God or Guns?

iog · Jan 19, 2013

Satan offers the kingdoms and the merchandise of the world because they belong to him until the Lord take it from him

weapon of war and death are part of the offer

Luke 4

1 And Jesus being full of the Holy Ghost returned from Jordan, and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness,

2 Being forty days tempted of the devil. And in those days he did eat nothing: and when they were ended, he afterward hungered.

3 And the devil said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, command this stone that it be made bread.

4 And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.

5 And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time.

6 And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it.

7 If thou therefore wilt worship me, all shall be thine.

iog · Jan 19, 2013

January 18, 2013
2nd Amendment Protected Slavery

In the South, militias were also called "slave patrols," and they were regulated by the states.

Author Says Southerners Wanted to Keep Slave Patrols

As Hollywood puts slavery back in the American consciousness and the reaction to the Newtown, Conn., shootings has the Second Amendment on the front burner, an author and talk-show host links
the two in an intriguing way.

"The Second Amendment was Ratified to Preserve Slavery," reads the headline over a piece by Thom Hartmann posted Tuesday on Truthout, a site that "works to spark action by revealing systemic injustice and providing a platform for transformative ideas, through in-depth investigative reporting and critical analysis."

It begins, "The real reason the Second Amendment was ratified, and why it says 'State' instead of 'Country' (the Framers knew the difference -- see the 10th Amendment), was to preserve the slave patrol militias in the southern states, which was necessary to get Virginia's vote. Founders Patrick Henry, George Mason, and James Madison were totally clear on that . . . and we all should be too.
"In the beginning, there were the militias. In the South, they were also called the 'slave patrols,' and they were regulated by the states.

"In Georgia, for example, a generation before the American Revolution, laws were passed in 1755 and 1757 that required all plantation owners or their male white employees to be members of the Georgia Militia, and for those armed militia members to make monthly inspections of the quarters of all slaves in the state. The law defined which counties had which armed militias and even required armed militia members to keep a keen eye out for slaves who may be planning uprisings.

". . . So Madison, who had (at [Thomas] Jefferson's insistence) already begun to prepare proposed amendments to the Constitution, changed his first draft of one that addressed the militia issue to make sure it was unambiguous that the southern states could maintain their slave patrol militias.

"His first draft for what became the Second Amendment had said: 'The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed; a well armed, and well regulated militia being the best security of a free country [emphasis mine]: but no person religiously scrupulous of bearing arms, shall be compelled to render military service in person.'
"But Henry, Mason and others wanted southern states to preserve their slave-patrol militias independent of the federal government. So Madison changed the word 'country' to the word 'state,' and redrafted the Second Amendment into today's form:

" 'A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State [emphasis mine], the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.' . . . "

Journalist Charles E. Cobb Jr., former field secretary of the Student Non-Violent Coordinating Committee and a founder of the National Association of Black Journalists, is writing a book that argues that "without the armed protection given to civil rights workers by farmers and others, there would have been a lot more deaths" during the civil rights movement, he told Journal-isms by telephone Wednesday. Still, Cobb favors gun control, saying, "What I think is essential is registration."

Asked about the coverage of today's gun debate, Cobb said, "I wish there were more discussion about the culture of guns in the United States, in this kind of society. Guns are romanticized, and you don't hear anything about black resistance, like slave rebellions. . . . This is a frontier society, [and] in that it can't be compared to France or England or Germany," as is often done when gun violence is discussed.

Cobb said that when the Constitution was written, there were two major strands of concern: African slave rebellions and Indian attacks. "The larger question is who gets away with killing people," he added. "Blacks never get away with it. Minorities never get away with it." Cobb's book, "This Nonviolent Stuff Will Get You Killed," is due from Basic Books next year.

A USA Today/Gallup Poll released Monday showed that the number of whites wanting stricter gun laws increased from 23 percent a year ago to 34 percent this month, but rose more sharply -- from 32 percent to 49 percent -- among nonwhites.

2nd Amendment: Right to Bear Arms Meant to Protect Slavery

MidniteWelder · Jan 19, 2013

You could also argue that God initially allowed for slaves and to beat them as well when they didnt behave.
We even have in the New Testament the Lords guidlines for CHRISTIANS how to treat a slave of their very own.
Exodus 21
20 Death is the punishment for beating to death any of your slaves. 21 However, if the slave lives a few days after the beating, you are not to be punished. After all, you have already lost the services of that slave who was your property.
Hmmm I notice God allowed for a death penalty for a certain circumstance then. Same God you claim to follow

Ephesians 6:9
And masters, treat your slaves in the same way. Do not threaten them, since you know that he who is both their Master and yours is in heaven, and there is no favoritism with him.

It was a DEFENDER, a Protector for the PEOPLE who later abolished slavery for not following this Godly principle.

Would you like to continue with contradiction or practice self conviction.

zone · Jan 19, 2013

iog said:

ironically i agree with you.

Israeli children write messages of national unity, and then the bombs are used to attack Gazans, like this little girl on the left. The 'missiles' Israel claims it is attacked by, have killed 28 people in all time, Israel kills that many civilians sometimes in a week.

iog · Jan 19, 2013

MidniteWelder said:

i wonder why the so-called Christians slave master did not read Ephesians 6:9 it was there for them to read.

anyway the wages of sin is death

because of sin people die and because of sin a death penalty was imposed even today we have a death penalty for sin.

so if a person steal your TV should you blast his face off or let the penalty of sin play out?

now the slave master have gotten by with the mistreatment of there slaves but they have not gotten away for the Lord will wake them out of there graves and they will be judged!!!

what I would like to do is give the facts!

the facts is gun and the 2nd amendment kills and have kill and will continue to kill,

Jesus is life

zone · Jan 19, 2013

iog said:

an inanimate object and a piece of paper kill?

MURDERERS MURDER

you better figure that out.
i'm glad you're not my husband, nor the father of my daughter.

if a murderer shows up, i'll be protecting my daughter - by whatever means necessary.

iog · Jan 19, 2013

Matthew 5
25 Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison

do it say blast his head off?
Exodus 22:1-3

King James Version (KJV)

1 If a man shall steal an ox, or a sheep, and kill it, or sell it; he shall restore five oxen for an ox, and four sheep for a sheep.

2 If a thief be found breaking up, and be smitten that he die, there shall no blood be shed for him.

3 If the sun be risen upon him, there shall be blood shed for him; for he should make full restitution; if he have nothing, then he shall be sold for his theft.

iog · Jan 19, 2013

MidniteWelder said:

Deuteronomy 24:7

If a man be found stealing any of his brethren of the children of Israel, and maketh merchandise of him, or selleth him; then that thief shall die; and thou shalt put evil away from among you.

all those slave catcher and master should have been put to death according to the scriptures

iog · Jan 19, 2013

Proverbs 6:

30 Men do not despise a thief, if he steal to satisfy his soul when he is hungry;

31 But if he be found, he shall restore sevenfold; he shall give all the substance of his house.

before you blast the thief head off consider he may be stealing to feed himself or herslef

zone · Jan 19, 2013

iog said:

how dare you mishandle the Lord's words and the context of that passage?

does it say 'agree to let a murderer murder your daughter; lest at any time the murderer deliver thee to the judge'?

huh?

iog said:

great!

my daughter is not an OX.
no murderer can restore my daughter by giving me another - five-fold anything.

you may be a wimp and allow your children to be killed.
that's on your head.

iog · Jan 19, 2013

zone said:

Sister

you could not be my wife because you pout you lust before your faith in Jesus

My house hold is protected by the Lord he has his hedge around me and my household

now if I grow weak in Faith then I would put my faith in a gun

until then vengeance is the Lord and not you!

trust in God and you and your children will come to NO harm.

do you believe that God can protect you and your household?

by you post it do not sound like it.

zone · Jan 19, 2013

iog said:

great...if a thief breaks in while i'm not home, he can take whatever he needs.
where i live NOBODY breaks in or steals to eat - they break in to get money for DRUGS.

where i live no one goes hungry < WELFARE NATION....NO ONE HUNGRY....unless he spends his welfare money on drugs.

if a thief breaks in while i am at home, and my children are here, the overwhelming odds are he's armed and ready to blow my head off to get what he wants.
its more likely he'll have no kneecaps.

okay?
bye.

iog · Jan 19, 2013

zone said:

are you and your family a victim of gun violence?

most of the people here may be not

most here live in a community that carry guns

most live in a community where everyone knows each other

the verse is not out of context and what i find appalling is you bringing your daughter into this

because if or when your children start going to school and you are home or at work how do you plan on protecting them

even when they are adults and out in the work force and you have raised them to be good law abiding citizens how will you protect them. maybe they change there mind set and not be a gun advocate but a bible beleiving God fearing CHRISTIAN

by the way it is written
Matthew 5:5
Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.

blessed are the wimps for they shall inherit the earth

iog · Jan 19, 2013

zone said:

great...if a thief breaks in while i'm not home, he can take whatever he needs.
where i live NOBODY breaks in or steals to eat - they break in to get money for DRUGS.

where i live no one goes hungry < WELFARE NATION....NO ONE HUNGRY....unless he spends his welfare money on drugs.

if a thief breaks in while i am at home, and my children are here, the overwhelming odds are he's armed and ready to blow my head off to get what he wants.
its more likely he'll have no kneecaps.

okay?
bye.

take it up with the Lord

HE WROTE IT!

iog · Jan 19, 2013

zone said:

most theives dont break into homes when someone is there

what we have here is pure emotions taking over

most gun advocates are very compassionate and out right emotional.

zone · Jan 19, 2013

iog said:

what rubbish.
both times i've been robbed it was while we were home and AS WE SLEPT.
the punks were arrested later on one of those occasions and were armed and dangerous....they stole the neighbor's car.
if i had woken up and seen their faces, they would likely have killed me and my kids.
good thing their punk gang didn't have a pedophile rapist along that night.
two little kids asleep in their rooms.

good thing you weren't there.

"oh...take my children and my wife...kill me too..."
eh.

PS · Jan 19, 2013

zone said:

Would you use a kitchen knife Zone?

psychomom · Jan 19, 2013

iog, do you know what 'meekness' even is?

the Lord Jesus was meek.
it doesn't mean He's weak.
meekness is strength under control.

for us, it means (God's) strength under God's control.
if you wish to not own a gun, please, by all means, do so!

but you don't have a right to condemn those who hold a different view.
your use of scripture to 'prove' what you believe is atrocious, frankly.

why don't you move to NYS?
i think you'd like it here.

psychomom · Jan 19, 2013

PS said:

until you are a US citizen, i wish you would be quiet.
what possible difference could our laws make to you?

really?

zone · Jan 19, 2013

iog said:

don't call me sister.
all my Trust is in the Lord.
if i am called to be killed for Christ's Name sake...off i go.

i see NOWHERE in the Gospel that i am called to stand by and watch as some nut tortures and kills an innocent person over drugs or other wordly junk.

oh ya...that's really helpful...i can see it now:

"Sir....you were right there. you were standing there. you could have done something as that psychopath carved up that kid...yet you did nothing."

"oh it's because i am meek and i shall inherit the earth...and that child OBVIOUSLY didn't trust God"

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