Gods Standard of Righteousness

[eternally-gratefull]

When I refer to the law, I am referring also to the law as Jesus re-defined it in the Sermon on the Mount and in the Sermon on the Plain; as well as every moral tenet that can be found anywhere in the Bible.

So, you think that there are sins that aren't covered by the Bible as being sins?

What is sin? Can you tell us what sin is?

can two people do the same act. Yet one is in sin the other is not?

 

[justbyfaith]

The only way the law can help you is lead you to christ and recieve his righteousness.

Which is practical (1 John 3:7, Romans 5:19, Matthew 5:6)

You can‘t measure up to the law. No one can. Even with Christ in you. Your attempt to try to live up to the law will fail. Because you still have the flesh.

If we walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit, the righteousness of the law is fulfilled in us (Romans 8:4).

And, we are not obligated to obey the flesh (Romans 8:12).

You defeat the flesh (self) by looking to others in the power of God. And serving them and putting their needs above yours. Not by trying to obey ten commands.

I agree. But I would say that the result will be that you will not be disobedient to the ten commandments.

By the law is the knowledge of sin (Romans 3:20).

That is basically all that I am preaching.

 

[Charlie24]

Play innocent?

You have not shown I was guilty. In all your posts you never showed one time I said your buddy taught JUSTIFICATION by the law

You are being used as an instrument of satan in bearing false witness. And you refuse to repent. Thats on you my friend.

May the Lord bless you and yours, e-g!

 

[justbyfaith]

A believer CAN’T BE OBEDIENT TO THE LAW

that would require a believer to be PERFECT!

What part of this do you not understand?

I will not become a morally good person by trying to follow the law. IT WAS NOT GIVEN FOR THAT PURPOSE

I become morally good person by seeking the law of Love and the things of the spirit so I can produce the fruit of the spirit.

If we walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit, the righteousness of the law is fulfilled in us (Romans 8:4).

If we bear the fruit of the Spirit, there is no law that will condemn us in our behaviour (Galatians 5:22-23). Thus, we would be law-abiding citizens of the kingdom of heaven.

Of course if anyone does not have the Spirit they cannot walk according to the Spirit. So, the law shows people that they are sinners in need of a Saviour.

Jesus came to save His people from their sins (Matthew 1:21) and to redeem us from all iniquity (Titus 2:14).

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Which is practical (1 John 3:7, Romans 5:19, Matthew 5:6)



If we walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit, the righteousness of the law is fulfilled in us (Romans 8:4).

And, we are not obligated to obey the flesh (Romans 8:12).

Your still not perfect. Which means you ar guilty according to the law

Once again, the law requires perfection.

How many times do people need to tell you this?

I agree. But I would say that the result will be that you will not be disobedient to the ten commandments.

By the law is the knowledge of sin (Romans 3:20).

That is basically all that I am preaching.

So you think you can be sinless?

Yes you keep saying this

But there are many sins not found in the law

So do you want to be like the pharisees who think they keep the law. Or the tax collector who understood he was sinful. Like paul who understood even as one of the best keepers of the law as a pharisee he was one of the worse sinners?

 

[justbyfaith]

brother Christ and the gospel is Gods standard of righteousness Moses law has absolutely nothing to do with it that’s why thre apostles all agreed it’s not Christian doctrine in acts 15 when the question arose

the law is how sinners hear from God it’s not for the righteous

“Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;”
‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭1:9-10‬ ‭

It’s how those folk saw Gods word “ don’t do this or die , don’t do this or die ect that’s not righteous to simply not kill or steal that’s a sinner restraining thier sin from fear

righteousness is only found in the gospel Jesus taught in fact he himself is the shown standard of Gods righteousness has nothing to do with and is seperate from the law

“But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭3:21-22‬ ‭KJV‬‬

In other words atheists often don’t kill , steal , lie and cheat but it doesn’t make them right with God , not killing is one thing but helping others tangibly laying our own selves down to help another in need is another

the law is for sinners trying to obey a list of rules and restrain the sin living in them , Christians however belong to the renewing of the mind that comes from the gospel not for lost sinners but for repentant children of God

not killing is t what’s going to save us loving God and others through Jesus Christ and his word will

By the law is the knowledge of sin (Romans 3:20) and sin is the transgression of the law (1 John 3:4).

Jesus came to save His people from their sins (Matthew 1:21) and to redeem us from all iniquity (Titus 2:14).

 

[eternally-gratefull]

May the Lord bless you and yours, e-g!

Nope you don;t get off that easy dude

You falsly accused me, You don’t get to walk off as if you did not do anything.

You walked in this chatroom with an attitude and attacked longstanding members as if you owned the place. Now your going to be asked to back up your claims

so one again, Prove your lie against me, Or prove you are breaking the Ten Commandments here as we speak. By bearing false witness.

 

[justbyfaith]

you mean the Ten Commands that were for Israel only???

The law shows the whole world that it is guilty before God (Romans 3:19-20).

 

[eternally-gratefull]

If we walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit, the righteousness of the law is fulfilled in us (Romans 8:4).

If we bear the fruit of the Spirit, there is no law that will condemn us in our behaviour (Galatians 5:22-23). Thus, we would be law-abiding citizens of the kingdom of heaven.

Of course if anyone does not have the Spirit they cannot walk according to the Spirit. So, the law shows people that they are sinners in need of a Saviour.

Jesus came to save His people from their sins (Matthew 1:21) and to redeem us from all iniquity (Titus 2:14).

If we keep the whole law yet stumble in one point we are GUILTY

Why do you preach one can be obedient, when that requires perfection?

Why do you keep pointing people to the minister of death and saying they can keep them? When no one but god has kept them?

 

[justbyfaith]

lol. Where did I say this?

Are you now going to be like your buddy and falsly accuse me?
is it your contention that one can be guilty of the law and at the same time, be a keeper of the law?

James 2:10
For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all

It is not even willful sin, this person just stumbled. And broke one command after keeping the whole law.

Is this person a keeper of the law?

So, it is your contention that we cannot be sanctified?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The law shows the whole world that it is guilty before God (Romans 3:19-20).

Yep it does

And after they come to Christ. Then it has completed its work in them.

So why as a believer who supposedly has been trained by the schoolmaster do you want to go back?

If you look to the law and think your ok, and your obedient, You have no idea what the law is.

 

[Charlie24]

Nope you don;t get off that easy dude

You falsly accused me, You don’t get to walk off as if you did not do anything.

You walked in this chatroom with an attitude and attacked longstanding members as if you owned the place. Now your going to be asked to back up your claims

so one again, Prove your lie against me, Or prove you are breaking the Ten Commandments here as we speak. By bearing false witness.

I place our differences in the hands of the Lord, e-g! I've said all I care to say, I'm finished with you, Brother!

 

[justbyfaith]

You have not shown I was guilty. In all your posts you never showed one time I said your buddy taught JUSTIFICATION by the law

Because I am not teaching justification by the law.

I am only teaching that Christians ought to obey it.

So, what is your beef with me?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

So, it is your contention that we cannot be sanctified?

Once again, Where did I say this

Is this how you and your buddy work? When people do not buy your stuff you just sit and falsely accuse them of nonsense?

I posted james 2 and how EVERYONE IS GUILTY OF THE LAW just by breaking 1 Sin. And your question is can no one be sanctified?

NO ONE IS SANCTIFIED BY THE LAW

WE ARE SANCTIFIED BY CHRIST

BY THE LAW IS KNOWLEDGE OF SIN. NOT THE ANSWER ON HOW TO DEFEAT SIN!

 

[NotmebutHim]

Not justifying or defending personal insults, but.....

I thought the OP originally said that we're not saved by keeping the law; we need to trust Christ as Savior and rely on His righteousness.

I've read through the thread, but I still can't quite figure out when/how it went off the rails.

 

[justbyfaith]

Your still not perfect. Which means you ar guilty according to the law

Once again, the law requires perfection.

How many times do people need to tell you this?

I know that I am guilty according to the law; but justified according to the blood of Jesus.

Which does not only justify (as per Romans 5:9). It also sanctifies (Hebrews 13:12, Hebrews 10:29) and cleanses us from all sin (1 John 1:7).

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I place our differences in the hands of the Lord, e-g! I've said all I care to say, I'm finished with you, Brother!

Yeah, You have proven you are a slanderer and are unrepentant

a true child of God would either have prove his accusation or repented and said he was sorry for misunderstanding what the other person was actually saying

Please do not call me brother. My brother would not slander me like than they refuse to acknowledge his lie against me. He would ask for my forgiveness because he realised his did not understand what I was really saying

 

[gb9]

Because I am not teaching justification by the law.

I am only teaching that Christians ought to obey it.

So, what is your beef with me?

not to speak for e.g, but one beef i have is what you call yourself, then you teach justification by works.

 

[justbyfaith]

Nope you don;t get off that easy dude

You falsly accused me, You don’t get to walk off as if you did not do anything.

You walked in this chatroom with an attitude and attacked longstanding members as if you owned the place. Now your going to be asked to back up your claims

so one again, Prove your lie against me, Or prove you are breaking the Ten Commandments here as we speak. By bearing false witness.

Prove that he attacked any of you. I did not see that.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Not justifying or defending personal insults, but.....

I thought the OP originally said that we're not saved by keeping the law; we need to trust Christ as Savior and rely on His righteousness.

I've read through the thread, but I still can't quite figure out when/how it went off the rails.

He did say that.

But then he keeps defending his brother. Who keeps wanting a believer who is justified by faith in christ to return to the law. Then falsly accuses people of saying his brother teaches justification by the law. Which last I saw no one has accused him of saying in any thread.