GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?

[Studyman]

=MattforJesus;3390860]The New Testament says that Jesus took the physical ordinances of Israel out of the way,nailing them to His cross,for they were contrary to us,which means they had no bearing on spiritual salvation,so let no person judge you in those which include the sabbath days,for they were a shadow of things to come,but the body is of Christ by the Spirit.

No MFJ,

The Bible does not say Jesus nailed His fathers Commandments to the cross. Jesus nailed the Law that was against Paul and the Gentiles. God's Laws were not against either. Jesus didn't "Spoil" God, He didn't make a show of God openly, He didn't Triumph over God, He triumphed over the Mainstream Preachers of His Time who had been preaching "Vain deceits", traditions of men, Rudiments of the World for centuries. Jesus made a show of "THEM" openly, not God. Jesus Triumphed over "THEM, not God.

They said "We have a Law and by OUR LAW He should die, and they killed Him. But he didn't stay dead did He. No, He triumphed over them and their religion taught as law for years, making a show of them openly.

Read it for yourself. Col. 2.

The Old Testament says that with stammering lips and another tongue will God speak to these people saying this is is the rest wherewith You may cause the weary to rest,and this is the refreshing,yet they would not hear.

Which the Spirit is our Comforter,and Jesus gives us rest for our soul,so it is a spiritual sabbath.Having the Spirit is how we obey the sabbath,for it is a spiritual rest,and we celebrate the creation of the new earth,the New Jerusalem.

If a person believes we have to keep the physical sabbath then they would have to abide by the rules of it including the punishment for not obeying the sabbath.

Jesus said man was not made for the sabbath,but the sabbath was made for man,and the sabbath was only given to the Jews,and Jesus took away those physical ordinances,and made of one new man both Jew and Gentile,and broke down the middle wall of partition between them.

Like the eating of unclean and clean animals that does not apply in the New Testament for let no person judge you in meats,and all meat is good and nothing to be refused if it is received with thanksgiving,for it is sanctified by the word of God,and prayer.

Let no person judge you in keeping the physical sabbath.[/QUOTE]

 

[Ahwatukee]

The Bible does not say Jesus nailed His fathers Commandments to the cross. Jesus nailed the Law that was against Paul and the Gentiles.

Jesus nailed the entire law to the cross given to Moses, which includes the sacrificial laws, the food laws, feasts and Sabbaths and including the ten commandments, for we are no longer under that covenant of the law. Jesus fulfilled all of those laws given to Moses during the Exodus, completely fulfilling the law and satisfying it completely.

We are to put our faith in Christ, trusting in Him as the One who provided salvation for us. This keeps us looking at Jesus opposed to performing our own works in order to take credit for our salvation.

So yes, Jesus did nail to the cross all of the ordinances and regulations of the law that were given to Moses and Israel.

The underlying principal is easy to understand: If anyone is trusting in their own works as being necessary to obtain or maintain salvation, then they are not trusting in Christ's finished work on the cross. For Christ met the righteous requirements of the law, took upon himself the wrath that every believer deserves and paid the penalty for our sins.

Anytime anyone brings in other requirements trusting in them to obtain or maintain salvation, along side of Christ's finished work, it is the same as saying that the Lord's work was insufficient. If anyone is focused on performing their own works, then they are not focus on the Lord's.

Should we do good works? Yes, of course! It should be a desire for every believer to do so, but not to obtain or maintain salvation, but to glorify God. And regarding this he says that we are also building up our treasures in heaven.

The bottom line is that we should be trusting completely in Christ for our salvation. For as scripture states, "we are saved by grace through faith and this not of our own doing, it is the gift of God and not by works." Or I like how the NLT puts it:

"God saved you by his grace when you believed. And you can’t take credit for this; it is a gift from God. Salvation is not a reward for the good things we have done, so none of us can boast about it."

 

[Studyman]

Jesus nailed the entire law to the cross given to Moses, which includes the sacrificial laws, the food laws, feasts and Sabbaths and including the ten commandments, for we are no longer under that covenant of the law. Jesus fulfilled all of those laws given to Moses during the Exodus, completely fulfilling the law and satisfying it completely.

We are to put our faith in Christ, trusting in Him as the One who provided salvation for us. This keeps us looking at Jesus opposed to performing our own works in order to take credit for our salvation.

So yes, Jesus did nail to the cross all of the ordinances and regulations of the law that were given to Moses and Israel.

The underlying principal is easy to understand: If anyone is trusting in their own works as being necessary to obtain or maintain salvation, then they are not trusting in Christ's finished work on the cross. For Christ met the righteous requirements of the law, took upon himself the wrath that every believer deserves and paid the penalty for our sins.

Anytime anyone brings in other requirements trusting in them to obtain or maintain salvation, along side of Christ's finished work, it is the same as saying that the Lord's work was insufficient. If anyone is focused on performing their own works, then they are not focus on the Lord's.

Should we do good works? Yes, of course! It should be a desire for every believer to do so, but not to obtain or maintain salvation, but to glorify God. And regarding this he says that we are also building up our treasures in heaven.

The bottom line is that we should be trusting completely in Christ for our salvation. For as scripture states, "we are saved by grace through faith and this not of our own doing, it is the gift of God and not by works." Or I like how the NLT puts it:

"God saved you by his grace when you believed. And you can’t take credit for this; it is a gift from God. Salvation is not a reward for the good things we have done, so none of us can boast about it."

I know this is the Mainstream Preaching. And very cleaver to just erase all scriptures that teach differently.(Old Testament) But Col. 2 does not say what you preach.

God's Laws are not "Vain deceits" they are not "traditions of man", they are not "Rudiments of the World". Jesus did not battle against God. He did not "SPOIL" God at His death, He did not "make a show of God openly" at His death, He did not "Triumph" over God.

I know we have been taught this from our youth, but as Jesus warned, there are "MANY" who come in Christ's name to deceive.

Try and rid your mind of the influence of the Mainstream teaching for just a few minutes and read Col. 2. Paul is warning about false preachers who promote man made doctrines, not the Holy, Just, Righteous and Good Commandments of God. He defends God's Word,(Let no man judge you in believing God's Word) he doesn't destroy it.

 

[Hizikyah]

I agree If the land rest every 7 years for the benefide of fertility, and I agree human must rest in the Lord every day, and I agree that catholic work for Lucifer, but worship the Lord is not only when we go to church, It must in daily life, not specifically oN saturday or sunday.

We should do His will everyday, but weekly there is only one day the the Creator set apart.

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Genesis 2:1-3, “Thus the heavens and the earth were completed, and all their array. And in the seventh day the Mighty One completed His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had made. And the Mighty One blessed the seventh day and set it apart, because on it He rested from all His work which the Mighty One in creating had made.”[/FONT]


Man can not set apoart another or different day. and people who say they "keep every day holy" are lying to themselves. working, doing lkaundry, mowing the lawn, etc. are not evil but that is not the work and will of Yah, and we have to do these things daily, but His set apart day is for His work not ours. :

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Isaiah 58:11-14, "YHWH will guide you continually, and satisfy your soul in drought, and make fat; (strengthen), your bones. You will be like a watered garden, and like a spring of water, whose waters do not fail. And those of you will rebuild the old waste places; you will raise up the foundations of many generations; and you will be called the Repairer of the Breach, the Restorer of Streets to Dwell In; If you turn away your foot from breaking the Sabbath: from doing your pleasure; your own business, your own pleasure, on My holy day, and call the Sabbath a delight; the holy day of YHWH honorable, and will honor Him by not doing your own ways, nor finding your own pleasure, nor engaging in idle conversation: Then you will find your joy in YHWH; and I will cause you to ride on the high places of the earth, and feed you with the heritage of Yaaqob your father, for the mouth of YHWH has spoken it."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 12:12, "And how much more valuable is a man than a sheep? Therefore, it is Lawful to do righteousness on the Sabbath."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Deuteronomy 4:2, “Do not add to the Word which I command you, and do not take away from it, so as to guard the commands of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]your Strength which I am commanding you.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 5:18, "I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh; the smallest of the letters will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Revelation 21:1, "I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away."

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Deuteronomy 12:8, “Do not do as we are doing here today – each one doing whatever is right in his own eyes.”[/FONT]

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[LoveGodForever]

Hello brother LGF,

you not answere my question, can you show me verse that tell why 10 commandment must not follow by other command?

for Example rest oN sabbath not follow by death penalty?

Hello Jackson,

I have answered all your questions and here is me thinking all this time, it was you who did not answer any of the questions that have beem sent to you?

The questions given were only sent to help you. For example remember the long list of questions I asked you that you never responded to some time ago re-posted in Post # 2202 (this post was sent to you in the Sabbath thread). What about the other questions sent to you in this thread, in post # 2289.....Post # 2293 and others elsewhere?

The question should be why haven't you answered any of the questions I have sent you? It is ok Jackson you do not have to answer these questions here. Maybe you can keep them between yourself and God and pray about them if you do not know the answers.

As to your question above do you not remember that I responded to it in post # 2187? Maybe you missed it or did not understand it? The wages of SIN is death for everyone of the 10 commandments for those who continue in SIN and reject the gift of God's dear son the living Word of God (Romans 6:23)

As I have answered all your questions, how about you answer mine in the linked posts above? You do not have to do so here. I will leave them between you and God to pray about.

.............................

IN times of ignorance God winks at but now calls all men every where to REPENT for the KINGDOM of HEAVEN is at HAND (Acts 17:30-31)

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we break any one of the ten we stand guilty before God of SIN (James 2:8-11) and need to repent and seek his forgiveness (Proverbs 28:13; 1 John 2:1; 1 John 1:9). Those that continue a life in known unrepentant sin will not enter into God's Kingdom (Hebrews 10:26-27)

There is NO SCRIPTURE that says that God's 4th commandment has been ABOLISHED and we are now COMMANDED to keep Sunday as a HOLY day

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

 

[mailmandan]

Jesus nailed the entire law to the cross given to Moses, which includes the sacrificial laws, the food laws, feasts and Sabbaths and including the ten commandments, for we are no longer under that covenant of the law. Jesus fulfilled all of those laws given to Moses during the Exodus, completely fulfilling the law and satisfying it completely.

We are to put our faith in Christ, trusting in Him as the One who provided salvation for us. This keeps us looking at Jesus opposed to performing our own works in order to take credit for our salvation.

So yes, Jesus did nail to the cross all of the ordinances and regulations of the law that were given to Moses and Israel.

The underlying principal is easy to understand: If anyone is trusting in their own works as being necessary to obtain or maintain salvation, then they are not trusting in Christ's finished work on the cross. For Christ met the righteous requirements of the law, took upon himself the wrath that every believer deserves and paid the penalty for our sins.

Anytime anyone brings in other requirements trusting in them to obtain or maintain salvation, along side of Christ's finished work, it is the same as saying that the Lord's work was insufficient. If anyone is focused on performing their own works, then they are not focus on the Lord's.

Should we do good works? Yes, of course! It should be a desire for every believer to do so, but not to obtain or maintain salvation, but to glorify God. And regarding this he says that we are also building up our treasures in heaven.

The bottom line is that we should be trusting completely in Christ for our salvation. For as scripture states, "we are saved by grace through faith and this not of our own doing, it is the gift of God and not by works." Or I like how the NLT puts it:

"God saved you by his grace when you believed. And you can’t take credit for this; it is a gift from God. Salvation is not a reward for the good things we have done, so none of us can boast about it."

Excellent post brother! Well said.

Keep fighting the good fight of faith and God bless you!

 

[Jackson123]

We should do His will everyday, but weekly there is only one day the the Creator set apart.

Genesis 2:1-3, “Thus the heavens and the earth were completed, and all their array. And in the seventh day the Mighty One completed His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had made. And the Mighty One blessed the seventh day and set it apart, because on it He rested from all His work which the Mighty One in creating had made.”


Man can not set apoart another or different day. and people who say they "keep every day holy" are lying to themselves. working, doing lkaundry, mowing the lawn, etc. are not evil but that is not the work and will of Yah, and we have to do these things daily, but His set apart day is for His work not ours. :

Isaiah 58:11-14, "YHWH will guide you continually, and satisfy your soul in drought, and make fat; (strengthen), your bones. You will be like a watered garden, and like a spring of water, whose waters do not fail. And those of you will rebuild the old waste places; you will raise up the foundations of many generations; and you will be called the Repairer of the Breach, the Restorer of Streets to Dwell In; If you turn away your foot from breaking the Sabbath: from doing your pleasure; your own business, your own pleasure, on My holy day, and call the Sabbath a delight; the holy day of YHWH honorable, and will honor Him by not doing your own ways, nor finding your own pleasure, nor engaging in idle conversation: Then you will find your joy in YHWH; and I will cause you to ride on the high places of the earth, and feed you with the heritage of Yaaqob your father, for the mouth of YHWH has spoken it."


Mat 12:12, "And how much more valuable is a man than a sheep? Therefore, it is Lawful to do righteousness on the Sabbath."


Deuteronomy 4:2, “Do not add to the Word which I command you, and do not take away from it, so as to guard the commands of יהוה your Strength which I am commanding you.”


Mat 5:18, "I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh; the smallest of the letters will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Revelation 21:1, "I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away."


Deuteronomy 12:8, “Do not do as we are doing here today – each one doing whatever is right in his own eyes.”

brother Hizikyah,

I do not believe old testament is physically Apply for NT people.

When I work regular job, I can do It for His Glory or for my selfishness.

some body offer me to deliver drug and he pay $500 for 70 miles and If I take that offer, mean I am not glorified God.

To glorified God, I choose to work at minimum Wage.

so work not always mean not glorified God. Work for your family is also mean worship the Lord.

as long AS we rest oN Him every day we worship Him

to me rest mean trust to His Will.

Among 2 choice :
1. If I choose to deliver drug to make more money, mean I am not worship Him.

2. If I choose to work minimum Wage, mean I worship Him, while I work.

 

[Jackson123]

Hello Jackson,

I have answered all your questions and here is me thinking all this time, it was you who did not answer any of the questions that have beem sent to you?

The questions given were only sent to help you. For example remember the long list of questions I asked you that you never responded to some time ago re-posted in Post # 2202 (this post was sent to you in the Sabbath thread). What about the other questions sent to you in this thread, in post # 2289.....Post # 2293 and others elsewhere?

The question should be why haven't you answered any of the questions I have sent you? It is ok Jackson you do not have to answer these questions here. Maybe you can keep them between yourself and God and pray about them if you do not know the answers.

As to your question above do you not remember that I responded to it in post # 2187? Maybe you missed it or did not understand it? The wages of SIN is death for everyone of the 10 commandments for those who continue in SIN and reject the gift of God's dear son the living Word of God (Romans 6:23)

As I have answered all your questions, how about you answer mine in the linked posts above? You do not have to do so here. I will leave them between you and God to pray about.

.............................

IN times of ignorance God winks at but now calls all men every where to REPENT for the KINGDOM of HEAVEN is at HAND (Acts 17:30-31)

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we break any one of the ten we stand guilty before God of SIN (James 2:8-11) and need to repent and seek his forgiveness (Proverbs 28:13; 1 John 2:1; 1 John 1:9). Those that continue a life in known unrepentant sin will not enter into God's Kingdom (Hebrews 10:26-27)

There is NO SCRIPTURE that says that God's 4th commandment has been ABOLISHED and we are now COMMANDED to keep Sunday as a HOLY day

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

Brother LGF.

I may not Remember or understand your questions because your post is to long for me.

but my question is short and simple

can you show me a verse that say to obey sabbath law do not necessary kill the violator?

 

[stillness]

That Jesus addressed the law of Moses as the ten commandments is evident. "If a man on the sabbath day receive circumcision, that the law of Moses should not be broken; are you angry at me, because I have made a man every whit whole on the sabbath day?"
The law of Moses no longer holds us I bondage. "Sin shall not have dominion over you for you are not under the law but under grace." "All manner of sin shall be forgiven to man but rejecting the Holy Spirit shall be forgiven to man."

Jesus said that even rejecting Him as the son of man would be forgiven, this is what His disciples did on the night of His betrayal. "All of you will forsake (reject, abandon) Me this night. This leaves room for everyone to be forgiven except for the son of perdition. The one who wants to be equal with God and betray Jesus into the hands of sinners (the religious leaders). The salvation of God, the Mystery of God, is about the Love of God By the Holy Spirit in our hearts. People from all walks of life. Other religions are not excluded from receiving the "Holy Spirit poured out on all flesh."
The new covenant is about the Holy Spirit writing the law in our heart. Were it gets complicated is if we lean on our understanding, thinking that the Holy Spirit empowers us to obey the old law; when He teaches us the things concerning Jesus and it is evident that Just as Paul had to admit, "What is gain for me is lost for Christ." Otherwise may as well say then that He empowers us to prove ourselves righteous: making us an enemy of the cross of Christ? A dead man empowered to fulfil the law? but just as someone telling me, a dead man, to obey the fourth commandment, helped me see that the whole law had to be done away with to obey from the heart: forced to obey the law brings us to Christ to be set free: "A dead man is free from sin." "Having died with Him that the body of sin might be destroyed." "Now we are the body of Christ." Should those under the Law tell the body of Christ to obey the old law when He died and rose for us and is seated at the right hand of God.
The sad thing is that it proves not entered into rest in God, that we must die with Him to our selfish existence: what the law exposed could not be made right by the law. Isaiah 12:14.
"It is appointed to man once to die and then comes the judgment." It is appointed to man once to be separated from the Love of God and then comes the judgment." To God death is separation from Him, and breaking the law causes this and that it's inevitable, appointed for us. "Judgment begins at the house of God." Our judgment is now, This may come as a surprise, and what is the judgment if we have nothing to prove to God, but to bring us to rely on His I influence: sufficient grace. 1Corinthians 9:21 To those not having the law, I became like one not having the law."
"From now on let no one trouble me for I bear in my body the marks of the Lord Jesus." Refers to having suffered and died with Christ. Most of us barely entered in, "The fellowship of the sufferings of Christ." but the same attitude applies, not to be troubled by another, "God will not share His glory with another."

 

[LoveGodForever]

Brother LGF.

I may not Remember or understand your questions because your post is to long for me.

but my question is short and simple

can you show me a verse that say to obey sabbath law do not necessary kill the violator?

The questions I have asked you are not long and are simple to understand you have just refused to answer them. If you do not understand anything you are always free to ask to explain more what the question is talking about.

The questions in these posts are not long and hard to understand. If you believe they are, tell me which questions you do not understand from the posts below?

Post # 2202 (this post was sent to you in the Sabbath thread). What about the other questions sent to you in this thread, in post # 2289.....Post # 2293 and others elsewhere?

Now not understanding the questions and not knowing how to answer the question is two completely different things.

Maybe you mean you do not know how to answer the question?

Now as to your question above it has already been answered in the post you quoted and in post # 2187

Hello Jackson,

As to your question above do you not remember that I responded to it in post # 2187? Maybe you missed it or did not understand it? The wages of SIN is death for everyone of the 10 commandments for those who continue in SIN and reject the gift of God's dear son the living Word of God (Romans 6:23)

As I have answered all your questions, how about you answer mine in the linked posts above? You do not have to do so here. I will leave them between you and God to pray about.

If you believe your post has not been answered please explain how it has not been answered?

 

[Jackson123]

The questions I have asked you are not long and are simple to understand you have just refused to answer them. If you do not understand anything you are always free to ask to explain more what the question is talking about.

The questions in these posts are not long and hard to understand. If you believe they are, tell me which questions you do not understand from the posts below?



Now not understanding the questions and not knowing how to answer the question is two completely different things.

Maybe you mean you do not know how to answer the question?

Now as to your question above it has already been answered in the post you quoted and in post # 2187



If you believe your post has not been answered please explain how it has not been answered?

brother LGF

I read #2178, I do not see any verse that say to do sabbath law not necessary kill violator sabbath.

 

[LoveGodForever]

brother LGF
I read #2178, I do not see any verse that say to do sabbath law not necessary kill violator sabbath.

Hello Jackson you may need to read the post carefully here it is again. I will highlight it for you (Romans 6:23)

Originally Posted by LoveGodForever
Hello Jackson,

As to your question above do you not remember that I responded to it in post # 2187? Maybe you missed it or did not understand it? The wages of SIN is death for everyone of the 10 commandments for those who continue in SIN and reject the gift of God's dear son the living Word of God (Romans 6:23)

As I have answered all your questions, how about you answer mine in the linked posts above? You do not have to do so here. I will leave them between you and God to pray about.

more scripture..........

WHAT IS SIN?

James 2
8, If ye fulfill the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself, ye do well:
9, But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
10, For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, YOU ARE BECOME A TRANSGRESSOR OF GOD'S LAW
James is pretty clear if we brake ANY of God's Law (10 commandments) then we are a TRANSGRESSOR of God's LAW

links to...........

1 John 3
4 Whosoever commits SIN transgresses also the law: for SIN is the transgression of the law.
John is in agreement with James and states that if we TRANSGRESS God's LAW then we commit SIN because SIN IS THE TRANSGRESSION OF GOD'S LAW. So it is very clear that SIN is breaking ANY of God's LAW (10 commandments)

Links to...........

Romans 7
7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known SIN, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

Well here we have Paul in agreement with James and John also telling us that SIN is breaking God's commandments and uses the 10th commandment as an example of breaking any of God's LAW (10 commandments) = SIN (Exodus 20:17)

Links to............

Romans 3
20, Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: FOR BY THE LAW IS THE KNOWLEDGE OF SIN.

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we break any one of the ten we stand guilty before God of SIN (James 2:8-11) and need to repent and seek his forgiveness (Proverbs 28:13; 1 John 2:1; 1 John 1:9). Those that continue a life in known unrepentant sin will not enter into God's Kingdom (Hebrews 10:26-27)

There is NO SCRIPTURE that says that God's 4th commandment has been ABOLISHED and we are now COMMANDED to keep Sunday as a HOLY day

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Now Jackson plenty of scripture for you right? Who do you believe? God's Word of the teachings and traditions of men?

Now how about you answer some of the questions I have sent you?

 

[Hizikyah]

brother Hizikyah,

I do not believe old testament is physically Apply for NT people.

When I work regular job, I can do It for His Glory or for my selfishness.

some body offer me to deliver drug and he pay $500 for 70 miles and If I take that offer, mean I am not glorified God.

To glorified God, I choose to work at minimum Wage.

so work not always mean not glorified God. Work for your family is also mean worship the Lord.

as long AS we rest oN Him every day we worship Him

to me rest mean trust to His Will.

Among 2 choice :
1. If I choose to deliver drug to make more money, mean I am not worship Him.

2. If I choose to work minimum Wage, mean I worship Him, while I work.

human reasoning does not prove or disprove any Scriptual principle not change what Yah says..

Also, working any non sinful job may be right but it is not nessessaruly "the will of the Most High"

 

[Jackson123]

Hello Jackson you may need to read the post carefully here it is again. I will highlight it for you (Romans 6:23)



more scripture..........

WHAT IS SIN?

James 2
8, If ye fulfill the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself, ye do well:
9, But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
10, For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, YOU ARE BECOME A TRANSGRESSOR OF GOD'S LAW
James is pretty clear if we brake ANY of God's Law (10 commandments) then we are a TRANSGRESSOR of God's LAW

links to...........

1 John 3
4 Whosoever commits SIN transgresses also the law: for SIN is the transgression of the law.
John is in agreement with James and states that if we TRANSGRESS God's LAW then we commit SIN because SIN IS THE TRANSGRESSION OF GOD'S LAW. So it is very clear that SIN is breaking ANY of God's LAW (10 commandments)

Links to...........

Romans 7
7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known SIN, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

Well here we have Paul in agreement with James and John also telling us that SIN is breaking God's commandments and uses the 10th commandment as an example of breaking any of God's LAW (10 commandments) = SIN (Exodus 20:17)

Links to............

Romans 3
20, Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: FOR BY THE LAW IS THE KNOWLEDGE OF SIN.

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we break any one of the ten we stand guilty before God of SIN (James 2:8-11) and need to repent and seek his forgiveness (Proverbs 28:13; 1 John 2:1; 1 John 1:9). Those that continue a life in known unrepentant sin will not enter into God's Kingdom (Hebrews 10:26-27)

There is NO SCRIPTURE that says that God's 4th commandment has been ABOLISHED and we are now COMMANDED to keep Sunday as a HOLY day

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Now Jackson plenty of scripture for you right? Who do you believe? God's Word of the teachings and traditions of men?

Now how about you answer some of the questions I have sent you?

[h=1]Romans 6:23New International Version (NIV)[/h]23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in[a] Christ Jesus our Lord.

my question is: show me a verse that say sabbath law without death penalty

how you say this verse allow SDA practice sabbath law without death penalty? Explain please

 

[Jackson123]

human reasoning does not prove or disprove any Scriptual principle not change what Yah says..

Also, working any non sinful job may be right but it is not nessessaruly "the will of the Most High"

At least working non sinfull job to profide selther to your family is better than not working.

 

[LoveGodForever]

Romans 6:23New International Version (NIV)

23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in[a] Christ Jesus our Lord.

my question is: show me a verse that say sabbath law without death penalty

how you say this verse allow SDA practice sabbath law without death penalty? Explain please

Hello Jackson,

Your question makes no sense at all. Can you try explaining it better as I do not understand your question if you still believe your question has not been answered?

Very simply you have been shown through through the scriptures that if you break ANY of God's commandments you commit SIN (James 2:11; Romans 7:7; Romans 3:20; 1 John 3:4) and unless you seek God in REPENTANCE AND FORGIVENESS you will be LOST because the wages of SIN, (breaking any of God's 10 Commandments) = DEATH (Romans 6:23) because you have REJECTED the GIFT of God's dear son (the Word of God)

As it is written............

Hebrews 10
26, For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remains no more sacrifice for sins,
27, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

Please look at all the scriptures posted here. If nothing answers your question you will need to explain yourself better...

How about you make some effort to answer all the questions sent to you that you ignore?

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we break any one of the ten we stand guilty before God of SIN (James 2:8-11) and need to repent and seek his forgiveness (Proverbs 28:13; 1 John 2:1; 1 John 1:9). Those that continue a life in known unrepentant sin will not enter into God's Kingdom (Hebrews 10:26-27)

There is NO SCRIPTURE that says that God's 4th commandment has been ABOLISHED and we are now COMMANDED to keep Sunday as a HOLY day

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

 

[Jackson123]

Hello Jackson,

Your question makes no sense at all. Can you try explaining it better as I do not understand your question if you still believe your question has not been answered?

Very simply you have been shown through through the scriptures that if you break ANY of God's commandments you commit SIN (James 2:11; Romans 7:7; Romans 3:20; 1 John 3:4) and unless you seek God in REPENTANCE AND FORGIVENESS you will be LOST because the wages of SIN, (breaking any of God's 10 Commandments) = DEATH (Romans 6:23) because you have REJECTED the GIFT of God's dear son (the Word of God)

As it is written............

Hebrews 10
26, For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remains no more sacrifice for sins,
27, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

Please look at all the scriptures posted here. If nothing answers your question you will need to explain yourself better...

How about you make some effort to answer all the questions sent to you that you ignore?

...............

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we break any one of the ten we stand guilty before God of SIN (James 2:8-11) and need to repent and seek his forgiveness (Proverbs 28:13; 1 John 2:1; 1 John 1:9). Those that continue a life in known unrepentant sin will not enter into God's Kingdom (Hebrews 10:26-27)

There is NO SCRIPTURE that says that God's 4th commandment has been ABOLISHED and we are now COMMANDED to keep Sunday as a HOLY day

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

the BASIC reason of my question is

you say you practice sabbath law

sabbath law is : resting oN sabbath If not Will suffer death penalty.

SDA not apply death penalty

show me what verse that death penalty not apply for sabbath law

 

[LoveGodForever]

the BASIC reason of my question is

you say you practice sabbath law

sabbath law is : resting oN sabbath If not Will suffer death penalty.

SDA not apply death penalty

show me what verse that death penalty not apply for sabbath law

Jackson it is clear you do not know God's Word or are you interested in looking at the scriptures.

If you break any of God's LAW (10 commandments) as already presented with scripture in the last post that you ignore then you are under the death penalty because the WAGES of SIN (breaking ANY of God's commandments is DEATH. (Romans 6:23)

The last post provided the scriptures and have shown that unless you seek God in REPENTANCE AND FORGIVENESS you will be LOST because the wages of SIN, (breaking any of God's 10 Commandments) = DEATH (Romans 6:23) because you have REJECTED the GIFT of God's dear son (the Word of God). I suggest you read your bible my friend and look at the scriptures

I have sent you already and seek to answer the question that you ignore.

If you reject God's Word then you are an UNBELIEVER and UNBELIEVERS have no part in the KINGDOM of HEAVEN. ONLY the BELIEVERS and FOLLOWERS of GOD'S Word are God's people (Revelations 14:12). This is sad for you my friend

May God help you as you seek him through His Word.

 

[LoveGodForever]

IN TIMES OF IGNORANCE

God has many of His followers in all the Churches living up to all the knowledge that God has given them. Many do not know about God's 4th commandment and have been taught by the teachings and traditions of man to disregard it despite there being NO SCRIPTURE in ALL of God's Word that says God's 4th commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a HOLY day.

Jesus says he has followers in many places....

John 10
16, And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

God is calling his people wherever they may be to follow him according to His Word in truth....

John 4
23, But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshipers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeks such to worship him.
24, God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Many people do not know that they are not following God according to His 7th Day Sabbath commandment and as such God is patient with them until he reveals the truth of His Word to them.....

Some scriptures that are important..........

Acts 17
30, And the TIMES OF IGNORANCE GOD WINKS AT; BUT NOW <When a KNOWLEDGE OF THE TRUTH comes> COMMANDS ALL MEN EVERYWHERE TO REPENT:
31, Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.

and again...............

James 4
17, THEREFORE TO HIM THE KNOWS TO DO GOOD AND DOES IT NOT TO HIM IT IS SIN.

We are God's people if we are living up to all the light (truth) God has revealed to us and if God has given each of us a KNOWLEDGE OF THE TRUTH we are accountable to God not only for the truth God has revealed to us but also what it is we do with the truth God has given to us.

When a KNOWLEDGE OF THE TRUTH is shared with someone however and they do not BELIEVE it or ACCEPT it they are NO Longer a BELIEVER because they hare not BELIEVED the Word of God therefore are still in their SINS because they have NOT accepted the GIFT of God's dear son and these scriptures are now a WARNING........

Hebrews 10:26-27
26, For IF WE SIN WILLFULLY AFTER THAT WE RECEIVE A KNOWLEDGE OF THE TRUTH, THERE REMAINS NO MORE SACRIFICE FOR SINS,
27, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

You are correct many do not know that the Roman Catholic Church has changed God's 4th commandment from the 7th day of the week to Sunday the 1st day of the Week.

Those that God has revealed his truth have a duty of LOVE to our neighbor to help them come out of darkness to worship our God in Spirit and in truth. For God is a Spirit and those that worship him must worship him in Spirit and in truth.

The important thing however is that you always pray and ask Jesus what His truth is so you can know God's Word for yourself. If you SEEK Jesus for His truth asking Him in prayer then he will lead you and guide you and promises to teach you so you can know the truth and the truth can set you free...

This is God's promise to all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW His Word and why Jesus says; If you LOVE me Keep my commandments because it is by FAITH that you will find HIM who LOVES all.

Revelations 22
14, Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
15, For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we break any one of the ten we stand guilty before God of SIN (James 2:8-11) and need to repent and seek his forgiveness (Proverbs 28:13; 1 John 2:1; 1 John 1:9). Those that continue a life in known unrepentant sin will not enter into God's Kingdom (Hebrews 10:26-27)

There is NO SCRIPTURE that says that God's 4th commandment has been ABOLISHED and we are now COMMANDED to keep Sunday as a HOLY day

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

 

[lightbearer]

the BASIC reason of my question is

you say you practice sabbath law

sabbath law is : resting oN sabbath If not Will suffer death penalty.

SDA not apply death penalty

show me what verse that death penalty not apply for sabbath law

What about the rest? Do you teach it is ok for a Christian to kill, commit adultery, steal, worship other gods, make idol for worship, covet, or bear false witness?