GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?

[Endoscopy]

The 613 Mitzvot laws are the law of the land of Israel. I follow English law and you will follow American law. The New Testament explains God's law as expounded by Paul, Jesus and others. So as I say, as you aren't living in the Bronze Age you need to walk in the light of God's New Covenant, or as it is known, the New Testament.

You talk about the laws of man and ignore the laws of God. You stand in judgement before our court system for breaking man's laws. You stand before God for breaking God's laws. The question is did you accept Jesus and have your sins imputed to Him

The 613 rules in the Torah are the law Jesus referred to here. Transgression this law is sin. The penalty of sin is condemnation before the judgement seat of God. Read what Jesus in the New Testament said about the law foolish one.

Matthew 5:13 to 20 NIV
Jesus saying he came to fulfill the law and the prophets.

Salt and Light
13 “You are the salt of the earth. But if the salt loses its saltiness, how can it be made salty again? It is no longer good for anything, except to be thrown out and trampled underfoot.

14 “You are the light of the world. A town built on a hill cannot be hidden. 15 Neither do people light a lamp and put it under a bowl. Instead they put it on its stand, and it gives light to everyone in the house. 16 In the same way, let your light shine before others, that they may see your good deeds and glorify your Father in heaven.

The Fulfillment of the Law
17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.

 

[PS]

Paul taught that Jesus Christ is the end of the Mosaic Law in two respects. First the Law had a function to fulfil in history and then it would be terminated by Jesus Christ.

Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator. (Gal 3:19 KJV)

The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it. (Luk 16:16 KJV)

For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ. (Joh 1:17 KJV)

Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath daysCol 2:16 KJV)

If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron? For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law. (Heb 7:11-12 KJV)

But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building; Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us. (Heb 9:11-12 KJV)


Second Paul told us the purpose of the Law was to bring people to Christ:

But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.(Rom 7:6 KJV)

Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.(Gal 5:1 KJV)

And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses. (Act 13:39 KJV)

Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. (Gal 3:24 KJV)

Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified. (Gal 2:16 KJV)

The Law is no more a rule of life than it is a means of righteousness.God has terminated the whole Mosaic Law. It is one unified code (Rom 7:6).

In summery, God has terminated the whole Mosaic Law and wants us to observe nine of the Ten Commandments because they are part of the Law of Christ and has added one more, replacing the 4th commandment, which is to"Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ." (Gal 6:2 KJV) or as is sometimes said to "love one another."

 

[Studyman]

I'm not sure what you mean when you say Jesus was the intent of the law. Do you mean Jesus was the fulfilment of the law?

Most of that is not scripture, but your own words and you are missing the mark by a mile.

I can understand why you would not want to engage, it is a damning summary.

"The word "END" has at least two different meanings. One is the end as in it's over. "The end of life" means life is over.

Another meaning is intent.

Rom. 14:9 For to this end (intent)Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living.

Because it is mainstream religious tradition to reject much of God's instruction as a matter of doctrine, they have chosen to place the wrong definition of "end" which distorts the authors intent. You seem to have been tricked by this distortion.

The Greek for "end" in this sentence is "telos" meaning "to set out for definite point or goal" "Conclusion" "result", "purpose."

As opposed to the other definition which is in the Greek, "teleo" which means to "end", complete, execute, conclude, fill up, make an end, finish, perform.

Since I don't belong to a religion which rejects much of God's Word as a matter of doctrine, I have no interest or reason to distort or twist a word in order to promote some religious tradition.

Jesus is the result of God Law, Jesus is the intent of God's Law. That is what the text means.

It doesn't mean, as many preach, that Jesus is the destruction of God's Law, the discharge of God's Law, the expiration of God's Law.

Feel free to look up the Greek for yourself.

 

[PS]

I can understand why you would not want to engage, it is a damning summary.

"The word "END" has at least two different meanings. One is the end as in it's over. "The end of life" means life is over.

Another meaning is intent.

Rom. 14:9 For to this end (intent)Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living.

Amen, Amen.

 

[Endoscopy]

What you don't understand is that the earth existed long before the Jewish nation and Adam.

There are 2 paradigms about the start of the universe.
Paradigm 1 Genesis 1:1 "In the begining god created the heavens and the earth."
Paradigm 2 big bang evolution.

Archaeology proves events recorded in the Bible is correct. Geology proves the flood happened. The Grand Canyon and the "little grand canyon" created after Mt. St. Helens blew its to prove this. Both have smooth layers of earth shown in them. The layers in the Grand Canyon show no signs of any erosion which would be there if deposited over time. Therefore both show the result of a catestrophic event. The layers in the Grand Canyon are seen over much of North America. Thus part of the proof of the flood.

This scientific evidence is viewed by both paradigms and each has opposing views. Since atheists reject God they view it as an anomily. Continents and mountains rising and falling over time. That is their explanation for fossils on mountain tops.

Which paradigm do you support?

 

[Endoscopy]

This 5 minute rule doesn't work well when using a tablet with a SwiftKey keyboard. This sitesinjects errors when typing. I press a period and get a letter. Using the prediction part of it injects unusual errors which i have to correct. I normally just look at the prediction and click on that. This site about 1/4 ofothe time messes the text up. Then i have to go back and fix it. Too many times I don't see it until I post it. Some are subtle. Editing a longer post eats up time since many times i have to correct an error several times for it to take. Very frustrating. Only have this problem on this site!

Took over 5 minutes to create this post because of the injected errors. I left one in as an example.

 

[Dan_473]

Wow!!

Maybe for another jesus I don't know. But for my Jesus, the Jesus of the Bible, who created everything including His Word, I would say He extended the debate for thousands of years, over generation after generation. From Cain all the way to the Pharisees, and it continues to this day.

Gen.4:7 If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.

Matt. 23:37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!

Rom. 2:4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;
6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:

I don't think you thought that statement through very well.

i thought you meant the example of Jesus in his ministry around 29 ad in the middle East

i don't think gen 2:4 is an extended debate, Cain says 3 sentences


but sure, I'll rephrase

one thing we don't have in the scriptures is any examples of the kind of extended debate one often finds here in the bdf

 

[posthuman]

I know you don't care about the truth regarding The instructions Jesus gave before coming to earth as a man. First it was the number, now it is something else, and when your intent is exposed here, you will move on to the next, and on to the next, and on to the next.

different topic, same tactic. It is always the same with you. Deflect, change the subject, omit, ignore.

The true Jesus and Biblical God are one. Until you come to terms with that Biblical Truth, you are just another on the broad path.

maybe you can change how you count and come up with 550, or 650. we're not doing numerology here. it's moot with regard to what i'm asking you. let it be 'n' for now.

the question is simple; i haven't changed questions, and i'm asking you a third time:

Don't care about the number.


Do you confess that everything in that list is from the mouth of God or do you deny it?

are all of the commandments in the Law from God or from man?

 

[posthuman]

The true Jesus and Biblical God are one. Until you come to terms with that Biblical Truth, you are just another on the broad path.

maybe you haven't seen this thread:

Christ is God

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[posthuman]

This 5 minute rule doesn't work well when using a tablet with a SwiftKey keyboard. This sitesinjects errors when typing. I press a period and get a letter. Using the prediction part of it injects unusual errors which i have to correct. I normally just look at the prediction and click on that. This site about 1/4 ofothe time messes the text up. Then i have to go back and fix it. Too many times I don't see it until I post it. Some are subtle. Editing a longer post eats up time since many times i have to correct an error several times for it to take. Very frustrating. Only have this problem on this site!

Took over 5 minutes to create this post because of the injected errors. I left one in as an example.

when you make a post, use "Go Advanced" button instead of "Post Quick Reply"

then use "Preview Post" button as many times as you like to check for and correct errors. there is no time limit and no limit on how many times you can preview & revise.

then, when you are satisfied, use "Submit Reply"

only at that point, once the reply has been posted, is there a 5 minute window for additional edit.

 

[posthuman]

The Greek for "end" in this sentence is "telos" meaning "to set out for definite point or goal" "Conclusion" "result", "purpose."

yes, "telos" is the word one would use when they describe a trip they are going to take. "destination"

once you reach a destination, do you keep travelling?
do you find yourself still on the way there, after you've arrived?

are we 'always learning but never able to come to a knowledge of the truth' ?
forever keeping a ritual that points to rest, but never entering into it?

sacrifices have ended -- sacrifices the Almighty Himself instituted as unchangeable Law -- because one sacrifice has made them all obsolete.
((or, do you say God never commanded sacrifices? those were purely human-origin?))

what, then?

 

[posthuman]

For he that is dead is freed from sin.
(Romans 6:7)
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let us enter in with thanksgiving and praise

 

[Endoscopy]

when you make a post, use "Go Advanced" button instead of "Post Quick Reply"

then use "Preview Post" button as many times as you like to check for and correct errors. there is no time limit and no limit on how many times you can preview & revise.

then, when you are satisfied, use "Submit Reply"

only at that point, once the reply has been posted, is there a 5 minute window for additional edit.

Thank you for your help in this matter.

Darn I pressed a period and got a letter b.

On my tablet I only have edit, reply, edit with

 

[Endoscopy]

Five minute time out again.

On my tablet I only have edit, reply, edit with quote, and a quote symbol. That quote symbol doesn't do it either.

Fixed a couple of errors in this post.

Just found preview changes in editing this post. Will try that.

Went there and wrote this line.

Android tablets must get a somewhat different menu.

 

[Endoscopy]

Five minute rule bit me again.

I will try my laptop when I get a new Wi-Fi card for it.

I clicked preview changes and got the 5 minute rule.

 

[Studyman]

Paul taught that Jesus Christ is the end of the Mosaic Law in two respects. First the Law had a function to fulfil in history and then it would be terminated by Jesus Christ.

Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator. (Gal 3:19 KJV)

This is speaking to the "Law of Works" which was added to the Laws already in existence, "because of transgression" until the seed should come. This is not speaking to God's universal Law that is in force forever, the same law we are to be judged by.

The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it. (Luk 16:16 KJV)

Luke 16:16 The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.17 And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail.

This scripture does in no way destroys the instructions Jesus created for man. Your tradition destroys them, God's Word does not.

For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ. (Joh 1:17 KJV)

The Law given by Jesus to Moses can not take away sins, it defines sins. Only Christ and His Mercy can take away sins. Again, this scripture does not destroy God's Word, or re-write the Bible.

Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath daysCol 2:16 KJV)

Yes, let ne man judge those who walk as Jesus walked, in the instructions He created before becoming a man.

18 Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,

8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

As Jesus taught, follow Him, not the religious traditions of man that transgress the commandments of God.

If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron? For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law. (Heb 7:11-12 KJV)

The deceivers always purposely omit the rest of this instruction which very plainly explains what Law was changed.

"12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
13 For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.
14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.

So this is speaking specifically about the Priesthood which was given to the Levites. Before Jesus could become our High Priest there had to be a "Change in the Law" because Jesus was from Judah, not a Levite as the Law Commanded. Your attempt to twist this scripture as support for your preaching that Jesus destroyed His Instructions and created different ones is shameful.

But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building; Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us. (Heb 9:11-12 KJV)

This is the New Covenant. The "CHANGE" of the Priesthood. Not the change of God's instructions for mankind and the deceivers preach.

The Priesthood had two primary duties.

#1. to administer God's Instructions. (for under it the people received the law,)

#2. To perform Levitical Priesthood sacrificial and ceremonial "works of the Law" for the remission of sins. Jesus foretold of a time when this "Priesthood" would change.

Jer. 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I (Jesus)will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I (Jesus) will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

No more Levite Priests to administer God's Instructions, Jesus will write them on our hearts.

No more Levite Priests to perform sacrificial "works of the Law" for the remission of sins, Jesus will intervene Himself and with His Blood cleanse our sins.

Nothing even remotely resembling what you are preaching, actually Just the opposite.

 

[Studyman]

Paul taught that Jesus Christ is the end of the Mosaic Law in two respects. First the Law had a function to fulfil in history and then it would be terminated by Jesus Christ.

Second Paul told us the purpose of the Law was to bring people to Christ:

But now

we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.(Rom 7:6 KJV)

We are delivered from the death disobedience cause so we have a clean slate to SERVE in newness of the Spirit (Alive by Grace) and not the oldness of the letter (Dead in our sins)

Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free,

and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.(Gal 5:1 KJV)

We are free from the death our rejection of God and disobedience and disrespect we showed towards Him caused Him. We are to remember why we needed repentance in the first place and not be entangled again in the deception that dishonor and disobedience to God brings.

And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses. (Act 13:39 KJV)

The Law of Justification was the Levitical Priesthood animal sacrifices for the remission of sins. The Jews still preach to this day that it is only by "Works of this Law" of Moses that we can be "justified". But Jesus is the one who justifies with His Blood. The Pharisees didn't believe or teach this truth. Paul did.

Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. (Gal 3:24 KJV)

Again, you don't preach the truth as to what the "Works of the Law" the Jews were trying to "Bewitch the Galatians with were. Very subtle, very clever, but thanks be to Him and His Grace, some of us can see this trick.

Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified. (Gal 2:16 KJV)

Same Levitical Priesthood sacrificial, ceremonial "Works of the Law" that Jesus replaced. Paul teaches there are two laws. The Law of Works, and the Law of Faith. We are judged by one, and the other has been replaced by a new priesthood. Of the Law of Faith that we are judged by Paul says;

Rom. 2:13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

The Law is no more a rule of life than it is a means of righteousness.God has terminated the whole Mosaic Law. It is one unified code (Rom 7:6).

In summery, God has terminated the whole Mosaic Law and wants us to observe nine of the Ten Commandments because they are part of the Law of Christ and has added one more, replacing the 4th commandment, which is to"Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ." (Gal 6:2 KJV) or as is sometimes said to "love one another."

Your summary, like your religion, is based on the doctrines and commandments of man. I'm sure you believe in it, as did those who yelled "crucify Him" to Jesus or those who strap bombs to their kids in support to their religion in the world today.

Jesus Himself contradicts your preaching in many places, I'll just provide one because you are not going to even consider scriptures which expose your doctrine, as the Mainstream Preachers didn't consider the Word of God in their man made religion.

Matt. 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

He hasn't come back yet, so it is a lie to preach ALL has been fulfilled.

 

[Endoscopy]

The law is in force till heaven and earth are no more according to Jesus. Explain how your post fits with this quote from Jesus. Keep in mind that sin is transgression of the law. Our sins are imputed to Jesus when we accept Him as our savior. He paid the penalty by being the unblemished Lamb of God.

Matthew 5:13 to 20 NIV
Jesus saying he came to fulfill the law and the prophets.

Salt and Light
13 “You are the salt of the earth. But if the salt loses its saltiness, how can it be made salty again? It is no longer good for anything, except to be thrown out and trampled underfoot.

14 “You are the light of the world. A town built on a hill cannot be hidden. 15 Neither do people light a lamp and put it under a bowl. Instead they put it on its stand, and it gives light to everyone in the house. 16 In the same way, let your light shine before others, that they may see your good deeds and glorify your Father in heaven.

The Fulfillment of the Law
17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.

 

[Endoscopy]

My above post was supposed to be a reply to Studyman.

 

[Studyman]

yes, "telos" is the word one would use when they describe a trip they are going to take. "destination"

once you reach a destination, do you keep travelling?
do you find yourself still on the way there, after you've arrived?

are we 'always learning but never able to come to a knowledge of the truth' ?
forever keeping a ritual that points to rest, but never entering into it?

sacrifices have ended -- sacrifices the Almighty Himself instituted as unchangeable Law -- because one sacrifice has made them all obsolete.
((or, do you say God never commanded sacrifices? those were purely human-origin?))

what, then?

Again, my problem with your religion is that to follow it I must reject volumes of Scriptures which expose your preaching as from man and not from God.

You preach "sacrifices have ended", but the Bible preaches against you, once again.

Rom. 12:1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

We are to continue to offer sacrifices to God. We just don't take the best of our physical possessions , rather, we offer the best and most precious of our self.

pride, selfishness, greed, rebellion, stubbornness, dishonesty, deceit. All those things we hide and protect from the light because they are our best and most precious thing we have. These are what we take to God to be crucified. As Jesus said:

Luke 14:33
So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple.

Man wants the reward, just isn't willing to count the cost, so they create another way, a "Broad Path" that allows them to keep their most precious possession and still get the immortality. As those who cried Lord, Lord, in Matt. 7, they will find they should have trusted Jesus and not the Pope.

John 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.