Gods Standard of Righteousness

[eternally-gratefull]

Then what do you suggest a Christian be guided by? If a Christian is guided by Christ, then Christ gave us the law in our hearts as a guide. If we look to the holy spirit as a guide, the the Holy Spirit and God is one and we are back to being given the law in our hearts.

You preach getting rid of the law as a guide, but how are you able to achieve getting the law out of your heart and keeping Christ in your heart?

What should a christian be guided by?

1. The law of love, Love the lord your god and all people
2. The fruit of the spirit. Which is being others focused. Putting the needs of others above yourself. As Christ continued to do his whole ministry
3. Becoming more christlike, which is not found by obeying the law

the law makes you look at you. Performance. And it cannot even show you every possible sin. It just gives you a few commands, and says if you do not obey all of these your cursed. That was its purpose. Thats NOT how you become christlike.

 

[Aaron56]

Just for the record: I didn’t have to argue with Charlie before knowing he belongs on my “ignore“ list.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Just for the record: I didn’t have to argue with Charlie before knowing he belongs on my “ignore“ list.

Lol.. how many posts in?

 

[Aaron56]

Lol.. how many posts in?

First one, my brother.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

First one, my brother.

Lol, I guess he still has his other chatroom to fall back on when no one talks to him here. Him and his buddy will see soon..

 

[justbyfaith]

Then why do you keep preaching the law?

the law is about how sinful we are not how good we are

So, you would think that in being so wrapped up in the law, I would understand how sinful I am.

Let me say to you that this is exactly the case.

The law says to me that in me, that is, in my flesh, there dwells no good thing.

My only ability to measure up to the law is inasmuch as Jesus is living His life in me and through me (Galatians 2:20); inasmuch as I walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit.

There is no goodness in me, that is, in my flesh.

But God the Holy Spirit (Christ) who dwells within me, is good.

And when He is doing the living of my life, the liviing that is done will also be good.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

So, you would think that in being so wrapped up in the law, I would understand how sinful I am.

Nope.The law can only show you partially how sinful you are

the law can not show you every sin, It only shows you a few. Thats why it is dangerous to look to the law to see how good (or how bad) you are. Because it can not tell you

Let me say to you that this is exactly the case.

The law says to me that in me, that is, in my flesh, there dwells no good thing.

My only ability to measure up to the law is inasmuch as Jesus is living His life in me and through me (Galatians 2:20); inasmuch as I walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit.

There is no goodness in me, that is, in my flesh.

But God the Holy Spirit (Christ) who dwells within me, is good.

And when He is doing the living of my life, the liviing that is done will also be good.

The only way the law can help you is lead you to christ and recieve his righteousness.

You can‘t measure up to the law. No one can. Even with Christ in you. Your attempt to try to live up to the law will fail. Because you still have the flesh.

You defeat the flesh (self) by looking to others in the power of God. And serving them and putting their needs above yours. Not by trying to obey ten commands.

 

[justbyfaith]

A christian who looks to the law as a guide is in deep trouble,

Because the law was not given to help a christian, it was given to help people see their need to become Christians

a christian can be legalistic in his or her thinking,

If we turn away our ear from hearing the law, even our prayer will be an abomination (Proverbs 28:9).

By looking into the law, we can gauge how successful we are being in living the Christian life and can make adjustments.

If the law shows me, as a believer, that I am a sinner, then I need to focus in more on the Holy Spirit so that He can live a life of righteousness in me (so that the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in me, Romans 8:4) as I rely on Him.

It is when I am living my own life that I sin; and in this, the law will show me to be a sinner.

Jesus came to save His people from their sins (Matthew 1:21) and to redeem us from all iniquity (Titus 2:14).

So, if I am redeemed, I am not going to be a sinner in the sense of a man who sins.

While all of us are sinners in the sense of being people indwelt by sin (1 John 1:8, 1 Timothy 1:15, Jeremiah 17:9).

Because sin in the flesh is rendered dead in the sanctified believer (Romans 6:6, Galatians 5:24, Romans 7:8) so that it no longer has any say over his behaviour (Romans 6:14)...he is not obligated to obey the flesh (Romans 8:12).

 

[justbyfaith]

there you go again with your false allegations dude

SHOW ME WHERE I ACCUSED HIM OF TEACHING JUSTIFICATION BY THE LAW

My arguments with him HAVE NOT BEEN ABOUT JUSTIFICATION

You are hard of hearing sir. For a new person. you are not making a very good imPress ion Your false allegations notwithstanding

Once again, PROVE YOUR ACCUSATION or say your sorry for bearing false witness against me

So, is your contention that a believer ought not to be obedient (to the law)?

 

[Charlie24]

4 times now you have not proven your accusation against me.

I will tell you now how wrong you are

We are talking about SANCTIFICATION. Not justification.

So take your slanderous lies and go away

Remember this from Post#703 in "Our new relationship to the Law?"

"Well lets see. Everyone here but your buddy from another chat room thinks you are teaching the law

I guess we are all wrong."


A teacher of the Law is a legalist. This is what you have been insinuating of JBF the entire time I have been hear.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

So, is your contention that a believer ought not to be obedient (to the law)?

A believer CAN’T BE OBEDIENT TO THE LAW

that would require a believer to be PERFECT!

What part of this do you not understand?

I will not become a morally good person by trying to follow the law. IT WAS NOT GIVEN FOR THAT PURPOSE

I become morally good person by seeking the law of Love and the things of the spirit so I can produce the fruit of the spirit.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Remember this from Post#703 in "Our new relationship to the Law?"

"Well lets see. Everyone here but your buddy from another chat room thinks you are teaching the law

I guess we are all wrong."


A teacher of the Law is a legalist. This is what you have been insinuating of JBF the entire time I have been hear.

I do not see the word justified in anything you have posted me saying

You claimed I said he believes we are justified (declaired innocent) by the law

Either show me where I said that. OR CONFESS YOUR A LIAR!

 

[justbyfaith]

4 times now you have not proven your accusation against me.

I will tell you now how wrong you are

We are talking about SANCTIFICATION. Not justification.

So take your slanderous lies and go away

is it your contention that we are sanctified when we are disobedient to the law?

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Gods standard of righteousness is and always has been the moral Law, the Ten Commandments. The problem for fallen man is that he can't keep that Law of his own ability. Jesus told the Jews in John 7:19,

"Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law? Why go ye about to kill me?"

Man can't save himself by keeping the Laws of God on his own, he needs a Saviour!

At first thought it would seem unreasonable for God to demand that man keep His Law when man can't of his own accord. If man is honest with himself he will admit and know he cannot keep the Law on his own. This brings us to God's plan for man, justification by faith in Jesus Christ.

There are three parts of the Law of Moses, the moral Law -- the Ten Commandments, the civil Law, and the sacrificial Law. The apostle Paul tells us "the Law was our schoolmaster that points us to Christ."

Gal. 3:24-25,

"Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster."

The sacrificial system of the Law is what pointed to Christ, the great sacrifice for mans sins that he can be justified by faith in the sight of God. Those under the Law of Moses were saved NOT by their ability to keep the Law, but by faith in the coming Messiah through the sacrifice of an animal that represented Christ.

This sacrifice began in the Garden of Eden when Adam and Eve fell and was present throughout the entirety of the Old Testament. With Christ hidden in type and shadows in the Old Testament through this sacrifice, He is revealed to us by the Apostles in the New Covenant through the Holy Spirit.

John the Baptist told us, "Behold the Lamb of God that takes away the sin of the world." John is speaking here of the Great Sacrifice that Christ made for man to be justified by faith in Christ's death and resurrection, not by his own merits in keeping the Law, which man cannot do anyway but by faith in Christ.

This brings us to how man keeps the Law in the sight of God! Jesus told us in Matt. 5:17,

"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil."

Christ kept the Law in every aspect for us, He fulfilled the Law which we could not do on our own. Paul tells us why Christ did this for us.

Rom. 8:3-4,

"For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit."

Man cannot keep the righteousness of the Law on his own, so Christ fulfilled the Law for us, in that, by faith in His sacrifice the Holy Spirit will fulfill the righteousness of the Law in us. This is done by faith in Christ and denying the ability of our flesh to do it ourselves.

brother Christ and the gospel is Gods standard of righteousness Moses law has absolutely nothing to do with it that’s why thre apostles all agreed it’s not Christian doctrine in acts 15 when the question arose

the law is how sinners hear from God it’s not for the righteous

“Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;”
‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭1:9-10‬ ‭

It’s how those folk saw Gods word “ don’t do this or die , don’t do this or die ect that’s not righteous to simply not kill or steal that’s a sinner restraining thier sin from fear

righteousness is only found in the gospel Jesus taught in fact he himself is the shown standard of Gods righteousness has nothing to do with and is seperate from the law

“But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭3:21-22‬ ‭KJV‬‬

In other words atheists often don’t kill , steal , lie and cheat but it doesn’t make them right with God , not killing is one thing but helping others tangibly laying our own selves down to help another in need is another

the law is for sinners trying to obey a list of rules and restrain the sin living in them , Christians however belong to the renewing of the mind that comes from the gospel not for lost sinners but for repentant children of God

not killing is t what’s going to save us loving God and others through Jesus Christ and his word will

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Remember this from Post#703 in "Our new relationship to the Law?"

"Well lets see. Everyone here but your buddy from another chat room thinks you are teaching the law

I guess we are all wrong."


A teacher of the Law is a legalist. This is what you have been insinuating of JBF the entire time I have been hear.

Well lets see. Everyone here but your buddy from another chat room thinks you are teaching the law

I guess we are all wrong.

yep. The words “justified by law” is not there

 

[Charlie24]

I do not see the word justified in anything you have posted me saying

You claimed I said he believes we are justified (declaired innocent) by the law

Either show me where I said that. OR CONFESS YOUR A LIAR!

OK, e-g, I refuse to be used as an instrument of Satan to sow discord among the Brethren.

You want to play innocent, I have shown you what you are doing as you asked for.

 

[justbyfaith]

Nope.The law can only show you partially how sinful you are

the law can not show you every sin, It only shows you a few. Thats why it is dangerous to look to the law to see how good (or how bad) you are. Because it can not tell you

When I refer to the law, I am referring also to the law as Jesus re-defined it in the Sermon on the Mount and in the Sermon on the Plain; as well as every moral tenet that can be found anywhere in the Bible.

So, you think that there are sins that aren't covered by the Bible as being sins?

 

[gb9]

is it your contention that we are sanctified when we are disobedient to the law?

you mean the Ten Commands that were for Israel only???

 

[eternally-gratefull]

is it your contention that we are sanctified when we are disobedient to the law?

lol. Where did I say this?

Are you now going to be like your buddy and falsly accuse me?
is it your contention that one can be guilty of the law and at the same time, be a keeper of the law?

James 2:10
For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all

It is not even willful sin, this person just stumbled. And broke one command after keeping the whole law.

Is this person a keeper of the law?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

OK, e-g, I refuse to be used as an instrument of Satan to sow discord among the Brethren.

You want to play innocent, I have shown you what you are doing as you asked for.

Play innocent?

You have not shown I was guilty. In all your posts you never showed one time I said your buddy taught JUSTIFICATION by the law

You are being used as an instrument of satan in bearing false witness. And you refuse to repent. Thats on you my friend.