Gods Mercy,Why the Jews are Still Gods Chosen People

[SeaBass]

By your theology, what happens to all those who lived BEFORE CHRIST and never even heard His name?

Act 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

Heb 9:15 "And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance."

When Christ died, His blood flowed both backwards and forwards. It flowed backwards to remit the sins of those obedient under the OT and forward to remit the sins of those obedient under the NT law. NO one's sin ever could be forgiven/completely remitted without the blood of Christ. Those under the OT, Christ's death was for them also.

 

[prove-all]

People are not lost because they did not hear about Christ/the gospel, they are lost because of their sins. Those Gentiles in Rom 2 blinded themselves to God's existence even though there was sufficient proof of God."

what about all those before the flood?

all lost but few?

 

[kennethcadwell]

He is already on the throne in Heaven and ruling.
The New Jerusalem is YOU and all the born again in Him.

No that is false, for the tribulation period has not taken place yet.
The tribulation period followed by God's bowl judgments on the earth have to take place first before the New Jerusalem comes. This earth gets destroyed and then rebuilt by God. As He forms a new heaven and a new earth.

We the believers are the church of our Lord, not the New Jerusalem that comes after the tribulation, return of our Lord, and His 1,000 year reign here on earth.

His second coming has not happened, not has His 1,000 year reign, and Satan has not been bound and then released on to the world again, and then finally destroyed which has to take place before the new heaven, new earth, and new Jerusalem are formed.

There is a order of events that take place first, and they have not happened yet. We are in what are Lord Jesus mentioned in Matthew 24 as the signs that usher in the tribulation period, but are not the end yet. This is the beginning of birth pains.

 

[SeaBass]

I'm a Sephardim Jew, supposedly. Not Ashkenazi. I am tall blonde and blue eyed as all my family. But we are rare, as a race anyway. I am a descendent of Israel no doubt, but whethter a Jew of Judah, no one knows that. It doesn't matter anyway to God.
Most of the folk here are descendent from the Khazars, they are shorter, dark, and peculiarly big noses hands and feet. They are as different from my race as could be. My family traces their lineage back to the 1500's to Vilhelm Barkowski a prince in Warsaw. But it means nothing.

There is no birthright passed along from geneology or fleshly inheritance. That is a Jewish fable believed only by the demons who don't know scriptures.
The only geneology that was ever important was the Line of Judah to Jesus, the Eternal King of Israel, in whom all Israel is born by Faith and baptism and receiving the Holy Resurrected Spirit of Jesus Christ That was fulfilled, end of the "geneology" story.

So no, take it from me a pure "Jew" in the flesh more than anyone else here perhaps, that there is NOTHING OF THE PHYSICAL desirous by an Israelite such as me.

The only "Jews" I know aren't Jews at all, because they don't accept Jesus. There is no such thing as a Jew unless that person is in Christ. Paul said that. Clear as a bell. Those who aren't in Christ who claim to be Jews, are the synagogue of satan. That describes my family that disowned me for accepting Jesus. To be a True Jew and be heir to the Abrahamic Covenant was Why I converted to Christ Jesus, the only means to be the heir of the Abrahamic Covenant. This was primary knowledge for me to seek my Messiah to obtain the Promise of Abraham.

And the same spirit that beat me and disowned me because I chose Christ, is present right here in this thread, attempting to destroy the only thing that can save them.
Well I've already dealt with that evil first hand. So now it is academic! And I can now just laugh HaahAAaa!! Because I am strong and they are weak because I walk and talk and move and breathe in the Holy Spirit of the King of Israel, Jesus my Messiah! And the little ants scurrying around with their damnable little dispensational Jewish fables on this thread are a comedy to their own destruction.

For there is NO promise of Abraham to the flesh. Flesh and blood can not inherit the Kingdom of God. So I died to being a Jew and a child of Adam, and died to all previous ideas of an "earthly land inheritance" and other earthly carrots on a stick that the antichrist jews teach in their false doctrines.
I am so thankful of being delivered from the delusions and lies of the same kind of Jews who crucified Jesus, and continually crucify His Children in their wickedness.
So becoming a Christian has been a horrendous trial, the devil throwing all his false doctrines at me claiming my g-d is a b*stard... the same Jews that the mindless antichristians on this thread almost exactly, Such wicked hatefulness toward the Word of God and toward His Saints who try to save them from their sins and delusions...

But I wouldn't trade it for all the world haha!! And if you folks want this planet, or part of it for an inheritance, you are welcome to it. They will be in the form of grave plots RIP.

But as for me and my brothers and sisters in Christ, we shall enjoy eternal Life in the Promised Land of Each Other Forever All in All with our God.

I love you brothers and sisters!

There is no proof, no lineage where anyone can trace their ancestry back to any of the 12 tribes. The Jews were meticulous in keeping their ancestry and I believe God providentially wiped all that out with the Roman army (70 AD) (see "A" below). All that documentation was destroyed. God scattered them as dust in the wind, Mt 21:43-45. Many who claim to be physical Jews are not at all. Other people are physical Jews but do not know it. There is not a single person who lives in Israel today that can prove to me beyond any shadow of doubt that he/she is from one of the 12 tribes.

(A) Thus, in the providence of God, the Roman armies came against Palestine in A.D. 70, and Judaism was destroyed (cf. Matthew 22:7; 24:1-34); the Jewish “vessel” was smashed, and it cannot be put back together (cf. Jeremiah 19:11). According to Josephus, some 1.1 million Hebrews were slaughtered, and thousands were taken into slavery. All Jewish records were lost in that holocaust. Today, there is not a single Jew who knows his tribal ancestry (McClintock and Strong 1969, 771). The physical nation of Israel is dead. The “Jews” that make up the State of Israel today (less than twenty-five percent of the world Jewish population) cannot legitimately be called a “nation.”
https://www.christiancourier.com/articles/28-god-and-the-nation-of-israel
W. Jackson

• McClintock, John and James Strong. 1969. Cyclopedia of Biblical, Theological, & Ecclesiastical Literature. Vol. 3. Grand Rapids, MI: Baker Book House.

 

[Bride]

I was thinking about this the other day, but Scripture says, " at the end of the 1000 years" (satan is loosed), so it couldn't be eternal.

That's because in God's consistent language of the Bible, "thousand" always means an "indeterminate length of time". Never an exact period on a calendar as the futurists teach.

Here's some examples, and again, always from the Word of God of course ... (This way we know WHO to believe!)

(Deu 7:9)
Know therefore that the LORD thy God, he is God; the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations;

(1Ch 16:15)
Remember his covenant for ever, the word which he commanded to a thousand generations;

(Psa 105:8)
He hath remembered his covenant for ever, the word which he commanded to a thousand generations;


It's an Everlasting Never Ending Covenant to us who Receive Christ The Blood of the Everlasting Marriage Covenant woohoo thank you Jesus for saving Israel in your Blood a thousand generations even as FOREVER!



(Heb 13:5)
Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee.


(Mat 28:20)
Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

 

[JesusIsAll]

Don't mean to interrupt any serious spaghetti exegesis, Bride, but would you please mark me again? The old mark is fading.

 

[prove-all]

I'm still not convinced it will be a literal thousand years. It might be. None of us can prove how it should be understood. But I wish I'd find more assurance for it. I am really inclined to understand it spiritually.
Until I run into a better explanations, I trust that thousand eather means "forever" or His (To)Day... (same thing)

Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection:
on such the second death hath no power,

but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished.
This is the first resurrection.
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And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan,
and bound him a thousand years,

And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him,
that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: a
nd after that he must be loosed a little season.

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And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,


I believe it means a thousand years.​

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[SoulWeaver]

@kennethcadwell
No, that is not false. That is a sure truth as a rock, unless you are not of His sheep. And you are one of them.

I believe that the Tribulation and God's wrath fell on Jesus at the Cross.
He drank the full cup, wrung out, the cup intended for the unfaithful woman.
There surely is some literal application but I am not yet sure which one is correct.

 

[john832]

He is already on the throne in Heaven and ruling.
The New Jerusalem is YOU and all the born again in Him.

The New Jerusalem comes down from the Father after the Millennium and after the Last Great Day and after the Lake of Fire burns...

Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
Rev 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
Rev 21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

Note that this is at the time of the New Heavens and New Earth.

 

[john832]

People are not lost because they did not hear about Christ/the gospel, they are lost because of their sins. Those Gentiles in Rom 2 blinded themselves to God's existence even though there was sufficient proof of God.

They could not understand the parables for they refused to believe in Christ it was not the the parables were totally not understandable for they could understand if they believed. Christ goes on to say in v15 they closed their own eyes and ears.

Adam Clarke puts it:

On this account, viz. to lead them into a proper knowledge of God. I speak to them in parables, natural representations of spiritual truths, that they may be allured to inquire, and to find out the spirit, which is hidden under the letter; because, seeing the miracles which I have wrought, they see not, i.e. the end for which I have wrought them; and hearing my doctrines, they hear not, so as to profit by what is spoken; neither do they understand.... they do not lay their hearts to it. Is not this obviously our Lord's meaning? Who can suppose that he would employ his time in speaking enigmatically to them, on purpose that they might not understand what was spoken? Could the God of truth and sincerity act thus? If he had designed to act otherwise, he might have saved his time and labour, and not spoken at all, which would have answered the same end, viz. to leave them in gross ignorance.

As Clark points out, if it was the intent of Christ for them not to understand then just not say anything to them at all leaving them ignorant and lost.

Frankly, I do not put my trust in Adam Clarke when he directly contradicts Jesus Christ...

Mat 13:11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.

Christ says that it is NOT GIVEN to them to understand, not that they choose not to.

In 2 Cor 6:2 Paul is not saying there is one specific day in the future to be saved but is referring to the gospel age by the terms "

day of salvation" and "NOW is the acceptable time". There is an urgency for one to obey the gospel today and be saved (Heb 3:7,13) for no one is promised tomorrow.

" in the day of salvation" Barnes says this means the time God is disposed to show salvation for that time will eventually end.
Barnes "In a time accepted". In Isaiah, "in an acceptable time." The idea is, that he had prayed in a time when God was disposed to show mercy; the time when in his wise arrangements he had designed that his salvation should be extended to the world...It is a time which he had fixed as the appropriate period for extending the knowledge of his truth and his salvation; and it proves that there was to be a period which was the favourable period of salvation, that is, which God esteemed to be the proper period for making his salvation known to men. At such a period the Messiah would pray, and the prayer would be answered."

No Paul is saying that there is a day of salvation for those called now...

Joh 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Prior to Christ's life on earth, they could not come to Him. Those who lived two thousand years before Christ could not come to someone they never heard of (Acts 4:12).

There is a day of salvation now for those God is calling. There is a day of salvation in the future for those who have lived their lives and died without being called.

How many people did the Father call to Christ four thousand years ago in China?

 

[kaylagrl]

Don't mean to interrupt any serious spaghetti exegesis, Bride, but would you please mark me again? The old mark is fading.

Lol !!! Oh my! Think i'll stay safely out of this one.But you made me lol

 

[john832]

Yes His throne is in heaven, but our Lord Jesus will sit and rule here on earth for a thousand years.
So what throne will He sit and rule from during those 1,000 years as heaven and the new Jerusalem will not be here yet ?

No, that throne is on earth. Christ comes to take it at the second coming.

 

[SeaBass]

The Jews are still the chosen people of our God.
We the gentiles have been grafted in by our acceptance as Jesus as the Messiah. We were grafted in to make the Jews jealous because of there unbelief and not accepting Jesus for the Messiah as the scriptures say.

If you want to see that the Jews are still the chosen or elect then just look at Revelation and the 144,000 slated to be standing by the Lord's side when He comes back. They are from the 12 Jewish tribes, no gentile believers are apart of this 144,000.

Only Christians are God's chosen people. Those Jews in Acts 2 that obeyed and were added to the church became Christians>God chosen. Just being physical, fleshly Jews could not save them, they had to obey Christ's gospel to be saved. Those that refused to obey are lost, Rom 10:1-3.

 

[john832]

He is already on the throne in Heaven and ruling.
The New Jerusalem is YOU and all the born again in Him.

And this is the best He can do? Let ISIL run amok? Pretty poor excuse for King of kings and Lord of lords.

 

[john832]

Heb 9:15 "And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance."

When Christ died, His blood flowed both backwards and forwards. It flowed backwards to remit the sins of those obedient under the OT and forward to remit the sins of those obedient under the NT law. NO one's sin ever could be forgiven/completely remitted without the blood of Christ. Those under the OT, Christ's death was for them also.

Really? And how many people in China accepted that blood four thousand years ago?

 

[JesusIsAll]

Lol !!! Oh my! Think i'll stay safely out of this one.But you made me lol

Well, that's good! I's here to serve. They don't call me God's Bozo for nothin'!

 

[SeaBass]

why thank you for telling us what we have been saying all along.

According to the mosaic covenant, If they wanted to remain in the land that was theirs, they would have to obey God If Not, God would take THEIR land, and give it to the heathen (gentile) But he promised he would never forget his promise to them, and if one day they repented, he would remember his promise, and return them to their own land.

You got the first part right, you ignore the second part. which is your problem.

Their remaining in the land was CONDITIONAL upon there continuing to obey God.

They did not obey God so God removed them OFF the land. Nowhere does the bible teach God will someday return that land to them. Again, God promised them that land, they possessed that land and therefore that promised was FULFILLED in the past and to TO BE fulfilled in the future.

 

[john832]

No that is false, for the tribulation period has not taken place yet.
The tribulation period followed by God's bowl judgments on the earth have to take place first before the New Jerusalem comes. This earth gets destroyed and then rebuilt by God. As He forms a new heaven and a new earth.

We the believers are the church of our Lord, not the New Jerusalem that comes after the tribulation, return of our Lord, and His 1,000 year reign here on earth.

His second coming has not happened, not has His 1,000 year reign, and Satan has not been bound and then released on to the world again, and then finally destroyed which has to take place before the new heaven, new earth, and new Jerusalem are formed.

There is a order of events that take place first, and they have not happened yet. We are in what are Lord Jesus mentioned in Matthew 24 as the signs that usher in the tribulation period, but are not the end yet. This is the beginning of birth pains.

New Jerusalem comes AFTER the Millennium...

Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
Rev 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
Rev 21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

This comes after Rev 20. Paul described it here...

1Co 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
1Co 15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
1Co 15:24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
1Co 15:25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.

And how long does He reign...

Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

And this is called what?

Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

And what happens after the thousand years?

Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

What happens then?

Rev 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

 

[Bride]

I agree with you gratefull and also believe the land is the one Jesus preached to them, Thy Kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in Heaven. He was sent to the lost sheep of Israel. To return them into the land.
It is still wide open to them yes, if they will repent.

And my dear sister in Jesus that's why you and me have come to be Married to our Messiah in fulfillment of all prophecies to Israel hallelujah!

(Luk 1:54)
He hath holpen his servant Israel, in remembrance of his mercy;
(Luk 1:55)
As he spake to our fathers, to Abraham, and to his seed for ever.

 

[SeaBass]

GOD obligated him self to one nation.He could use Gentiles to salvation but He did not. Salvation first to the Jews and then the Gentiles.Plainly said in the Word.

God did not obligate Himself to choose fleshly Israel, God can choose/show mercy unto whosoever He will - as Paul says in Rom 9.

Salvation went to the Jews first, but they overwhelming rejected it so Paul turned to the Gentiles, Acts 13:46.