GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?
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Then you dont beleive the Scriptures: on what authority?
[FONT=times\ new\ roman]From Egypt to Moses: (X=Kohath to Amram to Moses) X = 63 years[/FONT]
Moses to the Exodus 80 years
Gen 15:13
13 And he said unto Abram, Know of a surety that thy seed shall be a stranger in a land that is not theirs, and shall serve them; and they shall afflict them four hundred years;
KJV
Ex 12:40-41
40 Now the sojourning of the children of Israel, who dwelt in Egypt, was four hundred and thirty years.
41 And it came to pass at the end of the four hundred and thirty years, even the selfsame day it came to pass, that all the hosts of the Lord went out from the land of Egypt.
KJV
From Gen 15:13 and Ex12 40-41 We see that from the time of Joseph's regency to the end of the Hyskos Dynasty was only 30 years that still leaves 360 years of afliction in Egypt. How do you suppose that the number of descendants of Jacob went from 70 to well over a milliion in 143 years.
When Israel entered Egypt The total number of people with him was 70. This included his 2 wives and 4 concubines, 9 of his sons (Joseph was there already), The sons’ wives, and his grandchildren who were born before they went to Egypt. In Numbers chapter 1, we learn that the number of males of fighting age excluding the Levites was 603,550. If the Levites were as prolific as their brethren there should have been at least 40,000 more the same age. If only one third of the males were too young or too old to fight, the number of males who left Egypt were at least 965,325. If the females were half the population (We know they were at least that because male children were killed and females kept alive during part of their stay.) Then the number of people leaving Egypt were at least 1,930,650, and probably more than 2 million. To have these numbers the men would have had to father an average of 40 children each. These numbers make the notion of more than 100 years per generation seem much more reasonable than they might otherwise seem to people of our culture.
As usual, your opinions and Scriptural facts are at variance!
[FONT=times\ new\ roman]From Egypt to Moses: (X=Kohath to Amram to Moses) X = 63 years[/FONT]
Moses to the Exodus 80 years
Gen 15:13
13 And he said unto Abram, Know of a surety that thy seed shall be a stranger in a land that is not theirs, and shall serve them; and they shall afflict them four hundred years;
KJV
Ex 12:40-41
40 Now the sojourning of the children of Israel, who dwelt in Egypt, was four hundred and thirty years.
41 And it came to pass at the end of the four hundred and thirty years, even the selfsame day it came to pass, that all the hosts of the Lord went out from the land of Egypt.
KJV
From Gen 15:13 and Ex12 40-41 We see that from the time of Joseph's regency to the end of the Hyskos Dynasty was only 30 years that still leaves 360 years of afliction in Egypt. How do you suppose that the number of descendants of Jacob went from 70 to well over a milliion in 143 years.
When Israel entered Egypt The total number of people with him was 70. This included his 2 wives and 4 concubines, 9 of his sons (Joseph was there already), The sons’ wives, and his grandchildren who were born before they went to Egypt. In Numbers chapter 1, we learn that the number of males of fighting age excluding the Levites was 603,550. If the Levites were as prolific as their brethren there should have been at least 40,000 more the same age. If only one third of the males were too young or too old to fight, the number of males who left Egypt were at least 965,325. If the females were half the population (We know they were at least that because male children were killed and females kept alive during part of their stay.) Then the number of people leaving Egypt were at least 1,930,650, and probably more than 2 million. To have these numbers the men would have had to father an average of 40 children each. These numbers make the notion of more than 100 years per generation seem much more reasonable than they might otherwise seem to people of our culture.
As usual, your opinions and Scriptural facts are at variance!
I'm glad you feel that way, However that in no way discredits the law, If you have gotten rid of sin in your life, hey your free from the law, infact your doing better then Paul according to him he's the chief of sinners..
1 Timothy 1: 14And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus. 15This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.
However for me, I am still a sinner also, and I need Jesus, and I need the law to show me I'm sinning against the person I claim to Love..
1 Timothy 1
8But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully; 9Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, 10For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine; 11According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust.
We all have things were still struggling with, or maybe not, Maybe you are made perfect in Christ, However we don't know and that's up to Christ to decide, Until then we Believe that he's purged us of sin once we've asked him too, and we confess it, and then we can be made whole, The law is no longer in effect, the curse of the law is no longer binding, were not sinners anymore, God has forgave us, now if we break it again, were back under the law, unless you believed once Saved always saved, But that can't be otherwise Saul shouldn't have ever sinned against God or God shouldn't have left him, because it says Saul.
1 Samuel 10
9And it was so, that when he had turned his back to go from Samuel, God gave him another heart: (So he was converted) and all those signs came to pass that day. 10And when they came thither to the hill, behold, a company of prophets met him; and the Spirit of God came upon him, and he prophesied among them. 11And it came to pass, when all that knew him beforetime saw that, behold, he prophesied among the prophets, then the people said one to another, What is this that is come unto the son of Kish? Is Saul also among the prophets? 12And one of the same place answered and said, But who is their father? Therefore it became a proverb, Is Saul also among the prophets? 13And when he had made an end of prophesying, he came to the high place
Saul prophesied, Knowing all the things we know will transpire to him in the future, it's hard to believe at one time he was chosen of God, and God even gave him a knew heart as He said he'd do for us.
Ezekiel 36:26
So I went on a whole other subject there, but basically saved always saved thrown out the window, So it's possible to come back under the law if we sin, We may come to God, and be forgiven completely, but we can always reject him again, it's just that easy unless we grow to Love him and his Son who died for us, So that means we need the law more then ever.
Death, is the Curse of the law, And the definition of sin is....
14Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. 5And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. 6Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him. 7Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. 8He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
Romans 6
20For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness. 21What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death. 22But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life. 23For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Way should we reject it? when the only way we know were commiting sin, is through God's word, and his law.
His Love is the most important part, But his Love only makes us change, But without his law we don't know we even need too.
I'm glad you feel that way, However that in no way discredits the law, If you have gotten rid of sin in your life, hey your free from the law, infact your doing better then Paul according to him he's the chief of sinners..
1 Timothy 1: 14And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus. 15This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.
However for me, I am still a sinner also, and I need Jesus, and I need the law to show me I'm sinning against the person I claim to Love..
1 Timothy 1
8But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully; 9Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, 10For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine; 11According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust.
We all have things were still struggling with, or maybe not, Maybe you are made perfect in Christ, However we don't know and that's up to Christ to decide, Until then we Believe that he's purged us of sin once we've asked him too, and we confess it, and then we can be made whole, The law is no longer in effect, the curse of the law is no longer binding, were not sinners anymore, God has forgave us, now if we break it again, were back under the law, unless you believed once Saved always saved, But that can't be otherwise Saul shouldn't have ever sinned against God or God shouldn't have left him, because it says Saul.
1 Samuel 10
9And it was so, that when he had turned his back to go from Samuel, God gave him another heart: (So he was converted) and all those signs came to pass that day. 10And when they came thither to the hill, behold, a company of prophets met him; and the Spirit of God came upon him, and he prophesied among them. 11And it came to pass, when all that knew him beforetime saw that, behold, he prophesied among the prophets, then the people said one to another, What is this that is come unto the son of Kish? Is Saul also among the prophets? 12And one of the same place answered and said, But who is their father? Therefore it became a proverb, Is Saul also among the prophets? 13And when he had made an end of prophesying, he came to the high place
Saul prophesied, Knowing all the things we know will transpire to him in the future, it's hard to believe at one time he was chosen of God, and God even gave him a knew heart as He said he'd do for us.
Ezekiel 36:26
So I went on a whole other subject there, but basically saved always saved thrown out the window, So it's possible to come back under the law if we sin, We may come to God, and be forgiven completely, but we can always reject him again, it's just that easy unless we grow to Love him and his Son who died for us, So that means we need the law more then ever.
Way should we reject it the law? when the only way we know were committing sin, is through God's word, and his law.
His Love is the most important part, But his Love only makes us change, But without his law we don't know we even need too.
Until were sure we've gotten all sin out of our life, and we've asked our brethren and sisters forgiveness of the things we may have done to them, Then we need the law, it's just how it is, Now if you tell me your free of Sin, Jesus and John already had answer to that....
John 15:22
Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth.
1 John 1
8If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us
Sooo yeah, The definition of Sin is transgression of His Law
1 John 3
4Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. 5And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. 6Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him. 7Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. 8He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. 9Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 10In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
So if you say "I'm not under the law" Then you also say "I'm no longer sinning" and by God's grace that may be true, I'm happy for you and I pray I reach that point myself, still praying fasting, and committing myself to God daily,
1 Corinthians 15
31I protest by your rejoicing which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily.
Dying to self, Dying to Hatred, pride, Envy, Lust, and every sins under the Sun, Gotta do it,
So by God's grace let's make it together..
Godbless.
1. I said what I said, the SDAs just like every other denomanation make some of their own ordinances. The 7th day Sabbath they did not make....
2. You would have to ask an SDA I dont really care what they teach or do.
What is your obsession with SDAs? I am not nor have ever been one, is it that if you can find lies committed by SDAs you can trash YHWH"s Sabbath in your mind?
SDA matter as much as every other denomanation, not at all. What matters is what YHWH says.
2. You would have to ask an SDA I dont really care what they teach or do.
What is your obsession with SDAs? I am not nor have ever been one, is it that if you can find lies committed by SDAs you can trash YHWH"s Sabbath in your mind?
SDA matter as much as every other denomanation, not at all. What matters is what YHWH says.
By the cross of Christ, we are above law; by Grace of God, "Sin shall not have dominion over you for you are not under the law but under Grace. To be above the law, to seek first the Kingdom of God, not about honoring a day above another but to continue to appear before God. "Daily pick up your cross and follow me."
Is the Law, all the commandments written in the posts now several pages back, from God or from man?
below they are listed along with the scripture ((authored by the God of Abraham)) where they are written:
[HR][/HR][HR][/HR]G-d
- To know that G-d exists (Ex. 20:2; Deut. 5:6) (CCA1). See What Do Jews Believe?.
Verse 2 is an indicative expression, not a LAW to be obeyed. Notice nothing is being commanded. "I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage."
(Exo 20:2-3 KJV)
The 613 mitzvah are an interpretation of what is Written. Some of them are GOD ordained laws, some are not.
They are a summary from a group of men not GOD.
That is just one; shall we continue through all the 613?
Sorry good boy 9,
I probably spoke to fast for you to comprehend. Let me try again.
I'll use an analogy you should be able to understand.
If the speed limit is 55. That is the commandment. Now if I continue to explain.
Men shall drive only 55 and women shall drive only 55., Old men with grey hair shall drive only 55. black men with a walking cane shall drive 55. If you are Spanish speaking, you shall drive only 55. Women who are pregnant shall drive 55. Boys 16 years old shall drive 55, teenage girls 16 years old and older shall drive 55.
The truth is, there is only one Law here.
But you deceivers, in an attempt to prove the law unjust, try to claim there are 11 laws here. That is what you and PH are doing.
You are just sore because I exposed your religious doctrine as not from God,************* again.
I probably spoke to fast for you to comprehend. Let me try again.
I'll use an analogy you should be able to understand.
If the speed limit is 55. That is the commandment. Now if I continue to explain.
Men shall drive only 55 and women shall drive only 55., Old men with grey hair shall drive only 55. black men with a walking cane shall drive 55. If you are Spanish speaking, you shall drive only 55. Women who are pregnant shall drive 55. Boys 16 years old shall drive 55, teenage girls 16 years old and older shall drive 55.
The truth is, there is only one Law here.
But you deceivers, in an attempt to prove the law unjust, try to claim there are 11 laws here. That is what you and PH are doing.
You are just sore because I exposed your religious doctrine as not from God,************* again.