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Col.2 is a chapter about "man religious traditions" VS The Holy Instructions of God.
Col. 2:6 As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him:7 Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving.
8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
Did Jesus walk in man made religious traditions, vain deceit or Rudiments of the world"? Of course not.
Are God's Commandments "Rudiments of the World", Vain deceit, or man's religious traditions?
Many on this forum imply this, but I disagree. It wasn't God's Laws, or ordinances that condemned the Christ, or the Gentiles who have turned to God.
It was the "law" the Jews had created as Jesus said;
4 For they (Not God) bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.
7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,
8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. (Not God)
"We have a Law, and by OUR Law, He should die". Did the Law and the Prophets condemn Jesus to death? Or did they foretell of an innocent man who was killed by religious man?
It was the Jews and their "commandments of men" who condemned the Christ, not God. It was their "Commandments of men" who rejected the repentant gentiles, not the Law and the Prophets.
14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
It wasn't God's "handwriting of ordinances" that were against Jesus and the repentant Gentiles, it was the "Commandments of men" that had been taught as Law for centuries. WE now call them the Talmud.
Jesus took them out of the way. He Spoiled them by raising from the dead when their law condemned Him to death.
He made a show of them openly, not God as many imply.
He battled the Mainstream preaching of His time every day, not God's Commandments. He didn't battle against God, and "Triumph over God" by nailing God's Commandments to the cross, He battled the Mainstream religious preachers of His time and nailed their "Commandments of men" which were against them, contrary to them, to the cross.
Therefore, since we know it wasn't God who Jesus fought with, but the religious traditions of men;
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ, (not man made religious laws and traditions.)
18 Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,
This chapter is a warning about man made doctrines and traditions which the Jews were pushing.
20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,
21 (Touch not; taste not; handle not;
22 Which all are to perish with the using
after the commandments and doctrines of men? (Not God)
Like Peter said: "We ought to obey God, rather than man".
Col. 2:6 As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him:7 Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving.
8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
Did Jesus walk in man made religious traditions, vain deceit or Rudiments of the world"? Of course not.
Are God's Commandments "Rudiments of the World", Vain deceit, or man's religious traditions?
Many on this forum imply this, but I disagree. It wasn't God's Laws, or ordinances that condemned the Christ, or the Gentiles who have turned to God.
It was the "law" the Jews had created as Jesus said;
4 For they (Not God) bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.
7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,
8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. (Not God)
"We have a Law, and by OUR Law, He should die". Did the Law and the Prophets condemn Jesus to death? Or did they foretell of an innocent man who was killed by religious man?
It was the Jews and their "commandments of men" who condemned the Christ, not God. It was their "Commandments of men" who rejected the repentant gentiles, not the Law and the Prophets.
14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
It wasn't God's "handwriting of ordinances" that were against Jesus and the repentant Gentiles, it was the "Commandments of men" that had been taught as Law for centuries. WE now call them the Talmud.
Jesus took them out of the way. He Spoiled them by raising from the dead when their law condemned Him to death.
He made a show of them openly, not God as many imply.
He battled the Mainstream preaching of His time every day, not God's Commandments. He didn't battle against God, and "Triumph over God" by nailing God's Commandments to the cross, He battled the Mainstream religious preachers of His time and nailed their "Commandments of men" which were against them, contrary to them, to the cross.
Therefore, since we know it wasn't God who Jesus fought with, but the religious traditions of men;
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ, (not man made religious laws and traditions.)
18 Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,
This chapter is a warning about man made doctrines and traditions which the Jews were pushing.
20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,
21 (Touch not; taste not; handle not;
22 Which all are to perish with the using
after the commandments and doctrines of men? (Not God)Like Peter said: "We ought to obey God, rather than man".
All God's Word is connected. Jesus was slain from the foundation of the world. Abraham was justified by the Blood of Christ.
He knew it. "8 And Abraham said, My son, God will provide himself a lamb for a burnt offering: so they went both of them together.
As for the reason God created the Sabbath.
4 Then said the LORD (Jesus) unto Moses, Behold, I (Jesus) will rain bread from heaven for you; and the people shall go out and gather a certain rate every day, that I may prove them, whether they will walk in my law, or no.
5 And it shall come to pass, that on the sixth day they shall prepare that which they bring in; and it shall be twice as much as they gather daily.
Religious Mankind has rebelled against God's test commandment since the beginning. And as Jesus said, they will continue until He comes back.
"But He that endures till the end "shall" be saved"
He knew it. "8 And Abraham said, My son, God will provide himself a lamb for a burnt offering: so they went both of them together.
As for the reason God created the Sabbath.
4 Then said the LORD (Jesus) unto Moses, Behold, I (Jesus) will rain bread from heaven for you; and the people shall go out and gather a certain rate every day, that I may prove them, whether they will walk in my law, or no.
5 And it shall come to pass, that on the sixth day they shall prepare that which they bring in; and it shall be twice as much as they gather daily.
Religious Mankind has rebelled against God's test commandment since the beginning. And as Jesus said, they will continue until He comes back.
"But He that endures till the end "shall" be saved"
Your idea (which is that of christianity (any day/every day) may have some ''future backing' when all will obey the Lord...but has not happened yet....all are still fighting Him and His Holy day. I know you are not against it but neither are you standing up for it but mixing it with impure worship which is in this evil world. We should not do that for God is Holy and Pure...we should worship HIM according to HIS WORD - not our understanding.
Sabbath started out as REST but in order to GROW we must learn and Mature....like we do in this life, grow from Milk to Meat.
Sabbath started out as REST but in order to GROW we must learn and Mature....like we do in this life, grow from Milk to Meat.
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Okay I see where the disconnect is, you believe as many do that the Kingdom of God is a future thing.
I believe it's a present reality.
I have scripture for this belief, but perhaps we can start with what does the Bible tell us about God's Sabbath?
Do you admit it's MORE than just the seventh day,of the week or do we need to look at scripture?
I believe it's a present reality.
I have scripture for this belief, but perhaps we can start with what does the Bible tell us about God's Sabbath?
Do you admit it's MORE than just the seventh day,of the week or do we need to look at scripture?
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Where as I believe salvation is by faith alone and that if you add works as a requirement, you teach a false gospel.
Faith will lead you to do good works but can not earn you salvation.
However that might be a whole other topic....I will find the Bible verses about keeping EVERY day Holy. Will be back.
Faith will lead you to do good works but can not earn you salvation.
However that might be a whole other topic....I will find the Bible verses about keeping EVERY day Holy. Will be back.
If one preaches that the New Covenant was anything more than the change of the Priesthood I think they are adding to His Word to justify man made religious traditions.
It might be noted that Jesus, before the cross, was forgiving sins without one drop of turtle dove or goats blood. So He was performing the "promise" He made in Jer. 31 to "forgive sins" before He was murdered, which means He was already the High Priest, which means He was performing the Priestly duties on God's Sabbath as Moses instructed.
This should also be part of this conversation, should it not?
It might be noted that Jesus, before the cross, was forgiving sins without one drop of turtle dove or goats blood. So He was performing the "promise" He made in Jer. 31 to "forgive sins" before He was murdered, which means He was already the High Priest, which means He was performing the Priestly duties on God's Sabbath as Moses instructed.
This should also be part of this conversation, should it not?
The ancient Hebrew Calendar is described as starting in Exodus 12,2....
...The 14th day of THAT 1st month was the Passover, do you agree?
...On the evening of the 14th day the COI killed the lamb & ate it.
Do you agree thus far?
Deut 16,1
Says that the Israelites left Eqypt on the 15th day of the first month - AT NIGHT.
Why did God have the Israelites NOT leave until night of the 15th day?
Exodus 16, 4-5
God says He's going to try a TEST to see if the Israelites will observe the laws He gives them...
...It's the 15th day of the 2nd month this conversation between God & Moses takes place.
...God says he will rain bread from heaven for 6 days with the 6th being a double portion.
15,
16=1st day
17=2nd day
18=3rd day
19=4th day
20=5th day
21=6th day (double portion)
22=7th day (first known Sabbath)
The Commandment about the Sabbath says to observe the 7th DAY (not night)...
...Evening and morning? What evening are you referring to on day 1 of Genesis?
...It's simply a Hebrew idiom denoting passage of time - a transitionary period.
"And God called the light Day and the Darkness He called night".
Go back and read the manna account, it says:
Exodus 16,23
Moses tells the Israelites on the 6th day to gather MORE manna than usual...
...Enough manna for eating TOMORROW or the NEXT DAY.
...Under the evening new day rubric tonight would be tomorrow!
The 21st DAY of the 2nd month passes into night and on the 22nd DAY Moses says,
"Eat it TODAY because IT IS THE SABBATH of the Lord".
The Sabbath wasn't ( or didn't ) start the evening prior is what I'm saying.
...The 14th day of THAT 1st month was the Passover, do you agree?
...On the evening of the 14th day the COI killed the lamb & ate it.
Do you agree thus far?
Deut 16,1
Says that the Israelites left Eqypt on the 15th day of the first month - AT NIGHT.
Why did God have the Israelites NOT leave until night of the 15th day?
Exodus 16, 4-5
God says He's going to try a TEST to see if the Israelites will observe the laws He gives them...
...It's the 15th day of the 2nd month this conversation between God & Moses takes place.
...God says he will rain bread from heaven for 6 days with the 6th being a double portion.
15,
16=1st day
17=2nd day
18=3rd day
19=4th day
20=5th day
21=6th day (double portion)
22=7th day (first known Sabbath)
The Commandment about the Sabbath says to observe the 7th DAY (not night)...
...Evening and morning? What evening are you referring to on day 1 of Genesis?
...It's simply a Hebrew idiom denoting passage of time - a transitionary period.
"And God called the light Day and the Darkness He called night".
Go back and read the manna account, it says:
Exodus 16,23
Moses tells the Israelites on the 6th day to gather MORE manna than usual...
...Enough manna for eating TOMORROW or the NEXT DAY.
...Under the evening new day rubric tonight would be tomorrow!
The 21st DAY of the 2nd month passes into night and on the 22nd DAY Moses says,
"Eat it TODAY because IT IS THE SABBATH of the Lord".
The Sabbath wasn't ( or didn't ) start the evening prior is what I'm saying.
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Before we can talk about how we should keep every day holy we have to establish what the Bible refers to as the Sabbath.
With that in mind...here is a link and some scriptures for review...
Strong's Hebrew: 7676. שַׁבָּת (shabbath) -- 111 Occurrences
With that in mind...here is a link and some scriptures for review...
Strong's Hebrew: 7676. שַׁבָּת (shabbath) -- 111 Occurrences
I have answered a lot of your questions with scripture but you seem unable to hear. I'll wait till you answer.
Sabbath on it's own is Rest...but we are talking DAY which is Holy time to GOD...I don't think that means we just sleep and rest IN HIS PRESENCE. If that is your understanding I am talking to someone asleep...not much point !
Sabbath on it's own is Rest...but we are talking DAY which is Holy time to GOD...I don't think that means we just sleep and rest IN HIS PRESENCE. If that is your understanding I am talking to someone asleep...not much point !
so, according to your " theology " , Jesus was performing the High Priestly role, forgiving sins. but, then you turn around and say that He could not have forgave the thief on the cross on the spot, that the thief would have to have already knew and accepted him at earlier time.
so maybe you could straighten out the conspiracy junk you peddle, and maybe use the text instead of adding your opinions to it, and declaring them as absolute truth.
so maybe you could straighten out the conspiracy junk you peddle, and maybe use the text instead of adding your opinions to it, and declaring them as absolute truth.
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