God's ideal diet IS vegetarian.

[VCO]

Lamb was on the MENU every single Passover for sure as well as boiled eggs. So, the false idea that GOD does not wants us to vegans is blown completely out the window. Oh, by the way how many vegans eat Horse Radish on a regular basis, that was also on the Passover menu.

As for me, I will always continue to thank GOD for fresh meat. Believe it or not, two of my favorites when I was growing up, were Snapping Turtle and Bull Frog Legs.

I am sorry but I did not say that right. I meant to say:

So, the false idea that GOD wants us to be vegetarians is blown completely out the window.


I know I am old and slower at typing these than most people posting here;
but is anyone else finding the 5 minute time limit for editing posts WAY TOO SHORT?
It seems to discriminate against those of us who are slower.

 

[VCO]

Hang on that is kind of incorrect thing to say, people could proberbly prove the moon is made of cheese by cherry picking verses from the Bible, you see it all the time on here especailly with cults like King James Only who pick on a couple of verse through the Bible to claim King James of 1611 is perfect final authority.

NO what you should be asking is show me where God has specifically told us not to eat meat. There is none. If we were not to eat meat then why did God give the Israelites quails, that's a type of bird,to eat?

If God told man "you can not eat meat" then gives meat to people to eat,
then that would make God a liar and hypocrite.

Very good point!

Besides, the main reason for the dietary laws was to keep HIS Chosen People away from the Pagan Feasts that frequently ended up in drunken orgies. REMEMBER a Jew was considered defiled if he so much as set foot into a gentile's house. The secondary reason was due to the lack or refrigeration, it protected them from animals known to carry major diseases of the day. HOWEVER, THE MAJOR REASON REMAINS, to keep the race pure UNTIL Messiah could come from the Line of DAVID. Don't you think Satan had a very active part in using those Pagan Feasts to tempt God's People in so that he (Satan) could pollute the race so that Messiah could not come purely through the line of DAVID as planned?

When GOD wanted the Two Peoples to become ONE (Jews and Gentiles); GOD Himself ended the Dietary Laws, otherwise Peter would have had to REFUSE to go into the house of Cornelius.

Acts 10:10-16 (NASB)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] But he became hungry and was desiring to eat; but while they were making preparations, he fell into a trance;
[SUP]11 [/SUP] and he *saw the sky opened up, and an object like a great sheet coming down, lowered by four corners to the ground,
[SUP]12 [/SUP] and there were in it all kinds of four-footed animals and crawling creatures of the earth and birds of the air.
[SUP]13 [/SUP] A voice came to him, "Get up, Peter, kill and eat!"
[SUP]14 [/SUP] But Peter said, "By no means, Lord, for I have never eaten anything unholy and unclean."
[SUP]15 [/SUP] Again a voice came to him a second time, "What God has cleansed, no longer consider unholy."
[SUP]16 [/SUP] This happened three times, and immediately the object was taken up into the sky.

THAT barrier Peter mentioned in verse 14, extended even to entering a gentiles house because unclean animals were consumed there. It would have PREVENTED Peter from even going to Cornelius' house. HENCE AFTER GOD ENDED THE DEITARY LAWS, GOD INSPIRED PAUL TO SAY:

1 Timothy 4:4-5 (NKJV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] For every creature of God is good, and nothing is to be refused if it is received with thanksgiving;
[SUP]5 [/SUP] for it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

I know that about now, those who disagree with me are thinking, but that contradicts what Jesus said about not one jot or tittle shall pass from the LAW. AND that is TRUE, unless GOD Himself gives us an EXCEPTION to that rule.

Has Jesus not been our High Priest ever since the beginning of the Church?

What Tribe is Jesus from? Correct, He is called the Lion of the Tribe of Judah!
Then the Priesthood changed from the Tribe of Levi to the Tribe of Judah, didn't it?

Hebrews 7:12-14 (NASB)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] For when the priesthood is changed, of necessity there takes place a change of law also.
[SUP]13 [/SUP] For the one concerning whom these things are spoken belongs to another tribe, from which no one has officiated at the altar.
[SUP]14 [/SUP] For it is evident that our Lord was descended from Judah, a tribe with reference to which Moses spoke nothing concerning priests.

 

[Brother_Don]

the title to thread is, Gods ideal diet is vegetarian. the title is not, you must be vegetarian. take a person that has been eating flesh, verses a person thats been vegetarian. give each a physical and see which one is healthier, that is why its the ideal diet. i'm vegetarian and not to brag on me but to brag on the vegetarian diet God gave me, i can put people half my age to shame running circles around them, not by my strength, but buy God and the diet He gave me.

 

[VCO]

the title to thread is, Gods ideal diet is vegetarian. the title is not, you must be vegetarian. take a person that has been eating flesh, verses a person thats been vegetarian. give each a physical and see which one is healthier, that is why its the ideal diet. i'm vegetarian and not to brag on me but to brag on the vegetarian diet God gave me, i can put people half my age to shame running circles around them, not by my strength, but buy God and the diet He gave me.

You would be wrong about that in many cases. My son-inlaw is a vegetarian, and I never have been, and he looks a lot older than me. His skin color is very pale most of the time, while mine never is and yes we both are Caucasian. He already has way more gray hair than me, and my hair is STILL naturally dark brown. In my opinion, the theory that a vegetarian diet is healthier, is one that is mostly made up by people who are peddling Vegetarian Diets. It may by the grace of GOD be one that working for you, but it does not work for everyone. Three days without red meat, and I am ready to get out my bow.

 

[Brother_Don]

Maybe he is lacking something? maybe he's doing it for health only, glorifying the flesh. i am vegetarian for the love of God and His creation, not health only, health is one of the benefits. NOW HEAR THIS, i'm not judging anyone for eating flesh, my wife eats flesh, been with her 27 years, some times i even cook her flesh for her, the Word does say husbands love your wives as Christ loves the church.

 

[danschance]

If God's ideal diet is veggeies then:

1) Why did he order the Hebrews to eat a lamb for Passover?
2) why did God fed Elijah bread from ravens and locusts?
3) Why did Jesus cook fish for his disciples after His resurrection?
4) Why did He tell the Jews to eat certain animals?
5) Why didn't God say being a vegetarian is best?
6) How do you know it is God's Ideal diet?

 

[Agricola]

Oh, by the way how many vegans eat Horse Radish on a regular basis, that was also on the Passover menu.

I am not sure if you know what Horseraddish really is? It is a root vegtable, not sure if its myth or fact, but apparently given the name because it looks like a horses penis.

 

[posthuman]

Slow down bud.

Romans 14:2

New International Version (NIV)

[SUP]2 [/SUP]One person

not so slow, buddy. post the whole verse.

One person's faith allows them to eat anything, but another, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables.
(Romans 14:2) NIV

 

[posthuman]

thats right 2Thewaters, kinda, God gave us dominion over the animals, that means made us kings over them, do we want to be good kings that give our subjects life and freedom? or kings that pen up our subjects and slaughter them? i've seen people say well Jesus ate fish. So i researched that over the years, the diet that Jesus may have chose. when i see Jesus eating fish, i think it was a kind of relish they put on bread called fish weed. i really don't know that is just what i've come up with searching, and seeking. Christ Jesus is the Prince of peace, so in my opinion He is a vegetarian.

in your extensive research, did you happen to come across Christ telling the disciples which side of the boat to cast a net on, so that they could catch lots of fish? or Christ himself cooking fish for breakfast? (John 21)

 

[posthuman]

the title to thread is, Gods ideal diet is vegetarian. the title is not, you must be vegetarian.

God's ideal diet isn't tofu and eggplant, and it's not duck jerky and tuna steaks either.

"My food," said Jesus, "is to do the will of him who sent me and to finish his work."
(John 4:34)

 

[john832]

I don't know about that. Cain gave vegetables and Able gave meat. God chose the meat.

God did not choose meat, the choice was based on attitude...

Gen 4:4 And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the LORD had respect unto Abel and to his offering:
Gen 4:5 But unto Cain and to his offering he had not respect. And Cain was very wroth, and his countenance fell.

Why?

Gen 4:6 And the LORD said unto Cain, Why art thou wroth? and why is thy countenance fallen?
Gen 4:7 If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.

It was about Cain's attitude as is seen in the next verse...

Gen 4:8 And Cain talked with Abel his brother: and it came to pass, when they were in the field, that Cain rose up against Abel his brother, and slew him.

Vanity, jealousy, lust and greed (we call that human nature) overpowered Cain and he lost control and killed Abel.

It was not about the type of offering as much as it was about attitude.

 

[john832]

when you eat a plant it DIES...

the only two foods which do not include some form of death are MILK and HONEY... sound familiar?

What about fruit? That does not kill a tree to eat it's fruit.

 

[john832]

the wolf will eat straw like the ox, so on His Holy Mountain must be some kind of eating. When we eat a plant its alive, if one chooses eating flesh its dead when they eat it. I'm not saying one should not eat what they want. i choose life. When Noah and his family came off ark, God told him

Genesis 9:3-5

King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]3 [/SUP]Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And surely your blood of your lives will I require; at the hand of every beast will I require it, and at the hand of man; at the hand of every man's brother will I require the life of man.

This occurs during the Millenium and is the result of Christ ruling the world with Satan incarcerated.

 

[john832]

We will not be killing cows in heaven. Pets are our children.
Why would you kill your children and eat them?

We surely won't, since no one goes there. Now on earth, during the Millenium...

Isa 61:2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn;
Isa 61:3 To appoint unto them that mourn in Zion, to give unto them beauty for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness; that they might be called trees of righteousness, the planting of the LORD, that he might be glorified.
Isa 61:4 And they shall build the old wastes, they shall raise up the former desolations, and they shall repair the waste cities, the desolations of many generations.
Isa 61:5 And strangers shall stand and feed your flocks, and the sons of the alien shall be your plowmen and your vinedressers.

Why would anyone keep flocks and herds if they were not going to use them? Meat will be eaten in the Millenium.

Isa 30:20 And though the Lord give you the bread of adversity, and the water of affliction, yet shall not thy teachers be removed into a corner any more, but thine eyes shall see thy teachers:
Isa 30:21 And thine ears shall hear a word behind thee, saying, This is the way, walk ye in it, when ye turn to the right hand, and when ye turn to the left.
Isa 30:22 Ye shall defile also the covering of thy graven images of silver, and the ornament of thy molten images of gold: thou shalt cast them away as a menstruous cloth; thou shalt say unto it, Get thee hence.
Isa 30:23 Then shall he give the rain of thy seed, that thou shalt sow the ground withal; and bread of the increase of the earth, and it shall be fat and plenteous: in that day shall thy cattle feed in large pastures.
Isa 30:24 The oxen likewise and the young asses that ear the ground shall eat clean provender, which hath been winnowed with the shovel and with the fan.

 

[Brother_Don]

i can answer a couple of dans questions, i don't think the locust was a bug i think it is like a bean grows in a pea pod like shell. The reason i think it is ideal, in the beginning, God said it shall be meat. Genesis 1:29. BTW i don't think Jesus took part in that tradition of eating lamb at passover, at the last supper He ate bread.

 

[john832]

Numbers 11:31-35, is where agricola is talking about, but we must keep reading, what happened to the people that chose to eat the quail in verse 33?

But the whole passage is not about meat, again, it is about attitude...

Num 11:4 And the mixt multitude that was among them fell a lusting: and the children of Israel also wept again, and said, Who shall give us flesh to eat?
Num 11:5 We remember the fish, which we did eat in Egypt freely; the cucumbers, and the melons, and the leeks, and the onions, and the garlick:

What fish and cukes and melons and leeks and onions and garlic? They were salve labor in concentration camps and Pharoah meant to work them to death. They were not eating such fare, they were subsisting on fishheads and scraps.

They had a rotten attitude.

 

[john832]

No I was from Nebraska, not Arkansaw, LOL. That may be a local joke that you have never heard of. It was an expression where I grew up that if you shot a bird on the set, you Arkansawed them. I think that expression came from the depression era when it was legal to commercially hunt and even shoot ducks on the water, and then sell them to grocery stores or trade them for groceries. My grandfather used to tell me stories about those days of commercial hunting. I was raised after it became illegal to shoot a bird on the ground or the water. At one time I was very good at knocking down quail, pheasants, and ducks on the fly.

Wild duck breasts actually make VERY GOOD jerky.

There is some truth to "Arkansawing"...

Deu 22:6 If a bird's nest chance to be before thee in the way in any tree, or on the ground, whether they be young ones, or eggs, and the dam sitting upon the young, or upon the eggs, thou shalt not take the dam with the young:
Deu 22:7 But thou shalt in any wise let the dam go, and take the young to thee; that it may be well with thee, and that thou mayest prolong thy days.

 

[john832]

I am sorry but I did not say that right. I meant to say:

So, the false idea that GOD wants us to be vegetarians is blown completely out the window.


I know I am old and slower at typing these than most people posting here;
but is anyone else finding the 5 minute time limit for editing posts WAY TOO SHORT?
It seems to discriminate against those of us who are slower.

It is WAY TOO SHORT for an old man like me.

 

[Brother_Don]

look at Daniel, Hananiah, Mishael, Azariah, they refused the kings meat and wine, in Daniel 1:5-21

 

[Tintin]

look at Daniel, Hananiah, Mishael, Azariah, they refused the kings meat and wine, in Daniel 1:5-21

You can make the Bible say whatever you want it to say, if you take it out of context, like you do here. It's not a matter of salvation but at least be honest about it.