GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?

[LoveGodForever]

How about you actually arrive at and confess an answer, exactly what is it 'engraved on tablets of stone' that the Holy Spirit says is a 'ministration of death' ?

You need to read your bible my friend. God's LAW (10 commandments) is the ministration of DEATH to the UNBELIEVER because it convicts of SIN and shows us what SIN is and the wages of SIN is death (Romans 6:23; Romans 3:20; 7:7; James 2:11; 1 John 3:4) and points us to the Savior (Galatians 3:24-25; Romans 6:23; 8:1-4)

To the BELIEVER God's LAW (10 commandments) through FAITH in God's Word are the Exceeding Great and Precious PROMISES and the POWER of God's salvation through Faith and the operation of God through the Spirit unto salvation from SIN.

Those that are still in their SIN have neither seen him or know Him....

 

[posthuman]

You just said the Ten Commandments, which Deuteronomy 4:13 clearly says is the Sinai Covenant with Israel, is indeed the ministration of death, and that that Law is the gospel.

That's a whole other kind of replacement theology you got there, dude, and definitely 'another gospel'

i'm done with you. bye.


1 Corinthians 1:18

For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.

 

[LoveGodForever]

You just said the Ten Commandments, which Deuteronomy 4:13 clearly says is the Sinai Covenant with Israel, is indeed the ministration of death, and that that Law is the gospel.

That's a whole other kind of replacement theology you got there, dude, and definitely 'another gospel'
i'm done with you. bye.
1 Corinthians 1:18

For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.

No I did say the LAW alone is the Gospel. The Gospel is the Word of God and we must LIVE by EVERY WORD of it. ALL the Word of God is the Gospel and the Good news and we should BELIEVE it.

God's LAW is part of the message of the cross. If you do not have God's Law you do not have sin. No sin no savior = no salvation. The other Gospel is one the tries to separate God's LAW from the cross.

Both are needed and one leads to the other...

 

[LoveGodForever]

No I did not say the LAW alone is the Gospel. The Gospel is the Word of God and we must LIVE by EVERY WORD of it. ALL the Word of God is the Gospel and the Good news and we should BELIEVE it.

God's LAW is part of the message of the cross. If you do not have God's Law you do not have sin. No sin no savior = no salvation. The other Gospel is one the tries to separate God's LAW from the cross.

Both are needed and one leads to the other...

Sorry typo to the above post... left out not; added in above in red .... timed out

 

[LoveGodForever]

don't you Said breaking one command mean breaking all?
not only human must be rest, according to the law of resting, land must be rest every 7 years because God rest every sebentar day. And because SDA breaking this law than you accused me mixed the law?

Hello Jackson,

We must ask our heavenly farther to have eyes to see and ears to hear so that we can know his Words that he freely give to all who come. He is knocking at the door. Who will open the door and let him in? In Christ we can only find peace and love. We must follow him because we love him. God's Sheep hear his voice.

 

[LoveGodForever]

Yes, breaking ONE little part of THE LAW was considered as breaking ALL of the Law! So, when SACRIFICING an ANIMAL in the evening twilight, it was to be done in the presence of ALL OF ISRAEL!!! How many on this forum GO TO ISRAEL each time, which is the LAW?
James 2:10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.

Hello Inquisitor,

What is the OLD and the NEW Covenant mean to you?

What does it mean the Gentiles are now grafted in from what you were talking about earlier?

If you have God's Word to share let's discuss it.

Originally Posted by LoveGodForever

Really?
How many commandments are in the 10 commandments? (Exodus 34:28; Deuteronomy 4:13; 10:4)

What is the Old Covenant to you and do you know what makes up the Old Covenant?

Here is a list of the rules, laws and commandments that make up the Old Covenant, both things you MUST DO, and things you MUST NOT do! All 613 Commandments in the Old Testament Law of Moses

I noticed you did not answer my questions before?

Why do you think that God Law (10 commandments) are called the 10 commandments (Exodus 34:28; Deuteronomy 4:13; 10:4) ?

Why did God make the 10 commandments separate from the Mosaic laws for remission of SIN and all the other laws of Moses that Moses wrote in a book?

Why do you think God LAW (10 commandments) were made by God himself, written which his own finger on two tables of stone and why he spoke the 10 commandments personally to His people?

There is a reason for all of the above questions. It is clear that you did not read the OP here. May I suggest you have a read of the OP? I look forward to talking with you more.

 

[Hizikyah]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 9:6-8, "However, it is not as though YHWH's plan had failed. For it is not everyone who is a descendant of Yisra’yl who belongs to Yisra’yl. Nor, just because they are his descendants, are they all Abraham's children; but: In Isaac will your seed be called. That is, it is not those who are the children of the flesh who are YHWH's children; but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham's seed."[/FONT]



[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Psalm 105:6-9, "O seed of Abraham His servant, You children of Yaaqob, His chosen ones! He is YHWH our Father! His judgments are in all the earth. He has remembered His covenant forever, the Law He commanded for a thousand generations; Which He made; ratified, established, with Abraham, and vowed by His oath to Isaac. He confirmed it; let it stand, to Yaaqob for a Law, and to Israyl for an everlasting covenant."

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]He made; ratified, established, with Abraham,

and vowed by His oath to Isaac.

He confirmed it; let it stand, to Yaaqob for a Law,

and to Israyl for an everlasting covenant."[/FONT]
[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 9:6-8, "However, it is not as though YHWH's plan had failed. For it is not everyone who is a descendant of Yisra’yl who belongs to Yisra’yl. Nor, just because they are his descendants, are they all Abraham's children; but: In Isaac will your seed be called. That is, it is not those who are the children of the flesh who are YHWH's children; but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham's seed."[/FONT]

 

[Jackson123]

Hello Jackson,

We must ask our heavenly farther to have eyes to see and ears to hear so that we can know his Words that he freely give to all who come. He is knocking at the door. Who will open the door and let him in? In Christ we can only find peace and love. We must follow him because we love him. God's Sheep hear his voice.

hello brother LGF

the word of OT say land must rest every sabbath years, why SDA only consider sabbath or rest for human, while God also command rest oN land?

don't you say violate part mean violate all?

 

[LoveGodForever]

hello brother LGF

the word of OT say land must rest every sabbath years, why SDA only consider sabbath or rest for human, while God also command rest oN land?

don't you say violate part mean violate all?

Hello Jackson do you know the difference between God's Law (10 commandments) and the Mosaic laws of Moses written in a book from the Old Covenant?

Do you know why God commanded Moses to keep God's Law (10 commandments) separate from the Mosaic laws written in the book of the Old Covenant?

Do you know what is the difference between the Old Covenant and the New Covenant?

Also do you know what is weekly and what is yearly? What about the difference between the Old and the New Covenant? What do these all mean in your understanding of God's Word?

 

[Hizikyah]

hello brother LGF

the word of OT say land must rest every sabbath years, why SDA only consider sabbath or rest for human, while God also command rest oN land?

don't you say violate part mean violate all?

The Sabbath year has been scientifically proven to benefit humankind.

Land that is given a rest and nothing grown every 7th year maintains its nutrient content for hundreds of years. Land that is not given this rest has 1/10th of the nutrients in the food grown on this non-rested land...

 

[Jackson123]

Hello Jackson do you know the difference between God's Law (10 commandments) and the Mosaic laws of Moses written in a book from the Old Covenant?

Do you know why God commanded Moses to keep God's Law (10 commandments) separate from the Mosaic laws written in the book of the Old Covenant?

Do you know what is the difference between the Old Covenant and the New Covenant?

Also do you know what is weekly and what is yearly? What about the difference between the Old and the New Covenant? What do these all mean in your understanding of God's Word?

at least I know that 10 commandment is in old covenant and new commandment is love, and we are in new commandment

Moses not create law, Thou shall not kill is God commandment,

violator sabbath must be kill is also God command/commandment

what is command

basically to command is to order, or to rule

Moses not make rule



[h=2]Definition of command[/h]transitive verb
1: to direct authoritatively : order

• commanded adherence to the rules

2: to exercise a dominating influence over : have command of: such as a : to have at one's immediate disposal

• commands many resources

b : to demand or receive as one's due

• commands a high fee

c : to overlook or dominate from or as if from a strategic position

• a hill that commands the city

d : to have military command of as senior officer

• command a regiment

3obsolete : to order or request to be given


if can show me a verse why 10 command different from other let me know.

 

[Jackson123]

The Sabbath year has been scientifically proven to benefit humankind.

Land that is given a rest and nothing grown every 7th year maintains its nutrient content for hundreds of years. Land that is not given this rest has 1/10th of the nutrients in the food grown on this non-rested land...

Yep though science not prove It must be in specific year, AS long AS rest every 7 year

 

[LoveGodForever]

at least I know that 10 commandment is in old covenant and new commandment is love, and we are in new commandment

Moses not create law, Thou shall not kill is God commandment,

violator sabbath must be kill is also God command/commandment

what is command

basically to command is to order, or to rule

Moses not make rule


Definition of command

transitive verb
1: to direct authoritatively : order

• commanded adherence to the rules

2: to exercise a dominating influence over : have command of: such as a : to have at one's immediate disposal

• commands many resources

b : to demand or receive as one's due

• commands a high fee

c : to overlook or dominate from or as if from a strategic position

• a hill that commands the city

d : to have military command of as senior officer

• command a regiment

3obsolete : to order or request to be given

if can show me a verse why 10 command different from other let me know.

Hello Jackson

It is given to the blind to have eyes to see and ears to hear and the lame to walk while those seeing see not. Those hearing hear not and those walking walk not. This is because spiritual things are spiritually discerned. They that be whole do not need the physician but those that are sick seek him. Many do not know the meaning.

Who can know the mind of God? As the heavens are higher than the earth so are my ways from your ways and so are my thoughts from your thoughts. But the Spirit of truth is given only to those that are poor.

He is the teacher of all the poor in spirit, he knows them all by name because he reads the intent of the heart that is sick. Who can look into the mirror that God gives to see who they are? These are those the look into the mirror and see God.

The natural man receives not the things of the Spirit of God neither can he know them because in his mind they are foolishness. Now you say you see therefore your sin remains.

Do you know the scriptures quoted above Jackson? What do you think they mean?

What does Jesus say to you in John 14:15 and why does he say this?

 

[Hizikyah]

Yep though science not prove It must be in specific year, AS long AS rest every 7 year

So does that make the Command of Yah null and void? I was showing the Command of Yah literally has benefit to humans through the ground being able to produce a more nutrient dense yield. Are we just looking for excuses to nullify? What is going on here? Also, Didn't you used to speak against the RCC and their change of the Sabbath? Or was that another person I am thinking of?

 

[LoveGodForever]

LOVE IS THE FULFILLING OF GOD’S LAW IN THOSE WHO BELIEVE

You cannot separate God’s Law of love from the 10 commandments because they are connected to each other. There is no need for confusion here. God’s Word makes it very clear.

Let's have a look................................................

What does Jesus say when he talk about the commandments. Jesus is quoting from Old testament scriptures of Deuteronomy 6:5 and Leviticus 19:18.................

Matthew 22
36, Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
37, Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38, This is the first and great commandment.
39, And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.
40, ON THESE TWO COMMANDMENTS HANG ALL THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS.

Let's get clearer......................................................

Matthew 19
16, And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
17, And he said unto him, Why call thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: BUT IF YOU WILL ENTER INTO LIFE KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS.
18, He saith unto him, WHICH? JESUS SAID, THOU SHALT NOT MURDER, THOU SHALT NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, THOU SHALT NOT STEAL, THOU SHALT NOT LIE, HONOR YOU MOTHER AND FATHER AND THOU SHALT LOVE THY NEIGHBOR AS THYSELF
20, The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet? 21, Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me. <Jesus showed him that he may have fulfilled His duty of love to his neighbor but not to God breaking commandment 1 and 2 loving riches more than God>

Well Jesus makes it very clear that what he is talking about it is the 10 commandments of God's Law.

What about James................................................................

James 2
8, If ye fulfill the royal law according to the scripture, THOU SHALT LOVE THY NEIGHBOR AS THYSELF, ye do well:
9, But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
10, FOR WHOSOEVER SHALL KEEP THE WHOLE LAW AND YET OFFEND IN ONE POINT, HE SHALL BE GUILTY OF ALL.
11, FOR HE THAT SAID, DO NOT COMMIT ADULTERY SAID ALSO DO NOT KILL. NOW IF YOU DO NOT COMMIT ADULTERY AND YOU KILL, YOU HAVE BECOME A TRANSGRESSOR OF GOD'S LAW.
12, So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

Well James makes it very clear what he is talking about when he talks about the Royal Law of love. He is talking about the 10 commandments. So Jesus and James both agree that they are talking about God's 10 commandments which also include the 4th commandment which is one of the ten.

What about Paul? He wrote a lot of books in God's Word...........................

Romans 13
8, Owe no man anything, but to LOVE ONE ANOTHER: for HE THAT LOVES ANOTHER HAS FULFILLED THE LAW.
9, For this, THOU SHALT NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, THOU SHALT NOT KILL, THOU SHALT NOT STEAL, THOU SHALT NOT LIE, THOU SHALT NOT COVET; and IF THERE SHALL BE ANY OTHER COMMANDMENT, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, THOU SHALT LOVE THY NEIGHBOR AS THYSELF.
10, Love works no ill to his neighbor: therefore LOVE IS THE FULFILLING OF THE LAW.

Paul makes it very clear what he is talking about as well when he is talking about God's Law. It seems like Jesus, James and Paul all agree together what it is they are referring to when talking about God's Law. They are all referring to God's 10 commandments which includes the 4th commandment which is one of the ten (Exodus 20:1-17)

So now that God's Word shows us what it is referring to. No need to guess, what are talking about, God’s Law of Love is God's 10 commandments. It is only through Faith that works by love that anyone can walk in the Spirit which produces the fruit of obedience because love is the fulfilling of God’s Law in those that walk by faith and not by sight.

Now let's look at the CONTEXT of the scripture you quoted from 1 John 3:22. Lovely scripture by the way.

1 John 3:22
23, And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and LOVE ONE ANOTHER, as he gave us commandment.

Now as we have seen above God's LAW (10 commandments) through LOVE is the fulfillment of God's LAW who have FAITH. Now is that the same for this scripture here in John?

Let's look at the CONTEXT of 1 John 3:23...............

1 John 3
3, And every man that hath this hope in him purifies himself, even as he is pure.
4, Whosoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
5, And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
6, Whosoever abides in him sins not: whosoever sins hath not seen him, neither known him.
7, Little children, let no man deceive you: he that does righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
8, He that commits sin is of the devil; for the devil sins from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9, Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remains in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
10, In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever does not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loves not his brother.
11, For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another.
12, Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.
13, Marvel not, my brethren, if the world hate you.
14, We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loves not his brother abides in death.
15, Whosoever hates his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.

So it looks like Jesus, James, Paul and John all agree together so it is unanimous that God's Law (10 commandments) are all tied to LOVE which is the power of God unto salvation through Faith. The FRUIT of FAITH is OBEDIENCE and the fulfilling of God's LAW in the hearts of those who walk by FAITH in the SPIRIT (Romans 8:1-4)

The FRUIT of FAITH is OBEDIENCE to God's LAW (10 commandments) If you have no FRUIT then you need to be aware that your tree will be CUT DOWN. It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God (Hebrews 10:26-27; 31)

In times of ignorance God winks at but now calls all men everywhere to repent (Acts 17:30-31). God's Word says if we break one of the ten we stand guilty before God of breaking all the commandments of God (James 2:8-12). God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) and if we break it like any of the other commandments we stand guilty before God of SIN (Exodus 20:1-17).

If we break any of God’s Laws we stand guilty before God in SIN (James 2:11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4; Romans 3:20). This includes the 4th commandment which is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

 

[gb9]

actually, in 1st John 3, right after John wrote that the commands are to believe in the name of the Son, and love one another, the very next thing he said was -now the one who keeps His commands remains in Him, and He in him.

so, John meant exactly what he said. and what did he not say? Sabbath. not a command for N.T. believers.

who should we believe? John the beloved, who walked with Christ, or cult teaching of something that is not there.

 

[Studyman]

And yet that is precisely what you spend a great amount of time doing.

You chide others for not following the OT food laws, not keeping the feasts of Israel, and not keeping the sabbath.


If you want to follow God, quit being so judgmental.

I don't chide other for doing this or that Shrume. I am on this forum to expose deceptions that have been taught through MCC for centuries. It's not about you or me, it's about what the scriptures actually say.

You have been taught that Jesus nailed God's Laws to the cross in Col. 2. I am showing those who care that Col. 2 does not say that.

Maybe there are other places that do, but Col. 2 does not.

 

[Jackson123]

Hello Jackson

It is given to the blind to have eyes to see and ears to hear and the lame to walk while those seeing see not. Those hearing hear not and those walking walk not. This is because spiritual things are spiritually discerned. They that be whole do not need the physician but those that are sick seek him. Many do not know the meaning.

Who can know the mind of God? As the heavens are higher than the earth so are my ways from your ways and so are my thoughts from your thoughts. But the Spirit of truth is given only to those that are poor.

He is the teacher of all the poor in spirit, he knows them all by name because he reads the intent of the heart that is sick. Who can look into the mirror that God gives to see who they are? These are those the look into the mirror and see God.

The natural man receives not the things of the Spirit of God neither can he know them because in his mind they are foolishness. Now you say you see therefore your sin remains.

Do you know the scriptures quoted above Jackson? What do you think they mean?

What does Jesus say to you in John 14:15 and why does he say this?

Hello brother LGF,

you not answere my question, can you show me verse that tell why 10 commandment must not follow by other command?

for Example rest oN sabbath not follow by death penalty?

 

[Jackson123]

So does that make the Command of Yah null and void? I was showing the Command of Yah literally has benefit to humans through the ground being able to produce a more nutrient dense yield. Are we just looking for excuses to nullify? What is going on here? Also, Didn't you used to speak against the RCC and their change of the Sabbath? Or was that another person I am thinking of?

I agree If the land rest every 7 years for the benefide of fertility, and I agree human must rest in the Lord every day, and I agree that catholic work for Lucifer, but worship the Lord is not only when we go to church, It must in daily life, not specifically oN saturday or sunday.

 

[MattforJesus]

The New Testament says that Jesus took the physical ordinances of Israel out of the way,nailing them to His cross,for they were contrary to us,which means they had no bearing on spiritual salvation,so let no person judge you in those which include the sabbath days,for they were a shadow of things to come,but the body is of Christ by the Spirit.

The Old Testament says that with stammering lips and another tongue will God speak to these people saying this is is the rest wherewith You may cause the weary to rest,and this is the refreshing,yet they would not hear.

Which the Spirit is our Comforter,and Jesus gives us rest for our soul,so it is a spiritual sabbath.Having the Spirit is how we obey the sabbath,for it is a spiritual rest,and we celebrate the creation of the new earth,the New Jerusalem.

If a person believes we have to keep the physical sabbath then they would have to abide by the rules of it including the punishment for not obeying the sabbath.

Jesus said man was not made for the sabbath,but the sabbath was made for man,and the sabbath was only given to the Jews,and Jesus took away those physical ordinances,and made of one new man both Jew and Gentile,and broke down the middle wall of partition between them.

Like the eating of unclean and clean animals that does not apply in the New Testament for let no person judge you in meats,and all meat is good and nothing to be refused if it is received with thanksgiving,for it is sanctified by the word of God,and prayer.

Let no person judge you in keeping the physical sabbath.