Gods Standard of Righteousness

[justbyfaith]

nope he told Jews that were born under the law that , because they had already been circumcised according to Moses law ( not it’s origin , but adopted by the law is circumcision as a sign that you have to obey all of it , that’s why he said that to them they were beholden to the law , born of the flesh Israelites he also told them to obey the preists scribes and Pharisees not our priesthood to obey but it was there’s until Jesus died.

“Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat: All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭23:2-3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

certainly you don’t think you have leviticle priests also do you ? And a temple for all the ordinances demanded by Moses law ?

“For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭7:12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

your I don’t think understanding what I’m telling you everything changed from the Passover to the sin sacrifice , to the priesthood , to the ordination , to the mediator , to the law giver himself no longer Moses but rather Christ Jesus his words are the words Moses words arent Christian doctrine

he was meant to bring Israel to the promised land , his law was to be implemented in the promised land of Israel it would bless the land and they would eventually rule the earth or curse the earth by thier transgression we know what they did , thats what we’re being saved from through Christ and his testament

the trings Moses said are for sinners not children of God but those scriptures bounce right off of you plain ones like the apostles all gathering together and saying plainly we do not preach Moses law telling people they have to obey it and then saying plainly these three things from the law observe

but it’s like you know better to an what’s written and spoken by the foundations of Christianity watch

This is the apostles gathering to conclude what we’re talking about can you acknolwedge this ?

I recommend the whole chapter but


…But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.

And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter.

And when there had been much disputing, ( like we’re doing ) Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.

And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us; And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith . ( Romans 10:17)

Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?

But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.

Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:

It seemed good unto us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men unto you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul, Men that have hazarded their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭15:1, 5-11, 24-26‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the only theee elements of Moses law approved by the apostles are the ones they specifically name on the letter

“Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:

But that we write unto them, that they abstain from

pollutions of idols,

and from fornication,

and from things strangled, and from blood.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭15:19-20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

You are talking about people like Peter , paul and the original church who were all under the law until Jesus died and rose now they are explaining it’s a yoke and burden to believers it’s not something we tell people they need to obey it’s not our doctrine it actually subverts a persons soul and weighs them down with a burden that no
One could ever carry that’s why he took it away and gave us the truth from heaven that can redeem us instead of condemn us

can you read acts 15 the whole chapter and accept it ? It’s just plain as day no matter what translation one uses it sort of settles the debate we’re having hen we could go further and maybe edify one another because you have a lot of understanding but also your not hearing what’s there out this subject so do this for me as a brother

read acts fifteen and see if we don’t find better agreement

We aren't any longer bound by the letter of the law but have been set free to obey the spirit of what is written (Romans 7:6).

If we walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit, the righteousness of the law is fulfilled in us (Romans 8:4).

 

[justbyfaith]

Yes, I agree with this totally!

As do I. Winner.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

This is where we go to sanctification! Through our daily life, if we yield to the Spirit by faith, Christ lives in us and fulfills the Just demands of the Law through us.

This is by 100% faith in Christ, e-g.

Yes by faith,

not by following the law like your buddy keeps preaching

 

[justbyfaith]

Yes by faith,

not by following the law like your buddy keeps preaching

Yes, by faith, the righteous demands of the law will be practically met within us.

And I say also that it is not a sin to look into the perfect law of liberty and continue in ir (James 1:25).

For if any man turns his ear away from the law, even his prayer shall be an abomination (Proverbs 28:9).

At least you acknowledge that I have been preaching here.

Tit 1:3, But hath in due times manifested his word through preaching, which is committed unto me according to the commandment of God our Saviour;

2Ti 4:2, Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Haven't you heard, Christ took away the curse of disobedience to the law. The law does not curse, it is a blessing according to scripture--I think there are scriptures you will not read. It is disobedience that curses, and Christ took that curse away with repentance and forgiveness. The curse isn't reversed through denying God gave us law.

That does not give you the right to go back to that very law that curses you where you stand and continue to break it because you can’t keep it. Yet claim you are keeping it or trying your best.

Guilty is guilty

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Look at Hebrews 10:10.

In context, it should be referring to sanctification that has already happened; not to sanctification that is still in process.

Heb 10:10, By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.


1Th 5:23, And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
1Th 5:24, Faithful is he that calleth you, who also will do it.

I believe that in going to a translation other than the kjv, you are heaping to yourself teachers (in the translators of those other versions) to tell you what your itching ears want to hear (2 Timothy 4:3).

Being sanctified is correct

We are positionally set apart in christ. While at the same time, we are conditionally being set apart in christian growth. Also by christ.

I think again you need to study some more. And stop idolizing a flawed translation

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Nope.

Yes it is

because if your break one of them. Your dead.

cursed is the one who does not obey every word.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The Lord wrote the law in our hearts, Jer. 31; 33 “This is the covenant I will make with the people of Israel after that time,” declares the LORD. “I will put my law in their minds and write it on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people.

Do you think this is sin and death God put in our hearts?

Breaking them is sin and death.

The minister of death written in stone is the ten commands.. It was the only thing written in stone given to Israel.

 

[justbyfaith]

Being sanctified is correct

We are positionally set apart in christ. While at the same time, we are conditionally being set apart in christian growth. Also by christ.

I think again you need to study some more. And stop idolizing a flawed translation

We are being sanctified in that the blood of Jesus Christ continually cleanseth us from all sin.

There is such a thing as being "sanctified wholly", so that your entire spirit and soul and body might be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ (1 Thessalonians 5:23-24).

If you want to argue that my translation is faulty, I will utilize that to prove my point that the kjv is different from modern translations in its very message.

Since the kjv, for 400 years, was the standard for the Bible and also brought many people to salvation; while many modern translations do not have the same record; I would say that the kjv is indisputably the version that we ought to go by if we want the sweet salvation that will produce real holiness in our lives.

 

[oyster67]

This is my first thread and was pending approval, it was entered after approval and fell on the 2nd page.

This happens to all of us. Don't know why they can't put new posts on the first page. Nothing wrong with replying to your own post when this happens. You are doing great!

 

[justbyfaith]

Yes it is

because if your break one of them. Your dead.

cursed is the one who does not obey every word.

Then, if I have the love of the Lord shed abroad in my heart (Romans 5:5); and also this is the fulfilling of the righteousness of the law within me (Romans 13:8-10, Romans 8:4); in that case I am walking in sin and death.

I suggest that you read Isaiah 5:20. Because you have things backwards; you are calling good evil and evil good.

Rom 7:11, For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.
Rom 7:12, Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
Rom 7:13, Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Nope. It is what is found in the immediate context of Romans 8:2 where it is mentioned.

It is what is spoken of in Romans 7:14-25.

That is the bottom line.

If you reject this, you will be stuck in Romans 7:14-25 for the rest of your life and will never graduate into a Romans 8 lifestyle.

You may even be saved in that...

However, if I were you, I would not bet on it.

I graduated to romans 8 decades ago

You are still stuck on the law.

I walk according to the spirit. I walk in serving others. And not worrying about myself

I don;t walk around trying to obay a law that can not help me. I walk around in Love serving people

And by doing that. I don;t break the law

But I am not perfect. So I am still a sinner because I fall short of Gods standard.

But hey, You keep trying to follow that law and be decieved as to your own sinfulness while judging us who walk with God

 

[oyster67]

13 pages!!!!!!!!!! Boy you sure made up for a slow start! Did you start a war or somethin'? I must go see.

 

[Blik]

nope he told Jews that were born under the law that , t

From the day Adam and Eve fell God gave all people grace. There is no truth in any person being able to attain salvation under the law, not ever.

Read Lev. 17:11 that says God gave blood on the altar for the atonement of souls. They were given the sacrificial system telling them blood must be shed for their forgiveness. Just as it is today, if a gentile ever put himself under law for salvation, it failed. It failed then and it fails now.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The Ten Commandments are perfection! It's not being able to keep them that brings forth death, not the Commandments themselves.

Paul said that the Letter (the 10) brings forth death, (the curse). This is has nothing to do with the actual perfect Commandments, but the keeping of them that we can't do that brings forth death.

Thats the whole point

The tablets of stone where the ministers of death.

When a dependent stands in front of a judge, the law is handed to him, The guilty party is the one who broke the law. And a sentence is passed down.

The tablets of stone are that law. They were stuck in the ark, along with arrons’s rod that budded and the manna.

They proved the guilt of the people. The cherub on both sides of the ark looked down on the things in the ark. And the judgment was guilty
When the priest took the blood and covered the opening to the ark. the cherub saw the blood. They did not see the ministers of death inside the ark. Hence it is said the sin of the people was “covered”

if peopel would actually sit down and do an indepth study of the law they would see how complex and deep it is and how every aspect of it should have led the people of Israel to see its messiah when he came

Sadly. Like so many today. We have so many that CLAIM they understand it. But are lost to what it really is, and they rejected their messiah, because they did not understand they law. They twisted it to their own proud version. Thinking they could keep it and in turn denied Christ and God

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Yes, by faith, the righteous demands of the law will be practically met within us.

Unless your perfect.

\You are not even “practically” close to meeting Gods demand as shown in the law

 

[justbyfaith]

I graduated to romans 8 decades ago

You are still stuck on the law.

I walk according to the spirit. I walk in serving others. And not worrying about myself

I don;t walk around trying to obay a law that can not help me. I walk around in Love serving people

And by doing that. I don;t break the law

But I am not perfect. So I am still a sinner because I fall short of Gods standard.

But hey, You keep trying to follow that law and be decieved as to your own sinfulness while judging us who walk with God

Hey, man...

here is how I know that I come short of God's standard...because the law shows it to me (Romans 3:20).

If you know that you are a sinner, then I believe that you know that by the law.

Paul considered that he had a clear conscience and that he did not consider that there was anything against him worthy of judgment (1 Corinthians 4:3-4).

If we walk in the light as God is in the light, we have fellowship with one another and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanseth us from all sin (1 John 1:7).

I believe that the law is that light (Proverbs 6:23). The Holy Spirit is also that light.

Job said the following,

Job 9:21, Though I were perfect, yet would I not know my soul: I would despise my life.

If the Lord therefore cleanses you from all sin, you may be completely unaware of the work that He has done in you.

This is why I believe we should rely on the Holy Spirit to pinpoint sin in our lives as He sees fit; and to not consider our sins at other times.

When we do not see sin in our own lives, we are not justified by this; but He who judges us is the Lord (1 Corinthians 4:3-4).

But it is not necessarily a bad thing for us to have a clear conscience as Paul spoke of himself as having in the verses referenced above.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

We are being sanctified in that the blood of Jesus Christ continually cleanseth us from all sin.

There is such a thing as being "sanctified wholly", so that your entire spirit and soul and body might be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ (1 Thessalonians 5:23-24).

If you want to argue that my translation is faulty, I will utilize that to prove my point that the kjv is different from modern translations in its very message.

Since the kjv, for 400 years, was the standard for the Bible and also brought many people to salvation; while many modern translations do not have the same record; I would say that the kjv is indisputably the version that we ought to go by if we want the sweet salvation that will produce real holiness in our lives.

1. You can argue until your blue in the face. You will not prove the KJV is perfect.
2. We are being sanctified as our life is changed and we are set apart in action. (In deeds and a lifestyle)

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Then, if I have the love of the Lord shed abroad in my heart (Romans 5:5); and also this is the fulfilling of the righteousness of the law within me (Romans 13:8-10, Romans 8:4); in that case I am walking in sin and death.

I suggest that you read Isaiah 5:20. Because you have things backwards; you are calling good evil and evil good.

Rom 7:11, For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.
Rom 7:12, Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
Rom 7:13, Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.

You just dont get it

Study the law my friend. You have no comprehenstion what the law is.

The ten commands are the minister of death Placed in the arc of the covenant, as a means to prove the children guilty

 

[justbyfaith]

Thats the whole point

The tablets of stone where the ministers of death.

Rom 7:11, For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.
Rom 7:12, Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
Rom 7:13, Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.