God's ideal diet IS vegetarian.

[violakat]

"Receive one who is weak in the faith, but not to disputes over doubtful things. [SUP]2 [/SUP]For one believes he may eat all things, but he who is weak eats only vegetables. [SUP]3 [/SUP]Let not him who eats despise him who does not eat, and let not him who does not eat judge him who eats; for God has received him. [SUP]4 [/SUP]Who are you to judge another’s servant? To his own master he stands or falls. Indeed, he will be made to stand, for God is able to make him stand." Romans 14:1-2 NKJV (I believe the KJV states herbs.)

If you are living a vegan or vegetarian lifestyle because that's what God wants, then you should. However, if you are not living that lifestyle because you do not feel condemned, then it's also okay. Paul clearly discusses this particular topic in Romans. He somehow knew this would be a situation in the end times. Are we allowed to eat meat, yes. Are we allowed to live a vegan life. Yes. However, neither the vegan, vegetarian, or non-vegetarian should condemn anyone.

 

[Bowman]

Yes, there was no death in the beginning, even of animals.

The first animal to die was as a sacrifice to clothe Adam and Eve with its skin (Ge 3:21).

After that God gave mankind everything that lives and moves as his food. (Ge 9:3)
It matters not what we will eat in the New Jerusalem. That is future.

On this earth now, God has given us everything that lives and moves as food.
And if God has given it to me, I don't need to improve upon it.

There was plenty of death before Adam & Eve....both animal and plant.

Just on the very elementary basis of the plant life that they ate....the plants had to die when they were consumed...

 

[Trax]

I don't see a verse here saying Christians are to be vegetarian.
People wern't supposed to eat sacrified animals.

It all boils down to paganism, that is, worshipping animals. An article came out today talking about how
many little critters cats eat each year. Here is a snipit:

Cats kill billions of birds every year and even more tiny rodents and other mammals in the United States, a new study finds.

According to the research, published Tuesday in the journal Nature Communications, cats kill between 1.4 billion
and 3.7 billion birds and between 6.9 billion and 20.7 billion small mammals, such as meadow voles and chipmunks.

I guess they'll want cats to become V-Gens too.
Link:Study: Cats kill billions of animals a year - CBS News

If being a vegetarian were a matter of a health issue, health related sources would be used. But when
God's word is used, its a spiritual issue. The worship of animals and the planet is on the rise. They got to
protect those disease carrying rats at all cost.
Rev 6:8 And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death,
and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth,
to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.

So all these animals they put great effort to protect are going to come back and bite them.
And it appears to be in a literal sense.

 

[CDavid]

God's ideal diet IS vegetarian.

Man was originally created as vegetarian:
In the Garden of Eden, God said, "See, I have given you every herb that yields seed
which is on the face of all the earth, and every tree whose fruit yields seed; to
you it shall be for food." Gen 1:29

Man ends as a vegetarian:
In the New Heaven and New Earth. No more death ( ie, slaughter of animals ) Rev. 21:4

Isaiah 11:6-9, foresee a return to this vegetarian world where the wolf, lamb, lion, cow, snake
and little child co-exist peacefully.

Basically, there are health vegans and ethical vegans. Many vegans are both. Health-wise,
a diet high in animal fat and casein from dairy products is a trigger for many of our Western
diseases, specifically heart disease and cancer.
As man returns to a Garden of Eden diet, a vegetarian diet, scientific research confirms that this
diet is responsible for the prevention, regression, or even the reversal of many of the diseases
present in our society today.

And from an ethical standpoint, I believe that God’s instruction for mankind to behave as benevolent
stewards of His kingdom on earth has been basically ignored through mankind’s selfish choices.
Mankind must cease to be motivated by the desire for oppressive power, and instead work to eliminate
the shameful, gruesome and inhumane practices of factory farming for food and fur, indiscriminate
hunting, poaching and other animal cruelties that threaten the very definition of humanity.

We see that being vegan was God's initial plan in the book of Genesis, and is his ultimate plan in the
book of Revelation. Yet is it OK to live up to God's ideal of being vegan today? Of course!
As Jesus said, "Your kingdom come. Your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven" (Matthew 6:10).
However, eating certain meats is allowed in the Bible. Therefore, vegan Christians and Christians who
eat meat must not look down or condemn each other, because "God has accepted them"

I don't know about that. Cain gave vegetables and Able gave meat. God chose the meat.

 

[Tintin]

While I agree that God has nothing against the eating of meat, I don't think you can use the story of Cain and Abel to support such a view. God chose the meat only because Abel gave God his first fruits as an offering to Him, while Cain didn't.

 

[BarlyGurl]

when you eat a plant it DIES...

the only two foods which do not include some form of death are MILK and HONEY... sound familiar?

 

[Jordache]

God chose the meat because sacrifice required blood.

 

[CDavid]

While I agree that God has nothing against the eating of meat, I don't think you can use the story of Cain and Abel to support such a view. God chose the meat only because Abel gave God his first fruits as an offering to Him, while Cain didn't.

Hay, lighten up. I'm just joking. This whole dietary thing is a joke. Really, it's not what we put in our mouth that defiles us, but what comes out.
Bless your heart! Eat what you want! Just be sensible.

 

[Tintin]

CDavid, I was just offering an explanation for why God chose Abel's sacrifice over Cain's. I didn't catch your joke but I don't think I was being too serious. No harm done.

 

[CDavid]

CDavid, I was just offering an explanation for why God chose Abel's sacrifice over Cain's. I didn't catch your joke but I don't think I was being too serious. No harm done.

I might joke around a little too much, some times.

 

[Tintin]

No worries, mate. Maybe just add a smiley face after each joke. Communicating humour via the Internet is sometimes difficult otherwise.

 

[Elin]

There was plenty of death before Adam & Eve....both animal and plant.

According to Genesis, man was created the day after the animals.
Genesis does not state any death of animals prior to the creation of Adam and Eve.
There is no Biblical basis for your assertion.

 

[Elin]

Nor do I. I'm just saying, you don't have to be a meat eater either. If we don't sacrifice animals to God any more, and sacrificed animals aren't to be eaten anyway, then there's no reason that a believer has to eat meat.

Actually, they were required to eat the meat of the fellowship offering (Lev 19:5-8).

 

[Ritter]

Crossnote did a good job of stating what is biblically permissible. I would argue that the vegetarian/vegan craze is ultimately unhealthy.

Protein is a necessary building block for your body, and meat has the lion's share of it. To consume the amount of protein your body needs without meat means a lot of dairy, which isn't necessarily good for health either.

 

[Brother_Don]

the wolf will eat straw like the ox, so on His Holy Mountain must be some kind of eating. When we eat a plant its alive, if one chooses eating flesh its dead when they eat it. I'm not saying one should not eat what they want. i choose life. When Noah and his family came off ark, God told him

[h=3]Genesis 9:3-5[/h]King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]3 [/SUP]Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And surely your blood of your lives will I require; at the hand of every beast will I require it, and at the hand of man; at the hand of every man's brother will I require the life of man.

 

[violakat]

Crossnote did a good job of stating what is biblically permissible. I would argue that the vegetarian/vegan craze is ultimately unhealthy.

Protein is a necessary building block for your body, and meat has the lion's share of it. To consume the amount of protein your body needs without meat means a lot of dairy, which isn't necessarily good for health either.

You forgot beans and other types of Legumes. Although, you still have to consume a lot there, and that can be unhealthy as well.

 

[OnThisRock]

Romans 14:1-8


[h=3]Romans 14:1-8[/h]New International Version (NIV)


14 Accept the one whose faith is weak, without quarreling over disputable matters. [SUP]2 [/SUP]One person’s faith allows them to eat anything, but another, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables. [SUP]3 [/SUP]The one who eats everything must not treat with contempt the one who does not, and the one who does not eat everything must not judge the one who does, for God has accepted them. [SUP]4 [/SUP]Who are you to judge someone else’s servant? To their own master, servants stand or fall. And they will stand, for the Lord is able to make them stand.

 

[VCO]

God's ideal diet IS vegetarian.

Man was originally created as vegetarian:
In the Garden of Eden, God said, "See, I have given you every herb that yields seed
which is on the face of all the earth, and every tree whose fruit yields seed; to
you it shall be for food." Gen 1:29

Man ends as a vegetarian:
In the New Heaven and New Earth. No more death ( ie, slaughter of animals ) Rev. 21:4

Isaiah 11:6-9, foresee a return to this vegetarian world where the wolf, lamb, lion, cow, snake
and little child co-exist peacefully.

Basically, there are health vegans and ethical vegans. Many vegans are both. Health-wise,
a diet high in animal fat and casein from dairy products is a trigger for many of our Western
diseases, specifically heart disease and cancer.
As man returns to a Garden of Eden diet, a vegetarian diet, scientific research confirms that this
diet is responsible for the prevention, regression, or even the reversal of many of the diseases
present in our society today.

And from an ethical standpoint, I believe that God’s instruction for mankind to behave as benevolent
stewards of His kingdom on earth has been basically ignored through mankind’s selfish choices.
Mankind must cease to be motivated by the desire for oppressive power, and instead work to eliminate
the shameful, gruesome and inhumane practices of factory farming for food and fur, indiscriminate
hunting, poaching and other animal cruelties that threaten the very definition of humanity.

We see that being vegan was God's initial plan in the book of Genesis, and is his ultimate plan in the
book of Revelation. Yet is it OK to live up to God's ideal of being vegan today? Of course!
As Jesus said, "Your kingdom come. Your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven" (Matthew 6:10).
However, eating certain meats is allowed in the Bible. Therefore, vegan Christians and Christians who
eat meat must not look down or condemn each other, because "God has accepted them"

t t t

Okay then I will give you some verses to digest:

Genesis 9:1-3 (ASV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth.
[SUP]2 [/SUP] And the fear of you and the dread of you shall be upon every beast of the earth, and upon every bird of the heavens; With all wherewith the ground teemeth, and all the fishes of the sea, into your hand are they delivered.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Every moving thing that liveth shall be food for you; As the green herb have I given you all.

Genesis 10:9 (ASV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] He was a mighty hunter before Jehovah: wherefore it is said, Like Nimrod a mighty hunter before Jehovah.

Leviticus 8:31 (HCSB)
[SUP]31 [/SUP] Moses said to Aaron and his sons, “Boil the meat at the entrance to the tent of meeting and eat it there with the bread that is in the basket for the ordination offering as I commanded: Aaron and his sons are to eat it.

Deuteronomy 12:27-28 (NKJV)
[SUP]27 [/SUP] And you shall offer your burnt offerings, the meat and the blood, on the altar of the LORD your God; and the blood of your sacrifices shall be poured out on the altar of the LORD your God, and you shall eat the meat.
[SUP]28 [/SUP] Observe and obey all these words which I command you, that it may go well with you and your children after you forever, when you do what is good and right in the sight of the LORD your God.

Deuteronomy 16:7 (NKJV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP]And you shall roast and eat it in the place which the LORD your God chooses, and in the morning you shall turn and go to your tents.

Luke 9:13-17 (NIV)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] He replied, "You give them something to eat." They answered, "We have only five loaves of bread and two fish--unless we go and buy food for all this crowd."
[SUP]14 [/SUP] (About five thousand men were there.) But he said to his disciples, "Have them sit down in groups of about fifty each."
[SUP]15 [/SUP] The disciples did so, and everybody sat down.
[SUP]16 [/SUP] Taking the five loaves and the two fish and looking up to heaven, He gave thanks and broke them. Then he gave them to the disciples to set before the people.
[SUP]17 [/SUP] They all ate and were satisfied, and the disciples picked up twelve basketfuls of broken pieces that were left over.

Acts 2:46-47 (KJV)
[SUP]46 [/SUP] And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,
[SUP]47 [/SUP] Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.

Luke 24:38-43 (NASB)
[SUP]38 [/SUP] And He said to them, "Why are you troubled, and why do doubts arise in your hearts?
[SUP]39 [/SUP] "See My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself; touch Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have."
[SUP]40 [/SUP] And when He had said this, He showed them His hands and His feet.
[SUP]41 [/SUP] While they still could not believe it because of their joy and amazement, He said to them, "Have you anything here to eat?"
[SUP]42 [/SUP] They gave Him a piece of a broiled fish;
[SUP]43 [/SUP] and He took it and ate it before them.

1 Timothy 4:1-5 (NKJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons,
[SUP]2 [/SUP] speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron,
[SUP]3 [/SUP] forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from foods which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth.
[SUP]4 [/SUP] For every creature of God is good, and nothing is to be refused if it is received with thanksgiving;
[SUP]5 [/SUP] for it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.


I know that is what you were taught, but as you can see, THAT IS NOT what GOD's Word says.
You are trying to label a personal choice or perhaps what may be a personal conviction, erroneously as "God's ideal diet IS vegetarian", as if it was a command from GOD, and that certainly does NOT square with the Word of GOD.

Deuteronomy 18:18-20 (HCSB)
[SUP]18 [/SUP] I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brothers. I will put My words in his mouth, and he will tell them everything I command him.
[SUP]19 [/SUP] I will hold accountable whoever does not listen to My words that he speaks in My name.
[SUP]20 [/SUP] But the prophet who dares to speak a message in My name that I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of other gods—that prophet must die.’

 

[2Thewaters]

We will not be killing cows in heaven. Pets are our children.
Why would you kill your children and eat them?

 

[VCO]

Son, I was raised on a Farm in Nebraska, the son of a share cropper. We were very poor, especially before the harvest came in, but my guess is you never knew lack of money. The animals we raised were our food, and part of our meager income. Plus if we had not fished and hunted, there would have been a lot of meals with no meat on the table. You would benefit a GREAT DEAL, if you had to live like that for a few years.