterK: He (SGP) does those things in other threads.)

Both are character attacks, one subtle, one outright, seems like.

That just seems like what you ^ are doing and seems like that is not what Jesus would do.
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That is your opinion, you already know mine..
Start defending your Creator... It is Almighty Yahweh who gave us our Saviour Yeshua his son, not a fellow man.

GreenNnice · Feb 19, 2012

lil_christian said:

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Well said, littlechristian. Wise words from someone so young.

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The mere fact that StarGazedPilgrim put a '?' in his statement means he is not being insulting. He is asking a question, CanadaNZ supports this fact too.
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I just don't understand why people have to get so upset at someone who is merely asking questions about our Lord and Savior's ways, like CanadaNZ said, David questioned God's ways, and, he was 'a man with whom I am well pleased, a man after my own heart,' said God .

It is sad

But, I, too, understand the reality of 'opinion,' and God gave us a mind to make choices, both right and wrong, and, express our thoughts, both right and wrong.

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Yes, LoveMe, it is your opinion that the question was insulting. But, I assure you, it was not insulting meant and CanadaNZ tried to point this out too but both PeterT and Avinu chose to turn a deaf ear and ATTACK CanadaNZ instead.

I have nothing in this argument, I just want to point out, again, as I said before, IF you are going to be accusatory of another , then either 100% back it up with bible scripture or shut up.

The fact is that the banter between Avinu and CanadaNZ clearly was over OPINION and to get mad at a christian brother over OPINION is wrong. It is immature and not what Jesus would do, I assure you, and saying mean-spirited things to one another is not love, in any way, shape, or form.

They will never know you are a christian by your love IF you do not Love another with the same love that Jesus shows. And, if 'they' will never know, do you think Jesus will KNOW YOU if you do not show others His Love ? No.

sunshine_debbie · Feb 19, 2012

maybe the answer to this problem is PRAYER and to stop the thread?

GreenNnice · Feb 19, 2012

sunshine_debbie said:

The Lord leads. Maybe.
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And, I would re-phrase what I said, while I am here, because I wanted too and you give me opportunity, thanks, . But, yes, instead of saying 'shut up,' I would say to 'be still and let God speak to you, and, IF you still feel compelled to say something, SAY IT .'

That goes for everything out of our mouths, for Proverbs speaks greatly of this way to communicate .

Prayer is a great thing to do too, I do it all the time, no schedule whatsoever when I talk to my God. God bless you, sunny

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