"God loves everyone" - false

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Magenta

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Hear on news a month ago about bias ... something like when a person hears something they agree with they are more likely to remember it than when they hear something they disagree with.
I remember lots of things I disagree with :giggle: Some are quite outrageous from my point of view :oops:

Perhaps that is what makes them memorable :D
 

JesusLives

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Does God loves those He will punish in the lake of fire?
Yes, God loves them.

He provided a way out of this sinful world for them the death of His Son. If someone choses not to accept the sacrifice that was made for them that was their choice not God's. They would be miserable in heaven and God in His mercy puts them to death for their sins since they didn't accept Jesus paying the price for their sins. I don't believe in the fire burning forever as there is a verse in Malachi 4:2 & 3
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The Great Day of the LORD
…2“But for you who fear My name, the sun of righteousness will rise with healing in its wings, and you will go out and leap like calves from the stall. 3Then you will trample the wicked, for they will be ashes under the soles of your feet on the day I am preparing,” says the LORD of Hosts.

Sodom and Gomorrah was burnt with eternal fire but if you go to the location today there is no fire burning however they are destroyed and gone forever.
 

JesusLives

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God loves the sinner He hates the sin. God wants us to all reconcile and be with Him.
 
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Yes, God loves them.

He provided a way out of this sinful world for them the death of His Son. If someone choses not to accept the sacrifice that was made for them that was their choice not God's. They would be miserable in heaven and God in His mercy puts them to death for their sins since they didn't accept Jesus paying the price for their sins. I don't believe in the fire burning forever as there is a verse in Malachi 4:2 & 3
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The Great Day of the LORD
…2“But for you who fear My name, the sun of righteousness will rise with healing in its wings, and you will go out and leap like calves from the stall. 3Then you will trample the wicked, for they will be ashes under the soles of your feet on the day I am preparing,” says the LORD of Hosts.

Sodom and Gomorrah was burnt with eternal fire but if you go to the location today there is no fire burning however they are destroyed and gone forever.
Wow! The objects of God's wrath, He loves them. Wow! He will trample the wicked, and He loves them that He tramples. That's some twisted view of God, saying He loves those that He will punish forever in the lake of fire. :(
 

breno785au

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Still does not negate the fact that "God loves the sinner but hates the sin" looks better on bumper stickers than it does being proclaimed from the pulpit or on christian websites.
Lol... There really is no virtue in preferring the 'harsher' scriptures over the ones that demonstrates the wonders of God's nature.
 
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Lol... There really is no virtue in preferring the 'harsher' scriptures over the ones that demonstrates the wonders of God's nature.
And you can't dismiss His other attributes and focus in on His love. God is love, but that is not all He is. He is also a God of holiness, righteousness, wrath, &c.
 
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Still does not negate the fact that "God loves the sinner but hates the sin" looks better on bumper stickers than it does being proclaimed from the pulpit or on christian websites.
@Magenta, I do not know why you think this post of mine was funny. In Romans 9, Paul clearly lays out that God has both vessels of wrath and vessels of mercy. The vessels of mercy were taken from the same lump as the vessels of wrath are in. These two sets of vessels are not intermingled, either. One does not go from a vessel of wrath to a vessel of mercy and vice versa.

God is immutable and He does not change. If He loves the vessels of wrath, and then punishes them in an eternal lake of fire, that in no way, shape, form, or fashion, constitutes love. That is Him pouring His wrath out on the vessels of wrath.

A third angel followed them and said in a loud voice: “If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives its mark on their forehead or on their hand, they, too, will drink the wine of God’s fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. They will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb.[Revelation 14:9-10]

Then there is In the hand of the LORD is a cup full of foaming wine mixed with spices; he pours it out, and all the wicked of the earth drink it down to its very dregs.[Psalm 75:8]

In both places we see God's wrath. There is no love where His wrath is involved. His hatred of ppl is every bit as real as His love is.
 

breno785au

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And you can't dismiss His other attributes and focus in on His love. God is love, but that is not all He is. He is also a God of holiness, righteousness, wrath, &c.
No one is dismissing anything but you are the only one ridiculing scripture to bumper stickers.
No scripture is worthy of that.
 
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Sin is a word used by archers. It means to miss the mark. God is all good and he loves us His children. All children have to be taught right - hitting the target-from wrong - missing the target-(sinning).. all anger even God's comes from pain.. God gets angery because he's sees the pain we cause not only ourselves but to others.
 

Magenta

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@Magenta, I do not know why you think this post of mine was funny. In Romans 9, Paul clearly lays out that God has both vessels of wrath and vessels of mercy. The vessels of mercy were taken from the same lump as the vessels of wrath are in. These two sets of vessels are not intermingled, either. One does not go from a vessel of wrath to a vessel of mercy and vice versa.
All of us also lived among them at one time, fulfilling the cravings of our flesh and indulging its desires and thoughts. Like the rest, we were by nature children of wrath. Ephesians 2:3
 
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No one is dismissing anything but you are the only one ridiculing scripture to bumper stickers.
No scripture is worthy of that.
I am not ridiculing scripture at all. Don't accuse me of that, k? What I am ridiculing is the false notion of "God loves the sinner but hates the sin." You can not separate them. Both sin and sinners are punished in the lake of fire.
 
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All of us also lived among them at one time, fulfilling the cravings of our flesh and indulging its desires and thoughts. Like the rest, we were by nature children of wrath. Ephesians 2:3
Correct. But that does not mean we were vessels of wrath. The believers were no different in their fallen state than those who die lost. And while we were in our fallen state, we were under His wrath, but we were never vessels of wrath.
 

breno785au

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I am not ridiculing scripture at all. Don't accuse me of that, k? What I am ridiculing is the false notion of "God loves the sinner but hates the sin." You can not separate them. Both sin and sinners are punished in the lake of fire.
I understand now, my mistake.
 
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And you can't dismiss His other attributes and focus in on His love. God is love, but that is not all He is. He is also a God of holiness, righteousness, wrath, &c.
All His other attributes are within His love ...
 
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Sin is a word used by archers. It means to miss the mark. God is all good and he loves us His children. All children have to be taught right - hitting the target-from wrong - missing the target-(sinning).. all anger even God's comes from pain.. God gets angery because he's sees the pain we cause not only ourselves but to others. As hi
 
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All His other attributes are within His love ...
So He is bestowing His love to the vessels of wrath as He casts them headlong into the lake of fire? Let me guess...He tickles them with flaming darts, too. Right? Show me one place where the bible speaks of Him pouring out His wrath, it is an act of Him loving them. Just one.