GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?
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He continued beyond your quote stating the law will be in force till heaven and earth disappear. When we say we sin we are acknowledging the law is in place since sin is breaking that law.
Matthew 5:13 to 20 NIV
Jesus saying he came to fulfill the law and the prophets.
Salt and Light
13 “You are the salt of the earth. But if the salt loses its saltiness, how can it be made salty again? It is no longer good for anything, except to be thrown out and trampled underfoot.
14 “You are the light of the world. A town built on a hill cannot be hidden. 15 Neither do people light a lamp and put it under a bowl. Instead they put it on its stand, and it gives light to everyone in the house. 16 In the same way, let your light shine before others, that they may see your good deeds and glorify your Father in heaven.
The Fulfillment of the Law
17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.
Matthew 5:13 to 20 NIV
Jesus saying he came to fulfill the law and the prophets.
Salt and Light
13 “You are the salt of the earth. But if the salt loses its saltiness, how can it be made salty again? It is no longer good for anything, except to be thrown out and trampled underfoot.
14 “You are the light of the world. A town built on a hill cannot be hidden. 15 Neither do people light a lamp and put it under a bowl. Instead they put it on its stand, and it gives light to everyone in the house. 16 In the same way, let your light shine before others, that they may see your good deeds and glorify your Father in heaven.
The Fulfillment of the Law
17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.
I was pointing out the difference between God's laws never contradicting and the mess man makes. Try again with foolish responses. Each level in man's laws contradicts other laws at the same level. That was the superintendent of schools dilemma There are several agencies at each level with laws creating them having contradictory laws. This is a man made mess!!!
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I don't believe the word "fulfill" and the Word "destroy" mean the same thing. For some unknown reason you, and many others seem to believe that Jesus, "fulfilling" the Law and Prophets means He erased them, or made void the Word's contained in them.
The Greek for this word doesn't suggest that. I hope you can understand that God's Word through the Levite Priests had been completely corrupted, centered around a priesthood which sold sacrifices for profit. Jesus came and showed the world what a person who follows God's Instructions look like. He is the Author of my Faith. He "fulfilled" the Law and showed once and for all how to "walk in it".
His life reflected God's Will for man. His Life exposed the mainstream preachers of His time as corrupt. His people were lost PS. They had been deceived by a priesthood that rejected God's Commandments and created their own. He came to show them how to receive God's Truth. What choices to make. He didn't just "SAY" it, He lived it. He fulfilled it.
And He gave us the same instruction. "Be perfect even as your Father in Heaven is perfect" "Go and sin no more" we are to "Walk even as He Walked".
Religious man says this is impossible. Like a small boy David killing a seasoned warrior Goliath with a slingshot. Like going and possessing a land with giants as Caleb believed. Like a man willing to sacrifice his own son in obedience to God like Abraham.
Like Sampson and Rehab. Like 300 men winning a war against thousands.
Heb. 12:1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,
2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.
3 For consider him that endured such contradiction of sinners against himself, lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds.
Duet. 30:19 I (The Word which became Flesh) call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:
20 That thou mayest love the LORD thy God, and that thou mayest obey his voice, and that thou mayest cleave unto him: for he is thy life, and the length of thy days: that thou mayest dwell in the land which the LORD sware unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give them.
The Messiah said: Luke 9:23 And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me.
This is the "race" Paul speaks of. A Journey as sojourners in a strange land. And Jesus tells us and shows us how to make this journey.
John 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
I know there will be forces trying to get me to "not believe" as the Serpent did to Eve. But I have His Word's to guide me, and His Spirit to show me truth.
I already know religious men will try to discourage me as they did Caleb.
I already know there will be the Decons, and the EG's and G9's and Greenp's and the TT, and the MMd's who will try to convince me God doesn't know what He is doing. That it is impossible to do as the Messiah instructs. It's all there in His Word, all I have to do is "Believe in Him" and have FAITH that He will do what He said He would do.
As He said "I came not to destroy His Fathers Word" but to fulfill it.
Ex. 20:6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
The Greek for this word doesn't suggest that. I hope you can understand that God's Word through the Levite Priests had been completely corrupted, centered around a priesthood which sold sacrifices for profit. Jesus came and showed the world what a person who follows God's Instructions look like. He is the Author of my Faith. He "fulfilled" the Law and showed once and for all how to "walk in it".
His life reflected God's Will for man. His Life exposed the mainstream preachers of His time as corrupt. His people were lost PS. They had been deceived by a priesthood that rejected God's Commandments and created their own. He came to show them how to receive God's Truth. What choices to make. He didn't just "SAY" it, He lived it. He fulfilled it.
And He gave us the same instruction. "Be perfect even as your Father in Heaven is perfect" "Go and sin no more" we are to "Walk even as He Walked".
Religious man says this is impossible. Like a small boy David killing a seasoned warrior Goliath with a slingshot. Like going and possessing a land with giants as Caleb believed. Like a man willing to sacrifice his own son in obedience to God like Abraham.
Like Sampson and Rehab. Like 300 men winning a war against thousands.
Heb. 12:1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,
2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.
3 For consider him that endured such contradiction of sinners against himself, lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds.
Duet. 30:19 I (The Word which became Flesh) call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:
20 That thou mayest love the LORD thy God, and that thou mayest obey his voice, and that thou mayest cleave unto him: for he is thy life, and the length of thy days: that thou mayest dwell in the land which the LORD sware unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give them.
The Messiah said: Luke 9:23 And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me.
This is the "race" Paul speaks of. A Journey as sojourners in a strange land. And Jesus tells us and shows us how to make this journey.
John 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
I know there will be forces trying to get me to "not believe" as the Serpent did to Eve. But I have His Word's to guide me, and His Spirit to show me truth.
I already know religious men will try to discourage me as they did Caleb.
I already know there will be the Decons, and the EG's and G9's and Greenp's and the TT, and the MMd's who will try to convince me God doesn't know what He is doing. That it is impossible to do as the Messiah instructs. It's all there in His Word, all I have to do is "Believe in Him" and have FAITH that He will do what He said He would do.
As He said "I came not to destroy His Fathers Word" but to fulfill it.
Ex. 20:6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
better example is the constitution.
the constitution is the main law of the land, anything that conflicts with it is unconstitutional.
same with the bible, the bible is the supreme law of God, any law man makes in conflict with it are hearsay.
and the fed makes unconstitutional laws all the time, that is the reason we have a constitution, the original binding document of the land to protect the people. it is the same way with Gods word.
the constitution is the main law of the land, anything that conflicts with it is unconstitutional.
same with the bible, the bible is the supreme law of God, any law man makes in conflict with it are hearsay.
and the fed makes unconstitutional laws all the time, that is the reason we have a constitution, the original binding document of the land to protect the people. it is the same way with Gods word.
Jesus plainly stated he came not to break the law and the prophets but to fulfill them. That scripture has been posted here several times.
PS: The 300 were 7,000 to start with. 300 Spartans plus other Greeks. The other Greeks were upset that the Spartans refused to let the others take a turn at defending the pass. There were Greeks posted to defend the mountain trail. The Spartans and others thought they were defended from the rear. They were betrayed by those defending the trail. The Spartans thought they could defend the pass so they let many of the others leave. The mistake the Spartans made was advancing beyond the fence at the narrow point of the pass. That left them vulnerable. It was never a suicide mission. Somehow this part of history gets ignored and a fairy tale replaced it.
PS: The 300 were 7,000 to start with. 300 Spartans plus other Greeks. The other Greeks were upset that the Spartans refused to let the others take a turn at defending the pass. There were Greeks posted to defend the mountain trail. The Spartans and others thought they were defended from the rear. They were betrayed by those defending the trail. The Spartans thought they could defend the pass so they let many of the others leave. The mistake the Spartans made was advancing beyond the fence at the narrow point of the pass. That left them vulnerable. It was never a suicide mission. Somehow this part of history gets ignored and a fairy tale replaced it.
That is extremely hate filled. Extrapolating that flawed view of history being a fairy tale is saying I view the Bible the same way. You must be filled with hate to make that assertion on a Christian site. Bow your head in shame.
I have often posted the fact that archaeological digs when completed verify the 100% accurate description of history in the Bible especially Genesis. Then you accuse me of saying I think the Bible is a fairy tale. You are disgraceful!!
With your post I wonder if you are really a Christian. That isn't how Christians are to act and talk.
I have often posted the fact that archaeological digs when completed verify the 100% accurate description of history in the Bible especially Genesis. Then you accuse me of saying I think the Bible is a fairy tale. You are disgraceful!!
With your post I wonder if you are really a Christian. That isn't how Christians are to act and talk.
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In Matthew 5:17-20 Jesus places the Law alongside the Prophets as finding fulfilment in him. To fulfil is to bring about that to which Scripture pointed, and that is what Jesus has now done. But the fulfilment of the law does not mean its abolition; it remains wholly authoritative and demands the fullest respect of the disciple (18-19).
The question remains, however, how its function for the disciple is affected by its fulfilment in Jesus, and verse 20 indicates that the meticulous legalism of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law is inadequate in the new context of the kingdom of heaven. Some higher approach is needed, and that is what vs 21-47 go on to spell out, by showing how Jesus’ demand surpasses that of current ethical teaching based on the OT law. It does this not by being more scrupulous in literal observance but by penetrating to the true will of God enshrined in the law.
Thus in the first two examples (21-30) a mere literal avoidance of murder and adultery does not get to the heart of the problem. Underlying these outward acts are the fundamental attitudes of hatred and lust. Where the heart is not right, drastic action is needed to correct it before it results in outward sin.
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This is why 37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
So my interpretation is that the collection sticks on the Sabbath, and not lighting fires for example, pale into insignificance when compared with the positive actions that bring comfort, help, aid, and succour to others, which is what Jesus did. In other words the new law fulfils the old law by replacing it with something much better and Jesus leads us by example.
The question remains, however, how its function for the disciple is affected by its fulfilment in Jesus, and verse 20 indicates that the meticulous legalism of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law is inadequate in the new context of the kingdom of heaven. Some higher approach is needed, and that is what vs 21-47 go on to spell out, by showing how Jesus’ demand surpasses that of current ethical teaching based on the OT law. It does this not by being more scrupulous in literal observance but by penetrating to the true will of God enshrined in the law.
Thus in the first two examples (21-30) a mere literal avoidance of murder and adultery does not get to the heart of the problem. Underlying these outward acts are the fundamental attitudes of hatred and lust. Where the heart is not right, drastic action is needed to correct it before it results in outward sin.
(New Bible Commentary)
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This is why 37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
So my interpretation is that the collection sticks on the Sabbath, and not lighting fires for example, pale into insignificance when compared with the positive actions that bring comfort, help, aid, and succour to others, which is what Jesus did. In other words the new law fulfils the old law by replacing it with something much better and Jesus leads us by example.
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it was need animal sacrifice for erase the sin, after Jesus fulfill, don't need anymore.
congregation was need to stonedsabbath violator, after Jesus fulfill, don't need anymore, why? It no need weekly sabbath anymore
it was need weekly sabbath as a shadow of the real sabbath, after Jesus fulfill, simply come to Jesus and you get rest/sabbath.
congregation was need to stonedsabbath violator, after Jesus fulfill, don't need anymore, why? It no need weekly sabbath anymore
it was need weekly sabbath as a shadow of the real sabbath, after Jesus fulfill, simply come to Jesus and you get rest/sabbath.
Now Now Endo,
You replied to a post and completely ignored it's context. You made the following comment:
"He came not to break the Law"? Completely changes the meaning of the scripture, so I called you out on it. How is that "hate"?
I was giving examples of Faith, "Like 300 men winning a war against thousands."
And you post some history lesson, seemingly down playing the Bibles account, ending with this;
I can only go by your words.
You replied to a post and completely ignored it's context. You made the following comment:
"He came not to break the Law"? Completely changes the meaning of the scripture, so I called you out on it. How is that "hate"?
I was giving examples of Faith, "Like 300 men winning a war against thousands."
And you post some history lesson, seemingly down playing the Bibles account, ending with this;
I can only go by your words.
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]the Sabbath looks forward to, that none have yet entered into is this:[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Revelation 14:13, "And I heard a voice from heaven saying to me: Write: Blessed are the dead, the ones dying in the Messiah from now on! Yes, says the Spirit: because they will rest from their labors, and their works do follow them!"[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Revelation 14:13, "And I heard a voice from heaven saying to me: Write: Blessed are the dead, the ones dying in the Messiah from now on! Yes, says the Spirit: because they will rest from their labors, and their works do follow them!"[/FONT]
Try again this time with truth. I have posted the following several times.
Matthew 5:13 to 20 NIV
Jesus saying he came to fulfill the law and the prophets.
Salt and Light
13 “You are the salt of the earth. But if the salt loses its saltiness, how can it be made salty again? It is no longer good for anything, except to be thrown out and trampled underfoot.
14 “You are the light of the world. A town built on a hill cannot be hidden. 15 Neither do people light a lamp and put it under a bowl. Instead they put it on its stand, and it gives light to everyone in the house. 16 In the same way, let your light shine before others, that they may see your good deeds and glorify your Father in heaven.
The Fulfillment of the Law
17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.
Matthew 5:13 to 20 NIV
Jesus saying he came to fulfill the law and the prophets.
Salt and Light
13 “You are the salt of the earth. But if the salt loses its saltiness, how can it be made salty again? It is no longer good for anything, except to be thrown out and trampled underfoot.
14 “You are the light of the world. A town built on a hill cannot be hidden. 15 Neither do people light a lamp and put it under a bowl. Instead they put it on its stand, and it gives light to everyone in the house. 16 In the same way, let your light shine before others, that they may see your good deeds and glorify your Father in heaven.
The Fulfillment of the Law
17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.
You ignored what I posted above the fairy tale about the 300. You didn't go by my words!!!
I then posted the 300 account to show the difference between Biblical history and the world's history getting mangled for some reason beyond me. Then you made the HATE FILLED ACCUSATION I CONSIDERED THE BIBLE AS A FAIRY TALE.
Makes me wonder if you are a Christian !!
I then posted the 300 account to show the difference between Biblical history and the world's history getting mangled for some reason beyond me. Then you made the HATE FILLED ACCUSATION I CONSIDERED THE BIBLE AS A FAIRY TALE.
Makes me wonder if you are a Christian !!
Jesus made it plain the law is still in force. If we say we sin we are acknowledging the law is in force. What Jesus did was to pay the penalty for our transgressions of the law. If we accept him as our savior he removes our sins from us and takes them on himself. Thus being our Unblemished Lamb of God!! Those who don't accept His sacrifice will stand at judgement under the law. Woe are they!
What kind of work will you get rest from? All your life before you came to Jesus ,you were a worker of iniquity , burdened down in your spirit with all your sins. He will unload those sins in your spirit, make you a new creature and you have rest from all your sins. Your work is done when you come to him. I hope you understand this.