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I must now stop "casting pearl before the swine"
I shake the dust from off my feet

May God our Father and our Lord Jesus Bless you all
Translation: I must now stop saying things of value to people who will not hear nor listen to it. I am departing in a hurry.

Bless.
 

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Americans have guns under their skin
17.01.2013

First steps towards gun sales restrictions were made in the U.S. New York has toughened its anti-gun laws. The document addresses the issue of mental health of gun buyers and extends the concept of assault weapons. The federal government promised to support the initiative. However, this is not that simple as the Americans have a deeply rooted affection for guns.

After the shooting of 27 people at an elementary school in Newtown, the American society made a number of interesting proposals on this issue. The National Rifle Association (NRA), considered the "gun lobby," proposed to introduce armed guards in the U.S. schools. The Ohio Association of Firearms organized shooting courses for teachers. The Americans are not willing to part with their weapons arsenal. In the days after the massacre, when rumors of a possible ban on free sale of firearms and ammunition emerged in the U.S., the number of guns sold has dramatically increased.

There were times in the United States when a gun was considered the best gift for Christmas for older boys. In the 1950s, arms manufacturers placed ads in newspapers, prompting to give a Browning rifle as a gift to a beloved woman or a teenager. These colorful posters can still be found online. For example, a poster of a smiling freckled boy unwrapping his gift and yelling: "Gee Dad ... a Winchester! "

Many teenagers of that time who grew up on this kind of advertising and gifts are now protesting against the ban on free sale of guns. Markham Air Rifle company released the first batch of air rifles for free sale back in 1880. The company from Plymouth, Massachusetts, Spiegel wrote, flourished not only because of the simplicity of the design of the weapon, but because it skillful marketing. "The King Air Rifle gives courage and strength to boys, makes them prepared, gives them determination and confidence. Train them and later they will be leaders in the business world," an advertising poster of 1905 wrote.

For many young Americans a rifle has become a symbol of prosperity. Markham Air Rifle's competitor, Plymouth Iron Windmill, later renamed Daisy Company, improved its sales by launching a series of air rifles called Daisy. Since the release of A Christmas Story movie in 1983, it quickly became a holiday classic. Some of its success can be attributed to the fact that a generation of men identified themselves with the main character in the movie, Ralphie, who grew up in Indiana in the 1940s, and dreamt about getting the Official Red Ryder Carbine-Action Two-Hundred-Shot Range Model Air Rifle for Christmas.

Daisy Company named its Red Ryder BB Gun in honor of the most popular super-hero of the comics of the 1940s - Red Ryder cowboy. The cowboy from the comics demonstrated an air rifle in advertising, modeled after a rifle from old westerns. Many kids of that era cherished a dream of having a Daisy Red Ryder. Weapons were perceived by boys as a combination of responsibility and adulthood. This rifle can still be found on the shelves of American gun shops.

Since its release in 1938, over 10 million units have been sold. Like for Ralphie from A Christmas Story, games with guns sometimes resulted in the most fatal outcomes. Many mothers worried that their children may lose an eye, and unfortunately, it happened once in a while. However, fathers continued to insist that their 12-year-old offspring were to go hunting with a decent rifle.

The National Rifle Association also encouraged early introduction of teenagers to guns. Military training included training of the younger generation in terms of safe handling of weapons and shooting. This training was similar to the basic military training in Soviet schools. In 1967 Time magazine published an article about a new training program nicknamed by soldiers Quick Kill.

The article quoted 47-year-old Colonel William Koob, chief of weapons at Fort Benning, saying that Quick Kill was shooting in the absence of time for aiming. "When it happens, either kill or be killed." This shooting technique was compared with children's game "cops and robbers" where kids resort to it instinctively.

Igor Bukker

Pravda.Ru

Americans have guns under their skin - English pravda.ru
 

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Jeremiah 16:19 (KJV)
O Lord , my strength, and my fortress, and my refuge in the day of affliction, the Gentiles shall come unto thee from the ends of the earth, and shall say, Surely our fathers have inherited lies, vanity, and things wherein there is no profit.

The Gentiles have inherited lies!
 

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At the time appointed I wonder what Jesus servants are gonna fight with when he comes to take this earth by force

John 18:36-37 (KJV)
Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence. [37] Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.
 

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When The Lord invades the earth and all the weapons accumulated will they work against The Lord's army

Habakkuk 3:11-16 (KJV)
The sun and moon stood still in their habitation: at the light of thine arrows they went, and at the shining of thy glittering spear. [12] Thou didst march through the land in indignation, thou didst thresh the heathen in anger. [13] Thou wentest forth for the salvation of thy people, even for salvation with thine anointed; thou woundedst the head out of the house of the wicked, by discovering the foundation unto the neck. Selah. [14] Thou didst strike through with his staves the head of his villages: they came out as a whirlwind to scatter me: their rejoicing was as to devour the poor secretly. [15] Thou didst walk through the sea with thine horses, through the heap of great waters. [16] When I heard, my belly trembled; my lips quivered at the voice: rottenness entered into my bones, and I trembled in myself, that I might rest in the day of trouble: when he cometh up unto the people, he will invade them with his troops.
 

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Job 24:12-17 (KJV)
Men groan from out of the city, and the soul of the wounded crieth out: yet God layeth not folly to them . [13] They are of those that rebel against the light; they know not the ways thereof, nor abide in the paths thereof. [14] The murderer rising with the light killeth the poor and needy, and in the night is as a thief. [15] The eye also of the adulterer waiteth for the twilight, saying, No eye shall see me: and disguiseth his face. [16] In the dark they dig through houses, which they had marked for themselves in the daytime: they know not the light. [17] For the morning is to them even as the shadow of death: if one know them, they are in the terrors of the shadow of death.
 

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Obama on curbing gun violence: 'Now is the time'

updated 3:00 PM EDT, Wed January 16, 2013

On January 16, the president released his plan to reduce gun violence. Read the details of his proposals below.

Obama on curbing gun violence: 'Now is the time' < click
 

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Genesis 4:19,22-23 (KJV)
And Lamech took unto him two wives: the name of the one was Adah, and the name of the other Zillah. [22] And Zillah, she also bare Tubal-cain, an instructer of every artificer in brass and iron: and the sister of Tubal-cain was Naamah. [23] And Lamech said unto his wives, Adah and Zillah, Hear my voice; ye wives of Lamech, hearken unto my speech: for I have slain a man to my wounding, and a young man to my hurt.

Cain children slay and hurt
 

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Genesis 31:29 (KJV)
It is in the power of my hand to do you hurt: but the God of your father spake unto me yesternight, saying, Take thou heed that thou speak not to Jacob either good or bad.

Something to consider
 

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Exodus 21:22-27 (KJV)
If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her , and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine . [23] And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life, [24] Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, [25] Burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe. [26] And if a man smite the eye of his servant, or the eye of his maid, that it perish; he shall let him go free for his eye's sake. [27] And if he smite out his manservant's tooth, or his maidservant's tooth; he shall let him go free for his tooth's sake.
 

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Ecclesiastes 10:9-10 (KJV)
Whoso removeth stones shall be hurt therewith; and he that cleaveth wood shall be endangered thereby. [10] If the iron be blunt, and he do not whet the edge, then must he put to more strength: but wisdom is profitable to direct.
 

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Psalm 120:5-7 (KJV)
Woe is me, that I sojourn in Mesech, that I dwell in the tents of Kedar! [6] My soul hath long dwelt with him that hateth peace. [7] I am for peace: but when I speak, they are for war.
 

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Who is for peace and who is for war?

Arming yourself is a act of war
Disarming yourself is a act of peace
 

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Exodus 21:22-27 (KJV)
If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her , and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine . [23] And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life, [24] Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, [25] Burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe. [26] And if a man smite the eye of his servant, or the eye of his maid, that it perish; he shall let him go free for his eye's sake. [27] And if he smite out his manservant's tooth, or his maidservant's tooth; he shall let him go free for his tooth's sake.
Are you aware this was to limit violence? For example if someone knocked your tooth out then the worst you could do would be to knock their tooth out and no more.

So if someone today stole your TV, the most you can do is to steal his TV. Shooting the guy would be way out of order.
 
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Joel 3:10-13 (KJV)
Beat your plowshares into swords, and your pruninghooks into spears: let the weak say, I am strong. [11] Assemble yourselves, and come, all ye heathen, and gather yourselves together round about: thither cause thy mighty ones to come down, O Lord . [12] Let the heathen be wakened, and come up to the valley of Jehoshaphat: for there will I sit to judge all the heathen round about. [13] Put ye in the sickle, for the harvest is ripe: come, get you down; for the press is full, the fats overflow; for their wickedness is great.

The Gentiles are correct get your guns

Prepare for war!
 

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Are you aware this was to limit violence? For example if someone knocked your tooth out then the worst you could do would be to knock their tooth out and no more.

So if someone today stole your TV, the most you can do is to steal his TV. Shooting the guy would be way out of order.
Yes

The same still applies today in a different form

No you take him or her to court and or they may go to jail
 

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What did Abraham do when his nephew Lot was taken captive?

Genesis 14: 11 The four kings seized all the goods of Sodom and Gomorrah and all their food; then they went away. 12 They also carried off Abram's nephew Lot and his possessions, since he was living in Sodom. 13 One who had escaped came and reported this to Abram the Hebrew. Now Abram was living near the great trees of Mamre the Amorite, a brother of Eshcol and Aner, all of whom were allied with Abram. 14 When Abram heard that his relative had been taken captive, he called out the 318 trained men born in his household and went in pursuit as far as Dan.15 During the night Abram divided his men to attack them and he routed them, pursuing them as far as Hobah, north of Damascus.16 He recovered all the goods and brought back his relative Lot and his possessions, together with the women and the other people. 17 After Abram returned from defeating Kedorlaomer and the kings allied with him, the king of Sodom came out to meet him in the Valley of Shaveh (that is, the King's Valley). 18 Then Melchizedek king of Salem brought out bread and wine. He was priest of God Most High, 19 and he blessed Abram, saying, "Blessed be Abram by God Most High, Creator of heaven and earth. 20 And blessed be God Most High, who delivered your enemies into your hand." Then Abram gave him a tenth of everything.

What an evil man Abraham must have been, taking up arms against his enemies. Shouldn't he have just turned the other cheek? Shouldn't he have just forgiven them and said, take my nephew, would you like my wife also?

But no, wait! Melchizedek said he (Abraham) was blessed by God most High, and Abraham paid a tithe. What's going on here. This evil man who took up arms to save his nephew.

I guess he didn't have as much faith as many of the people on this thread claim to have. But wait. Paul said that Abraham's faith was credited to him for righteousness. Oh well! What did Paul know!
 

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I truly think that Communism is coming. For a while I've thought this would happen. I hope we're not here for much of it but all things will come to pass.

Disarming citizens would create more crime because the bad guys will still have guns and they will know that everyone else is disarmed. This is an obvious. The ones wanting to disarm citizens are doing it for control purposes.

I read somewhere that China is demanding that US citizens be disarmed. The US must owe to China for them to have any kind of say in US matters. It certainly could benefit China in a way, if you think about it.

My husband has a large collection of guns and samurai sword (he does martial arts, not with the actual sword, it's just to look at, lol) and I've learnt how to use a gun. There are dangerous people out there with firearms, but I know God protects me. He once sent someone to my aid at the exact moment I needed help, the guy had a loaded shotgun. Recently I left the back door unlocked in my house while my husband was away on a business trip. The Holy Spirit alerted me to this by having me put out recycling when I didn't need to. It was a random urge to put out recycling, but I felt protected. God protects us :)

Anyway these are just my thoughts.

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ixd0J5GqC4[/video]
 

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What did Abraham do when his nephew Lot was taken captive?

Genesis 14: 11 The four kings seized all the goods of Sodom and Gomorrah and all their food; then they went away. 12 They also carried off Abram's nephew Lot and his possessions, since he was living in Sodom. 13 One who had escaped came and reported this to Abram the Hebrew. Now Abram was living near the great trees of Mamre the Amorite, a brother of Eshcol and Aner, all of whom were allied with Abram. 14 When Abram heard that his relative had been taken captive, he called out the 318 trained men born in his household and went in pursuit as far as Dan.15 During the night Abram divided his men to attack them and he routed them, pursuing them as far as Hobah, north of Damascus.16 He recovered all the goods and brought back his relative Lot and his possessions, together with the women and the other people. 17 After Abram returned from defeating Kedorlaomer and the kings allied with him, the king of Sodom came out to meet him in the Valley of Shaveh (that is, the King's Valley). 18 Then Melchizedek king of Salem brought out bread and wine. He was priest of God Most High, 19 and he blessed Abram, saying, "Blessed be Abram by God Most High, Creator of heaven and earth. 20 And blessed be God Most High, who delivered your enemies into your hand." Then Abram gave him a tenth of everything.

What an evil man Abraham must have been, taking up arms against his enemies. Shouldn't he have just turned the other cheek? Shouldn't he have just forgiven them and said, take my nephew, would you like my wife also?

But no, wait! Melchizedek said he (Abraham) was blessed by God most High, and Abraham paid a tithe. What's going on here. This evil man who took up arms to save his nephew.

I guess he didn't have as much faith as many of the people on this thread claim to have. But wait. Paul said that Abraham's faith was credited to him for righteousness. Oh well! What did Paul know!
It was a rescue mission, they got back what had been stolen and nobody was hurt.

I'm reading that Melchizedek king of Salem brought out bread and wine and blessed Abraham..

Conclusion: The path into which God calls the believer may often be trying to the flesh, but this does not necessarily indicate that he is out of God’s will. (From the summarised Bible)

May I remind you that Christians are living under a New Covenant.