Gods Sabbath should be kept EVERY DAY!

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To understand where law keeping Christians are coming from, imagine your response if someone said to you that you do not have to keep the law 'do not murder' because if you did that would be you trying to be justified (made righteous) by the law.
There's nothing wrong with obeying the law. What's wrong is to think that following the law makes one righteous, or that following the letter is more important than following the spirit, or to think that one can't be righteous unless one follows the letter.
 
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Happy are the ones who don't condemn themselves in what they allow. The problem in this thread is SDA spamming which promotes doctrine that makes sabbath keeping mandatory.
Don't you believe that 'do not murder' is mandatory? I do. And I'm very zealous about that for the church.

So, apart from the matter of justification, what's wrong with thinking a commandment is mandatory? They think it's mandatory like we think 'do not murder' is mandatory.
 
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They will say that keeping the law is not required for justification (which is true), but then will invariably say in so many words that following the law is what sanctifies (which is false).
Any chance they mean it the way Peter says obedience purifies us?

"Now that you have purified yourselves by obeying the truth"-1 Peter 1:22

There is a purifying quality that comes from living in obedience to God. In fact, living in disobedience will effectively end the process of sanctification in a person. You can't be sanctified while living in unrepentant, willful sin. Perhaps this is how they understand being observant too.

I say just give these people some slack and let them love and serve God the way they feel compelled by conscience to do. They aren't trying to be justified by the law. Who are we to tell them they can't get anything good out of worshiping God in the method and time table of the law? Who are we to say that can only happen in the new method and time table for worship that we invented?
 
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I say just give these people some slack and let them love and serve God the way they feel compelled by conscience to do. They aren't trying to be justified by the law. Who are we to tell them they can't get anything good out of worshiping God in the method and time table of the law? Who are we to say that can only happen in the new method and time table for worship that we invented?
I have no problem with them trying to follow and obey the law. What I take issue with is them teaching that everyone must follow the law, for whatever reason. It's a matter of individual faith, not corporate compulsion as many of them make it out to be.
 
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Don't you believe that 'do not murder' is mandatory? I do. And I'm very zealous about that for the church.

So, apart from the matter of justification, what's wrong with thinking a commandment is mandatory? They think it's mandatory like we think 'do not murder' is mandatory.
I believe loving others as one's self is mandatory. The law can teach what that means, but it cannot command. Only Christ can do that.
 
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I believe loving others as one's self is mandatory.
I do too. I believe that it is required that believers keep that law.

Now imagine if someone came along and said you and I can't keep that law and that we are sinning if we do, and won't listen when we try to explain to them that we don't keep it to try to be justified but because we believe that believers are to keep the commands of God as the expected expression of their faith and love for God. That's what we are doing to law keeping believers when we tell them they are sinning for keeping the Sabbath.
 
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I have no problem with them trying to follow and obey the law. What I take issue with is them teaching that everyone must follow the law, for whatever reason. It's a matter of individual faith, not corporate compulsion as many of them make it out to be.
All you have to do is say, "thanks, but no thanks", and maybe share a brief explanation of why you do not find it necessary to do that, and move on. Paul stresses that we are not to beat each other up about it.

Their insistence is strong because they consider not keeping Sabbath to be on par with not keeping the command to not murder. Take that into consideration to help stay out of a labored and heated exchange about it. Understand where they're at with it. Paul says that's the right thing to do. And then stay out of it.

I've heard many testimonies of law keeping believers being very blessed in the observances. And I'm happy for them. I sure don't want to take that away from them. Especially when you consider how dull and dry and uninteresting our own invented observances are. They got what we wish we had. More power to them. They're finding God in their worship. Hallelujah! Wish we could in ours.
 
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I do too. I believe that it is required that believers keep that law.

Now imagine if someone came along and said you and I can't keep that law and that we are sinning if we do, and won't listen when we try to explain to them that we don't keep it to try to be justified but because we believe that believers are to keep the commands of God as the expected expression of their faith and love for God. That's what we are doing to law keeping believers when we tell them they are sinning for keeping the Sabbath.
I can't recall ever telling anyone that it's sin to keep sabbath. And I frankly don't know of anyone who has. It is sin, though, to teach false doctrine about the sabbath.
 
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All you have to do is say, "thanks, but no thanks", and maybe share a brief explanation of why you do not find it necessary to do that, and move on. Paul stresses that we are not to beat each other up about it.

Their insistence is strong because they consider not keeping Sabbath to be on par with not keeping the command to not murder. Take that into consideration to help stay out of a labored and heated exchange about it. Understand where they're at with it. Paul says that's the right thing to do. And then stay out of it.

I've heard many testimonies of law keeping believers being very blessed in the observances. And I'm happy for them. I sure don't want to take that away from them. Especially when you consider how dull and dry and uninteresting our own invented observances are. They got what we wish we had. More power to them. They're finding God in their worship. Hallelujah! Wish we could in ours.
Jude admonished believers to contend for the faith (Jude 1:3), ie, the true doctrine of Christ delivered once for all time to the saints. Abandoning sheep to let wolves have their way with them isn't showing much love. Conceding ground to deceivers to teach false doctrine that leads people astray is not the will of GOD.
 
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Jude admonished believers to contend for the faith (Jude 1:3), ie, the true doctrine of Christ delivered once for all time to the saints. Abandoning sheep to let wolves have their way with them isn't showing much love. Conceding ground to deceivers to teach false doctrine that leads people astray is not the will of GOD.
They're not teaching a false Christ. And they're not sinning. And they're not destroying the faith of people. But we are sinning for trying to make them not obey their conscience. Paul said so.

It's not a matter of life and death. Let it go. Paul said that's the right thing to do.
 
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They're not teaching a false Christ. And they're not sinning. And they're not destroying the faith of people. But we are sinning for trying to make them not obey their conscience. Paul said so.

It's not a matter of life and death. Let it go. Paul said that's the right thing to do.
Those who teach that we are required to worship on Saturdays are putting people under condemnation of law and bringing them into bondage. There is no condemnation in Christ, so their doctrine isn't the gospel of Christ. So it is a matter of life and death. The lord has made us free from such bondage to law.
 

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Those who teach that we are required to worship on Saturdays are putting people under condemnation of law and bringing them into bondage. There is no condemnation in Christ, so their doctrine isn't the gospel of Christ. So it is a matter of life and death. The lord has made us free from such bondage to law.
Such people are teaching salvation by “grace plus law, faith plus works” which is a perversion of the gospel (Galatians 1:6-9).
 
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I've heard many testimonies of law keeping believers being very blessed in the observances. And I'm happy for them. I sure don't want to take that away from them. Especially when you consider how dull and dry and uninteresting our own invented observances are. They got what we wish we had. More power to them. They're finding God in their worship. Hallelujah! Wish we could in ours.
LOL this makes you sound like a sabbatarian shill. Hebrew Roots maybe?
 
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There's nothing wrong with obeying the law. What's wrong is to think that following the law makes one righteous, or that following the letter is more important than following the spirit, or to think that one can't be righteous unless one follows the letter.
Yet no one is telling you or has said on this thread that following God's LAW makes you righteous the same as no one has said to you that following the letter is more important the following the Spirit. What is being said however is that if you are practicing KNOWN SIN against GOD then you do not have his Spirit (Acts 5:32)
 
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I have no problem with them trying to follow and obey the law. What I take issue with is them teaching that everyone must follow the law, for whatever reason. It's a matter of individual faith, not corporate compulsion as many of them make it out to be.
Once again none are teaching that everyone must follow the law for whatever reason. What is being shared through God's WORD is that if you are following Christ by FAITH you will have the fruit of OBEDIENCE and if you do not have the fruit you are not following Christ. LOVE is the fulfilling of God's LAW in those who BELIEVE.
 
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I can't recall ever telling anyone that it's sin to keep sabbath. And I frankly don't know of anyone who has. It is sin, though, to teach false doctrine about the sabbath.
Only God's WORD is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW it.

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SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4) Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12).

If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).
 
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Those who teach that we are required to worship on Saturdays are putting people under condemnation of law and bringing them into bondage. There is no condemnation in Christ, so their doctrine isn't the gospel of Christ. So it is a matter of life and death. The lord has made us free from such bondage to law.
Not really God's WORD says those who break God's LAW put themselves in condemnation. If you SIN against GOD (break his Commandments) then you are "UNDER THE LAW" because your guilty of breaking it. There is not condemnation in Christ to those who have REPENTED of SIN and have sought GOD in Confession and FAITH believing his WORD.

Those that continue in SIN however are rejecting the GIFT of God's dear son and a NOT in Christ because they are crucifying the Son of glory afresh and counting the blood of the covenant an unholy thing by rejecting God's gift of GRACE through FAITH. (Hebrews 6:4-8; 10:26-31)

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SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)

Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12).

If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if
we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).
 
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Jude admonished believers to contend for the faith (Jude 1:3), ie, the true doctrine of Christ delivered once for all time to the saints. Abandoning sheep to let wolves have their way with them isn't showing much love. Conceding ground to deceivers to teach false doctrine that leads people astray is not the will of GOD.
And yet here you are teaching against Gods' LAW and the prophets. Something Jesus or the Apostles never did.

HOW DO YOU KNOW IF YOU KNOW GOD?


1 John 2
3, And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4, He that said, I know him, and keeps not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

1 John 3
3, And every man that has this hope in him purifies himself, even as he is pure.
4, Whoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
5, And you know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
6, Whoever abides in him sins not: whoever sins has not seen him, neither known him.
7, Little children, let no man deceive you: he that does righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
8, He that commits sin is of the devil; for the devil sins from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9, Whoever is born of God does not commit sin; for his seed remains in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
10, In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whoever does not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loves not his brother.

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WHO ARE GOD'S PEOPLE?


Revelation 12
17, And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ

Revelation 14
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Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

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WHO ARE THOSE THAT RECEIVE ETERNAL LIFE?

Revelation 22
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, Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

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WHAT IS GRACE FOR?


Romans 1
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, By whom we have received GRACE and apostleship, FOR OBEDIENCE TO THE FAITH among all nations, for his name.

Romans 6

1, What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. 2, How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

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DOES FAITH ABOLISH GOD'S LAW?


Romans 3
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, Do we then ABOLISH THE LAW THROUGH FAITH? GOD FORBID: YES, WE ESTABLISH THE LAW.

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WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO THOSE WHO CONTINUE IN SIN ONCE THEY RECEIVE A KNOWLEDGE OF THE TRUTH?

Hebrews 10
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For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remains no more sacrifice for sins,
27, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

Indeed, those who CONTINUE IN SIN will not enter the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).
 
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Galatians 1
6I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— 7not that there is another one, but there are some who trouble you and want to distort the gospel of Christ.

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Some people want to teach a different gospel...
Indeed lets' talk about this different Gospel. God's WORD tells us very clearly what it is..

THE FALSE GOSPEL FROM THE GARDEN OF EDEN

Are you following the first lie?

Let's start at John and at the beginning of Genesis 3

Let's start here with the father of lies......

John 8
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Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: FOR HE IS A LIAR AND THE FATHER OF IT.

The Devil is the Father of LIES those that do not FOLLOW God follow their Father the devil and the deeds of their father they will do.

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1 John 2
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And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4, He that saith, I KNOW HIM, and KEEPS NOT HIS COMMANDMENTS, is a LIAR, AND THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HIM

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1 John 3
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Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
5, And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
6, Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
7, Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
8, He that committeth sin is of the devil
; (the father of lies and the deeds of their father they will do)

The father of lies from the begining. Let's go to the beginning will look at separate meanings and types....

Genesis 3
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Now the SEPENT <Satan Rev 12:9> was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the WOMEN <Church good or bad; Jeremiah 6:2; 2 Corinthians 11:2; Ephesians 5:23-27; Isaiah 1:21-27; Jeremiah 3:1-3; 6-9; Ezk 16:15-58; 23:2-21; Hos. 2:5; 3:1; Rev. 14:4>, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

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And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the FRUIT of the trees of the garden: <FRUIT of OBEDIENCE (James 2:18; 20; 26; Matthew 7:12-23; Jon 15:1-10)

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But of the FRUIT of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, LEST YOU DIE <God's LAW; represents God's 10 commandments which gives the KNOWLEDGE of SIN and RIGHTEUSNESS; Good and Evil; Romans 3:20; 7:7; James 2:11; 1 John 3:4; Ps 119:172; but makes nothing perfect>.

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And the serpent said unto the woman, YOU SHALL NOT SURELY DIE:< The first LIE from the beginning; John 8:44)

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For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, KNOWING GOOD AND EVIL. < Prior to DIOBEYING God Mankind DID NOT KNOW what EVIL (SIN) was because they were in HARMONY and OBEDIENT to God's WORD>

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And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

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And THE EYES OF THEM WERE OPENED, AND THEY KNEW THAT THEY WERE NAKED; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons. <God's LAW is the KNOWLEDGE of SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS; When they SINNED they now had the KNOWLEDGE of both GOOD and EVIL; Romans 3:20; 7:7; James 2:11; 1 John 3:4; Ps 119:172; The saw that they were naked and tried to cover themselves with figleaves; SIN took away their RIGHTEOUSNESS and now they are guilty before God in SIN; NAKED before God in SIN trying to cover themselves with figleaves (flithy rags) Isaiah 63:6; Righteousness to cover our nakedness only from God; Luke 15:22; If we SIN we lose it; Romans 3:19 >

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And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden.

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And the LORD God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou?
10, And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself.
11, And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?

Key points and putting it all together..........

The Serpent and father of LIES is the Devil he lied to MANKIND from the beginning. God's Commandment to Adam and Eve was NOT to eat of the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL (SIN AND RIGHTESOUNESS) lest you DIE.

Adam and Eve did not have the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL (SIN AND RIGHTESOUNESS) because they had NEVER SINNED and where in HARMONY with God in OBEDIENCE to HIS WORD.

THE TREE OF THE KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND EVIL REPRESENTS GOD's Commandments. The TAKING THE FRUIT symbolizes BREAKING the TREE and DISOBEYING God's Commandment.

God says do not eat of the fruit, lest you DIE. By eating the fruit Adam and Eve chose NOT TO BELIEVE GOD and to BELIEVE the serpent. (UNBELIEF in GOD's WORD)

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THIS IS A WARNING FOR US TODAY. THE same LIE told to ADAM and EVE is being repeated in the mainstream Churches of today.

SIN is the transgression of GOD'S LAW and if anyone CONTINUES in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN; God's WORD says they will DIE and not ENTER THE KINGDOM of HEAVEN because they have rejected the GIFT of God's dear son (Romans 6:23; Hebrews 10:26-27; 6:4-8; Matthew 7:12-23)

It is only by partaking of the TREE of LIFE (BELIEVING AND FOLLOWING God's Word by LOVE) through FAITH that Gods FRUITS of OBEDIENCE are seen in the life of God's true people (1 John 3:3-10; Revelation 12:17; 14:12; 22:14) and is why Jesus says if you LOVE me keep my commandments ( John 14:15; 15:10)

If you break God's Commandments just like in the days of Adam and EVE you commit SIN (Romans 7:7; James 2:9-11; 1 John 3:4)

Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will surely die and will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).
 
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Galatians 4

21Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not listen to the law? 22For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by a slave woman and one by a free woman. 23But the son of the slave was born according to the flesh, while the son of the free woman was born through promise. 24Now this may be interpreted allegorically: these women are two covenants. One is from Mount Sinai, bearing children for slavery; she is Hagar. 25Now Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia;e she corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children. 26But the Jerusalem above is free, and she is our mother.

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What law is Paul referring to? What does present day Jerusalem teach? Are you under the law or has Jesus freed you by faith?
Are you of Hagar or of the Seed?
Good questions, God's WORD says you are "UNDER THE LAW" if you are guilty of BREAKING it and if you have rejected the GIFT of GRACE through FAITH in God's dear son. You are still breaking God's LAW and have rejected the GIFT of GRACE you are still "UNDER THE LAW" and the seed of Hagar.

Sola Scriptura where are you?

CLICK HERE; WHAT MAKES UP THE OLD COVENANT?

CLICK HERE; THE OLD COVENANT LEADS TO THE NEW COVENANT

CLICK HERE; SHADOW LAWS OF THE OLD COVENANT?.


CLICK HERE; WHY THE SABBATH CANNOT BE A CEREMONIAL LAW?

CLICK HERE: WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO ENTER GOD'S REST?


CLICK ME FOR COL 2:14-17

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Now please where are your scriptures that support your OP?

Where does it say in God's WORD as you claim that God's SABBATH is EVERYDAY?

Where does it say in God's WORD that God's 4th Commandment has been ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to keep SUNDAY as a HOLY DAY?

WHO are you really following God's WORD or the teachings of the Roman Catholic Church that has led many to break the commandments of GOD?

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SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)

Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12).

If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if
we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).
 
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