GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?
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GALATIANS 3 [23] But BEFORE FAITH CAME, WE WERE KEPT UNDER THE LAW, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. [24] WHEREFORE THE LAW WAS OUR SCHOOLMASTER TO BRING US UNTO CHRIST, THAT WE MIGHT BE JUSTIFIED BY FAITH. [25] But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster. [26] For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus
Before faith came to each and everyone of us, we are under the law {the 10 commandments, the schoolmaster}. So, according to this scripture you are kept under the law of the 10 commandments (the schoolmaster) until you are justified by faith in Christ. No shortcuts. Then there is no condemnation. After we have been brought to faith in Christ, do we then make void the law or are we to still be keeping Gods law?
ROMANS 3 [30] Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith. [31] DO WE THEN MAKE VOID THE LAW THROUGH FAITH? GOD FORBID: yea, we establish the law.
Just because we have attained faith through the Word are we now to “do away” with Gods 10 commandments? GOD FORBID!
REV. 14 [12] Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS of God, and THE FAITH OF JESUS.
Faith and the commandments. “Many” will claim you cant mix faith and the law. Show them Rev.14
Before faith came to each and everyone of us, we are under the law {the 10 commandments, the schoolmaster}. So, according to this scripture you are kept under the law of the 10 commandments (the schoolmaster) until you are justified by faith in Christ. No shortcuts. Then there is no condemnation. After we have been brought to faith in Christ, do we then make void the law or are we to still be keeping Gods law?
ROMANS 3 [30] Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith. [31] DO WE THEN MAKE VOID THE LAW THROUGH FAITH? GOD FORBID: yea, we establish the law.
Just because we have attained faith through the Word are we now to “do away” with Gods 10 commandments? GOD FORBID!
REV. 14 [12] Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS of God, and THE FAITH OF JESUS.
Faith and the commandments. “Many” will claim you cant mix faith and the law. Show them Rev.14
"Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God."
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"Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God."
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"Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God."
God's Law is Spiritual, not Fleshy. The "Jews Religion" had rejected God's Spiritual Law and had created their own version of God's Laws. At least that is what Jesus taught His Apostles.
Zechariahs did not do this. This is why he knew Jesus when He came and the "Hebrew of Hebrews, the Pharisee Saul did not.
As Jesus promised.
John 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
How can you completely ignore the difference between a faithful Jew and an unfaithful Jew? Who Jesus manifests Himself to, and who He gives a delusion.
Luke 1:5 There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth.6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.
Matt. 15:7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,
8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
This is why Zechariahs knew Jesus and Saul did not. One followed God, the other followed religious traditions of man.
Phil. 3:1 Finally, my brethren, rejoice in the Lord. To write the same things to you, to me indeed is not grievous, but for you it is safe.
2 Beware of dogs, beware of evil workers, beware of the concision.
3 For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh. (Fleshy traditions and doctrines of men)
Because you have been convinced of the lie that the Pharisees were trying to follow God's Laws you have the Word backwards.
You believe it was the Commandments of God that caused to Pharisees to murder people, when in truth, it was the Commandments of Men. God's Word did not condemn Jesus or Stephen. If the Pharisees had been following God's Laws, they would have known Him, as Jesus said.
Paul was converted FROM a religion which transgressed the Commandments of God by their own Traditions, to the Words and instructions of the Word which Became Flesh.
Like Abraham and Zechariahs did.
Zechariahs did not do this. This is why he knew Jesus when He came and the "Hebrew of Hebrews, the Pharisee Saul did not.
As Jesus promised.
John 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
How can you completely ignore the difference between a faithful Jew and an unfaithful Jew? Who Jesus manifests Himself to, and who He gives a delusion.
Luke 1:5 There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth.6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.
Matt. 15:7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,
8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
This is why Zechariahs knew Jesus and Saul did not. One followed God, the other followed religious traditions of man.
Phil. 3:1 Finally, my brethren, rejoice in the Lord. To write the same things to you, to me indeed is not grievous, but for you it is safe.
2 Beware of dogs, beware of evil workers, beware of the concision.
3 For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh. (Fleshy traditions and doctrines of men)
Because you have been convinced of the lie that the Pharisees were trying to follow God's Laws you have the Word backwards.
You believe it was the Commandments of God that caused to Pharisees to murder people, when in truth, it was the Commandments of Men. God's Word did not condemn Jesus or Stephen. If the Pharisees had been following God's Laws, they would have known Him, as Jesus said.
Paul was converted FROM a religion which transgressed the Commandments of God by their own Traditions, to the Words and instructions of the Word which Became Flesh.
Like Abraham and Zechariahs did.
Jesus and Paul never let the Mainstream religious preachers of their time, or the people that adhered to their religious doctrines of men, judge them in their honor and respect and obedience to the Commandments of God.
Col. 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. (The Word which became Flesh)
18 Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,
I agree with you on this. I, like Paul and Jesus, will not let religious man judge me in my honor to my Savior. I'll let God and His Word's judge me.
Col. 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. (The Word which became Flesh)
18 Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,
I agree with you on this. I, like Paul and Jesus, will not let religious man judge me in my honor to my Savior. I'll let God and His Word's judge me.
Rom. 3:26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: ( Not yours or religious men) that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
In your religion there is only one Law and it is gone. But the Word teaches differently. I'm sticking with the Word.
27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
In your religion there is only one Law and it is gone. But the Word teaches differently. I'm sticking with the Word.
greek word for laws-nomos- occurs 196 times in the N.T.
meaning- the law, with emphasis on the first five books of the Bible.
now, of course, studyman is going to reject this, tell me I am deceived by religious traditions, then ramble on about the Word became flesh, and the Pharisees were Satanists , and so on.
so, I think I will go with what the word is defined as, not what I think it should be, based on my umbrella religion that I have created , and force everything under oneness theology, because I cannot accept that the N.T. is different than the old.
meaning- the law, with emphasis on the first five books of the Bible.
now, of course, studyman is going to reject this, tell me I am deceived by religious traditions, then ramble on about the Word became flesh, and the Pharisees were Satanists , and so on.
so, I think I will go with what the word is defined as, not what I think it should be, based on my umbrella religion that I have created , and force everything under oneness theology, because I cannot accept that the N.T. is different than the old.
They sought to "Kill Jesus" because their father was the devil.
John 7:19 Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law? Why go ye about to kill me?
What???? Why you preach that the Pharisees were "blameless" as touching the Law.
John 8:40 But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.
41 Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.
42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
You just keep changing the subject, moving the bar, deflecting, ignoring, on and on.
You asked a simple question and I let Jesus answer it. You have asked me to answer your questions and I have.
But you always ignore the answer.
So this time, since I have been so very accommodating, can you provide the smallest of courtesies and Christian respect and explain to me where this answer is not true?
John 7:19 Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law? Why go ye about to kill me?
What???? Why you preach that the Pharisees were "blameless" as touching the Law.
John 8:40 But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.
41 Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.
42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
You just keep changing the subject, moving the bar, deflecting, ignoring, on and on.
You asked a simple question and I let Jesus answer it. You have asked me to answer your questions and I have.
But you always ignore the answer.
So this time, since I have been so very accommodating, can you provide the smallest of courtesies and Christian respect and explain to me where this answer is not true?
What is stupidly obvious is the Biblical fact that the Pharisees were not obeying God's Commandments, but had created their own Doctrines from the Commandments of Men.
that before his conversion Paul, like the Pharisees, were Vipers, Hypocrites and children of the serpent.
18 And immediately there fell from his eyes as it had been scales: and he received sight forthwith, and arose, and was baptized.
So for you to preach that Saul, before his conversion, was preaching God's Commandments is an insidious lie. Why would you continue to teach this given all that Jesus said against it.
that before his conversion Paul, like the Pharisees, were Vipers, Hypocrites and children of the serpent.
18 And immediately there fell from his eyes as it had been scales: and he received sight forthwith, and arose, and was baptized.
So for you to preach that Saul, before his conversion, was preaching God's Commandments is an insidious lie. Why would you continue to teach this given all that Jesus said against it.