Gods Mercy,Why the Jews are Still Gods Chosen People

[eternally-gratefull]

How many kingdoms of God do you believe that He has prepared that fit the bill? This one has Abraham and Isaac and Jacob and prophets in it, God as King, and no corruption.

P.S. Romans 14:17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.

The one where the OT says Jesus himself will rule with a rod of Iron. Where the nations who treated the people of God (Israel( badly while they were in their care because of her sin come and worship in jerusalem.

or have you not studied what even the OT says about that particular moment of time in earths future?

 

[Bride]

It would be a little silly to refer to the remnant in Rom 11:5 as believing Gentiles rather than Jews. I mean just look at the context.

You err not knowing scriptures. The 10 tribes of Israel were scattered amongst the Nations. The Promise to God in the major prophets especially was "gathering Israel (not Judah) out of the Nations. That promise was looked forward to, called the New Covenant in Christ's Blood.
So that is exactly why paul quoted Hosea. Hosea was a prophet ONLY to Israel 10 tribes. It was about calling Israel out of the Gentiles. They were known as "the dispersion". Even the Jews knew it.

(Joh 7:35)

The Jews therefore said among themselves, Whither will this man go that we shall not find him? will he go unto the Dispersion among the Greeks, and teach the Greeks?

And of course the answer is yes!

The very last prophecy of the Jewish high priest was the exact same hope, the gathering of Israel that had been dispersed;





(Joh 11:51)
Now this he said not of himself: but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus should die for the nation;




(Joh 11:52)
and not for the nation only, but that he might also gather together into one the children of God that are scattered abroad.

So see, if you just rely on scriptures, you will never get confused. Hope this helps

 

[Bride]

Yes, just as God rejected the first generation of Jews coming out of Egypt and gave the promise to another generation, so that generation rejected Christ in Mt. 12 and will be giving the Kingdom here on earth to a future generation.

Lol. No Jews came out of Egypt. ALL the Israelites did though. There were no "Jews" until after the division, and that word only refers to the tribe of Judah. It is a slang abbreviation for that tribe. Juuuuuu hdah.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You err not knowing scriptures. The 10 tribes of Israel were scattered amongst the Nations. The Promise to God in the major prophets especially was "gathering Israel (not Judah) out of the Nations. That promise was looked forward to, called the New Covenant in Christ's Blood.
So that is exactly why paul quoted Hosea. Hosea was a prophet ONLY to Israel 10 tribes. It was about calling Israel out of the Gentiles. They were known as "the dispersion". Even the Jews knew it.

(Joh 7:35)

The Jews therefore said among themselves, Whither will this man go that we shall not find him? will he go unto the Dispersion among the Greeks, and teach the Greeks?

And of course the answer is yes!

The very last prophecy of the Jewish high priest was the exact same hope, the gathering of Israel that had been dispersed;





(Joh 11:51)
Now this he said not of himself: but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus should die for the nation;




(Joh 11:52)
and not for the nation only, but that he might also gather together into one the children of God that are scattered abroad.

So see, if you just rely on scriptures, you will never get confused. Hope this helps

You should study more. isreal and Judah was promised to come out of the gentile nations.

ez 37: [SUP]11 [/SUP]Then He said to me, “Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel. They indeed say, ‘Our bones are dry, our hope is lost, and we ourselves are cut off!’ [SUP]12 [/SUP]Therefore prophesy and say to them, ‘Thus says the Lord God: “Behold, O My people, I will open your graves and cause you to come up from your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel. [SUP]13 [/SUP]Then you shall know that I am the Lord, when I have opened your graves, O My people, and brought you up from your graves. [SUP]14 [/SUP]I will put My Spirit in you, and you shall live, and I will place you in your own land. Then you shall know that I, the Lord, have spoken it and performed it,” says the Lord.’

[SUP]21 [/SUP]“Then say to them, ‘Thus says the Lord God: “Surely I will take the children of Israel from among the nations, wherever they have gone, and will gather them from every side and bring them into their own land; [SUP]22 [/SUP]and I will make them one nation in the land, on the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king over them all; they shall no longer be two nations, nor shall they ever be divided into two kingdoms again. [SUP]23 [/SUP]They shall not defile themselves anymore with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions; but I will deliver them from all their dwelling places in which they have sinned, and will cleanse them. Then they shall be My people, and I will be their God.

see, if you rely on scripture, you will never get confused

 

[Bride]

Kingdom of God has multi meanings, I'm referring to the literal land promises realized in the Millennium.

No, your opinion that the Kingdom of God has multi-meanings is another wrong guess.

And has been shown, there is no unfulfilled "land promise" or any other promise to O.T. Israel

(Jos 21:45)
There failed not aught of any good thing which the LORD had spoken unto the house of Israel; all came to pass.

there it is Posted for you the umpteenth time. How fun!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Lol. No Jews came out of Egypt. ALL the Israelites did though. There were no "Jews" until after the division, and that word only refers to the tribe of Judah. It is a slang abbreviation for that tribe. Juuuuuu hdah.

actually judah was the name of the southern kingdom. It consisted of two tribes, plus the priests who lived in that land, When Israel )northern kingdom) was over run by syria, People from all 12 tribes lived there.

They were called Jews. because they lived in the land of Judah

 

[eternally-gratefull]

No, your opinion that the Kingdom of God has multi-meanings is another wrong guess.

And has been shown, there is no unfulfilled "land promise" or any other promise to O.T. Israel

(Jos 21:45)
There failed not aught of any good thing which the LORD had spoken unto the house of Israel; all came to pass.

there it is Posted for you the umpteenth time. How fun!

no it has not been shown, In fact you have been shown you are wrong. Over and over.

 

[crossnote]

Lol. No Jews came out of Egypt. ALL the Israelites did though. There were no "Jews" until after the division, and that word only refers to the tribe of Judah. It is a slang abbreviation for that tribe. Juuuuuu hdah.

Why did Paul refer to himself as a Jew even though he was from the tribe of Benjamin?
And when he said both Jew and Gentile we guilty under the law, you mean just the tribe of Judah and Gentiles?

 

[kaylagrl]

What do you mean by "Israel?" I don't think the modern nation-state of Israel established back in 1948 has anything to do with biblical Israel, for reasons outlined in my last post. The only connection would be that some of it's population claim descent from ancestors who were citizens of biblical Israel.

If we're talking about Israel as in, the Israel that is actually God's chosen people; then I think Israel exists and has a king and high priest. Yes, Israel was a originally a group of loosely associated tribes claiming descent from Abraham and/or fidelity to Yahweh and his anointed one(s). Before I get long winded, I think Jesus is rightfully the King of Israel, and citizenship in the correct continuation of biblical Israel is defined by those who are loyal to it's Messiah. Even calling Jesus "Messiah" or "Christ" doesn't make biblical or historical sense unless he's the King of Israel - and I don't think the modern state of Israel has recognized Jesus as their king.....unless I missed some breaking news.

Membership in Israel is not limited by those who claim blood descent from Abraham (and it never really was anyway). The blessings promised to Abraham and his descendants are realized in Jesus.

But this is what I think. I suppose I won't argue too much if you believe that there is another group of Yahweh's chosen people (which necessarily implies another king, high priest, sacrificial system, etc..) defined by something other than loyalty to the Messiah Jesus. The Samaritans think this and Jews think this. I would ask why even call Jesus the Christ and believe the NT if you don't think he's actually the living king of actual Israel...it would seem to be a major inconsistency.

Im really just enjoying reading the discussion.I believe the way crossnote and eternally grateful believe on the subject.So I wont re-post the Scriptures and reiterate what they have said.Its pretty much already out there.

 

[crossnote]

No, your opinion that the Kingdom of God has multi-meanings is another wrong guess.

And has been shown, there is no unfulfilled "land promise" or any other promise to O.T. Israel

(Jos 21:45)
There failed not aught of any good thing which the LORD had spoken unto the house of Israel; all came to pass.

there it is Posted for you the umpteenth time. How fun!

Try doing a serious study on the term, there is no definitive answer. At least it is not cut and dry as you seem to think.

 

[JesusIsAll]

actually judah was the name of the southern kingdom. It consisted of two tribes, plus the priests who lived in that land, When Israel )northern kingdom) was over run by syria, People from all 12 tribes lived there.

They were called Jews. because they lived in the land of Judah

Also, Jews in our day, in the common language, are those who adhere to the Jewish faith, of any tribe or even converted origins. To correct somebody that, by Jew, people must only be referring to the tribe of Judah is sophistry, to what point who knows. It's usually a mindless argument by those claiming the people in the nation Israel of our day are fraudulent, not the "real Jews" (some of these whackjobs claiming all the "real Jews" are gone). No matter the Bible refers to the whole house of Israel returning as one nation, commonly all known as Jews in our day. A whole lot to do about nothing.

 

[Bride]

You should study more. isreal and Judah was promised to come out of the gentile nations.

ez 37: [SUP]11 [/SUP]Then He said to me, “Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel. They indeed say, ‘Our bones are dry, our hope is lost, and we ourselves are cut off!’ [SUP]12 [/SUP]Therefore prophesy and say to them, ‘Thus says the Lord God: “Behold, O My people, I will open your graves and cause you to come up from your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel. [SUP]13 [/SUP]Then you shall know that I am the Lord, when I have opened your graves, O My people, and brought you up from your graves. [SUP]14 [/SUP]I will put My Spirit in you, and you shall live, and I will place you in your own land. Then you shall know that I, the Lord, have spoken it and performed it,” says the Lord.’

[SUP]21 [/SUP]“Then say to them, ‘Thus says the Lord God: “Surely I will take the children of Israel from among the nations, wherever they have gone, and will gather them from every side and bring them into their own land; [SUP]22 [/SUP]and I will make them one nation in the land, on the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king over them all; they shall no longer be two nations, nor shall they ever be divided into two kingdoms again. [SUP]23 [/SUP]They shall not defile themselves anymore with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions; but I will deliver them from all their dwelling places in which they have sinned, and will cleanse them. Then they shall be My people, and I will be their God.

see, if you rely on scripture, you will never get confused

And that began 2000 years ago in the Coming of Israel's Messiah! You don't seem to get that part. You intentionally leave it out. FULFILLED IN JESUS.

Ezekiel is fulfilled! This is occasion for rejoicing. You can't steal it from us You err again not knowing scriptures;

(Jer 23:1)
Woe unto the shepherds that destroy and scatter the sheep of my pasture! saith the LORD.
(Jer 50:6)

My people hath been lost sheep: their shepherds have caused them to go astray, they have turned them away on the mountains: they have gone from mountain to hill, they have forgotten their resting place.




(Eze 34:5)
And they were scattered, because there was no shepherd: and they became meat to all the beasts of the field, and were scattered.




(Eze 34:6)
My sheep wandered through all the mountains, and upon every high hill: yea, my sheep were scattered upon all the face of the earth; and there was none that did search or seek after them.


(Eze 34:11)
For thus saith the Lord GOD: Behold, I myself, even I, will search for my sheep, and will seek them out.

HE SAID HE WOULD SEARCH OUT HIS SHEEP OVER AND OVER AGAIN. Now, letting God interpret, we read;
(Joh 10:11)
I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd layeth down his life for the sheep.

(Mat 9:36)
But when he saw the multitudes, he was moved with compassion for them, because they were distressed and scattered, as sheep not having a shepherd.
(Mat 15:24)
But he answered and said, I was not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

There it is Will you ever let Him find you poor little lost sheep? I sure hope so, what on earth are you waiting for?!

Ezekiel Fulfilled! Jeremiah fulfilled!...

(Mat 18:12)
How think ye? if any man have a hundred sheep, and one of them be gone astray, doth he not leave the ninety and nine, and go unto the mountains, and seek that which goeth astray?


I sure hope you quit butting your head against the Word of God here

(Mat 25:33)
and he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
(Joh 10:2)
But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep.

(Joh 10:14)
I am the good shepherd; and I know mine own, and mine own know me,
(Joh 10:27)
My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:



So as you can see sir, there's quite a difference between the voice of Jesus my Shepherd, and any thing you've given an opinion about. Opinions just don't matter to the Oracles of God

(1Pe 4:11)
if any man speaketh, speaking as it were oracles of God; if any man ministereth, ministering as of the strength which God supplieth: that in all things God may be glorified through Jesus Christ, whose is the glory and the dominion for ever and ever. Amen.


You can tell an Oracle from a false prophet. One gives the words of God, the other gives opinions. Think long and hard about this is my advice

 

[JesusIsAll]

Why did Paul refer to himself as a Jew even though he was from the tribe of Benjamin?
And when he said both Jew and Gentile we guilty under the law, you mean just the tribe of Judah and Gentiles?

Just a wild guess, but Judaism is a faith, to be Jewish of that faith, a person called a Jew for being of that faith, this for a very long time, and even a lot of pagans understanding what some purported Christians can't get straight of the basic language?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

And that began 2000 years ago in the Coming of Israel's Messiah! You don't seem to get that part. You intentionally leave it out. FULFILLED IN JESUS.

Ezekiel is fulfilled! This is occasion for rejoicing. You can't steal it from us You err again not knowing scriptures;

(Jer 23:1)
Woe unto the shepherds that destroy and scatter the sheep of my pasture! saith the LORD.
(Jer 50:6)

My people hath been lost sheep: their shepherds have caused them to go astray, they have turned them away on the mountains: they have gone from mountain to hill, they have forgotten their resting place.




(Eze 34:5)
And they were scattered, because there was no shepherd: and they became meat to all the beasts of the field, and were scattered.




(Eze 34:6)
My sheep wandered through all the mountains, and upon every high hill: yea, my sheep were scattered upon all the face of the earth; and there was none that did search or seek after them.


(Eze 34:11)
For thus saith the Lord GOD: Behold, I myself, even I, will search for my sheep, and will seek them out.

HE SAID HE WOULD SEARCH OUT HIS SHEEP OVER AND OVER AGAIN. Now, letting God interpret, we read;
(Joh 10:11)
I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd layeth down his life for the sheep.

(Mat 9:36)
But when he saw the multitudes, he was moved with compassion for them, because they were distressed and scattered, as sheep not having a shepherd.
(Mat 15:24)
But he answered and said, I was not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

There it is Will you ever let Him find you poor little lost sheep? I sure hope so, what on earth are you waiting for?!

Ezekiel Fulfilled! Jeremiah fulfilled!...

(Mat 18:12)
How think ye? if any man have a hundred sheep, and one of them be gone astray, doth he not leave the ninety and nine, and go unto the mountains, and seek that which goeth astray?


I sure hope you quit butting your head against the Word of God here

(Mat 25:33)
and he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
(Joh 10:2)
But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep.

(Joh 10:14)
I am the good shepherd; and I know mine own, and mine own know me,
(Joh 10:27)
My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:



So as you can see sir, there's quite a difference between the voice of Jesus my Shepherd, and any thing you've given an opinion about. Opinions just don't matter to the Oracles of God

(1Pe 4:11)
if any man speaketh, speaking as it were oracles of God; if any man ministereth, ministering as of the strength which God supplieth: that in all things God may be glorified through Jesus Christ, whose is the glory and the dominion for ever and ever. Amen.


You can tell an Oracle from a false prophet. One gives the words of God, the other gives opinions. Think long and hard about this is my advice

Oh it was?

2000 years ago. both Israel and Judah were still widely scattered because of their sin (why do you think paul met jews in all the nations when he went on his missionary journeys)

they were not regiven their land (not in the history since Israel was first destroyed by Syria) have they been one nation.

Israel as a nation were still in sin

They rejected their messiah.

Now. who is it that does not listen to the word of God.

and ps. I gave the word of God. you gave your advise, so take your own medecine and think long and hard

 

[Bride]

Genesis 12:7 The LORD appeared to Abram and said, "To you and your offspring I will give this land."

Genesis 13:14,15 The LORD said to Abram after Lot had parted from him, "Look around from where you are, to the north and south, to the east an west. All the land that you see I will give to you and your offspring forever. I will make your offspring like the dust of the earth, so that if anyone could count the dust, then your offspring could be counted.

Genesis 15:5-8 He took him outside and said, "Look up at the sky and count the stars--if indeed you can count them". The he said to him, "So shall your offspring be." Abram believed the LORD and he credited it to him as righteousness. He also said to him, "I am the LORD, who brought you out of the Ur of Chadeans to give you this land to take possession of it." But Abram said, "Sovereign LORD, how can I know that I will gain possession it?"

Then God proceeds to set up for a Blood Covenant - in a Blood Covenant the animals are cut in two and arranged on each side - leaving a path down the middle for the parties in the covenant to walk between the pieces. BUT God caused Abram to fall into a deep sleep - 15:12) As the sun was setting, Abram fell into a deep sleep, . . . 17) When the sun had set and darkness had fallen, a smoking firepot with a blazing torch appeared and passed between the pieces. [representing God passing between the pieces] On that day the LORD made a covenant with Abram and said, "To your descendants I give this land, from the Wadi of Egypt to the great river, the Euphrates ---- Now a Blood Covenant is between the people that participate - but Abraham did not participate for God put him in a deep sleep . . . therefore the covenant was a "unilateral" covenant - i.e. done by one person - God himself made a covenant basically with himself concerning Abraham - how powerful is that?!

You actually believe that God would negate this covenant?

Never.

This is how it is never negated;

(Gal 3:16)

Now to Abraham were the promises spoken, and to his seed. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.





(Gal 6:15)
For neither is circumcision anything, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.




(Gal 6:16)
And as many as shall walk by this rule, peace be upon them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.


(Act 15:8)
And God, which knoweth the heart, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us;




(Act 15:9)
and he made no distinction between us and them, cleansing their hearts by faith.





(Rom 3:22)
even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ unto all them that believe; for there is no distinction;


(Rom 10:12)
For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek: for the same Lord is Lord of all, and is rich unto all that call upon him:

Only Jesus is the means of the fulfillment of the Abrahamic Covenant, as begun in the preaching of the Gospel to Israel 2000 years ago. Any other idea that the Jews are still somehow God's chosen people has only been silly conjecture, no scriptures. Folks here only want to argue and never read the scriptures I post it is obvious, or you wouldn't still be droning on with opinions and conjecture that mean nothing. So enough for this place I guess. Buh bye

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Never.

This is how it is never negated;

(Gal 3:16)

Now to Abraham were the promises spoken, and to his seed. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.





(Gal 6:15)
For neither is circumcision anything, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.




(Gal 6:16)
And as many as shall walk by this rule, peace be upon them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.


(Act 15:8)
And God, which knoweth the heart, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us;




(Act 15:9)
and he made no distinction between us and them, cleansing their hearts by faith.





(Rom 3:22)
even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ unto all them that believe; for there is no distinction;


(Rom 10:12)
For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek: for the same Lord is Lord of all, and is rich unto all that call upon him:

Only Jesus is the means of the fulfillment of the Abrahamic Covenant, as begun in the preaching of the Gospel to Israel 2000 years ago. Any other idea that the Jews are still somehow God's chosen people has only been silly conjecture, no scriptures. Folks here only want to argue and never read the scriptures I post it is obvious, or you wouldn't still be droning on with opinions and conjecture that mean nothing. So enough for this place I guess. Buh bye

So, as a people who are saved, we only get the land of Israel. thats all. And because of it, we are under law, not grace.

Thanks for your wondrous words of wisdom (not)

Only one aspect of the abrahamic covenant was spiritual (in you shall all nations of the world be blessed) Jesus fulfilled that, that is the gospel.

the rest have NOTHING to do with the gospel.

 

[prodigal]

I don't know of any Jews that curse the name of Jesus, but I do know and have seen some Christians who have gone over to Israel and tried to preach His name, and acceptance of Him as Lord and Savior that have been chased off and told to stop preaching blasphemy by Jews over there.

some jews cursing jesus [video=youtube;9OqcOahetwI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OqcOahetwI[/video]

 

[Bride]

So, as a people who are saved, we only get the land of Israel. thats all. And because of it, we are under law, not grace.

Thanks for your wondrous words of wisdom (not)

Only one aspect of the abrahamic covenant was spiritual (in you shall all nations of the world be blessed) Jesus fulfilled that, that is the gospel.

the rest have NOTHING to do with the gospel.

What? English please? What scripture were you having trouble with that I posted?

 

[Bride]

no it has not been shown, In fact you have been shown you are wrong. Over and over.

Derf derf

 

[eternally-gratefull]

What? English please? What scripture were you having trouble with that I posted?

your the one who had trouble my friend.

You take a huge covenant given to abraham, and twist it to your own shame.