Gods Sabbath should be kept EVERY DAY!

[prove-all]

Minding earthly things Galatians 4:9-11

Gal 4:3 Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world:
Notice the last half of the verse? Elements of what? Judaism? No, the world.

Gal 4:8 Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them which by nature are
no gods. Judaism knew God, but they did not recognize Christ when He came.

Gal 4:9 But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again
to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?

What were they returning to? Weak and beggarly elements of what?
Gal 4:3 Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world:

Who was Paul addressing here?

"Paul's letter is addressed "to the churches of Galatia" (Galatians 1:2), but the location of
these churches is a matter of debate. A minority of scholars have argued that the "Galatia"
is an ethnic reference to a Celtic people living in northern Asia Minor, but most agree that it
is a geographical reference to the Roman province in central Asia Minor, which had been settled by
immigrant Celts in the 270s BC and retained Gaulish features of culture and language in Paul's day."


anyway- Paul was not addressing Judah, he was addressing someone else.
Now read verse 10...

Gal 4:10 Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years.

These are not Jews observing Judaism, these are those who are of the world in
Asia Minor observing the weak and beggarly elements of the world, not Judaism.
What does the bible say elsewhere about AN OBSERVER OF TIMES

Enchantments, witchcraft, familiar spirits, and wizards.
Its speaking of the occult. Not about following sabbath days.
DEUT.18:9-11 , 2 CHRON.33:3-6, GAL.4:8-11, LEV.19:26-30

LEV.19 [26] Ye shall not eat any thing with the blood:
neither shall ye use enchantment, (NOR OBSERVE TIMES).

[30] (YE SHALL KEEP MY SABBATHS),
and reverence my sanctuary: I am the LORD.

-In this set of verses, it says: You shall not OBSERVE TIMES....
BUT you shall keep MY SABBATHS says the Lord.

 

[Ariel82]

The important thing to remember about SDAs is this: They, along with other groups, sprung from the Millerite. William Miller was a Baptist preacher who thought he'd figured out exactly when Jesus was returning based on much study of the book of Daniel, and attracted a group of like-minded followers. They believed Jesus was returning on October 22, 1844: Imagine their great disappointment when Jesus didn't show.William Miller eventually repented of his false prophecy and returned to his church. The rest of the Millerites came up with a number of new dates-and Jesus didn't return on them, either. This group eventually decided that Jesus had come on the original date-but spiritually. What this all boils down to is a group of sincere but wrong-minded people refusing to let go of the false prophecy that Miller repudiated. Their literature about their most interesting times is very entertaining-if you should decide to suss it out. They gathered all the originals and locked them in their "archives," however, so only copies exist of what is fascinating reading.

I know nothing about this...not sure if anyone else on the thread base their beliefs on any of these writting either.

Since they have been proven to be false prophets....why study them?

 

[Studyman]

Where does it say in the Bible God can't add or take away laws?

Jesus says Death will be tossed out and we will have eternal life with Him....that is a definite change in the Laws of the universe.

Duet. 4:2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.

Rev. 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

It was always God's Plan to "give gifts to men".

 

[Ariel82]

Jehovah's Witnesses and SDA both spawned from the Millerites. They began in the Burned-over District of New York that produced an anomalous number of cults.

• The Latter Day Saint movement (whose largest branch is The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints). Joseph Smith lived in the area and said he was led by the angel Moroni to his source for the Book of Mormon, the golden plates, near Palmyra.
• The Millerites. William Miller was a farmer who lived in Low Hampton, New York. He preached that the literal Second Coming would occur "October 22, 1844." Millerism became extremely popular in western New York State. Some of its concepts are still held by church organizations affiliated with Adventism. The Millerite movement started the following churches, which are all still active:

• Adventists

• Seventh-day Adventists

• Jehovah's Witnesses

• International Bible Students

• The Fox sisters of Hydesville, New York conducted the first table-rapping séances in the area, leading to the American movement of Spiritualism (centered in the retreat at Lily Dale and in the Plymouth Spiritualist Church in Rochester, New York), which taught communion with the dead.
• The Shakers were very active in the area, establishing their first communal farm in central New York.
• The Oneida Society was a large utopian group that established a successful community in central New York; it subsequently disbanded. It was known for its unique interpretation of group marriage, which had mates chosen by committee; the children of the community were raised in common.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burned-over_district

Hmmm so are y'all saying we have members of some of this sect present in the thread?

 

[Ariel82]

Leviticus 19:26 ►
Verse (Click for Chapter)
New International Version
"'Do not eat any meat with the blood still in it. "'Do not practice divination or seek omens.

New Living Translation
"Do not eat meat that has not been drained of its blood. "Do not practice fortune-telling or witchcraft.

English Standard Version
“You shall not eat any flesh with the blood in it. You shall not interpret omens or tell fortunes.

New American Standard Bible
You shall not eat anything with the blood, nor practice divination or soothsaying.

King James Bible
Ye shall not eat any thing with the blood: neither shall ye use enchantment, nor observe times.

Christian Standard Bible
"You are not to eat anything with blood in it. You are not to practice divination or witchcraft.

Contemporary English Version
Don't eat the blood of any animal. Don't practice any kind of witchcraft.

Good News Translation
"Do not eat any meat with blood still in it. Do not practice any kind of magic.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
You are not to eat anything with blood in it. You are not to practice divination or sorcery.

International Standard Version
"You are not to eat anything containing blood, engage in occult practices, or practice fortune telling.

NET Bible
"'You must not eat anything with the blood still in it. You must not practice either divination or soothsaying.

New Heart English Bible
"'You shall not eat any meat with the blood still in it; neither shall you practice divination, nor practice sorcery.

 

[Ariel82]

Galatians 1
6I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— 7not that there is another one, but there are some who trouble you and want to distort the gospel of Christ.

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Some people want to teach a different gospel...

 

[Ariel82]

Galatians 2
14But when I saw that their conduct was not in step with the truth of the gospel, I said to Cephas before them all, “If you, though a Jew, live like a Gentile and not like a Jew, how can you force the Gentiles to live like Jews?”

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What was their sin? Trying to force Gentiles to live like Jews.

 

[Ariel82]

Galatians 2
19For through the law I died to the law, so that I might live to God. 20I have been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me. And the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. 21I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousnessc were through the law, then Christ died for no purpose.

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What law is Paul speaking about? The heathen laws or the laws given to the Jews that condemns all as sinners?

If the Law at Mount Sinai could truly save, then Jesus died for no purpose.

We need a savior because according to the Law given on Mount Sinai We are condemned sinners..,.however by Jesus blood we are washed clean and made children of God if we have the seal of the Holy spirit.

 

[Ariel82]

Galatians 3
2Let me ask you only this: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law or by hearing with faith?

 

[Ariel82]

The covenant with Abraham was given by promise to Jesus alone who is the seed....God added the Covenant at Mount Sinai because the Israelites rejected personal relationship with God and wanted Moses to speak to them instead of God.

430 years afterwards refers to the covenant given at Mount Sinai.
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Galatians 3

15To give a human example, brothers:f even with a man-made covenant, no one annuls it or adds to it once it has been ratified. 16Now the promises were made to Abraham and to his offspring. It does not say, “And to offsprings,” referring to many, but referring to one, “And to your offspring,” who is Christ. 17This is what I mean: the law, which came 430 years afterward, does not annul a covenant previously ratified by God, so as to make the promise void. 18For if the inheritance comes by the law, it no longer comes by promise; but God gave it to Abraham by a promise.

 

[Ariel82]

Galatians 3
25But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian, 26for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith. 27For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slaveg nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s offspring, heirs according to promise.

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We are adopted into God's family if we have faith...NOt by the Law as given on Mount Sinai but by faith in Jesus atonement upon the cross and His promises.

 

[Ralph-]

I am not telling people to break the Sabbath...just encouraging people to keep it as Jesus taught on the Sermon on the mount and not just the letter of the law taught at Mount Sinai that leads to death and sin.

It only leads to death if you are keeping Sabbath in order to be justified. Simply keeping a Mosaic Sabbath is not prohibited.

I do not tell law keeping believers to break the Sabbath because that would be me sinning against them by causing them to violate their conscience (that is, if they listened to me and they did break it). The vast majority who keep it do not do it for reasons of justification. They do it for the same reason the rest of us do not steal, or do not murder. They do it in honor of God.


"He who observes the day, observes it for the Lord"-Romans 14:6


We need to just leave them alone and let them observe the day. That is what Paul says to do about disputes like this. The matter is between them and God. They are God's servants and are responsible to him, not us.


God has accepted him. 4Who are you to judge the servant of another? To his own master he stands or falls; and he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand.


10But you, why do you judge your brother (who is not observant)? Or you again, why do you regard your brother (who is observant) with contempt ? For we will all stand before the judgment seat of God.
11For it is written,
“AS I LIVE, SAYS THE LORD, EVERY KNEE SHALL BOW TO ME,
AND EVERY TONGUE SHALL GIVE PRAISE TO GOD.”
12So then each one of us will give an account of himself to God.
13Therefore let us not judge one another anymore, but rather determine this—not to put an obstacle or a stumbling block in a brother’s way.

Romans 14:3-4,10-13

 

[Ariel82]

Galatians 4

21Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not listen to the law? 22For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by a slave woman and one by a free woman. 23But the son of the slave was born according to the flesh, while the son of the free woman was born through promise. 24Now this may be interpreted allegorically: these women are two covenants. One is from Mount Sinai, bearing children for slavery; she is Hagar. 25Now Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia;e she corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children. 26But the Jerusalem above is free, and she is our mother.

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What law is Paul referring to?

What does present day Jerusalem teach?

Are you under the law or has Jesus freed you by faith?

Are you of Hagar or of the Seed?

 

[Ralph-]

Some people want to teach a different gospel...

In all the years I've read Christian law keeper's posts only one law keeper that I can remember actually thought his law keeping was in order for him to be justified (made righteous) before God, earning his salvation. The rest understood completely that justification was solely on the basis of the forgiveness of sin and that law keeping was the expected obedience that follows salvation, just as we all agree 'do not murder' and 'do not steal' is. Their observance was out of loving obedience for their savior, not to solicit their salvation. They knew completely that it is impossible to earn salvation through keeping the law.

 

[Ralph-]

Galatians 4

21Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not listen to the law? 22For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by a slave woman and one by a free woman. 23But the son of the slave was born according to the flesh, while the son of the free woman was born through promise. 24Now this may be interpreted allegorically: these women are two covenants. One is from Mount Sinai, bearing children for slavery; she is Hagar. 25Now Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia;e she corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children. 26But the Jerusalem above is free, and she is our mother.

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What law is Paul referring to?

What does present day Jerusalem teach?

Are you under the law or has Jesus freed you by faith?

Are you of Hagar or of the Seed?

Now the real question: Are you keeping the law in order to be justified?


The Galatians were trying to be justified by the law:

"you who are seeking to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace."-Galatians 5:4


The Galatians weren't simply keeping it thinking that's how Christians should obey the Lord. The argument against them is they were trying to be justified by the law, not simply keeping it.

Paul is condemning himself if he is telling them that simply keeping the law is a sin, for he himself is recorded as being observant in the book of Acts.

 

[Ralph-]

To understand where law keeping Christians are coming from, imagine your response if someone said to you that you do not have to keep the law 'do not murder' because if you did that would be you trying to be justified (made righteous) by the law.

 

[Ralph-]

Just as us non-observant Christians think that the person who does not keep the law to not murder is showing themselves to not be saved...

"you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him."-1 John 3:15

...so it is that the observant Christian thinks that the person who does not keep the law of Sabbath is showing himself to not be saved...

"The one who keeps His commandments abides in Him"-1 John 3:24


We need to cut them some slack. They aren't indulging another gospel for thinking they have to keep a literal Sabbath any more than we are for thinking we have to not murder.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

In all the years I've read Christian law keeper's posts only one law keeper that I can remember actually thought his law keeping was in order for him to be justified (made righteous) before God, earning his salvation. The rest understood completely that justification was solely on the basis of the forgiveness of sin and that law keeping was the expected obedience that follows salvation, just as we all agree 'do not murder' and 'do not steal' is. Their observance was out of loving obedience for their savior, not to solicit their salvation. They knew completely that it is impossible to earn salvation through keeping the law.

That has not been my perception at all. They will say that keeping the law is not required for justification (which is true), but then will invariably say in so many words that following the law is what sanctifies (which is false).

I want only to learn this from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now trying to be made complete by the flesh? Galatians 3:2-3

​Therefore as you have received Christ Jesus the Lord, walk in him, Colossians 2:6​

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Paul is condemning himself if he is telling them that simply keeping the law is a sin, for he himself is recorded as being observant in the book of Acts.

To the gentiles Paul acted as a gentile, and to the Jews as a Jew so as not to offend any.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

It only leads to death if you are keeping Sabbath in order to be justified. Simply keeping a Mosaic Sabbath is not prohibited.

Happy are the ones who don't condemn themselves in what they allow. The problem in this thread is SDA spamming which promotes doctrine that makes sabbath keeping mandatory.