GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?
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I think you are confused Dan. Jesus gave Laws to mankind which Abraham obeyed, and which Jesus had Moses recount for His People.
And He also added a Law specifically for the Levites called the Levitical Priesthood. This "ADDED" Law served 2 purposes.
#1. How God's instructions are administered.
Heb. 7:11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,)
#2. How sins are forgiven.
Heb. 9:6 Now when these things were thus ordained, the priests went always into the first tabernacle, accomplishing the service of God.7 But into the second went the high priest alone once every year, not without blood, which he offered for himself, and for the errors of the people:
This Law was to stay the same until Jesus came and changed it. (See Jer. 31, New Covenant)
The Bible says this priesthood has changed, not gone. Jesus is now our High Priest and is still following the Spiritual intent of the Priesthood, which was never created for the common man anyway, but for the Levites specifically.
How can you preach about God and not know these basic truths about His Word?
According to the Word's of God.
Gen 26:4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.
I would say Abraham obeyed God's Laws, which we learn were actually created by Jesus before He became a man..
John 8:56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.
This lines up perfectly with the promise Jesus gave us.
John 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
Jesus said He manifested Himself to Abraham and Abraham was glad. So it is clear that Abraham kept His Commandments and Jesus is faithful to keep His Promise.
Gen 26:4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.
I would say Abraham obeyed God's Laws, which we learn were actually created by Jesus before He became a man..
John 8:56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.
This lines up perfectly with the promise Jesus gave us.
John 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
Jesus said He manifested Himself to Abraham and Abraham was glad. So it is clear that Abraham kept His Commandments and Jesus is faithful to keep His Promise.
A New Commandment I Give You
The greatest commandment of all is found in Mat 22:34-40:
But when the Pharisees had heard that he had put the Sadducees to silence, they were gathered together. Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying, Master, which is the great commandment in the law? Jesus said unto him, "Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets."
The 10 Commandments, Short Form
1. You shall have no other gods before Me.
2. You shall not make idols.
3. You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain.
These will automatically be kept by those who love God with all their heart, soul and mind.
4. Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
The 4th commandment is open to misinterpretation as we can see in the parable of the Good Samaritan where the Priest and the Levite, who by the very nature of their office were the most obliged to perform works of mercy, but instead they passed by on the other side. Keeping the Sabbath day holy meant to them not helping others for fear of defiling themselves by contravening more of their laws. Consequently we are told to obey the spirit of the law instead of following the written law. See Romans 7:5-6
When we thought only of ourselves, the Law made us have sinful desires. It made every part of our bodies into slaves who are doomed to die. But the Law no longer rules over us. We are like dead people, and it cannot have any power over us. Now we can serve God in a new way by obeying his Spirit, and not in the old way by obeying the written Law. (Rom 7:5-6)
The remainder of the commandments will also be kept by those who follow the second greatest commandment which is to love their neighbour as themselves.
5. Honour your father and your mother.
6. You shall not murder.
7. You shall not commit adultery.
8. You shall not steal.
9. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbour.
10. You shall not covet.
While citing the parable of the Good Samaritan Jesus gave us a new commandment when he said:
A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. (Joh 13:34 KJV)
This is called the Royal Law by James who wrote, “If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well: (Jas2:8 KJV)
In Galations 6:2 we read, “Bear ye one another’s burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.”
Jesus set the example in small things, when he said, “If I then, your Lord and Master, have washed your feet; ye also ought to wash one another’s feet.” (Joh13:14 KJV)
We can see the greatest commandment of Christ being acted out in war torn countries across the world by compassionate doctors, nurses and aid societies regardless of race, colour and religious differences. They do not pass by on the other side, instead they replace the 4th commandment with the second greatest commandment of all.
May God bless.
The greatest commandment of all is found in Mat 22:34-40:
But when the Pharisees had heard that he had put the Sadducees to silence, they were gathered together. Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying, Master, which is the great commandment in the law? Jesus said unto him, "Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets."
The 10 Commandments, Short Form
1. You shall have no other gods before Me.
2. You shall not make idols.
3. You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain.
These will automatically be kept by those who love God with all their heart, soul and mind.
4. Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
The 4th commandment is open to misinterpretation as we can see in the parable of the Good Samaritan where the Priest and the Levite, who by the very nature of their office were the most obliged to perform works of mercy, but instead they passed by on the other side. Keeping the Sabbath day holy meant to them not helping others for fear of defiling themselves by contravening more of their laws. Consequently we are told to obey the spirit of the law instead of following the written law. See Romans 7:5-6
When we thought only of ourselves, the Law made us have sinful desires. It made every part of our bodies into slaves who are doomed to die. But the Law no longer rules over us. We are like dead people, and it cannot have any power over us. Now we can serve God in a new way by obeying his Spirit, and not in the old way by obeying the written Law. (Rom 7:5-6)
The remainder of the commandments will also be kept by those who follow the second greatest commandment which is to love their neighbour as themselves.
5. Honour your father and your mother.
6. You shall not murder.
7. You shall not commit adultery.
8. You shall not steal.
9. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbour.
10. You shall not covet.
While citing the parable of the Good Samaritan Jesus gave us a new commandment when he said:
A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. (Joh 13:34 KJV)
This is called the Royal Law by James who wrote, “If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well: (Jas2:8 KJV)
In Galations 6:2 we read, “Bear ye one another’s burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.”
Jesus set the example in small things, when he said, “If I then, your Lord and Master, have washed your feet; ye also ought to wash one another’s feet.” (Joh13:14 KJV)
We can see the greatest commandment of Christ being acted out in war torn countries across the world by compassionate doctors, nurses and aid societies regardless of race, colour and religious differences. They do not pass by on the other side, instead they replace the 4th commandment with the second greatest commandment of all.
May God bless.
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According to His Word, excepting the Levitical Priesthood that was added, Jesus created and gave to Abraham children the same instructions He gave to Abrahams. Jesus said to go to Moses and learn them.
Matt. 23:1 Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,2 Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.
The Bible does say Jesus is no respecter of persons, and that Jesus is the Same yesterday, (With Abraham and Moses) today (As a man) and forever.(as our High Priest) He did say, when He heard the groaning of Abraham's Children.
Ex. 2:23 And it came to pass in process of time, that the king of Egypt died: and the children of Israel sighed by reason of the bondage, and they cried, and their cry came up unto God by reason of the bondage.
24 And God heard their groaning, and God remembered his covenant with Abraham, with Isaac, and with Jacob.
Do you not know where to find God's Laws?
Matt. 23:1 Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,2 Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.
The Bible does say Jesus is no respecter of persons, and that Jesus is the Same yesterday, (With Abraham and Moses) today (As a man) and forever.(as our High Priest) He did say, when He heard the groaning of Abraham's Children.
Ex. 2:23 And it came to pass in process of time, that the king of Egypt died: and the children of Israel sighed by reason of the bondage, and they cried, and their cry came up unto God by reason of the bondage.
24 And God heard their groaning, and God remembered his covenant with Abraham, with Isaac, and with Jacob.
Do you not know where to find God's Laws?
Re: A New Commandment I Give You
Lev. 19:18 Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.
34 But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.
Duet. 23:5 Nevertheless the LORD thy God would not hearken unto Balaam; but the LORD thy God turned the curse into a blessing unto thee, because the LORD thy God loved thee.
The Mainstream Preachers of Jesus time were not preaching the truth about God's Word. Jesus spent his ministry correcting the doctrine. The Commandment might have been new to the Apostles and the mainstream preaching, but as God's word clearly says, it wasn't new to Jesus as he commanded it from the beginning.
"Many" who come in Christ's Name, reject God's Sabbath not because Jesus did or taught so, but because it is an ancient religious tradition. One must consider the truth of this reality when determining the reason for the rejection of God's Commandment. Certainly given there is no evidence that Jesus ever condemned it.
Lev. 19:18 Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.
34 But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.
Duet. 23:5 Nevertheless the LORD thy God would not hearken unto Balaam; but the LORD thy God turned the curse into a blessing unto thee, because the LORD thy God loved thee.
The Mainstream Preachers of Jesus time were not preaching the truth about God's Word. Jesus spent his ministry correcting the doctrine. The Commandment might have been new to the Apostles and the mainstream preaching, but as God's word clearly says, it wasn't new to Jesus as he commanded it from the beginning.
"Many" who come in Christ's Name, reject God's Sabbath not because Jesus did or taught so, but because it is an ancient religious tradition. One must consider the truth of this reality when determining the reason for the rejection of God's Commandment. Certainly given there is no evidence that Jesus ever condemned it.
You are here preaching doctrine, debating and arguing and yet you know so little about what the Word actually says. Since you disagree with most of what I posted, at lease that is your implication, I think you should present your evidence as to why you think Abraham and Abraham's Children were given different Laws.
And if you don't know what the Levitical Priesthood is, or where to find it, Is it wise that you are arguing or disagreeing with those who do?
Num. 1:49 Only thou shalt not number the tribe of Levi, neither take the sum of them among the children of Israel:50 But thou shalt appoint the Levites over the tabernacle of testimony, and over all the vessels thereof, and over all things that belong to it: they shall bear the tabernacle, and all the vessels thereof; and they shall minister unto it, and shall encamp round about the tabernacle.
And if you don't know what the Levitical Priesthood is, or where to find it, Is it wise that you are arguing or disagreeing with those who do?
Num. 1:49 Only thou shalt not number the tribe of Levi, neither take the sum of them among the children of Israel:50 But thou shalt appoint the Levites over the tabernacle of testimony, and over all the vessels thereof, and over all things that belong to it: they shall bear the tabernacle, and all the vessels thereof; and they shall minister unto it, and shall encamp round about the tabernacle.
Leviticus 7: 37. This is the law of the burnt offering, of the meal offering, and of the sin offering, and of the trespass offering, and of the consecration, and of the sacrifice of peace offerings; 38. which the Lord commanded Moses in Mount Sinai, in the day that he commanded the children of Israel to offer their offerings to the Lord, in the wilderness of Sinai. - Bible Offline
some laws were given at a certain place and time
but you are correct that i don't understand the law the way you do
so, please present a list of the laws you understand Abe kept
some laws were given at a certain place and time
but you are correct that i don't understand the law the way you do
so, please present a list of the laws you understand Abe kept
it's not how you count that i'm asking about. as i said.
so for example the commandments for daily sacrifices, for special sacrifices on sabbaths, new moon festivals, feasts and for sabbath years and jubilee, for sacrifices concerning birth of a child, or the firstborn of animals -- sacrifices required of all the people under the covenant -- are these from God or from man?
so for example the commandments for daily sacrifices, for special sacrifices on sabbaths, new moon festivals, feasts and for sabbath years and jubilee, for sacrifices concerning birth of a child, or the firstborn of animals -- sacrifices required of all the people under the covenant -- are these from God or from man?
so all the commandments are from God?
you admit this?
Exodus 29:9 is from God, not man?
because it says the priesthood is Aaron's and his sons, forever
how then is it changed?
don't you have "God fighting against God on the cross" as you like to say?
or do you have the annulment of a covenant that was made specifically with a specific people?
you admit this?
Exodus 29:9 is from God, not man?
because it says the priesthood is Aaron's and his sons, forever
how then is it changed?
don't you have "God fighting against God on the cross" as you like to say?
or do you have the annulment of a covenant that was made specifically with a specific people?
esp. those things written in the Law regarding what must be done on sabbaths and what must be done ((by the whole congregation)) when any sabbath is violated, according to what is written in the Law about what constitutes defilement of any sabbath . . . ?
((as Jackson has been asking about for over 200 pages now.. ))