GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?

MarcR · Mar 24, 2018

Dan,

Rambam is an affectionate reference to Moses Maiomonides, a thirteenth century Rabbi and Talmudic Scholar.

LoveGodForever · Mar 24, 2018

INDEED hey LB, happy SABBATH to you! Mine is soon to CLOSE had a wonderful REST in OUR LORD as I hope you do as well in yours.

lightbearer · Mar 24, 2018

PS said:

No one is able to keep the Sabbath without experiencing the Gospel's Rest in Christ from GOD.

Incidentally in relation to the two days, most people have off Sunday not Saturday in the US.

Amen! And this can only be done through Christ's Rest through the Gospel of GOD.

No mention of Sunday worship or a mandate to worship on Sunday. To assert that there is; is to add what is not there. It is to make one's self like the Most HIGH.

Nothing in Scripture supports what you assert.To say that there is; is to add what is not there. It is to make one's self like the Most HIGH.

LoveGodForever · Mar 24, 2018

Are you following a FALSE GOSPEL...

ARE YOU BEING TAUGHT TO BELIEVE A LIE?

Let's start at John and at the beginning of Genesis 3

Let's start here with the father of lies......

John 8
44, Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: FOR HE IS A LIAR AND THE FATHER OF IT.

The Devil is the Father of LIES those that do not FOLLOW God follow their Father the devil and the deeds of their father they will do.

links to...........

1 John 2
3, And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4, He that saith, I KNOW HIM, and KEEPS NOT HIS COMMANDMENTS, is a LIAR, AND THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HIM

links to...........

1 John 3
4, Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
5, And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
6, Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
7, Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
8, He that committeth sin is of the devil; (the father of lies and the deeds of their father they will do)

The father of lies from the begining. Let's go to the beginning will look at separate meanings and types....

Genesis 3
1, Now the SEPENT <Satan Rev 12:9> was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the WOMEN <Church good or bad; Jeremiah 6:2; 2 Corinthians 11:2; Ephesians 5:23-27; Isaiah 1:21-27; Jeremiah 3:1-3; 6-9; Ezk 16:15-58; 23:2-21; Hos. 2:5; 3:1; Rev. 14:4>, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

2, And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the FRUIT of the trees of the garden: <FRUIT of OBEDIENCE (James 2:18; 20; 26; Matthew 7:12-23; Jon 15:1-10)

3, But of the FRUIT of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, LEST YOU DIE <God's LAW; represents God's 10 commandments which gives the KNOWLEDGE of SIN and RIGHTEUSNESS; Good and Evil; Romans 3:20; 7:7; James 2:11; 1 John 3:4; Ps 119:172; but makes nothing perfect>.

4, And the serpent said unto the woman, YOU SHALL NOT SURELY DIE:< The first LIE from the beginning; John 8:44)

5, For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, KNOWING GOOD AND EVIL. < Prior to DIOBEYING God Mankind DID NOT KNOW what EVIL (SIN) was because they were in HARMONY and OBEDIENT to God's WORD>

6, And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

7, And THE EYES OF THEM WERE OPENED, AND THEY KNEW THAT THEY WERE NAKED; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons. <God's LAW is the KNOWLEDGE of SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS; When they SINNED they now had the KNOWLEDGE of both GOOD and EVIL; Romans 3:20; 7:7; James 2:11; 1 John 3:4; Ps 119:172; The saw that they were naked and tried to cover themselves with figleaves; SIN took away their RIGHTEOUSNESS and now they are guilty before God in SIN; NAKED before God in SIN trying to cover themselves with figleaves (flithy rags) Isaiah 63:6; Righteousness to cover our nakedness only from God; Luke 15:22; If we SIN we lose it; Romans 3:19 >

8, And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden.

9, And the LORD God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou?
10, And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself.
11, And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?

Key points and putting it all together..........

The Serpent and father of LIES is the Devil he lied to MANKIND from the beginning. God's Commandment to Adam and Eve was NOT to eat of the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL (SIN AND RIGHTESOUNESS) lest you DIE.

Adam and Eve did not have the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL (SIN AND RIGHTESOUNESS) because they had NEVER SINNED and where in HARMONY with God in OBEDIENCE to HIS WORD.

THE TREE OF THE KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND EVIL REPRESENTS GOD's Commandments. The TAKING THE FRUIT symbolizes BREAKING the TREE and DISOBEYING God's Commandment.

God says do not eat of the fruit, lest you DIE. By eating the fruit Adam and Eve chose NOT TO BELIEVE GOD and to BELIEVE the serpent. (UNBELIEF in GOD's WORD)

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THIS IS A WARNING FOR US TODAY. THE same LIE told to ADAM and EVE is being repeated in the mainstream Churches of today.

SIN is the transgression of GOD'S LAW and if anyone CONTINUES in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN; God's WORD says they will DIE and not ENTER THE KINGDOM of HEAVEN because they have rejected the GIFT of God's dear son (Romans 6:23; Hebrews 10:26-27; 6:4-8; Matthew 7:12-23)

It is only by partaking of the TREE of LIFE (BELIEVING AND FOLLOWING God's Word by LOVE) through FAITH that Gods FRUITS of OBEDIENCE are seen in the life of God's true people (1 John 3:3-10; Revelation 12:17; 14:12; 22:14) and is why Jesus says if you LOVE me keep my commandments ( John 14:15; 15:10)

If you break God's Commandments just like in the days of Adam and EVE you commit SIN (Romans 7:7; James 2:9-11; 1 John 3:4)

Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will surely die and will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

Jackson123 · Mar 24, 2018

LoveGodForever said:

Not that I can not answer your question dear, but I have experience with your post. Long and inconsistent, just ask me 5 sentence question, if it is biblical I am going to answer the fact is when I read one of your link, I founded you change the verse
remember col 2:14 blotting the handwriting ordinance, you change to blotting Moses handwriting ordinance

you keep saying the word never pass than when I askwhy you not kill sabbath violator, you said :you spcall for love. And Gog call Jews for hate?
With that kind of argument, why you accuse other do not know OT, you demonstrate not knowing OT

because Ellen blind your eyes dear. If you want, ask no more then 5 senten, I will show you that your believe system is not biblical

lightbearer · Mar 24, 2018

LoveGodForever said:

Thank you brother!

It is a beautiful thing to experience the Gospel Rest in Jesus Seven days a week; twenty four hours a day. And through the Gospel rest enter into the Day GOD Hallowed (set apart) and blessed.

All are to partake. For he that is entered into his Rest (the Gospel), he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

GOD is good!

beta · Mar 24, 2018

Studyman said:

Absolutely true...their hatred is the Word of God but We who speak His Word are a convenient Target !
We are honoured to be thus reviled as HE was !

beta · Mar 24, 2018

Jackson123 said:

Exactly...then why do you keep 'harping on about it ???
WE don't go about killing anyone in the new Covenant...GOD will take care of violators Heb 10v30....and they shall not escape judgement and punishment. You are WASTING precious time when you are REFUSING correction !!!

PS · Mar 24, 2018

lightbearer said:

Another who does not understand what is being said.

Let me try again. Most people get two days off work per week. They are a rest from work. The believer will keep one of those days holy, thereby fulfilling scripture.

I will try to limit my posts to one or two sentences using words of 1 syllable if possible. These Bronze Age people need to catch up with the NEW God given covenant.

lightbearer · Mar 24, 2018

Jackson123 said:

That is a bad translation. It is of satan the deceiver.

The text should read, "Blotting out the handwriting to the ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross"

It is the blotting out to the ordinances not "blotting the handwriting ordinance".

The clause "the handwriting to the ordindinces" would mean those handwritings that went with the ordinances; not the ordinances themselves but the handwriting that was to them.

beta · Mar 24, 2018

PS said:

HOW are you fulfilling scripture by observing sunday or any day ? WHERE is God's instruction ?

lightbearer · Mar 24, 2018

PS said:

No mention of Sunday worship or a mandate to worship on Sunday. To assert that there is; is to add what is not there. It is to make one's self like the Most HIGH.

Nothing in Scripture supports what you assert.To say that there is; is to add what is not there. It is to make one's self like the Most HIGH.

PS · Mar 24, 2018

lightbearer said:

Colossians 2:14
(BBE) Having put an end to the handwriting of the law which was against us, taking it out of the way by nailing it to his cross;

(Bishops) And puttyng out the hande writing of ordinaunces, that was agaynst vs, and that hath he taken out of the way, fastenyng it to his crosse:

(CEV) God wiped out the charges that were against us for disobeying the Law of Moses. He took them away and nailed them to the cross.

(ERV) Because we broke God's laws, we owed a debt—a debt that listed all the rules we failed to follow. But God forgave us of that debt. He took it away and nailed it to the cross.

(ESV) by canceling the record of debt that stood against us with its legal demands. This he set aside, nailing it to the cross.

(ESV+) by R3canceling R4the record of debt that stood against us with its legal demands. This he set aside, nailing it to the cross.

(GNB) he canceled the unfavorable record of our debts with its binding rules and did away with it completely by nailing it to the cross.

(HRB) and, by his mandates, he cancelled the legal contract of our sins, which existed against us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to His torture stake.

(ISV) having erased the charges that were brought against us, along with their obligations that were hostile to us. He took those charges away when he nailed them to the cross.

(KJV) Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

(KJV+) Blotting outG1813 theG3588 handwritingG5498 of ordinancesG1378 that was againstG2596 us,G2257 whichG3739 wasG2258 contraryG5227 to us,G2254 andG2532 tookG142 itG846 out ofG1537 theG3588 way,G3319 nailingG4338 itG846 to his cross;G4716

(KJV-1611) Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances, that was against vs, which was contrary to vs, and tooke it out of the way, nayling it to his Crosse:

(LEB) having destroyed the certificate of indebtedness in ordinances against us, which was hostile to us, and removed it out of the way by nailing it to the cross.

(MKJV) blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and has taken it out of the way, nailing it to the cross.

(RV) having blotted out the bond written in ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us: and he hath taken it out of the way, nailing it to the cross;

(Webster) Blotting out the hand-writing of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

(YLT) having blotted out the handwriting in the ordinances that is against us, that was contrary to us, and he hath taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross;

PS · Mar 24, 2018

lightbearer said:

No mention is made in scripture of Saturday worship.

Like inserting the word 'the' into Holy text.

lightbearer · Mar 24, 2018

PS said:

Your right but we are called to cease from our own works as GOD did from HIS on the Seventh Day; Sabbath Day. That would be from Friday sundown to Saturday sundown.

When one experiences the Gospel rest they cease from their own work as GOD did from HIS. "As is" is a direct comparison. GOD was not ever a non Spiritual BEING as we are outside of Christ. For GOD is Spirit. So HE did not enter into some spiritual rest; HE is our rest in Christ Jesus.. Hebrews four is a call to those experiencing the Gospel to cease from their own work as GOD did from His.

And that was done on the Seventh Day; Sabbath Day. That would be from Friday sundown to Saturday sundown.

I would assume you are referring to Col 2:14.

The Greek says, "cheirographon (Handwriting) tois (to the) dogmasin (ordinances)"

The definite article “tois” would translate to the English word "to the" as shown above.

So one can easily see it is the Handwriting to the ordinances due to the definite article "the".

Jackson123 · Mar 24, 2018

beta said:

Beta,

i am keep asking King that question to remind our brother and sister who keep quote a verse that say: not small part of the word will pass.

I agree that that all the word of God never pass, but it doesn't mean we have to do all the word of God. That is why I ask that question to give example that though not pass, old Covenant is not design for us.

10 commandment is design for Israel before crucifixion.

Now or we are under New Covenant

is that mean robbery ok, no. Under New Covenant we have to love our neighbors, and we not rob our love one

Yes we are not stealing, but not because we are under 10 C, but because we are under New Covenant or under love.

we not steal not because afraid go to jail, we are not steal because of love. This is new Covenant. Inner beauty. Doing good not because afraid of punishment, but because Jesus in our heart produce a good fruit.

we are a brand and Jesus is the vine.

Jesus say, come to me ye who labour and heavy laden, I will give you rest/sabbath.

This is is the kind of sabbath under New Covenant, real sabbath because Jesus in us.

inner sabbath, pure rest. The best rest, the highest quality of rest.

lightbearer · Mar 24, 2018

beta said:

Amen Beta!

Jackson123 · Mar 24, 2018

lightbearer said:

thanks for your input dear, would you give example of the handwriting to the ordinance? Is that a verse in the Bible?

if it is in the Bible, than it is also from the Lord isn't it?

PS · Mar 24, 2018

lightbearer said:

Blotting out the handwriting that recorded our offences means they were scrubbed out, eradicated, done away with, do not exist, so therefore can never be remembered against us anymore, because they are lost, forgotten, and gone into the sea of His forgetfulness.

Saturday is simply a Jewish custom, based on the Jewish calendar which is erroneous.

lightbearer · Mar 24, 2018

Jackson123 said:

The word for Sabbath is not in that text. The rest Jesus gives us is the Gospel rest. This we have through HIS Spirit residing in us. Because we now are experiencing the Gospel we cease from our own works as GOD did from His. GOD is Spirit HE did not enter into a spiritual rest. HE is our Spiritual Rest. GOD on the Seventh Day ceased from work. So we through Christ also cease from work as GOD did on the Seventh Day, which is the Sabbath.

GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?

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