GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?

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Jackson123

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Matthew 5:17-18, “Do not think that I came to destroy the Torah or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to complete. For truly, I say to you, till the heaven and the earth pass away, one yod or one tittle shall by no means pass from the Torah till all be done.”


I did not come to destroy but to complete” (the Law and the Prophets)
till the heaven and the earth pass away
till all be done/perfected


These three must be before the Law can be done away/destroyed/abolished/etc.
I did not come to destroy but to complete” (the Law and the OT Prophets would have to be fully completed)
till the heaven and the earth pass away” (heaven and Earth would have to pass away)
till all be done/perfected” (all prophecy would be done/perfected)


Have all these already happened?


Matthew 5:17-18, “Do not think that I came to destroy the Torah or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to complete/fulfill.”


"but to complete/fulfill"


So I'm told yes He completed everything in the Law and the prophets, thus the Law (Instructions) of Yah is abolished/destroyed/done away.


So the first thing I find odd is the fact that He said 2 times, He DID NOT come to destroy the Law/prophets.… But lets look at "but to complete/fulfill" Has He completed everything written in the Law and the prophets that is for Him to compete? There is a prophecy that says Yahshua (Jesus) will return, He has not YET fulfilled/completed this;


Daniyl 7:13-14, “I was looking in the night visions and saw One like the Son of Enosh, coming with the clouds of the heavens! And He came to the Ancient of Days, and they brought Him near before Him. And to Him was given rulership and preciousness and a reign, that all peoples, nations, and languages should serve Him. His rule is an everlasting rule which shall not pass away, and His reign that which shall not be destroyed.”


Revelation 19:13-15:, "And He was wrapped in a tallit dipped in blood, and the Name of Him is called: Yahshua; The Salvation of YHWH. And the armies in heaven clothed in fine linen, white and clean, followed Him upon white horses, And out of His mouth goes a sharp, two-edged sword, that with it He should strike the nations; and He will rule over them with a rod of iron; and He treads the wine press of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty YHWH.”


Ps 2:9; Isa 63:3; Rev 2:16; Rev 2:27; Rev 14:19-20; Rev 19:21


Daniel 7:14, “And to Him was given rulership and preciousness and a reign, that all peoples, nations, and languages should serve Him. His rule is an everlasting rule which shall not pass away, and His reign that which shall not be destroyed."


Daniel 2:44, “And in the days of these sovereigns the Might of the heavens shall set up a reign which shall never be destroyed, nor the reign pass on to other people – it crushes and puts to an end all these reigns, and it shall stand forever.”


Zep 3:8, “Therefore wait for Me,” declares יהוה, “until the day I rise up for plunder. For My judgment is to gather nations, to assemble reigns, to pour out on them My rage, all My burning wrath. For by the fire of My jealousy all the earth shall be consumed.”


Rev 11:15, "And the seventh messenger sounded, and there came to be loud voices in the heaven, saying, “The reign of this world has become the reign of our Master, and of His Messiah, and He shall reign forever and ever!”


So we can CLEARLY see He has not yet fulfilled ALL the Law and prophets, and you know what part of the Law He has not yet fulfilled? His return and Judgment. He came as a Lamb, returns as a Lion. There are 7 “Feast” days of YHWH in Scripture. These 7 days are prophetic shadow pictures of the 1[SUP]st[/SUP] and 2[SUP]nd[/SUP] coming of Messiah Yahshua, the first 3 are about His 1[SUP]st[/SUP] coming as the suffering Lamb. The final 4 are about His 2[SUP]nd[/SUP] coming, when He returns as a conquering Lion.
Jesus come not destroy the Torah but to complete it

It doesn't mean we have to kill sabbath violator, or do animal sacrifice or do sabbath.

the real sabbath is Jesus. In Jesus we have complete rest and real rest.

let say you not work in sabbath, some businessman may close their office oN sabbath, but their mind never rest, only in Jesus a man have real rest.

Jesus come to complete sabbath law.

We talk about spiritual not physical sabbath

we worship in spirit and truth.

John 4:23-24 King James Version (KJV)

23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
 
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Here is 100 fun facts about God's Sabbath and Sunday worship backed up with God’s Word

1. After working the first six days of the week in creating this earth, the great God rested on the seventh day. (Genesis 2:1.3.)

2.
This stamped that day as God’s rest day, or Sabbath day, as Sabbath day means rest day. To illustrate: When a person is born on a certain day, that day thus becomes his birthday. So when God rested upon the seventh day, that day became His rest, or Sabbath, day.

3.
Therefore the seventh day must always be God’s Sabbath day. Can you change your birthday from the day on which you were born to one on which you were not born? No. Neither can you change God’s rest day to a day on which He did not rest. Hence the seventh day is still God’s Sabbath day.

4.
The Creator blessed the seventh day. (Genesis 2:3.)

5.
He sanctified the seventh day. (Exodus 20:11.)

6.
He made it the Sabbath day in the Garden of Eden. (Genesis 2:1-3.)

7.
It was made before the fall; hence it is not a type; for types were not introduced till after the fall.

8.
Jesus says it was made for man (Mark 2:27), that is, for the race, as the word man is here unlimited; hence, for the Gentile as well as for the Jew.

9.
It is a memorial of creation. (Exodus 20:11; 31:17.) Every time we rest upon the seventh day, as God did at creation, we commemorate that grand event.

10.
It was given to Adam, the head of the human race. (Mark 2:27; Genesis 2:1-3.)

11.
Hence through him, as our representative, to all nations. (Acts 17:26.)

12.
It is’ not a Jewish institution, for it was made 2,300 years before ever there was a Jew.

13.
The Bible never calls it the Jewish Sabbath, but always “the Sabbath of the Lord thy God.” Men should be cautious how they stigmatize God’s holy rest day.

14.
Evident reference is made to the Sabbath and the seven-day week all, through the patriarchal age. (Genesis 2:1-3; 8:10-12; 29:27-28.etc.)

15.
It was a part of God’s law before Sinai. (Exodus 16:4, 27-29.)

16.
Then God placed it in the heart of His moral law. (Exodus 20:1-17.) Why did He place it there if it was not like the other nine precepts, which all admit to be immutable?

17.
The seventh-day Sabbath was commanded by the voice of the living God. (Deuteronomy 4:12-13.)

18.
Then He wrote the Commandment with His own finger. (Exodus 31:18.)

19.
He engraved it in the enduring stone, indicating its imperishable nature. (Deuteronomy 5:22.)

20.
It was sacredly preserved in the ark in the holy of holies. (Deuteronomy 10:1-5.)

21.
God forbade work upon the Sabbath, even in the most hurrying times. (Exodus 34:21.)

22.
God destroyed the Israelites in the wilderness because they profaned the Sabbath. (Ezekiel 20:12-13.)

23.
It is the sign of the true God, by which we are to know Him from false gods. (Ezekiel 20:20.)

24.
God promised that Jerusalem should stand forever if the Jews would keep the Sabbath (Jeremiah 17:24-25.)

25.
He sent them into the Babylonish captivity for breaking it. (Nehemiah 13:18.)

26.
He destroyed Jerusalem for its violation. (Jeremiah 17:27.)

27.
God has pronounced a special blessing on all the Gentiles who will keep it. (Isaiah 56:6-7.)

28.
This is in the prophecy, which refers wholly to the Christian dispensation. (See Isaiah 56.)

29.
God has promised to bless all who keep the Sabbath. (Isaiah 56:2.)

30.
The Lord requires us to call it “honourable.” (Isaiah 58:13.) Beware, ye who take delight in calling it the. “old Jewish
Sabbath,” “a yoke of bondage,” etc.

31.
After the holy Sabbath has been trodden down “many generations,” it is to be restored in the last days. (Isaiah 58:12-13.)

32.
All the holy prophets kept the seventh day.

33.
When the Son of God came, He kept the seventh day all His life. (Luke 4:16; John 15:10.) Thus He followed His Father’s example at creation. Shall we not be safe in following the example of both the Father and the Son?

34.
The seventh day is the Lord’s Day. (See Revelation 1:10; Mark 2:28; Isaiah 58:13; Exodus 20:10.)

35.
Jesus was Lord of the Sabbath (Mark 2:28), that is, to love and protect it, as the husband is the lord of the wife, to love and cherish her (1 Peter 3:6.)

36.
He vindicated the Sabbath as a merciful institution designed for man’s good. (Mark 2:23-28.)

37.
Instead of abolishing the Sabbath, He carefully taught how it should be observed. (Matthew 13:1-13.)

38.
He taught His disciples that they should do nothing upon the Sabbath day but what was “lawful” (Matthew 12:12.)

39.
He instructed His apostles that the Sabbath should be prayerfully regarded forty years after His resurrection. (Matthew 24:20.)

40.
The pious women who had been with Jesus carefully kept the seventh day after His death. (Luke 23:56.)

41.
Thirty years after Christ’s resurrection, the Holy Spirit’ expressly calls it “the Sabbath day,” (Acts 13:14.)

42.
Paul, the apostle to the Gentiles, called it the “Sabbath day” in A.D. 45. (Acts 13:27.) Did not Paul know? Or shall we
believe modern teachers, who affirm that it ceased to be the Sabbath at the resurrection of Christ?

43.
Luke, the inspired Christian historian, writing as late as A.D. 62, calls it the “Sabbath day.” (Acts 13:44.)

44.
The Gentile converts called it the Sabbath. (Acts 13:42.)

45.
In the great Christian council, A.D. 49. In the presence of the apostles and thousands of disciples, James calls it the “Sabbath day.” (Acts 15:21.)

46.
It was customary to hold prayer meetings upon that day. (Acts 16:13.)

47.
Paul read the Scriptures in public meetings on that day. (Acts 17:2-3.)

48.
It was his custom to preach upon that day. (Acts 17:2-3.)

49.
The Book of Acts alone gives a record of his holding eighty-four meetings upon that day. (See Acts 13:14, 44; 16:13; 17:2; 18:4. 11.)

50.
There was never any dispute between the Christians and the Jews about the Sabbath day. This is proof that the Christians still observed the same day that the Jews did.

51.
In all their accusations against Paul, they never charged him with disregarding the Sabbath day. Why did they not, if he did not keep it?

52.
But Paul himself expressly declared that he had kept the law. “Neither against the law of the Jews, neither against the temple,nor yet against Caesar, have I offended any thing at all.” Acts 25:8. How could this be true if he had not kept the Sabbath?

53.
The Sabbath is mentioned in the New Testament fifty-nine times, and always with respect, bearing the same title it had in the Old Testament, “the Sabbath day.”

54.
Not a word is said anywhere in the New Testament about the Sabbath’s being abolished, done away, changed, or anything of the kind.

55.
God has never given permission to any man to work upon it. Reader, by what authority do you use - the seventh day for common labor?

56.
No Christian of the New Testament, either before or after the resurrection, ever did ordinary work upon the seventh day. Find one case of that kind, and we will yield the question. Why should modern Christians do differently from Bible Christians?

57.
There is no record that God has ever removed His blessing or sanctification from the seventh day.

58.
As the Sabbath was kept in Eden before the fall, so it will be observed eternally in the new earth after the restitution. (Isaiah 66:22-23.)

59.
The seventh-day Sabbath was an important part of the law of God, as it came from His own mouth, and was written by His own finger upon stone at Sinai. (See Exodus 20.) When Jesus began His work, He expressly declared that He had not come to destroy the law. “Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets.” Matthew 5:17

60.
Jesus severely condemned the Pharisees as hypocrites for pretending to love God, while at the same tune they made void one of the Ten Commandments by their tradition. The keeping of Sunday is only a tradition of men.

Forty Bible Facts Concerning the First Day of the Week

61.
The very first thing recorded In the Bible is work done on Sunday, the first day of the week. (Genesis l: l-5.) The Creator Himself did this. If God made the earth on Sunday, can it be wicked for us to work on Sunday?

62.
God commands men to work upon the first day of the week. (Exodus 20:8-11.) Is it wrong to obey God?

63.
None of the patriarchs ever kept it.

64.
None of the holy prophets ever kept it.

65.
By the express command of-God, His holy people used the first day of the week as a common working day for 4,000 years, at least.

66.
God Himself calls it a “working” day. (Ezekiel 46:1.)

67.
God did not rest upon it.

68.
He never blessed it.

69.
Christ did not rest upon it.

70.
Jesus was a carpenter (Mark 6:3), and worked at His trade until He was thirty years old. He kept the Sabbath and worked six days in the week, as all admit. Hence He did many a hard day’s work on Sunday.

71.
The apostles worked upon it during the same time.

72.
The apostles never rested upon it.

73.
Christ never blessed it.

74.
It has never been blessed by any divine authority.

75.
It has never been sanctified.

76.
No law was ever given to enforce the keeping of it, hence it is no transgression to work upon it. “Where no law is, there is no transgression.” Romans 4:15 (See also 1 John 3:4.)

77.
The New Testament nowhere forbids work to be done on it.

78.
No penalty is provided for its violation.

79.
No blessing is promised for its observance.

80.
No regulation is given as to how it ought to be observed. Would this be so if the Lord wished us to keep it?

81.
It is never called the Christian Sabbath.

82.
It is never called the Sabbath day at all.

83.
It is never called the Lord’s day.

84.
It is never called even a rest day.

85.
No sacred title whatever is applied to it. Then why should we call it holy?

86.
It is simply called “first day of the week.”

87.
Jesus never-mentioned it in any way, never took its name upon His lips, so far as the record shows.

88.
The word Sunday never occurs in the Bible at all.

89.
Neither God, Christ, nor inspired men ever said one word in favour of Sunday as a holy day.

90.
The first day of the week is mentioned only eight times in all the New Testament. (Matthew 28:1; Mark 16:2,9; Luke 24:1; John 20:1, 19; Acts 20:7; 1 Corinthians 16:2.)

91.
Six of these texts refer to the same first day of the week.

92.
Paul directed the saints to look over their secular affairs on that day. (1Corinthians 16:2.)

93.
In all the New Testament we have a record of only one religious meeting held upon that day, and even this was a night meeting. (Acts 20:5-12.)

94.
There is not intimation that they ever held a meeting upon it before or after that.

95.
It was not their custom to meet on that day.

96.
There was no requirement to break bread on that day.

97.
We have an account of only one instance in which it was done. (Acts 20:7.)

98.
That was done in the night-after midnight. (Verses 7-11.) Jesus celebrated it on Thursday evening (Luke 22), and the disciples sometimes did it every day (Acts 2:42-46.)

99.
The Bible nowhere says that the first day of the week commemorates the resurrection of Christ. This is a tradition of men, which contradicts the law of God. (Matthew 15:1-9.) Baptism commemorates the burial and resurrection of Jesus. (Romans 6:3-5.)

100.
Finally, the New Testament is totally silent with regard to any change of the Sabbath day or any sacredness for the first day.

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In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

May God bless you as you seek him through His Word.
 

Shamah

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Jesus come not destroy the Torah but to complete it

It doesn't mean we have to kill sabbath violator, or do animal sacrifice or do sabbath.

the real sabbath is Jesus. In Jesus we have complete rest and real rest.

let say you not work in sabbath, some businessman may close their office oN sabbath, but their mind never rest, only in Jesus a man have real rest.

Jesus come to complete sabbath law.

We talk about spiritual not physical sabbath

we worship in spirit and truth.

John 4:23-24 King James Version (KJV)

23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
With all due respect you clearly have no clue of what you speak.

Heaven and earth has not yet passed:

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]
Mat 5:18, "I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh; the smallest of the letters will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Revelation 21:1, "I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away." [/FONT]

and none have yet entered the rest Yahshua offers:


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Matt 11:27-30, "All things have been delivered to Me by My Father. And no one fully knows the Son except the Father, neither does anyone fully know the Father, except the Son and those whom YHWH wills the Son to reveal. Come to Me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you, and learn of Me; for I am meek and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For My yoke is easy and My burden is light"[/FONT]


“[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]you who are afflictedrest with us when the Master יהושע [FONT=Times New Roman, serif]is revealed from heaven with His mighty messengers”[/FONT][/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]This is till future;[/FONT]



[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]2 Thessalonians 1:5-10, “Clear evidence of the righteous judgment of יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], in order for you to be counted worthy of the reign of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], for which you also suffer, since [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]shall rightly repay with affliction those who afflict you, and to give you who are afflictedrest with us when the Master [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהושע [FONT=Times New Roman, serif]is revealed from heaven with His mighty messengers, in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], and on those who do not obey the Good News of our Master [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהושע [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Messiah, who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Master and from the esteem of His strength, when He comes to be esteemed in His set-apart ones and to be admired among all those who believe in that Day, because our witness to you was believed.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Revelation 14:13, "And I heard a voice from heaven saying to me: Write: Blessed are the dead, the ones dying in the Messiah from now on! Yes, says the Spirit: because they will rest from their labors, and their works do follow them!"[/FONT]




the Sabbath looks forward still to the 1,000 year reign:



[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Yet many understand Hebrews 4 to be bearing witness against the Sabbath as being the 7[SUP]th[/SUP] day, and that the true rest is in Yahshua/Jesus. It is true that the true rest is in Yahshua/Jesus, however, none have yet entered this rest:[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Matt 11:27-30, "All things have been delivered to Me by My Father. And no one fully knows the Son except the Father, neither does anyone fully know the Father, except the Son and those whom YHWH wills the Son to reveal. Come to Me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you, and learn of Me; for I am meek and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For My yoke is easy and My burden is light"[/FONT]


“[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]you who are afflictedrest with us when the Master יהושע [FONT=Times New Roman, serif]is revealed from heaven with His mighty messengers”[/FONT][/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]This is till future;[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]2 Thessalonians 1:5-10, “Clear evidence of the righteous judgment of יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], in order for you to be counted worthy of the reign of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], for which you also suffer, since [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]shall rightly repay with affliction those who afflict you, and to give you who are afflictedrest with us when the Master [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהושע [FONT=Times New Roman, serif]is revealed from heaven with His mighty messengers, in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], and on those who do not obey the Good News of our Master [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהושע [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Messiah, who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Master and from the esteem of His strength, when He comes to be esteemed in His set-apart ones and to be admired among all those who believe in that Day, because our witness to you was believed.”[/FONT]



[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]2 Peter 3:8, “But, beloved ones, let not this one matter be hidden from you: that with יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.”[/FONT]



[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hosheyah 6:1-3, “Come, and let us turn back to יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]. For He has torn but He does heal us, He has stricken but He binds us up[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]. After two days He shall revive us, on the third day He shall raise us up, so that we live before Him. So let us know, let us pursue to know [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה. His going forth is as certain as the morning. And He comes to us like the rain, like the latter rain watering the earth.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Rev 20:4-6, "And I saw thrones – and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them – and the lives of those who had been beheaded because of the witness they bore to יהושע and because of the Word of Ylohim, and who did not worship the beast, nor his image, and did not receive his mark upon their foreheads or upon their hands. And they lived and reigned with Messiah for a thousand years and the rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended) – this is the first resurrection. Blessed and set-apart is the one having part in the first resurrection. The second death possesses no authority over these, but they shall be priests of YHWH and of Messiah, and shall reign with Him a thousand years."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]For Messiah said:[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Matt 11:27-30, "All things have been delivered to Me by My Father. And no one fully knows the Son except the Father, neither does anyone fully know the Father, except the Son and those whom YHWH wills the Son to reveal. Come to Me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you, and learn of Me; for I am meek and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For My yoke is easy and My burden is light"[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hebrews 4:10, “For he who has entered into His rest has also ceased from his own works*, as YHWH did from His*.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Isaiah 58:11-14, "YHWH will guide you continually, and satisfy your soul in drought, and make fat; ([/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]strengthen[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]), your bones. You will be like a watered garden, and like a spring of water, whose waters do not fail. And those of you will rebuild the old waste places; you will raise up the foundations of many generations; and you will be called the Repairer of the Breach, the Restorer of Streets to Dwell In; If you turn away your foot from breaking the Sabbath: [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]*fr[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]om doing your pleasure; your own business, your own pleasure[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], on My holy day, and call the Sabbath a delight; the holy day of YHWH honorable, and will honor Him by not doing your own ways, nor finding your own pleasure, nor engaging in idle conversation: Then you will find your joy in YHWH; and I will cause you to ride on the high places of the earth, and feed you with the heritage of Yaaqob your father, for the mouth of YHWH has spoken it."[/FONT] [/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Genesis 2:1-3, “Thus the heavens and the earth were completed, and all their array. And in the seventh day the Mighty One completed His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had made. And the Mighty One blessed the seventh day and set it apart, because [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]*on [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]it He rested from all His work which the Mighty One in creating had made[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif].”[/FONT][/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]The real rest, that the Sabbath looks forward to, that none have yet entered into is this:[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Revelation 14:13, "And I heard a voice from heaven saying to me: Write: Blessed are the dead, the ones dying in the Messiah from now on! Yes, says the Spirit: because they will rest from their labors, and their works do follow them!"[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 11:27-30, "All things have been delivered to Me by My Father. And no one fully knows the Son except the Father, neither does anyone fully know the Father, except the Son and those whom YHWH wills the Son to reveal. Come to Me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you, and learn of Me; for I am meek and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For My yoke is easy and My burden is light"[/FONT]



[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Jeremiah 6:16-17, “Thus said יהוה[FONT=Times New Roman, serif], “Stand in the ways and see, and ask for the old paths, where the good way is, and walk in it; and find rest for yourselves[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif].” But they said, We do not walk in it.’ “And I raised up watchmen over you, and said, ‘Listen to a voice of the trumpet!’ But they said, ‘We do not listen.’[/FONT][/FONT]

 

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With all due respect you clearly have no clue of what you speak.

Heaven and earth has not yet passed:


Mat 5:18, "I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh; the smallest of the letters will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Revelation 21:1, "I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away."


and none have yet entered the rest Yahshua offers:


Matt 11:27-30, "All things have been delivered to Me by My Father. And no one fully knows the Son except the Father, neither does anyone fully know the Father, except the Son and those whom YHWH wills the Son to reveal. Come to Me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you, and learn of Me; for I am meek and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For My yoke is easy and My burden is light"


you who are afflictedrest with us when the Master יהושע is revealed from heaven with His mighty messengers”


This is till future;



2 Thessalonians 1:5-10, “Clear evidence of the righteous judgment of יהוה, in order for you to be counted worthy of the reign of יהוה, for which you also suffer, since יהוה shall rightly repay with affliction those who afflict you, and to give you who are afflictedrest with us when the Master יהושע is revealed from heaven with His mighty messengers, in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know יהוה, and on those who do not obey the Good News of our Master יהושע Messiah, who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Master and from the esteem of His strength, when He comes to be esteemed in His set-apart ones and to be admired among all those who believe in that Day, because our witness to you was believed.”


Revelation 14:13, "And I heard a voice from heaven saying to me: Write: Blessed are the dead, the ones dying in the Messiah from now on! Yes, says the Spirit: because they will rest from their labors, and their works do follow them!"




the Sabbath looks forward still to the 1,000 year reign:



Yet many understand Hebrews 4 to be bearing witness against the Sabbath as being the 7[SUP]th[/SUP] day, and that the true rest is in Yahshua/Jesus. It is true that the true rest is in Yahshua/Jesus, however, none have yet entered this rest:


Matt 11:27-30, "All things have been delivered to Me by My Father. And no one fully knows the Son except the Father, neither does anyone fully know the Father, except the Son and those whom YHWH wills the Son to reveal. Come to Me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you, and learn of Me; for I am meek and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For My yoke is easy and My burden is light"


you who are afflictedrest with us when the Master יהושע is revealed from heaven with His mighty messengers”


This is till future;


2 Thessalonians 1:5-10, “Clear evidence of the righteous judgment of יהוה, in order for you to be counted worthy of the reign of יהוה, for which you also suffer, since יהוה shall rightly repay with affliction those who afflict you, and to give you who are afflictedrest with us when the Master יהושע is revealed from heaven with His mighty messengers, in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know יהוה, and on those who do not obey the Good News of our Master יהושע Messiah, who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Master and from the esteem of His strength, when He comes to be esteemed in His set-apart ones and to be admired among all those who believe in that Day, because our witness to you was believed.”



2 Peter 3:8, “But, beloved ones, let not this one matter be hidden from you: that with יהוה one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.”



Hosheyah 6:1-3, “Come, and let us turn back to יהוה. For He has torn but He does heal us, He has stricken but He binds us up. After two days He shall revive us, on the third day He shall raise us up, so that we live before Him. So let us know, let us pursue to know יהוה. His going forth is as certain as the morning. And He comes to us like the rain, like the latter rain watering the earth.”


Rev 20:4-6, "And I saw thrones – and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them – and the lives of those who had been beheaded because of the witness they bore to יהושע and because of the Word of Ylohim, and who did not worship the beast, nor his image, and did not receive his mark upon their foreheads or upon their hands. And they lived and reigned with Messiah for a thousand years and the rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended) – this is the first resurrection. Blessed and set-apart is the one having part in the first resurrection. The second death possesses no authority over these, but they shall be priests of YHWH and of Messiah, and shall reign with Him a thousand years."


For Messiah said:


Matt 11:27-30, "All things have been delivered to Me by My Father. And no one fully knows the Son except the Father, neither does anyone fully know the Father, except the Son and those whom YHWH wills the Son to reveal. Come to Me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you, and learn of Me; for I am meek and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For My yoke is easy and My burden is light"


Hebrews 4:10, “For he who has entered into His rest has also ceased from his own works*, as YHWH did from His*.


Isaiah 58:11-14, "YHWH will guide you continually, and satisfy your soul in drought, and make fat; (strengthen), your bones. You will be like a watered garden, and like a spring of water, whose waters do not fail. And those of you will rebuild the old waste places; you will raise up the foundations of many generations; and you will be called the Repairer of the Breach, the Restorer of Streets to Dwell In; If you turn away your foot from breaking the Sabbath: *from doing your pleasure; your own business, your own pleasure, on My holy day, and call the Sabbath a delight; the holy day of YHWH honorable, and will honor Him by not doing your own ways, nor finding your own pleasure, nor engaging in idle conversation: Then you will find your joy in YHWH; and I will cause you to ride on the high places of the earth, and feed you with the heritage of Yaaqob your father, for the mouth of YHWH has spoken it."


Genesis 2:1-3, “Thus the heavens and the earth were completed, and all their array. And in the seventh day the Mighty One completed His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had made. And the Mighty One blessed the seventh day and set it apart, because *on it He rested from all His work which the Mighty One in creating had made.”


The real rest, that the Sabbath looks forward to, that none have yet entered into is this:


Revelation 14:13, "And I heard a voice from heaven saying to me: Write: Blessed are the dead, the ones dying in the Messiah from now on! Yes, says the Spirit: because they will rest from their labors, and their works do follow them!"


Mat 11:27-30, "All things have been delivered to Me by My Father. And no one fully knows the Son except the Father, neither does anyone fully know the Father, except the Son and those whom YHWH wills the Son to reveal. Come to Me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you, and learn of Me; for I am meek and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For My yoke is easy and My burden is light"



Jeremiah 6:16-17, “Thus said יהוה, “Stand in the ways and see, and ask for the old paths, where the good way is, and walk in it; and find rest for yourselves.” But they said, We do not walk in it.’ “And I raised up watchmen over you, and said, ‘Listen to a voice of the trumpet!’ But they said, ‘We do not listen.’

heaven and earth have not benn pass, and the word not pass.

pass and complete is 2different word and has 2 different meaning

we do not kill sabbath violator, is that mean the word have been pass?

no, but had been complete by Jesus

Sabbath is rest, Jesus come to give real rest. Jesus complete this sabbath law.
 

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Those who were given the law nullified the law by killing the one who had made the covenant with them. Obviously God new this would happen: this was to expose that self-righteousness is building our own kingdoms. This consequence of the fall had to be addressed and I marvel at the patience of God. The law is not of Faith and exposes us as contrary to God, to the point killing God to maintain self-righteousness. Our self righteousness causing us to despise the poor who struggle in addiction. Even for me this is trouble and I'm a recovering addict, admitting I lack God's compassion for sinners: much like you express your lack of compassion for sinners. This lack of compassion, exposes us as not obeying the new commandment: To Love one another as Jesus Loved us. "I came not into the world to judge the world but to save the world." "Let us not judge one another but judge this, that no one cause another to stumble." "No one straightway desires new wine, for they say the old is better." Jesus Is the new wine and living bread." Examine yourselves whether the truth as set you free. Jesus told us that as we learn of Him, of His humility, to be tamed as a friend of God: we would have rest for our souls. Entering into that rest through the suffering involved of Loving our enemies. This identifies us in His death so that we are not under the Law but under God's influence, "God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself."
If Jesus had come teaching the law as you did, he would not have been put to death and we would be slaves under the law of sin and death. You are not preaching the Love of Christ. To have an idea of the compassion of Christ, I advise you to watch video's of Dean Braxton who went to heaven and had many interviews of His experience; as well as of others that the Lord told to testify of Him, many of the others who encountered Jesus were sinners like myself who experienced being completely loved in our sinful condition. Every man will be rewarded according to His work. You may be a relief to me who understands well enough not to sink into the bondage your in, to give thanksgiving to God for sparing me. But to others you cause to stumble you bring judgment on yourself. "Whoever stumbles against the Rock Jesus will be broken, but whoever resists him will be ground to powder." I stumbled against Him years ago, to find out I did not measure up.
 

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Jesus come not destroy the Torah but to complete it

It doesn't mean we have to kill sabbath violator, or do animal sacrifice or do sabbath.

the real sabbath is Jesus. In Jesus we have complete rest and real rest.

let say you not work in sabbath, some businessman may close their office oN sabbath, but their mind never rest, only in Jesus a man have real rest.

Jesus come to complete sabbath law.

We talk about spiritual not physical sabbath

we worship in spirit and truth.

John 4:23-24 King James Version (KJV)

23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
You can keep the sabbath in the wrong way. If you understand the Way the Jewish leaders lost sight of the real meaning of the Sabbath you can start to appreciate the right way to keep it. It isn't about strict laws and to earn salvation it is about remembering what Jesus has done, and receiving the real rest that it brings. You obey because you love the Lord and want the complete rest it brings. You can choose to do it your way, or the way Jesus asked us from the beginning.
 

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You can keep the sabbath in the wrong way. If you understand the Way the Jewish leaders lost sight of the real meaning of the Sabbath you can start to appreciate the right way to keep it. It isn't about strict laws and to earn salvation it is about remembering what Jesus has done, and receiving the real rest that it brings. You obey because you love the Lord and want the complete rest it brings. You can choose to do it your way, or the way Jesus asked us from the beginning.
animal sacrifice is shadow.

so do sabbath

real rest is in Jesus. Sinner never have real rest If depoend oN earthly rest.

earthly rest is shadow, not real. Without Jesus, no body have real rest, you may stop working, but without Jesus, your mind never rest.

Sabbath is shadow of Jesus. Only when we invite Jesus in to our heart, we have the real rest.
 

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"Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. (Sabbath) Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light."
Matthew 11:28-30, KJV

Jesus Said If you want rest (sabbath) then come to me. This is the real sabbath.

Animal sacrifice and earthly sabbath or kill sabbath violator is shadow.

it was sabbath violator was stone to death, It is shadow for, If you do not come to Him you Will die in hell.


 

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Here is 100 fun facts about God's Sabbath and Sunday worship backed up with God’s Word

1. After working the first six days of the week in creating this earth, the great God rested on the seventh day. (Genesis 2:1.3.)

2.
This stamped that day as God’s rest day, or Sabbath day, as Sabbath day means rest day. To illustrate: When a person is born on a certain day, that day thus becomes his birthday. So when God rested upon the seventh day, that day became His rest, or Sabbath, day.

3.
Therefore the seventh day must always be God’s Sabbath day. Can you change your birthday from the day on which you were born to one on which you were not born? No. Neither can you change God’s rest day to a day on which He did not rest. Hence the seventh day is still God’s Sabbath day.

4.
The Creator blessed the seventh day. (Genesis 2:3.)

5.
He sanctified the seventh day. (Exodus 20:11.)

6.
He made it the Sabbath day in the Garden of Eden. (Genesis 2:1-3.)

7.
It was made before the fall; hence it is not a type; for types were not introduced till after the fall.

8.
Jesus says it was made for man (Mark 2:27), that is, for the race, as the word man is here unlimited; hence, for the Gentile as well as for the Jew.

9.
It is a memorial of creation. (Exodus 20:11; 31:17.) Every time we rest upon the seventh day, as God did at creation, we commemorate that grand event.

10.
It was given to Adam, the head of the human race. (Mark 2:27; Genesis 2:1-3.)

11.
Hence through him, as our representative, to all nations. (Acts 17:26.)

12.
It is’ not a Jewish institution, for it was made 2,300 years before ever there was a Jew.

13.
The Bible never calls it the Jewish Sabbath, but always “the Sabbath of the Lord thy God.” Men should be cautious how they stigmatize God’s holy rest day.

14.
Evident reference is made to the Sabbath and the seven-day week all, through the patriarchal age. (Genesis 2:1-3; 8:10-12; 29:27-28.etc.)

15.
It was a part of God’s law before Sinai. (Exodus 16:4, 27-29.)

16.
Then God placed it in the heart of His moral law. (Exodus 20:1-17.) Why did He place it there if it was not like the other nine precepts, which all admit to be immutable?

17.
The seventh-day Sabbath was commanded by the voice of the living God. (Deuteronomy 4:12-13.)

18.
Then He wrote the Commandment with His own finger. (Exodus 31:18.)

19.
He engraved it in the enduring stone, indicating its imperishable nature. (Deuteronomy 5:22.)

20.
It was sacredly preserved in the ark in the holy of holies. (Deuteronomy 10:1-5.)

21.
God forbade work upon the Sabbath, even in the most hurrying times. (Exodus 34:21.)

22.
God destroyed the Israelites in the wilderness because they profaned the Sabbath. (Ezekiel 20:12-13.)

23.
It is the sign of the true God, by which we are to know Him from false gods. (Ezekiel 20:20.)

24.
God promised that Jerusalem should stand forever if the Jews would keep the Sabbath (Jeremiah 17:24-25.)

25.
He sent them into the Babylonish captivity for breaking it. (Nehemiah 13:18.)

26.
He destroyed Jerusalem for its violation. (Jeremiah 17:27.)

27.
God has pronounced a special blessing on all the Gentiles who will keep it. (Isaiah 56:6-7.)

28.
This is in the prophecy, which refers wholly to the Christian dispensation. (See Isaiah 56.)

29.
God has promised to bless all who keep the Sabbath. (Isaiah 56:2.)

30.
The Lord requires us to call it “honourable.” (Isaiah 58:13.) Beware, ye who take delight in calling it the. “old Jewish
Sabbath,” “a yoke of bondage,” etc.

31.
After the holy Sabbath has been trodden down “many generations,” it is to be restored in the last days. (Isaiah 58:12-13.)

32.
All the holy prophets kept the seventh day.

33.
When the Son of God came, He kept the seventh day all His life. (Luke 4:16; John 15:10.) Thus He followed His Father’s example at creation. Shall we not be safe in following the example of both the Father and the Son?

34.
The seventh day is the Lord’s Day. (See Revelation 1:10; Mark 2:28; Isaiah 58:13; Exodus 20:10.)

35.
Jesus was Lord of the Sabbath (Mark 2:28), that is, to love and protect it, as the husband is the lord of the wife, to love and cherish her (1 Peter 3:6.)

36.
He vindicated the Sabbath as a merciful institution designed for man’s good. (Mark 2:23-28.)

37.
Instead of abolishing the Sabbath, He carefully taught how it should be observed. (Matthew 13:1-13.)

38.
He taught His disciples that they should do nothing upon the Sabbath day but what was “lawful” (Matthew 12:12.)

39.
He instructed His apostles that the Sabbath should be prayerfully regarded forty years after His resurrection. (Matthew 24:20.)

40.
The pious women who had been with Jesus carefully kept the seventh day after His death. (Luke 23:56.)

41.
Thirty years after Christ’s resurrection, the Holy Spirit’ expressly calls it “the Sabbath day,” (Acts 13:14.)

42.
Paul, the apostle to the Gentiles, called it the “Sabbath day” in A.D. 45. (Acts 13:27.) Did not Paul know? Or shall we
believe modern teachers, who affirm that it ceased to be the Sabbath at the resurrection of Christ?

43.
Luke, the inspired Christian historian, writing as late as A.D. 62, calls it the “Sabbath day.” (Acts 13:44.)

44.
The Gentile converts called it the Sabbath. (Acts 13:42.)

45.
In the great Christian council, A.D. 49. In the presence of the apostles and thousands of disciples, James calls it the “Sabbath day.” (Acts 15:21.)

46.
It was customary to hold prayer meetings upon that day. (Acts 16:13.)

47.
Paul read the Scriptures in public meetings on that day. (Acts 17:2-3.)

48.
It was his custom to preach upon that day. (Acts 17:2-3.)

49.
The Book of Acts alone gives a record of his holding eighty-four meetings upon that day. (See Acts 13:14, 44; 16:13; 17:2; 18:4. 11.)

50.
There was never any dispute between the Christians and the Jews about the Sabbath day. This is proof that the Christians still observed the same day that the Jews did.

51.
In all their accusations against Paul, they never charged him with disregarding the Sabbath day. Why did they not, if he did not keep it?

52.
But Paul himself expressly declared that he had kept the law. “Neither against the law of the Jews, neither against the temple,nor yet against Caesar, have I offended any thing at all.” Acts 25:8. How could this be true if he had not kept the Sabbath?

53.
The Sabbath is mentioned in the New Testament fifty-nine times, and always with respect, bearing the same title it had in the Old Testament, “the Sabbath day.”

54.
Not a word is said anywhere in the New Testament about the Sabbath’s being abolished, done away, changed, or anything of the kind.

55.
God has never given permission to any man to work upon it. Reader, by what authority do you use - the seventh day for common labor?

56.
No Christian of the New Testament, either before or after the resurrection, ever did ordinary work upon the seventh day. Find one case of that kind, and we will yield the question. Why should modern Christians do differently from Bible Christians?

57.
There is no record that God has ever removed His blessing or sanctification from the seventh day.

58.
As the Sabbath was kept in Eden before the fall, so it will be observed eternally in the new earth after the restitution. (Isaiah 66:22-23.)

59.
The seventh-day Sabbath was an important part of the law of God, as it came from His own mouth, and was written by His own finger upon stone at Sinai. (See Exodus 20.) When Jesus began His work, He expressly declared that He had not come to destroy the law. “Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets.” Matthew 5:17

60.
Jesus severely condemned the Pharisees as hypocrites for pretending to love God, while at the same tune they made void one of the Ten Commandments by their tradition. The keeping of Sunday is only a tradition of men.

Forty Bible Facts Concerning the First Day of the Week

61.
The very first thing recorded In the Bible is work done on Sunday, the first day of the week. (Genesis l: l-5.) The Creator Himself did this. If God made the earth on Sunday, can it be wicked for us to work on Sunday?

62.
God commands men to work upon the first day of the week. (Exodus 20:8-11.) Is it wrong to obey God?

63.
None of the patriarchs ever kept it.

64.
None of the holy prophets ever kept it.

65.
By the express command of-God, His holy people used the first day of the week as a common working day for 4,000 years, at least.

66.
God Himself calls it a “working” day. (Ezekiel 46:1.)

67.
God did not rest upon it.

68.
He never blessed it.

69.
Christ did not rest upon it.

70.
Jesus was a carpenter (Mark 6:3), and worked at His trade until He was thirty years old. He kept the Sabbath and worked six days in the week, as all admit. Hence He did many a hard day’s work on Sunday.

71.
The apostles worked upon it during the same time.

72.
The apostles never rested upon it.

73.
Christ never blessed it.

74.
It has never been blessed by any divine authority.

75.
It has never been sanctified.

76.
No law was ever given to enforce the keeping of it, hence it is no transgression to work upon it. “Where no law is, there is no transgression.” Romans 4:15 (See also 1 John 3:4.)

77.
The New Testament nowhere forbids work to be done on it.

78.
No penalty is provided for its violation.

79.
No blessing is promised for its observance.

80.
No regulation is given as to how it ought to be observed. Would this be so if the Lord wished us to keep it?

81.
It is never called the Christian Sabbath.

82.
It is never called the Sabbath day at all.

83.
It is never called the Lord’s day.

84.
It is never called even a rest day.

85.
No sacred title whatever is applied to it. Then why should we call it holy?

86.
It is simply called “first day of the week.”

87.
Jesus never-mentioned it in any way, never took its name upon His lips, so far as the record shows.

88.
The word Sunday never occurs in the Bible at all.

89.
Neither God, Christ, nor inspired men ever said one word in favour of Sunday as a holy day.

90.
The first day of the week is mentioned only eight times in all the New Testament. (Matthew 28:1; Mark 16:2,9; Luke 24:1; John 20:1, 19; Acts 20:7; 1 Corinthians 16:2.)

91.
Six of these texts refer to the same first day of the week.

92.
Paul directed the saints to look over their secular affairs on that day. (1Corinthians 16:2.)

93.
In all the New Testament we have a record of only one religious meeting held upon that day, and even this was a night meeting. (Acts 20:5-12.)

94.
There is not intimation that they ever held a meeting upon it before or after that.

95.
It was not their custom to meet on that day.

96.
There was no requirement to break bread on that day.

97.
We have an account of only one instance in which it was done. (Acts 20:7.)

98.
That was done in the night-after midnight. (Verses 7-11.) Jesus celebrated it on Thursday evening (Luke 22), and the disciples sometimes did it every day (Acts 2:42-46.)

99.
The Bible nowhere says that the first day of the week commemorates the resurrection of Christ. This is a tradition of men, which contradicts the law of God. (Matthew 15:1-9.) Baptism commemorates the burial and resurrection of Jesus. (Romans 6:3-5.)

100.
Finally, the New Testament is totally silent with regard to any change of the Sabbath day or any sacredness for the first day.

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In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

May God bless you as you seek him through His Word.
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one fact about the Sabbath - it has nothing to do with salvation.
 
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one fact about the Sabbath - it has nothing to do with salvation.
Yep although if you continue to break it just like any of God's 10 Commandments you transgress God's LAW and stand guilty before God of SIN (James 2:8-12). Those practicing KNOWN SIN will not enter into God's KINGDOM.

Hebrews 10
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ForIF WE SIN WILLFULLY AFTER THAT WE HAVE RECEIVED A KNOWLEDGE OF THE TRUTH , THERE REMAINS NO MORE SACRIFICE FOR SIN
27, BUT A FEARFUL LOOKING FORWARD TO FOR JUDGEMENT AND FIERY INDIGNATION, WHICH SHALL DEVOUR THE ADVERSARIES.
28, He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
29, Of how much sorer punishment, suppose you, shall he be thought worthy, who has trodden under foot the Son of God, and has counted the blood of the covenant, with which he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and has done despite to the Spirit of grace?
30, For we know him that has said, Vengeance belongs to me, I will recompense, said the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
31, It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

Yep, you only have today to turn to God. Tommorrow may be too late. Tick tock, tick tock..

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In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

May God bless you as you seek him through His Word.
 

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sabbath mean rest.

earthly man may appear to be rest but his mind not rest.



believer may look like work but his mind is rest.

Jesus guaranty to give rest/sabbath to His follower every day, not once a week. All you do is Come to me.

How to do sabbath?

easy, come to Jesus. This in spirit.

"Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light."
Matthew 11:28-30, KJV


I Will give you rest/sabbath

sabbath is a give, not our work, It is a give or grace.

in new covenant, salvation is a give or grace so do sabbath.





 
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sabbath mean rest.

earthly man may appear to be rest but his mind not rest.

believer may look like work but his mind is rest.

Jesus guaranty to give rest/sabbath to His follower every day, not once a week. All you do is Come to me.

How to do sabbath?

easy, come to Jesus. This in spirit.

"Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light."
Matthew 11:28-30, KJV

I Will give you rest/sabbath

sabbath is a give, not our work, It is a give or grace.

in new covenant, salvation is a give or grace so do sabbath.
Hello Jackson, what you have written here really makes no sense, and is not biblical, no matter how big you make it.

The Greek word for rest used in Matthew 11:28 does NOT mean Sabbath.

Where does it say in God's Word that Jesus is a Sabbath? It looks like your just making stuff up now....

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In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

May God bless you as you seek him through His Word.
 

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Hello Jackson, what you have written here really makes no sense, and is not biblical, no matter how big you make it.

The Greek word for rest used in Matthew 11:28 does NOT mean Sabbath.

Where does it say in God's Word that Jesus is a Sabbath? It looks like your just making stuff up now....

....................

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

May God bless you as you seek him through His Word.
just like you make stuff up- like John really meant Sabbath when he said the commands that N.T. believers were believe in the name of the Son and love one another.

then you make more stuff up, where one has to use 40 verses out of 5 different books to get the context of 1st John. that is ridiculous. like keeping the Sabbath , which is never commanded in the N.T., is part of salvation.
 

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Yep although if you continue to break it just like any of God's 10 Commandments you transgress God's LAW and stand guilty before God of SIN (James 2:8-12). Those practicing KNOWN SIN will not enter into God's KINGDOM.

Hebrews 10
26,
ForIF WE SIN WILLFULLY AFTER THAT WE HAVE RECEIVED A KNOWLEDGE OF THE TRUTH , THERE REMAINS NO MORE SACRIFICE FOR SIN
27, BUT A FEARFUL LOOKING FORWARD TO FOR JUDGEMENT AND FIERY INDIGNATION, WHICH SHALL DEVOUR THE ADVERSARIES.
28, He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
29, Of how much sorer punishment, suppose you, shall he be thought worthy, who has trodden under foot the Son of God, and has counted the blood of the covenant, with which he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and has done despite to the Spirit of grace?
30, For we know him that has said, Vengeance belongs to me, I will recompense, said the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
31, It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

Yep, you only have today to turn to God. Tommorrow may be too late. Tick tock, tick tock..

........

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

May God bless you as you seek him through His Word.
so, turning to God means keeping the Sabbath . more ellen white lies. turning to God means to believe in the Lord Jesus Christ. not keep the Sabbath.
 
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just like you make stuff up- like John really meant Sabbath when he said the commands that N.T. believers were believe in the name of the Son and love one another.

then you make more stuff up, where one has to use 40 verses out of 5 different books to get the context of 1st John. that is ridiculous. like keeping the Sabbath , which is never commanded in the N.T., is part of salvation.
And yet here we are still waiting for you to respond to the posts and scriptures that disagree with you showing the Chapter and within Scripture CONTEXT of 1 John 3:23.

Please see the linked posts that discuss the CONTEXT of 1 John 3:23 in detail below...

POST # 4133; POST # 4137; POST # 4138; POST # 4266 and POST # 4254 (All linked)

Only God's Word is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW him who calls us in LOVE to LOVE.

.............

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

May God bless you as you seek him through His Word.
 

Jackson123

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Hello Jackson, what you have written here really makes no sense, and is not biblical, no matter how big you make it.

The Greek word for rest used in Matthew 11:28 does NOT mean Sabbath.

Where does it say in God's Word that Jesus is a Sabbath? It looks like your just making stuff up now....

....................

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

May God bless you as you seek him through His Word.
hello LGF

this is the definition of sabbath

[h=2]Definition of Sabbath[/h]1a : the seventh day of the week observed from Friday evening to Saturday evening as a day of rest and worship by Jews and some Christians b : Sunday observed among Christians as a day of rest and worship
2: time of rest.




It's mean, rest is sabbath.




 
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Originally Posted by LoveGodForever


Yep although if you continue to break it just like any of God's 10 Commandments you transgress God's LAW and stand guilty before God of SIN (James 2:8-12). Those practicing KNOWN SIN will not enter into God's KINGDOM.

Hebrews 10
26,
ForIF WE SIN WILLFULLY AFTER THAT WE HAVE RECEIVED A KNOWLEDGE OF THE TRUTH , THERE REMAINS NO MORE SACRIFICE FOR SIN
27, BUT A FEARFUL LOOKING FORWARD TO FOR JUDGEMENT AND FIERY INDIGNATION, WHICH SHALL DEVOUR THE ADVERSARIES.
28, He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
29, Of how much sorer punishment, suppose you, shall he be thought worthy, who has trodden under foot the Son of God, and has counted the blood of the covenant, with which he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and has done despite to the Spirit of grace?
30, For we know him that has said, Vengeance belongs to me, I will recompense, said the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
31, It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

Yep, you only have today to turn to God. Tommorrow may be too late. Tick tock, tick tock..

........

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

May God bless you as you seek him through His Word.

so, turning to God means keeping the Sabbath . more ellen white lies. turning to God means to believe in the Lord Jesus Christ. not keep the Sabbath.
The above post your quoting from says nothing that you are referring to in your post. Now your just making stuff up too.

Do you LOVE God gb9?
 
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hello LGF

this is the definition of sabbath

Definition of Sabbath

1a : the seventh day of the week observed from Friday evening to Saturday evening as a day of rest and worship by Jews and some Christians b : Sunday observed among Christians as a day of rest and worship
2: time of rest.

It's mean, rest is sabbath.
Yea sorry Jackson it does not. Where in God's Word does it say Jesus is a Sabbath?

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In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

May God bless you as you seek him through His Word.
 

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And yet here we are still waiting for you to respond to the posts and scriptures that disagree with you showing the Chapter and within Scripture CONTEXT of 1 John 3:23.

Please see the linked posts that discuss the CONTEXT of 1 John 3:23 in detail below...

POST # 4133; POST # 4137; POST # 4138; POST # 4266 and POST # 4254 (All linked)

Only God's Word is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW him who calls us in LOVE to LOVE.

.............

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

May God bless you as you seek him through His Word.
1st John is a letter, written by the same person. in the first part of the letter ( chapters and verses were not added until 100's of years later ), John spoke of keeping commands. then he said what the commands were. THAT IS CONTEXT. reading a document from start to finish is context.

John did not mention Sabbath as a command. Paul did not list Sabbath keeping as a fruit of the Sprit. James did not list Sabbath as a good work. all these, jewish men who knew and kept the Sabbath , did not say to do so. there is yet more proof of Sabbath keeping, which is fine if one chooses to, is not part of salvation.
 
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1st John is a letter, written by the same person. in the first part of the letter ( chapters and verses were not added until 100's of years later ), John spoke of keeping commands. then he said what the commands were. THAT IS CONTEXT. reading a document from start to finish is context.

John did not mention Sabbath as a command. Paul did not list Sabbath keeping as a fruit of the Sprit. James did not list Sabbath as a good work. all these, jewish men who knew and kept the Sabbath , did not say to do so. there is yet more proof of Sabbath keeping, which is fine if one chooses to, is not part of salvation.
Here you go then answer the posts and the scriptures that disagree with you. These posts below show your just plucking scripture out of CONTEXT. If you disagree answer the posts and scriptures in them below that disagree with you.

POST # 4133; POST # 4137; POST # 4138; POST # 4266 and POST # 4254 (All linked). If you cqnnot its ok maybe you can pray about it at home.

Only God's Word is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW him who calls us in LOVE to LOVE.

.............

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

May God bless you as you seek him through His Word.
 
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