God's Secret Place for His Church during the Tribulation

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Eccl12and13

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Hi Eccl12and13

Are you thinking that all should flee?

Or just the ones that God puts it in their hearts to flee.?
ALL should flee! But like I said, the cars, the kids, the family, what their neighbors will think, the bank accounts and a whole list of other material things will keep MANY from obeying God's words.

Only those that have faith and understanding will do as instructed.

Now please understand.....when I was first presented with this I considered it nonsense!

But as I continued to read, gain wisdom and understanding and my faith grew in God's words I believed.

Trust me....I'm am not going to just jump up and bolt as soon as the temple is built...but I have been given signs AND the warning from Jesus;

Matt.24
[15] When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
[16] Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

Many of the signs may happen BEFORE, but I will not move until God's word states that I should move. When I do see the signs...me and my family will be preparing ourselves. When the man is placed in the temple we will not linger to wait to see what happens next. Jesus tells us to flee....and we will OBEY!

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Only adding this so you see I do agree Eccl12and 13
The biblical feasts are dress rehearsals ( appointed times or divine appointment )for the return of Messiah. My pray is that this year all GOD’s children will do the dress rehearsal for Tabernacles so that we will learn and know the things needed to live for the 3 ½ years in the wilderness.
YES!!! I could not agree with you more! God gave us His feast days to show us what is coming. And just as you have posted you can almost determine the time of Jesus coming by having knowledge of God's Holy days. Will we know the day or the hour? God's words tells us NO! But understanding God's feast days will shed more light and understanding on His plan...not only for His return.....but also for the future of mankind; God's Last Great Day, the Eighth Day!

Praise God He has given wisdom and understanding!


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Those that preach and help others are only there because they did NOT obey God's word. They did NOT flee. They will be those that knew but did not have faith.

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I don’t think so

If we all flee and are protected in the wilderness why would brethren be killed in great tribulation and then get white robes, For God doesn’t bless disobedience

Revelation 6:11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

Rv7:13And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?
14And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

Not all flee and live to the day Jesus comes.

And if you are killed, it doesn’t mean disobedient for not fleeing to the wilderness, for there has to be some kind of witness and some martyrs to fill up the wicked man’s cup.


And the two end time witnesses don’t flee but stay as a testimony and just because they are killed it’s not disobedience and a lack of faith for not fleeing into the wilderness.

Revelation 18:6 Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works: in the cup which she hath filled fill to her double.
 
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Eccl12and13

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I don’t think so

If we all flee and are protected in the wilderness why would brethren be killed in great tribulation and then get white robes, For God doesn’t bless disobedience
That's just it. ALL will NOT flee. As I said....some...even some that are reading this post will not obey and flee. But those that do not make it to God's place of safety will also know better than to take the mark. They will be those that overcame and died for the word of God. They will be those that preached and helped others that also refuse to take the mark. Let's read....

Dan.11
[33] And they that understand among the people shall instruct many: yet they shall fall by the sword, and by flame, by captivity, and by spoil, many days.
[34] Now when they shall fall, they shall be holpen with a little help: but many shall cleave to them with flatteries.
[35] And some of them of understanding shall fall, to try them, and to purge, and to make them white, even to the time of the end: because it is yet for a time appointed.

All will not flee. But there will be some that will have wisdom and understanding to teach those that may have heard and now have faith in God's words.

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Exodus and the wilderness is a story of end times

Numbers 11
16 The Lord said to Moses: “Bring me seventy ( number for the nations, God calls his people out the nations )of Israel’s elders who are known to you as leaders and officials among the people. Have them come to the tent of meeting, that they may stand there with you. 17 I will come down and speak with you there, and I will take some of the power of the Spirit that is on you and put it on them. They will share the burden of the people with you so that you will not have to carry it alone.
18 “Tell the people: ‘Consecrate yourselves in preparation for tomorrow, when you will eat meat. The Lord heard you when you wailed, “If only we had meat to eat! We were better off in Egypt!” Now the Lord will give you meat, and you will eat it. 19 You will not eat it for just one day, or two days, or five, ten or twenty days, 20 but for a whole month—until it comes out of your nostrils and you loathe it—because you have rejected the Lord, who is among you, and have wailed before him, saying, “Why did we ever leave Egypt? ( they complain of the hardships in the wildrenss)
21 But Moses said, “Here I am among six hundred thousand men on foot, and you say, ‘I will give them meat to eat for a whole month!’ 22 Would they have enough if flocks and herds were slaughtered for them? Would they have enough if all the fish in the sea were caught for them?”
23 The Lord answered Moses, “Is the Lord’s arm too short? Now you will see whether or not what I say will come true for you.”
24 So Moses went out and told the people what the Lord had said. He brought together seventy of their elders and had them stand around the tent. 25 Then the Lord came down in the cloud and spoke with him, and he took some of the power of the Spirit that was on him and put it on the seventy elders. When the Spirit rested on them, they prophesied—but did not do so again.
26 However, two men ( 2 witnesses ), whose names were Eldad (to love ) and Medad, (friend )had remained in the camp. They were listed among the elders, but did not go out to the tent. Yet the Spirit also rested on them, and they prophesied in the camp. The people who stay behind know they can flee but stay to help others. John 15:13 Greater love has no one than this, that he lay down his life for his friends.

 
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Eccl12and13

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Some do not believe God will have His place of safety here on earth during the great tribulation.

Some believe they will be caught up and taken to heaven before this "time of Jacobs troubles" arrive, even though Jesus told us the following;

"Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other."

Other believe they are to just stay put and let “God provide”!

To all that believe these (2) doctrines I present to you this question.....

What is the worst that can happen if you take Jesus advice and flee to the mountains, as He directs those with wisdom and understanding to do?

Matt.24
[15] When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand
[16] Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

When you see the man of sin placed in the temple just how bad would it be for you and your family to flee? That's right.....you AND your FAMILY!

Fleeing protects not only you but your family as well.

Rev.12
[6] And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.
[14] And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.

Now if you are to be caught up, can't God do that wherever you are? Isn't that what's supposed to happen anyway? What’s the WORSE that can happen? So you spend a few hours on a plane, so what! According to your beliefs you will not be in the wilderness for long before being caught up.


Now let's look at the flip side....

All of the signs that God's words said would happen before the tribulation are developing right before your eyes;

God's word tells us that a temple WILL be built.
God's word tells us the animals WILL be sacrificed once again.
God's word tells us a man WILL be placed in the temple that will be built.
God's word tells us this same man WILL stop those sacrifices at some point.

What if you are NOT caught up when the man of sin is placed in the temple? What will be your plight then? What will be the worse that can happen to you and your family? Death, torture, taking the mark of the beast with the end being the lake of Fire!

And what about the verses that states the following;

Rev.13
[16] And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
[17] And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

God’s word does not say “those that believe in me will be able to buy and sell without the mark“. God’s word says “ALL” will have to receive the mark in order to buy or sell.

How will you AND your family survive? YES.....Your family! You all WILL need a mark!

Rev.13
[16] And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
[17] And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

Do you really think those that have taken the mark will risk the lives of THEIR families to protect you and your family? I wouldn't!

And those that take the mark will have this to look forward to.....

Rev.14
[9] And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
[10] The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
[11] And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.


That is a pretty big gamble! Actually…it’s one of THE biggest gambles of your life!

Jesus didn't give us this warning for nothing!

THINK ABOUT IT!!!!!

You can flee to the mountains when you see the man of sin placed into the temple, as Jesus warns. IF the rapture does happen you will be caught up from the wilderness.

If you get word that there are those doing just fine and still living well outside of the place of safety during the tribulation period, then by all means return home!

But if you are wrong........and you are NOT within God’s place of safety then what?

If there was ever a time for you and your family to be really safe than to be really, REALLY sorry, it would have to be at this time!

PLEASE......THINK ABOUT IT!!!!


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NodMyHeadLikeYeah

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I guess the secrets out now! Its in my backyard, my shed actually. It can hold 2 Christians comfortably. Oh and it smells a little.
 
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peterT

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That's just it. ALL will NOT flee. As I said....some...even some that are reading this post will not obey and flee. But those that do not make it to God's place of safety will also know better than to take the mark. They will be those that overcame and died for the word of God. They will be those that preached and helped others that also refuse to take the mark. Let's read....

Dan.11
[33] And they that understand among the people shall instruct many: yet they shall fall by the sword, and by flame, by captivity, and by spoil, many days.
[34] Now when they shall fall, they shall be holpen with a little help: but many shall cleave to them with flatteries.
[35] And some of them of understanding shall fall, to try them, and to purge, and to make them white, even to the time of the end: because it is yet for a time appointed.

All will not flee. But there will be some that will have wisdom and understanding to teach those that may have heard and now have faith in God's words.

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I don’t want to take away from whatever you have said here, because I think it is marvels, it a wonder, and beautiful, and I am so thankful to hear someone say it with that kind of faith

I can see God in you. And I can see the ministry God is giving you on this matter concerning the church and obeying and fleeing when the time comes.

I think the church as hole hasn’t got a clue about this, and its Christians like you that will make the world of difference when the time comes.

But we have to do what God puts in our hearts, and like the two end time prophets they stay but are killed for their faith and there testimony. But family’s children and their carers and whoever God puts in there heart got to obey and flee.

Manna from heaven, loaves and fishes, water to wine, ravens brought him bread and flesh in the morning 6, and bread and flesh in the evening; and he drank of the brook.

All this is example of what God can do, and will do, to them that obey.

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Where could one go to escape death? The only secret place we have is within ourselves and peace knowing that it is God who holds the reigns and the keys of death.
 
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Manna from heaven, loaves and fishes, water to wine, ravens brought him bread and flesh in the morning 6, and bread and flesh in the evening; and he drank of the brook.

All this is example of what God can do, and will do, to them that obey.



I understand you want to believe that God will take care of those that believe. And He WILL. He will take of those the believe, have faith in His words and OBEY!

Consider this.....who did God warn before the flood? ALL of mankind. And if ANY had boarded the ark they would have been saved. That was their salvation.

Who was protected during the plague's of Egypt? Only those that were protected by God!

Throughout the entire bible ONLY those that were where God told them to be were protected.

God has already given us the warning. We are to flee when we see the man of sin placed in the temple that is yet to be built. To those that obey God will protect WHERE He directed them to go;

Isa.35
[1] The wilderness and the solitary place shall be glad for them; and the desert shall rejoice, and blossom as the rose.
[2] It shall blossom abundantly, and rejoice even with joy and singing: the glory of Lebanon shall be given unto it, the excellency of Carmel and Sharon, they shall see the glory of the LORD, and the excellency of our God.
[3] Strengthen ye the weak hands, and confirm the feeble knees.
[4] Say to them that are of a fearful heart, Be strong, fear not: behold, your God will come with vengeance, even God with a recompence; he will come and save you.
[7] And the parched ground shall become a pool, and the thirsty land springs of water: in the habitation of dragons, where each lay, shall be grass with reeds and rushes.
[8] And an highway shall be there, and a way, and it shall be called The way of holiness; the unclean shall not pass over it; but it shall be for those: the wayfaring men, though fools, shall not err therein.
[9] No lion shall be there, nor any ravenous beast shall go up thereon, it shall not be found there; but the redeemed shall walk there:


To those that do not flee.....He has told us their fate also;

Dan.7
[8] I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.
[21] I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;
[25] And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

Dan.11
[33] And they that understand among the people shall instruct many: yet they shall fall by the sword, and by flame, by captivity, and by spoil, many days.
[34] Now when they shall fall, they shall be holpen with a little help: but many shall cleave to them with flatteries.
[35] And some of them of understanding shall fall, to try them, and to purge, and to make them white, even to the time of the end: because it is yet for a time appointed.

Rev.13
[3] And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.
[4] And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
[5] And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
[6] And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
[7] And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
[8] And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
[9] If any man have an ear, let him hear.
[10] He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.
[11] And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
[12] And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
[13] And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
[14] And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
[15] And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
[16] And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
[17] And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.


You do have a choice. Stay and try to survive what God has already told us will be the worse time on earth there has ever been......or;


Matt.24
[15] When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand
[16] Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

And look forward to the following for the next 3.5yrs;

Pss.91
[1] He that dwelleth in the secret place of the most High shall abide under the shadow of the Almighty.
[3] Surely he shall deliver thee from the snare of the fowler, and from the noisome pestilence.
[7] A thousand shall fall at thy side, and ten thousand at thy right hand; but it shall not come nigh thee.
[8] Only with thine eyes shalt thou behold and see the reward of the wicked.

There will be destruction on both sides but no harm will come to us. Why? He tells us…

[9] Because thou hast made the LORD, which is my refuge, even the most High, thy habitation;
[10] There shall no evil befall thee, neither shall any plague come nigh thy dwelling.
[11] For he shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee in all thy ways.
[12] They shall bear thee up in their hands, lest thou dash thy foot against a stone.
[13] Thou shalt tread upon the lion and adder: the young lion and the dragon shalt thou trample under feet.


What is the harm in fleeing?

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I'm curious. How did God warn the world of the flood, but only told Noah?
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Finding God’s Secret Place

God has a place for the church to live during the Great Tribulation. He calls it the “secret place”. We will be feed and taken care of for “a time, times and the dividing of time”, or “one-thousand, two hundred and three score days”, or “forty-two months”, all of which is equals to 3.5yrs. We will be kept from ALL harm. The wild beast we will not fear. We will be able to see the destruction and wrath of God on all sides, but no harm will become us. There will be plenty of water, fruit and herbs for us to enjoy. Those that are ill will become well. The desert will bring forth grass. The parched land will become a pool of water.

Does that sound great or what? To some it may even sound hard to believe, but it’s true! God has a secret place for the church during the Great Tribulation (GT) period and it is described just as I said above. The description can be found throughout the bible. And yes…this place is right here on earth. NO….we are NOT going to be taken from this earth off to heaven during the GT. We will be right here in the wilderness, if you are so blessed, where God told us to go.

I’m sure some are saying “Where in the bible does it say all of that?”. Well, if we follow God’s instructions for reading and studying His word it can be found everywhere.

Isa.28
[10] For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:

Topic with topic. Line upon line. Searching the scriptures here and there.

With that said, let’s find God’s “Secret Place”!



Finding God’s Secret Place Throughout the Scripture

Let’s think about something before our search. Let’s count how many times God had to remove His children from this earth because of His pending wrath and judgments against the wicked;

He didn’t remove anyone for the flood.
He didn’t remove anybody for the (10) plagues of Egypt.
No one was taken for the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah.
Nor was anyone removed for ANY of the many wars fought.
He didn’t remove Mary, Joseph and Jesus from Herod’s terror.

Not one time did God EVER remove His children from this earth for ANYTHING! So why should He have to do it for the Great Tribulation? He doesn’t. And He will not. Now let’s find God’s “secret place”;

God has a secret place or a place of safety that He will prepare for His church and He will keep those that understand safe from ALL harm for the entire time of the Tribulation period, 3.5yrs.

2Pt 2:9 The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:

Rev 3:10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

This “…hour of temptation…” that will come upon ALL the world is indeed the Great Tribulation period.

And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days. 3.5 years. Rev 12:6.

And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent. 3.5 years. Rev 12:14.

The woman above is God’s church; ALL those that believe and trust in the true and living God are they that make up this church.

But this is not the only place that we are told about a place of safety; there are MANY more scriptures to be found, yes FOUND! Because you truly must ask God for wisdom and understanding when searching His word to know and understand just what these scriptures are talking about.

Let’s read search God’s word and read some of them…..

Pss.91
[1] He that dwelleth in the secret place of the most High shall abide under the shadow of the Almighty.
[3] Surely he shall deliver thee from the snare of the fowler, and from the noisome pestilence.

By the mouth of David we are told the Lord will deliver us from the “snare of the fowler”.

[7] A thousand shall fall at thy side, and ten thousand at thy right hand; but it shall not come nigh thee.
[8] Only with thine eyes shalt thou behold and see the reward of the wicked.

There will be destruction on both sides but no harm will come to us. Why? He tells us…

[9] Because thou hast made the LORD, which is my refuge, even the most High, thy habitation;
[10] There shall no evil befall thee, neither shall any plague come nigh thy dwelling.
[11] For he shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee in all thy ways.
[12] They shall bear thee up in their hands, lest thou dash thy foot against a stone.
[13] Thou shalt tread upon the lion and adder: the young lion and the dragon shalt thou trample under feet.

The angels of the Lord will be there to protect and to guide.

Isa.16
[1] Send ye the lamb to the ruler of the land from Sela to the wilderness, unto the mount of the daughter of Zion.
[2] For it shall be, that, as a wandering bird cast out of the nest, so the daughters of Moab shall be at the fords of Arnon.
[3] Take counsel, execute judgment; make thy shadow as the night in the midst of the noonday; hide the outcasts; bewray not him that wandereth.
[4] Let mine outcasts dwell with thee, Moab; be thou a covert to them from the face of the spoiler: for the extortioner is at an end, the spoiler ceaseth, the oppressors are consumed out of the land.

Again God tells us He will protect us from the spoiler, and this protection is in the wilderness.

Isa.35
[1] The wilderness and the solitary place shall be glad for them; and the desert shall rejoice, and blossom as the rose.
[2] It shall blossom abundantly, and rejoice even with joy and singing: the glory of Lebanon shall be given unto it, the excellency of Carmel and Sharon, they shall see the glory of the LORD, and the excellency of our God.
[3] Strengthen ye the weak hands, and confirm the feeble knees.
[4] Say to them that are of a fearful heart, Be strong, fear not: behold, your God will come with vengeance, even God with a recompence; he will come and save you.
[7] And the parched ground shall become a pool, and the thirsty land springs of water: in the habitation of dragons, where each lay, shall be grass with reeds and rushes.
[8] And an highway shall be there, and a way, and it shall be called The way of holiness; the unclean shall not pass over it; but it shall be for those: the wayfaring men, though fools, shall not err therein.
[9] No lion shall be there, nor any ravenous beast shall go up thereon, it shall not be found there; but the redeemed shall walk there:

We will be fully taken care of. Food, shelter, water….we will not even have to worry about the beast of the field.

Isa.41
[18] I will open rivers in high places, and fountains in the midst of the valleys: I will make the wilderness a pool of water, and the dry land springs of water.
[19] I will plant in the wilderness the cedar, the shittah tree, and the myrtle, and the oil tree; I will set in the desert the fir tree, and the pine, and the box tree together:
[20] That they may see, and know, and consider, and understand together, that the hand of the LORD hath done this, and the Holy One of Israel hath created it.

Please note that ALL of these events are things that WILL happen, for the desert of the children of Israel are yet barren.

Not only is God's secret place hid from those with natural eyes, but His secret place is also hid from most spiritual eyes, for you truly MUST search the scriptures to find God's secret place.


Let’s review:

Who is this Woman that fled into the wilderness? The woman is the church.

Rv 12:6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.
14: And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.

Where is this wilderness and solitary place of God? The mountains of Jerusalem.

Psalm 91v1
1 He that dwelleth in the secret place of the most High shall abide under the shadow of the Almighty.
Isaiah 35v1-10
1 The wilderness and the solitary place shall be glad for them; and the desert shall rejoice, and blossom as the rose.

Why is the Lord(lamb) sent to the wilderness to the daughters of Zion? To help, protect, teach and guide those that arrive.

Isaiah 16v1-5
1 Send ye the lamb to the ruler of the land from Sela to the wilderness, unto the mount of the daughter of Zion.

Isaiah 41v17-20
17 When the poor and needy seek water, and there is none, and their tongue faileth for thirst, I the LORD will hear them, I the God of Israel will not forsake them.
18 I will open rivers in high places, and fountains in the midst of the valleys: I will make the wilderness a pool of water, and the dry land springs of water.
19 I will plant in the wilderness the cedar, the shittah tree, and the myrtle, and the oil tree; I will set in the desert the fir tree, and the pine, and the box tree together:
20 That they may see, and know, and consider, and understand together, that the hand of the LORD hath done this, and the Holy One of Israel hath created it.

Why is this happening in the wilderness? To protect the church.

Isaiah 43v19-20
19 Behold, I will do a new thing; now it shall spring forth; shall ye not know it? I will even make a way in the wilderness, and rivers in the desert.
20 The beast of the field shall honour me, the dragons and the owls: because I give waters in the wilderness, and rivers in the desert, to give drink to my people, my chosen.

Please understand…..the wilderness is NOT now what it is yet to be! Why? Well…..what has man ALWAYS done to fertile ground? Build, pollute and destroy! But there will come a time when you will see a change near the mountains of Jerusalem. Water WILL start to spring forth! Flowers, fruits and trees WILL start to bloom! Beast will start to migrate! And those with wisdom and understanding WILL come! All that God’s word said will happen WILL happen! My question to those reading is this, What will YOU do when you see all of these changes taking place?

Its obvious that this place called the wilderness is not taught in many churches. It truly is a secret. God revealed this secret to his prophets, and to all with wisdom and understanding.

Now that you know…….What will YOU do when you see the signs in the wilderness and the man of sin placed in the temple? Will you do as your God instructs? Will you have FAITH in His words? Will you FLEE to His “secret place“?



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This is not true. God does not protect the church, He gives satan authority to make war with the saints (the church) and prevail. Rev 12, 13 Along with Dan 7

You must read a different scripture than the rest of us.
 
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I'm curious. How did God warn the world of the flood, but only told Noah?


Do you not think Noah preached about the upcoming flood while he was building the ark?

2 Peter 2
[5] And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;


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2Ti 3:12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.
 
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This is not true. God does not protect the church, He gives satan authority to make war with the saints (the church) and prevail. Rev 12, 13 Along with Dan 7

You must read a different scripture than the rest of us.

If this is what you believe then sobeit! If you do not believe God will prepare a place of safety for His saints in the wilderness that is for you and your family to deal with. You will not get an argument out of me!

But as I said....as for me and my family...we will obey God and FLEE! And as I am reading....I see there are others on this forum that I will see in the wilderness!


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Do you not think Noah preached about the upcoming flood while he was building the ark?

2 Peter 2
[5] And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;


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What did he preach and how did the world hear it?
 
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I'm curious. How did God warn the world of the flood, but only told Noah?
A guy in the middle of the desert building a giant boat for a full century. Who couldn't possibly have known he was building it, and wonder what the heck this crazy man is doing?
To add to that, his excuse is that water will fall from the sky, fill the earth, and destroy all life. (which had never happened or even been considered before this)
I imagine the rumor was well established, well mocked, and old hat by the time the rain came.
Can you imagine the panic and the reality check during the first few minutes of rain?
 
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A guy in the middle of the desert building a giant boat for a full century. Who couldn't possibly have known he was building it, and wonder what the heck this crazy man is doing?
To add to that, his excuse is that water will fall from the sky, fill the earth, and destroy all life. (which had never happened or even been considered before this)
I imagine the rumor was well established, well mocked, and old hat by the time the rain came.
Can you imagine the panic and the reality check during the first few minutes of rain?
Thank you for explaining that. I'm sure sons and daughters were born, grew up, married and even told THEIR children about the old man building something he called an "ark" and something about "rain" falling from the sky one day.

Besides.....God's word didn't say he was a preacher of righteousness for nothing;

2 Peter 2
[5] And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;


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I understand you want to believe that God will take care of those that believe. And He WILL. He will take of those the believe, have faith in His words and OBEY!

Consider this.....who did God warn before the flood? ALL of mankind. And if ANY had boarded the ark they would have been saved. That was their salvation.

Who was protected during the plague's of Egypt? Only those that were protected by God!

Throughout the entire bible ONLY those that were where God told them to be were protected.

God has already given us the warning. We are to flee when we see the man of sin placed in the temple that is yet to be built. To those that obey God will protect WHERE He directed them to go;

Isa.35
[1] The wilderness and the solitary place shall be glad for them; and the desert shall rejoice, and blossom as the rose.
[2] It shall blossom abundantly, and rejoice even with joy and singing: the glory of Lebanon shall be given unto it, the excellency of Carmel and Sharon, they shall see the glory of the LORD, and the excellency of our God.
[3] Strengthen ye the weak hands, and confirm the feeble knees.
[4] Say to them that are of a fearful heart, Be strong, fear not: behold, your God will come with vengeance, even God with a recompence; he will come and save you.
[7] And the parched ground shall become a pool, and the thirsty land springs of water: in the habitation of dragons, where each lay, shall be grass with reeds and rushes.
[8] And an highway shall be there, and a way, and it shall be called The way of holiness; the unclean shall not pass over it; but it shall be for those: the wayfaring men, though fools, shall not err therein.
[9] No lion shall be there, nor any ravenous beast shall go up thereon, it shall not be found there; but the redeemed shall walk there:


To those that do not flee.....He has told us their fate also;

Dan.7
[8] I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.
[21] I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;
[25] And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

Dan.11
[33] And they that understand among the people shall instruct many: yet they shall fall by the sword, and by flame, by captivity, and by spoil, many days.
[34] Now when they shall fall, they shall be holpen with a little help: but many shall cleave to them with flatteries.
[35] And some of them of understanding shall fall, to try them, and to purge, and to make them white, even to the time of the end: because it is yet for a time appointed.

Rev.13
[3] And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.
[4] And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
[5] And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
[6] And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
[7] And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
[8] And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
[9] If any man have an ear, let him hear.
[10] He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.
[11] And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
[12] And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
[13] And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
[14] And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
[15] And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
[16] And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
[17] And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.


You do have a choice. Stay and try to survive what God has already told us will be the worse time on earth there has ever been......or;


Matt.24
[15] When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand
[16] Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

And look forward to the following for the next 3.5yrs;

Pss.91
[1] He that dwelleth in the secret place of the most High shall abide under the shadow of the Almighty.
[3] Surely he shall deliver thee from the snare of the fowler, and from the noisome pestilence.
[7] A thousand shall fall at thy side, and ten thousand at thy right hand; but it shall not come nigh thee.
[8] Only with thine eyes shalt thou behold and see the reward of the wicked.

There will be destruction on both sides but no harm will come to us. Why? He tells us…

[9] Because thou hast made the LORD, which is my refuge, even the most High, thy habitation;
[10] There shall no evil befall thee, neither shall any plague come nigh thy dwelling.
[11] For he shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee in all thy ways.
[12] They shall bear thee up in their hands, lest thou dash thy foot against a stone.
[13] Thou shalt tread upon the lion and adder: the young lion and the dragon shalt thou trample under feet.


What is the harm in fleeing?

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What can I say “not much” as you have a strong very case here?

I think most so called Christians will take the mark so they can continue to buy and sell.

And the Christians that don’t take the mark and that don’t flee will more than likely be killed for their faith.

But I still have this thought, like the two end time witnesses they stay and preach the gospel but are killed for their faith but they were still in Gods will, and obedient to God and God still fed them for that 3 ½ years

Even though I think that about the end time witnesses, the emphasis for the church should be on fleeing, as you have put up a very strong case here.
God bless