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PS that just not true: that folks were vengeful alone
Genesis 9:6: Whoever sheds man’s blood, by man his blood shall be shed; for in the image of God He made man.
God made it that way and they were in obedience for being an avenger of blood.
God said also that unpunished murderers defiled the land: Moreover you shall take no ransom for the life of a murderer who is guilty of death, but he shall surely be put to death . . . So you shall not pollute the land where you are; for blood defiles the land, and no atonement can be made for the land, for the blood that is shed on it, except by the blood of him who shed it. Therefore do not defile the land which you inhabit, in the midst of which I dwell; for I the LORD dwell among the children of Israel. (Numbers 35:31,
Since the avenger of blood might set himself against a person really guilty of manslaughter (accidental or unintentional killing) instead of murder, the cities of refuge were established to protect the person innocent of murder.
Self defense was not murder. If the man had not former hatred as ive read it in Joshua 20.
Genesis 9:6: Whoever sheds man’s blood, by man his blood shall be shed; for in the image of God He made man.
God made it that way and they were in obedience for being an avenger of blood.
God said also that unpunished murderers defiled the land: Moreover you shall take no ransom for the life of a murderer who is guilty of death, but he shall surely be put to death . . . So you shall not pollute the land where you are; for blood defiles the land, and no atonement can be made for the land, for the blood that is shed on it, except by the blood of him who shed it. Therefore do not defile the land which you inhabit, in the midst of which I dwell; for I the LORD dwell among the children of Israel. (Numbers 35:31,
Since the avenger of blood might set himself against a person really guilty of manslaughter (accidental or unintentional killing) instead of murder, the cities of refuge were established to protect the person innocent of murder.
Self defense was not murder. If the man had not former hatred as ive read it in Joshua 20.
Matthew 24
And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple. 2And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
3And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
4And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. 5For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many. 6And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. 7For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. 8All these are the beginning of sorrows.
9Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake. 10And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another. 11And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. 12And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. 13But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. 14And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
15When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand
16Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: 17Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house: 18Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes. 19And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! 20But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: 21For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened. 23Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. 24For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. 25Behold, I have told you before. 26Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not. 27For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 28For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
3And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
4And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. 5For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many. 6And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. 7For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. 8All these are the beginning of sorrows.
9Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake. 10And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another. 11And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. 12And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. 13But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. 14And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
15When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand
16Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: 17Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house: 18Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes. 19And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! 20But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: 21For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened. 23Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. 24For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. 25Behold, I have told you before. 26Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not. 27For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 28For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
If you want to plead modern law you would need to flee to a city of refuge and plead your case before the magistrates, however the two verses you quote confirm the rule of a life for a life, so if you killed an intruder then according to Old Testament law, your life would be required of you. Quoting scripture to support the use of guns is unsafe.
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Im not talking about guns. im talking and responding to 2 in this thread that are using scripture
to futhur their view.
And no you still didnt tell it correct . The avenger was to kill the murderer not an innocent killer.
The city of refuge yes correct...to protect the innocent, judge the guilty..etc
heres one for breaking and entering:
Exodus 22:2-3 2 "If the thief is found breaking in, and he is struck so that he dies, there shall be no guilt for his bloodshed. 3 "If the sun has risen on him, there shall be guilt for his bloodshed.
heres one for gangs:
Esther 8:11-12 11 By these letters the king permitted the Jews who were in every city to gather together and protect their lives -- to destroy, kill, and annihilate all the forces of any people or province that would assault them, both little children and women, and to plunder their possessions...
to futhur their view.
And no you still didnt tell it correct . The avenger was to kill the murderer not an innocent killer.
The city of refuge yes correct...to protect the innocent, judge the guilty..etc
heres one for breaking and entering:
Exodus 22:2-3 2 "If the thief is found breaking in, and he is struck so that he dies, there shall be no guilt for his bloodshed. 3 "If the sun has risen on him, there shall be guilt for his bloodshed.
heres one for gangs:
Esther 8:11-12 11 By these letters the king permitted the Jews who were in every city to gather together and protect their lives -- to destroy, kill, and annihilate all the forces of any people or province that would assault them, both little children and women, and to plunder their possessions...
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So being a Christian entitles you to kill people....
I should read the Sermon on the Mount where Jesus said we shouldn't even call people fool.
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I should read the Sermon on the Mount where Jesus said we shouldn't even call people fool.
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Prov 1:7 The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge; fools despise wisdom and instruction.
Prov 1:22 “How long, O simple ones, will you love being simple?
How long will scoffers delight in their scoffing and fools hate knowledge?
Prov 1:32 For the simple are killed by their turning away, and the complacency of fools destroys them.
Prov 3:35 The wise will inherit honor, but fools get disgrace.
Prov 8:5 O simple ones, learn prudence; O fools, learn sense.
Prov 10:8 The wise of heart will receive commandments, but a babbling fool will come to ruin.
Prov 10:10 Whoever winks the eye causes trouble, but a babbling fool will come to ruin.
Prov 10:14 The wise lay up knowledge, but the mouth of a fool brings ruin near.
Prov 10:18 The one who conceals hatred has lying lips, and whoever utters slander is a fool.
Prov 10:21 The lips of the righteous feed many, but fools die for lack of sense.
Prov 10:23 Doing wrong is like a joke to a fool, but wisdom is pleasure to a man of understanding.
Prov 11:29 Whoever troubles his own household will inherit the wind, and the fool will be servant to the wise of heart.
Prov 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes, but a wise man listens to advice.
Prov 12:16 The vexatio n of a fool is known at once, but the prudent ignores an insult.
Prov 12:23 A prudent man conceals knowledge, but the heart of fools proclaims folly.
Prov 13:16 In everything the prudent acts with knowledge, but a fool flaunts his folly.
Prov 13:19 A desire fulfilled is sweet to the soul, but to turn away from evil is an abomination to fools.
Prov 13:20 Whoever walks with the wise becomes wise, but the companion of fools will suffer harm.
Prov 14:3 By the mouth of a fool comes a rod for his back, but the lips of the wise will preserve them.
Prov 14:7 Leave the presence of a fool, for there you do not meet words of knowledge.
Prov 14:8 The wisdom of the prudent is to discern his way, but the folly of fools is deceiving.
Prov 14:9 Fools mock at the guilt offering, but the upright enjoy acceptance.
Prov 14:16 One who is wise is cautious and turns away from evil, but a fool is reckless and careless.
Prov 14:24 The crown of the wise is their wealth, but the folly of fools brings folly.
Prov 14:33 Wisdom rests in the heart of a man of understanding, but it makes itself known even in the midst of fools.
Prov 15:2 The tongue of the wise commends knowledge, but the mouths of fools pour out folly.
Prov 15:5 A fool despises his father’s instruction, but whoever heeds reproof is prudent.
Prov 15:7 The lips of the wise spread knowledge; not so the hearts of fools.
Prov 15:14 The heart of him who has understanding seeks knowledge, but the mouths of fools feed on folly.
Prov 16:22 Good sense is a fountain of life to him who has it, but the instruction of fools is folly.
Prov 17:7 Fine speech is not becoming to a fool; still less is false speech to a prince.
Prov 17:10 A rebuke goes deeper into a man of understanding than a hundred blows into a fool.
Prov 17:12 Let a man meet a she-bear robbed of her cubs rather than a fool in his folly.
Prov 17:16 Why should a fool have money in his hand to buy wisdom when he has no sense?
Prov 17:21 He who sires a fool gets himself sorrow, and the father of a fool has no joy.
Prov 17:24 The discerning sets his face toward wisdom, but the eyes of a fool are on the ends of the earth.
Prov 17:28 Even a fool who keeps silent is considered wise; when he closes his lips, he is deemed intelligent.
Prov 18:2 A fool takes no pleasure in understanding, but only in expressing his opinion.
Prov 18:6 A fool’s lips walk into a fight, and his mouth invites a beating.
Prov 18:7 A fool’s mouth is his ruin, and his lips are a snare to his soul.
Prov 19:1 Better is a poor person who walks in his integrity than one who is crooked in speech and is a fool.
Prov 19:10 It is not fitting for a fool to live in luxury, much less for a slave to rule over princes.
Prov 19:29 Condemnation is ready for scoffers, and beating for the backs of fools.
Prov 20:3 It is an honor for a man to keep aloof from strife, but every fool will be quarrelling.
Prov 23:9 Do not speak in the hearing of a fool, for he will despise the good sense of your words.
Prov 24:7 Wisdom is too high for a fool; in the gate he does not open his mouth.
Prov 26:1 Like snow in summer or rain in harvest, so honor is not fitting for a fool.
Prov 26:3 A whip for the horse, a bridle for the donkey, and a rod for the back of fools.
Prov 26:4 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you be like him yourself.
Prov 26:5 Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own eyes.
Prov 26:6 Whoever sends a message by the hand of a fool cuts off his own feet and drinks violence.
Prov 26:7 Like a lame man’s legs, which hang useless, is a proverb in the mouth of fools.
Prov 26:8 Like one who binds the stone in the sling is one who gives honor to a fool.
Prov 26:9 Like a thorn that goes up into the hand of a drunkard is a proverb in the mouth of fools.
Prov 26:10 Like an archer who wounds everyone is one who hires a passing fool or drunkard.
Prov 26:11 Like a dog that returns to his vomit is a fool who repeats his folly.
Prov 26:12 Do you see a man who is wise in his own eyes? There is more hope for a fool than for him.
Prov 27:3 A stone is heavy, and sand is weighty, but a fool’s provocation is heavier than both.
Prov 27:22 Crush a fool in a mortar with a pestle along with crushed grain, yet his folly will not depart from him.
Prov 28:26 Whoever trusts in his own mind is a fool, but he who walks in wisdom will be delivered.
Prov 29:9 If a wise man has an argument with a fool, the fool only rages and laughs, and there is no quiet.
Prov 29:11 A fool gives full vent to his spirit, but a wise man quietly holds it back.
Sure enough scripture to indicate we are suposed to recognize a FOOL when we come across one.
Your misconception between murder and killing for self defense is causing you to err in your understanding. I believe that article “The Biblical View of Self-Defense” is scripturally sound. Did you actually read the article? Or did you just skim though it since your mind is already set in this matter.
In the article we read….
The Garden of Gethsemene
Now, the next passage we come to follows these events. Jesus and the disciples are in the garden, and the men come to arrest Jesus. At least two of the disciples are armed, with the knowledge and consent of Jesus. Here is the question: Will they use the sword against the armed multitude which has come against Him? Let's look at the three passages which recount this event.
Luke 22:49-53 (NAS) 49 And when those who were around Him saw what was going to happen, they said, "Lord, shall we strike with the sword?" 50 And a certain one of them struck the slave of the high priest and cut off his right ear. 51 But Jesus answered and said, "Stop! No more of this." And He touched his ear and healed him. 52 And Jesus said to the chief priests and officers of the temple and elders who had come against Him, "Have you come out with swords and clubs as against a robber? 53 "While I was with you daily in the temple, you did not lay hands on Me; but this hour and the power of darkness are yours."
Matthew 26:51-56 51 And suddenly, one of those who were with Jesus stretched out his hand and drew his sword, struck the servant of the high priest, and cut off his ear. 52 But Jesus said to him, "Put your sword in its place, for all who take the sword will perish by the sword. 53 "Or do you think that I cannot now pray to My Father, and He will provide Me with more than twelve legions of angels? 54 "How then could the Scriptures be fulfilled, that it must happen thus?" 55 In that hour Jesus said to the multitudes, "Have you come out, as against a robber, with swords and clubs to take Me? I sat daily with you, teaching in the temple, and you did not seize Me. 56 "But all this was done that the Scriptures of the prophets might be fulfilled."
John 18:10-11 10 Then Simon Peter, having a sword, drew it and struck the high priest's servant, and cut off his right ear. The servant's name was Malchus. 11 So Jesus said to Peter, "Put your sword into the sheath. Shall I not drink the cup which My Father has given Me?"
In these three passages, you get a sense that Jesus is saying, "Though we have a right to employ our swords in defense of this unrighteous arrest, we are intentionally putting aside our lawful right, and I am allowing myself to be taken without resistance." See how this is expressed: "Lord shall we strike with the sword?" "No more of this." "This is your hour, and the power of darkness." "Put up your sword... or do you think that I cannot now pray to My Father... all this was done that the Scriptures...might be fulfilled." "Put your sword into the sheath. Shall I not drink the cup...?"
Why Christ tells Peter to put up the sword:
Christ is willingly laying down His life, though He has the right to use sword and angelic legions to deliver Himself from this unjust arrest (Luke 22:51, John 18:11).
Those who are quick to resort to violence will die by violence (Matt 26:52). The Lord hates the one who "loves violence" (Psalm 11:5).
The sword is not always the appropriate response, especially in persecution for Christ.
There is greater protection than swords.
What I also see in this is that there is a time to be led to the slaughter. For even our Lord knew what our Father’s will was for Him in His response, “Shall I not drink the cup which My Father has given Me?”
When persecution befall us for our belief, faith, and love for our Lord, it is then when we should be as sheep led to the slaughter, for the testimony of Jesus Christ.
But just go ahead and continue to ignore the scripturally sound rebuttals many have given you. Just be careful, in my opinion, you are putting a stumbling block before your brethern.
1Christianwarrior316
In the article we read….
The Garden of Gethsemene
Now, the next passage we come to follows these events. Jesus and the disciples are in the garden, and the men come to arrest Jesus. At least two of the disciples are armed, with the knowledge and consent of Jesus. Here is the question: Will they use the sword against the armed multitude which has come against Him? Let's look at the three passages which recount this event.
Luke 22:49-53 (NAS) 49 And when those who were around Him saw what was going to happen, they said, "Lord, shall we strike with the sword?" 50 And a certain one of them struck the slave of the high priest and cut off his right ear. 51 But Jesus answered and said, "Stop! No more of this." And He touched his ear and healed him. 52 And Jesus said to the chief priests and officers of the temple and elders who had come against Him, "Have you come out with swords and clubs as against a robber? 53 "While I was with you daily in the temple, you did not lay hands on Me; but this hour and the power of darkness are yours."
Matthew 26:51-56 51 And suddenly, one of those who were with Jesus stretched out his hand and drew his sword, struck the servant of the high priest, and cut off his ear. 52 But Jesus said to him, "Put your sword in its place, for all who take the sword will perish by the sword. 53 "Or do you think that I cannot now pray to My Father, and He will provide Me with more than twelve legions of angels? 54 "How then could the Scriptures be fulfilled, that it must happen thus?" 55 In that hour Jesus said to the multitudes, "Have you come out, as against a robber, with swords and clubs to take Me? I sat daily with you, teaching in the temple, and you did not seize Me. 56 "But all this was done that the Scriptures of the prophets might be fulfilled."
John 18:10-11 10 Then Simon Peter, having a sword, drew it and struck the high priest's servant, and cut off his right ear. The servant's name was Malchus. 11 So Jesus said to Peter, "Put your sword into the sheath. Shall I not drink the cup which My Father has given Me?"
In these three passages, you get a sense that Jesus is saying, "Though we have a right to employ our swords in defense of this unrighteous arrest, we are intentionally putting aside our lawful right, and I am allowing myself to be taken without resistance." See how this is expressed: "Lord shall we strike with the sword?" "No more of this." "This is your hour, and the power of darkness." "Put up your sword... or do you think that I cannot now pray to My Father... all this was done that the Scriptures...might be fulfilled." "Put your sword into the sheath. Shall I not drink the cup...?"
Why Christ tells Peter to put up the sword:
Christ is willingly laying down His life, though He has the right to use sword and angelic legions to deliver Himself from this unjust arrest (Luke 22:51, John 18:11).
Those who are quick to resort to violence will die by violence (Matt 26:52). The Lord hates the one who "loves violence" (Psalm 11:5).
The sword is not always the appropriate response, especially in persecution for Christ.
There is greater protection than swords.
What I also see in this is that there is a time to be led to the slaughter. For even our Lord knew what our Father’s will was for Him in His response, “Shall I not drink the cup which My Father has given Me?”
When persecution befall us for our belief, faith, and love for our Lord, it is then when we should be as sheep led to the slaughter, for the testimony of Jesus Christ.
But just go ahead and continue to ignore the scripturally sound rebuttals many have given you. Just be careful, in my opinion, you are putting a stumbling block before your brethern.
1Christianwarrior316
Remember this is Jewish law:
Exo 22:2 "If a thief is killed while trying to break into a house at night, then no one will be guilty for killing him. But if this happens during the day, the one who killed him will be guilty of murder.
I admit not understanding why it was lawful to kill a thief at night but not in the daytime. Barnes offers the following explanation.
"If a thief, in breaking into a dwelling in the night, was slain, the person who slew him did not incur the guilt of blood; but if the same occurred in daylight, the slayer was guilty in accordance with Exo_21:12. The distinction may have been based on the fact that in the light of day there was a fair chance of identifying and apprehending the thief."
Esther 8:11-12 is for one day only when the Jews were allowed to protect themselves from their attackers. That is if they were attacked on that day. This was not allowed any other time so if you were captive in a foreign land you would be allowed to protect yourself on one day only.
Est 8:11 The king's commands in the letters said this: The Jews in every city have the right to gather together to protect themselves. They have the right to ruin, kill, and completely destroy any army from any group who might attack them and their women and children. And the Jews have the right to take and destroy the property of their enemies. The day set for the Jews to do this was the 13th day of the twelfth month, the month of Adar. They were permitted to do this in all King Xerxes' provinces.
The commentator says:
To destroy, to slay, and to cause to perish - The same words as in Haman’s decree: therefore the Jews had as much authority to slay their enemies, as their enemies had to slay them.
Exo 22:2 "If a thief is killed while trying to break into a house at night, then no one will be guilty for killing him. But if this happens during the day, the one who killed him will be guilty of murder.
I admit not understanding why it was lawful to kill a thief at night but not in the daytime. Barnes offers the following explanation.
"If a thief, in breaking into a dwelling in the night, was slain, the person who slew him did not incur the guilt of blood; but if the same occurred in daylight, the slayer was guilty in accordance with Exo_21:12. The distinction may have been based on the fact that in the light of day there was a fair chance of identifying and apprehending the thief."
Esther 8:11-12 is for one day only when the Jews were allowed to protect themselves from their attackers. That is if they were attacked on that day. This was not allowed any other time so if you were captive in a foreign land you would be allowed to protect yourself on one day only.
Est 8:11 The king's commands in the letters said this: The Jews in every city have the right to gather together to protect themselves. They have the right to ruin, kill, and completely destroy any army from any group who might attack them and their women and children. And the Jews have the right to take and destroy the property of their enemies. The day set for the Jews to do this was the 13th day of the twelfth month, the month of Adar. They were permitted to do this in all King Xerxes' provinces.
The commentator says:
To destroy, to slay, and to cause to perish - The same words as in Haman’s decree: therefore the Jews had as much authority to slay their enemies, as their enemies had to slay them.
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Yes i knew that there was a reason for that one and also others. Thing is there never
was a time when they couldnt protect themselves. And often there were night watchman
guards(servants) and the like.
Communities were different than today. Small tribes, where everyone knew everyone. Thats why you didnt
kill a daytime thief. Because first of all you could see him and not fear for your life. Night thiefs may kill you.
And noone had guns.
Todays society we dont know every person we see pass by. If someone robs a store high on meth
he may just feel he needs to kill whoever seen him. Not too many people ever want to kill someone.
But not too many people want to be killed or have anyone else killed either.
If somehow all guns could really be taken off the planet. We would prolly start shapenning a stick
to protect ourselves and our neighbors.
was a time when they couldnt protect themselves. And often there were night watchman
guards(servants) and the like.
Communities were different than today. Small tribes, where everyone knew everyone. Thats why you didnt
kill a daytime thief. Because first of all you could see him and not fear for your life. Night thiefs may kill you.
And noone had guns.
Todays society we dont know every person we see pass by. If someone robs a store high on meth
he may just feel he needs to kill whoever seen him. Not too many people ever want to kill someone.
But not too many people want to be killed or have anyone else killed either.
If somehow all guns could really be taken off the planet. We would prolly start shapenning a stick
to protect ourselves and our neighbors.
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I was out of this thread because of its ever increasing stupidities, but some misuses of God's word (when addressed to me) I can't let pass.
So are you saying that we we can now abandon the basic biblical and godly principle of "Rescueing the weak and needy; and deliverering them out of the hand of the wicked" because the verse I qouted was about Old Testament judges?
I would laugh my fool head off if your determination to defend doctrines to the point of rediculousness, wasn't so tragic.
Now I am out of here and I couldn't care less what your response will be.
So are you saying that we we can now abandon the basic biblical and godly principle of "Rescueing the weak and needy; and deliverering them out of the hand of the wicked" because the verse I qouted was about Old Testament judges?
I would laugh my fool head off if your determination to defend doctrines to the point of rediculousness, wasn't so tragic.
Now I am out of here and I couldn't care less what your response will be.
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Why don't we agree to disagree? I think guns are a health hazard, people on here think guns are desirable,
I'll stick to my guns and you stick to your guns and we will call it a day. How about that?
I'll stick to my guns and you stick to your guns and we will call it a day. How about that?
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I agree with you, people do misuse God's word by taking it out of context the same as you did. Psalm 82:4 is a request to be rescued from corrupt magistrates. Nobody was being violently attacked.
Other verses ask God to rescue those who have been humbled (Job 22:29) Those who are living in danger of Hell Fire need to be rescued. (Jud 1:23) People are looking to God to rescue their soul. You would have made a better case for yourself if you had quoted a verse from the New Testament which is the dispensation we are living in where the disciples or others were looking to be rescued by a human being with swords and javelins but you failed to do that.
Other verses ask God to rescue those who have been humbled (Job 22:29) Those who are living in danger of Hell Fire need to be rescued. (Jud 1:23) People are looking to God to rescue their soul. You would have made a better case for yourself if you had quoted a verse from the New Testament which is the dispensation we are living in where the disciples or others were looking to be rescued by a human being with swords and javelins but you failed to do that.
Genesis 2:16-17 (KJV)
And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: [17] But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
Man ate of the tree of good and evil now man dies
Romans 5:12 (KJV)
Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
Sin entered in because of man now we have death
And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: [17] But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
Man ate of the tree of good and evil now man dies
Romans 5:12 (KJV)
Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
Sin entered in because of man now we have death
America as in every country or state or place on this earth belongs to Satan
Luke 4:4-6 (KJV)
And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God. [5] And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time. [6] And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it.
Who is satan
Revelation 9:11 (KJV)
And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.
The destroyer
I wonder if satan is a respective of person ?
Luke 4:4-6 (KJV)
And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God. [5] And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time. [6] And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it.
Who is satan
Revelation 9:11 (KJV)
And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.
The destroyer
I wonder if satan is a respective of person ?
Americans and every person on this earth WOE. Satan controls your government
Revelation 12:9,12 (KJV)
And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. [12] Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
Revelation 12:9,12 (KJV)
And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. [12] Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.