So I need to obey to be saved Or I Obey because I am saved, Which is it?
second, I never said what you claimed, So can you please read what I wrote again, Maybe you misunderstood me
I never said this either.. So please. reread what I wrote.
Do you really believe that "murderer" repented?
Lets get serious now. If he repented, Why is he still doing it? where is the conviction, the chastening? the fact that one born of God can;t sin.. Did that all go away?
I have a question, Are you perfect? if not, you fall short of Gods glory, and are in need of salvation,
Have you recieved Christ?
Again, I would ask you, has that person repented? You have God saving a person who has not repented. and has no desire to change, meaning he does not fully realise the consequence of sin..
You are saved by grace alone, but yes you must obey Him to be saved. I was specifically shown this when God opened my bible to Deut 22:5. I dont see why it is impossible to say that we are only saved by His grace, but that He still wants us to do right.
I read what you wrote, you wrote that if you were rescued from your sin, would you not want to go back? And I agree, I agree that I was saved from death, which came from sin. I believe that sin leads to death. I believe that rebelling against God is sin. I now believe that I must follow Him in order to be saved. I believe that He will forgive my sins, and that I must turn from my sins.
Im well aware that you will try to make me sound foolish for saying we must obey Him by turning my posts around in this manner : p "Wouldnt you not want to sin? So because you wont you automatically do whats right and theres no worrying about obeying", but I want to obey Him, because I believe His path is good and right. If I claimed to believe in Him, and believed that sinning was good and right, what do you think would happen to me?
Why cant we be saved by grace alone, while accepting that we must obey Him?
You only make my point, "where is the conviction" : p I agree, his heart is not set on the Lord, and he continues to do what is wrong. He tells himself he is covered by grace, that he is not under the law, and he lets his confusion lead him to believe he will be saved because he believed Christ died for his sins, not understanding that he must come to Him. Just thinking that all he must do is believe that Christ died for him.
And no I already told you in my post before this^ that I fail, and I am covered by His grace. But I know that I have done wrong, I repent and ask for His help, and I follow Him. I do not give myself up as a slave for my desires, and I ask for His help to keep me from sin.
I almost always find that in the end, people end up agreeing with me, but they just cant let themselves say "we must obey the Lord", they are afraid to say anything outside grace. Even if they stand by the Gospel, that we are saved by grace and not the law, they cant let themselves say "yes, we must obey the Lord and repent of our sins". And thats my problem with this whole thread. This kind of talk leads to confusion, and leads to people taking verses like "we are no longer under the law" in a way it was not meant to be, and let themselves do whatever is pleasing to them. And I think it is wrong to let people follow this path.