GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?

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posthuman

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AS far AS I know Sabbath mean rest, the only rest we can get is in Jesus.

Business man may close his office oN sabbath, but his mind may not rest.

as soon AS one accept Jesus, he get the real rest. He may appear to work, but his mind rest.
Brother I think, you understand this better than most.
 
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The Law made us self righteous, so that prostitutes and sinners entered in before us. Had to become a sinner all over again like the prodigal son, in order to have compassion on sinners and not condemn myself.
Where is that in your bible? That "Had to become a sinner all over again like the prodigal son, in order to have compassion on sinners and not condemn myself" Maybe I don't understand you, please explain.

and the Pharisees did become self righteous about the law, However that has nothing to do with keeping it, Evil people pride themselves in many things, People pride themselves in there new car, houses and even just there looks, but does that make someone's earthly beauty evil on it's on? No, The Jews used the idea that they could keep the law as a sign that they were better then others, However that isn't what the laws for, just to show us were sinning, not to save us from it.


By the cross of Christ, we are above law; by Grace of God, "Sin shall not have dominion over you for you are not under the law but under Grace. To be above the law, to seek first the Kingdom of God, not about honoring a day above another but to continue to appear before God. "Daily pick up your cross and follow me."

But what is sin? 4Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. 5And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. 6Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him. 7Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. 8He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. 9Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 10In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.


So "Sin shall not have dominion over you for you are not under the law" Why? "But under grace" What's grace? To have Salvation from God, to be free from sin, and die to it, God's favor isn't with the wicked, it can only be with people who have overcome, So once you've asked for God forgiveness you've eradicated sin from your life, You no longer are breaking his law, because you love him, However, if you sin, were once again under the law again, "Die Daily" we must daily die in Christ, something Romans 6 was talking about from the beginning.

The law only exist for the unrighteous, but once your saved, your no longer under it's dominion, that doesn't take away the law, we still need it just in case we sin again, Nothing here does away with the law, it only does away with Sin, "Sin shall not have dominion over you" I think that's what we should be worrying about.

It didn't say the law had no dominion over you, But that Sin's gone, so the law has no reason to be in effect.

Why can't we understand this, it's so simple.
 
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Yes, great job at refusing to answer simple question again, thanks.

Jesus is not Levite. Law says Levite Priesthood is throughout all generations. Priesthood is however, changed - and Law along with it.

How can this be?

You say, if Christ nails Law of Sinai Covenant to cross, it is God fighting God, so you call everyone liars and pour curses from your mouth all day.
Now you say, it is not God fighting God if He changes Priesthood.

Why? How is this accomplished?

Jesus is of the order of Melchizedek the priest Abraham met, He was king and priest.
We don't know much about him, but apparently he had no origin or father or mother, He just existed so that Christ be patterned after him, well Jesus existed first sooo technically Melchidzedek was patterned after Christ, very confusing stuff really xD, But anyway the PriestHood for Jesus is different from the one used in the Temple, They couldn't be priest and kings, Only Jesus is allowed to be so.


Hebrews 7

1For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him; 2To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace; 3Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.
4Now consider how great this man was, unto whom even the patriarch Abraham gave the tenth of the spoils. 5And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham: 6But he whose descent is not counted from them received tithes of Abraham, and blessed him that had the promises. 7And without all contradiction the less is blessed of the better. 8And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth. 9And as I may so say, Levi also, who receiveth tithes, payed tithes in Abraham. 10For he was yet in the loins of his father, when Melchisedec met him.


Now the law comes into place



11If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron? 12For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law (Mosaic Law, not the one given on Sinai, remember the priesthood doesn't even appear in the Ten Commandments). 13For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar. 14For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood. 15And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest, 16Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment (Carnal, earthly, once again referring to the Mosaic law, not the one Given by God himself, Unless you consider God carnal?), but after the power of an endless life.
17For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
18For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof. 19For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God. 20And inasmuch as not without an oath he was made priest:
21(For those priests were made without an oath; but this with an oath by him that said unto him, The Lord sware and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec:)
22By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament.
23And they truly were many priests, because they were not suffered to continue by reason of death: 24But this man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood. 25Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.
26For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens; 27Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself. 28For the law maketh men high priests which have infirmity; but the word of the oath, which was since the law, maketh the Son, who is consecrated for evermore.


Let's ask ourselves, Is this speaking of the Law given by God? well if that's the case What did He change? can we now commit adultery? It never mentioned the Sabbath was the thing changed, it could be anything, can we now Kill each other? Can we curse God? No, it's not referring to the Ten, as stated before The priesthood isn't even in Ten Commandments, So let's not even go there...


God used another priesthood, Not saying he got rid of the old, but now the old one is fulfilled, We have Jesus, as the Lamb, the Priest and the Blood to wash away our sins.

The sacrificial system now goes back to what it was made for in the first place, To point to Christ, Type meets antitype, we don't need to Sacrifice lambs now, God carried out the act that it all pointed too, Jesus fulfilled the law
 

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Re: A New Commandment I Give You

you're saying much of Exodus, and practically all of Numbers, Deuteronomy & Leviticus are forgeries?

because these books say all of those commandments referred to as 'the 613' come specifically from the mouth of God, do they not?
My thinking is that the '613' that are at variance with the teaching of Jesus are from another source. Remember there were false prophets in their midst, each prophet representing the LORD.
 

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Don't forget Constantine, the first Catholic preacher, who killed people for keeping God's Sabbath, and the Jews who killed the Prophets for exposing their lawless doctrines.

You claim to honor the first and greatest Commandment, yet you refuse the instruction that explains how to do that. You claim to honor the second greatest Commandment but preach, and falsely so, that the instructions which explain how to do that have been wiped out by Jesus.

The reality is that there are people who have listened to God and obeyed Him. It just goes against your religious agenda to talk about them.
I follow Jesus and Him alone, shut it with your nonsense.
 
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Yes, thank you for not answering simple question again.

So tzitzit, command from God or from man?

Law or not?

Go to hell for not wearing or not?

So I don't know much about this to be honest, However from what I found on this

Numbers 15

37And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, 38Speak unto the children of Israel, and bid them that they make them fringes in the borders of their garments throughout their generations, and that they put upon the fringe of the borders a ribband of blue: 39And it shall be unto you for a fringe, that ye may look upon it, and remember all the commandments of the LORD, and do them; and that ye seek not after your own heart and your own eyes, after which ye use to go a whoring: 40That ye may remember, and do all my commandments, and be holy unto your God. 41I am the LORD your God, which brought you out of the land of Egypt, to be your God: I am the LORD your God.

So he "bid" them to do it, Not commanded, But that being said it's something that needs to be study, and let's be honest something we all need to understand better.

It comes from God, however it's purpose was just so we could remind ourselves to keep the law, Now we have Jesus, we should know "Don't commit adultery" Not because the law said so, But Because we love God so much we wouldn't want to hurt him by doing such a thing.

Not something I really can explain, so for now let's leave it alone until further study, we should all admit when we don't know the answer instead of making excuses, I really don't know the full answer, I can only give some of my ideas, or what I figure,

Sorry

Godbless
 

Shamah

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Thanks brother, I learn from my hard life experience . Only Jesus give me the real rest, nothing else, all are empty but Jesus
This is true, however any that claim to have already entered this rest Yahshua/Jesus offers has made their own rest, as Scripture is clear:

Mat 11:27-30, "All things have been delivered to Me by My Father. And no one fully knows the Son except the Father, neither does anyone fully know the Father, except the Son and those whom YHWH wills the Son to reveal. Come to Me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you, and learn of Me; for I am meek and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For My yoke is easy and My burden is light"

Revelation 14:13, "And I heard a voice from heaven saying to me: Write: Blessed are the dead, the ones dying in the Messiah from now on! Yes, says the Spirit: because they will rest from their labors, and their works do follow them!"

Mat 11:27-30, "All things have been delivered to Me by My Father. And no one fully knows the Son except the Father, neither does anyone fully know the Father, except the Son and those whom YHWH wills the Son to reveal. Come to Me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you, and learn of Me; for I am meek and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For My yoke is easy and My burden is light"

Jeremiah 6:16-17, “Thus said יהוה, “Stand in the ways and see, and ask for the old paths, where the good way is, and walk in it; and find rest for yourselves.” But they said, We do not walk in it.’ “And I raised up watchmen over you, and said, ‘Listen to a voice of the trumpet!’ But they said, ‘We do not listen.’
 

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God is not a Levite. But again, it’s not my fault you can’t understand that. Jesus told you through Jeremiah what He would do, but you destroyed that Jesus and created another one more suitable to your fleshy needs. If you didn’t know that would be one thing. But you know full well.
Hi friend...I believe the whole problem of Commandment-keeping INCL Sabbath can be pinned down to the fact that trad christians do NOT worship/follow/obey the LORD OF THE SABBATH....they indeed worship a jesus who is an IMPOSTER and false christ from Rome whom the REAL Yashua warned against Mat 24...his lawlessness is obvious to a blind man...and when the blind follow the blind we know what happens....will happen !
 

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This is true, however any that claim to have already entered this rest Yahshua/Jesus offers has made their own rest, as Scripture is clear:

Mat 11:27-30, "All things have been delivered to Me by My Father. And no one fully knows the Son except the Father, neither does anyone fully know the Father, except the Son and those whom YHWH wills the Son to reveal. Come to Me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you, and learn of Me; for I am meek and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For My yoke is easy and My burden is light"

Revelation 14:13, "And I heard a voice from heaven saying to me: Write: Blessed are the dead, the ones dying in the Messiah from now on! Yes, says the Spirit: because they will rest from their labors, and their works do follow them!"

Mat 11:27-30, "All things have been delivered to Me by My Father. And no one fully knows the Son except the Father, neither does anyone fully know the Father, except the Son and those whom YHWH wills the Son to reveal. Come to Me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you, and learn of Me; for I am meek and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For My yoke is easy and My burden is light"

Jeremiah 6:16-17, “Thus said יהוה, “Stand in the ways and see, and ask for the old paths, where the good way is, and walk in it; and find rest for yourselves.” But they said, We do not walk in it.’ “And I raised up watchmen over you, and said, ‘Listen to a voice of the trumpet!’ But they said, ‘We do not listen.’
Yep only Jesus is rest giver. He promise to give a rest to who ever come to Him
 

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My thinking is that the '613' that are at variance with the teaching of Jesus are from another source. Remember there were false prophets in their midst, each prophet representing the LORD.
They are all listed with reference to where they are found in the books of Moses. They are each and every one, written that God told Moses to give these commands to Israel - which are at variance?
 

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They are all listed with reference to where they are found in the books of Moses. They are each and every one, written that God told Moses to give these commands to Israel - which are at variance?
487 Save someone being pursued even by taking the life of the pursuer — Deut. 25:12

488 Not to pity the pursuer — Num. 35:12

545 The courts must carry out the death penalty of stoning — Deut. 22:24

546 The courts must carry out the death penalty of burning — Lev. 20:14

547 The courts must carry out the death penalty of the sword — Ex. 21:20

548 The courts must carry out the death penalty of strangulation — Lev. 20:10

549 The courts must hang those stoned for blasphemy or idolatry — Deut. 21:22

550 Bury the executed on the day they are killed — Deut. 21:23

555 The court must not kill anybody on circumstantial evidence — Ex. 23:7

51 Not to bow down before a smooth stone — Lev. 26:1 (Idolotry)

189 Not to benefit from an ox condemned to be stoned — Ex. 21:2 (Cruelty)

008 Not to destroy objects associated with His Name — Deut. 12:4 (Idolotry)

596 Destroy the seven Canaanite nations — Deut. 20:17

597 Not to let any of them remain alive — Deut. 20:16

598 Wipe out the descendants of Amalek — Deut. 25:19

599 Remember what Amalek did to the Jewish people — Deut. 25:17

600 Not to forget Amalek's atrocities and ambush on our journey from Egypt in the desert — Deut. 25:19

603 Not to offer peace to Ammon and Moab while besieging them — Deut. 23:7

They were about to stone the woman caught in adultery. Jesus intervened and saved her life. What do you think Jesus would make of these?
 

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Some laws are eternal.
Psa 119:44 So shall I keep thy law continually for ever and ever. Mat_5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Jas 1:25 But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.
Jas_2:12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
1Jn_5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
Rev_12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. Rev_14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.







Some were introduced because of sin.
Gal 3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator. Gal_3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
Dan 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.



Knowing the difference is important
 

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10 commandments = 10
not 600 or 11 or 9
God wrote 10 commandments on stone the other laws were written by Moses, Its easy to see that they are different laws. Laws give order to the universe, there are laws in nature and God set them up because he is a God of order. The moral laws that keep our planet in order are set in stone and are here to stay. On the Earth made new i don't think we will be stealing, having other Gods, i don't think we'll be coveting. And when it comes to the other laws that were added, like sacrifices, and the laws about punishing the guilty, where or why will they be needed in the new earth with no sin?
I think you understand what i'm saying, some laws were added and can be done away with, but the moral law is eternal.
 

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It is written, Christ, His Word, HIS Laws are to be in our hearts, mouths, minds and hands that we do it.

The LORD our GOD will circumcise our hearts; the circumcision made without hands through HIS Spirit. For it is HE that works in us to will and do HIS good pleasure. Not that our sufficiency is of ourselves but our sufficiency is of GOD. Not us but Christ! For we are dead nevertheless we live yet not us but Christ liveth in us and the life we now live we live by the Faith of the Son of God who gave Himself for us. For the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ (the Word; the Book of the Law) down from above:) Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ (the Word; the Book of the Law) again from the dead.) But what saith it? The word (Christ; the Book of the Law) is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach.

For Christ (the Word; the Book of the Law in our mouths and in our hearts) is the end of the written law for righteousness to everyone that believeth that it is in their hearts, minds, mouths and in their hands that they do it. That is the Faith to which we speak and that my friend is the GOSPEL; the New Covenant. For the LORD will circumcise our hearts. The circumcision made without hands. The circumcision of Christ!
It is not sugar coated it is sweet the whole way through. It is the Gospel; the New Covenant. The ministry of reconciliation The Life Death and Resurrection is the means to the Gospel not the Gospel.
1 Corinthians 15:1 - Moreover, brethren, I declare to you the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received and in which you stand, 2 by which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which I preached to you--unless you believed in vain. 3 For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures. The Gospel is not a set of rituals to perform, a code of laws or statutes to be obeyed or a check list of good works to accomplish as a prerequisite for salvation.
No it is not. Salvation; which is the Gospel, the Kingdom of GOD; the Body of Christ. Is unity with the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.
Believing in the Life, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ is the means to which to obtain this salvation which is the Gospel; the New Covenant.

I gather you wish to speak on 1 Corinthians now? Ok; shall we start in Chapter one of the letter to get the overall context?
 

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My thinking is that the '613' that are at variance with the teaching of Jesus are from another source.
No... not all the man made list, which is 613 Mitzvah are an interpretation of the word of GOD; at variance with the teachings of Christ. Some are GOD's laws; HIS Word and are part of who Christ is, because He is the Word manifested in the flesh. Therefore they are part of us. Because Christ in us is the Hope of Glory; GOD.
 

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Law shows us our sin.
We repent and ask Jesus to forgive, by faith in His blood.
We walk in the light as He directs us.

law points us to Jesus and Jesus points us to the law, and we move forward by grace and faith.
The law is not an enemy of grace.

Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
Rom 7:8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.
Rom 7:9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
Rom 7:10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.
Rom 7:11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.
Rom 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
Rom 7:13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.

Rom 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Rom 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
Rom 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
Rom 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
 

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No... not all the man made list, which is 613 Mitzvah are an interpretation of the word of GOD; at variance with the teachings of Christ. Some are GOD's laws; HIS Word and are part of who Christ is, because He is the Word manifested in the flesh. Therefore they are part of us. Because Christ in us is the Hope of Glory; GOD.
What do the 10 commandments excluding the 4th commandment, not cover please?
 

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Some laws are eternal.
Psa 119:44 So shall I keep thy law continually for ever and ever. Mat_5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Jas 1:25 But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.
Jas_2:12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
1Jn_5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
Rev_12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. Rev_14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.







Some were introduced because of sin.
Gal 3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator. Gal_3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
Dan 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.



Knowing the difference is important
we have to pay attention on the word
till all be fulfilled.

that mean not forever,

but I believe love is forever. God love now and when we in heaven, he love us forever