Grace: A License to Sin (FALSE!)

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psalm6819

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It seems those who pay such careful attention to the law are missing the boat, to not understand the heart of gratitude, the overwhelming appreciation, the desire to please our Beloved Messiah, the apex of perfection, His beauty and mercy, His justice and holiness, Redeemer, Restorer........

Do they not know awareness of grace leads to obedience born of love not fear????
 
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This is how I imagine a legalist sees someone who comes to Christ with a revelation of His grace, or for that matter just a person who holds to the Gospel of Grace. The idea that our sins are taken care of past, present, and future makes them think we can go out and sin all we want. The assumption is that grace gives us a license to sin. Don't worry though, the same question arose when the actual Gospel was preached by the apostle Paul.

Romans 6 King James Version (KJV)

6 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

You see, this question can only arise when the proper gospel is preached. A gospel full of grace, full of Jesus and His sacrifice on the cross. This question cannot however be raised to those who would preach a message of mixture, or combining both Law and grace. If a preacher/evangelist were to say to a congregation that we must keep the Law, repent daily, and if we sin we must confess our sin in order to be forgiven, and we must live a holy and righteous life; do you suppose that this question could be raised? Of course not! The preacher would face palm, what he said went in one ear and out the other. He just preached a message of daily repentance from sin and this person asks if he can sin all he wants? It wouldn't make sense.

So, in what context can this question be raised? It can only be raised if indeed Christ's sacrifice took away ALL sin (past, present, and future) as the Word clearly reveals. He paid the price for sin, period. Such a question points to a Gospel that showers us in grace. To ask if we can sin all we want, points to the fact that we are forgiven completely. So the question comes up as, "Why then can't I sin all I want so that grace may abound?" The fact of the matter is, sin is taken care of (at the cross). All sin. The question implies that the messenger made it, ever, so clear that we are completely and totally forgiven.

It made me laugh when I saw that GIF and made me think of people who view the Gospel of Grace as a license to sin. That is how they imagine radical grace, but do not see that grace doesnt feed the flesh but speaks to the spirit. It is grace, not law, that makes sin have no dominion over us. It is grace that teaches us to deny ungodliness and worldly lusts. If you continue reading all of Romans 6 it continues to explain why we don't go on sinning, and it can be summed up as, "It no longer is who you are." You are dead to sin, and alive unto God. It isn't a license, but it sure does give liberty!
Yes, a lot of people get it in their heads that sinning is no big deal. It is sin, though, that causes us to suffer.
 
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I wanna know what's with the arguments in ALL posts?

We all love God
We All accept Christ as savior


So what is the fued?

God tells us be sorry for sins
Love and live with THAT inside us

Love

Why cant someone . Answer me?

Why is debate needed anyway
We go to heaven
When we are sorry sins
And that is all

What does more vain folks want a bigger spot in heaven than me?

Dang take my mansion
..I just want a patch of trees acre or so. I will sing and be lovely for Jesus!.

Golly what is all the fighting about in threads?

A bigger spot in heaven?

Well take my mansion sheesh

I just asked God for a couple of trees forever
And butterflies to kiss me

And a harp or piano

Gosh


Self Righteous jackasses

Take my heaven

If ya shut up :)
Answer: Pride & the need to be right.
 
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Sirk

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Sigh he still doesnt answer my question.

Sirk?

My friend...I see why u get DONE!

Lol
ya. Talking to Jason is exactly like talking to my 14 year old. Lots of words and bluster but not a lot of substance or life experience to back it up.
 
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Sirk

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I agree, but our suffering can be very painful if our sin is great enough.
Just because we are saved doesn't mean that we don't suffer consequences anymore. We just don't get pitched into hell if we stub our toe and say a naughty word and forget to repent of it like our resident "theologian" keeps trying to suggest.
 
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Rosesrock

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I agree, but our suffering can be very painful if our sin is great enough.
I do think there are consquences to sin, but not a level of suffering.
For example there's more suffering if one lies as to the suffering of an adulterer. I do believe God chastises his children, so i think it's a very individual issue as what our all knowing God does with each child.
 
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Just because we are saved doesn't mean that we don't suffer consequences anymore. We just don't get pitched into hell if we stub our toe and say a naughty word and forget to repent of it like our resident "theologian" keeps trying to suggest.
I've come to believe hell is the pain we go through after we sin. It doesn't last forever, unless we never repent.
 
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I do think there are consquences to sin, but not a level of suffering.
For example there's more suffering if one lies as to the suffering of an adulterer. I do believe God chastises his children, so i think it's a very individual issue as what our all knowing God does with each child.
The Lord disciplines us for our own good. The object isn't to make us suffer. The object is to make us repent of our sin. If we repent of our sin, all is forgiven.
 
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I agree, but our suffering can be very painful if our sin is great enough.
I'm not so sure God considers certain sins "so great" that He lays extra pain on us ..... I think it is more that we CHOOSE to retain enough of the LAW to put self-condemnation on ourselves........... trying to satisfy the upbringing many of us had that still has us believing we just have to get some sort of punishment.

The miracle of what Jesus died to do for us, I believe, is one of the most difficult things for many of us to wrap our minds around. No matter how much He says it is done and paid for, we want to earn some of it ourselves, and thus, insist upon punishing ourselves.
 
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I'm not so sure God considers certain sins "so great" that He lays extra pain on us ..... I think it is more that we CHOOSE to retain enough of the LAW to put self-condemnation on ourselves........... trying to satisfy the upbringing many of us had that still has us believing we just have to get some sort of punishment.

The miracle of what Jesus died to do for us, I believe, is one of the most difficult things for many of us to wrap our minds around. No matter how much He says it is done and paid for, we want to earn some of it ourselves, and thus, insist upon punishing ourselves.
The Lord saves us from our sins, but we need to repent of our sin to have lasting peace.
 
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I wanna know what's with the arguments in ALL posts?

We all love God
We All accept Christ as savior


So what is the fued?

God tells us be sorry for sins
Love and live with THAT inside us

Love

Why cant someone . Answer me?

Why is debate needed anyway
We go to heaven
When we are sorry sins
And that is all

What does more vain folks want a bigger spot in heaven than me?

Dang take my mansion
..I just want a patch of trees acre or so. I will sing and be lovely for Jesus!.

Golly what is all the fighting about in threads?

A bigger spot in heaven?

Well take my mansion sheesh

I just asked God for a couple of trees forever
And butterflies to kiss me

And a harp or piano

Gosh


Self Righteous jackasses

Take my heaven

If ya shut up :)
All righteousness is not something I am making up. All righteousness I have mentioned comes directly from the Word of God. There are consequences for not not being holy or in obeying God's Word. For the Scriptures say without holiness, no man shall see the Lord. Matthew 6:15 says we cannot be forgiven unless we forgive others. If you are being holy and righteous and good, then you would be saying the same thing that I am saying (And you would have no problem with the Word that I put forth). The Word I preach is spoken generally to the masses. If you take offense to it, then it is the message of God's Word that you are taking offense about. For I did not write the Bible. The Lord God had written it thru men.
 
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The Lord saves us from our sins, but we need to repent of our sin to have lasting peace.
We both repented quite some time ago. For me that DECISION that I wanted to follow Jesus was made about 37 years ago.
 
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I just wanna know...

Stop it please?
I just wanna know what makes you self righteous posters..so good?

Sigh.....wrong thread when I need beautiful soul JL!

Jason! Ur self centered...aelf absorbed!
You are a sinner in mind.
Stop denying
I am not looking to take any credit for any good that Christ has done in my life. For there is none good, but God. All goodness and righteousness comes from the Lord. In fact, I do not prefer speaking about my life to others that are adversarily towards me because they will either:

(a) Think I was boasting when God does good in my life.
(b) Think I was a worthless nothing when I do on occasion stumble.

We are saved by God's grace. That is our life line. It is confessing and forsaking sin (Proverbs 28:13). But the problem comes into the mix when people say they will forever sin. That is like an alcoholic who says they will forever be an alcoholic. They are giving into the sin. They are defeated and have no hope that they will conquer in being an alcoholic. It's making an excuse for their weakness (whereby they refuse to think that they will be able to overcome it).
 
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We both repented quite some time ago. For me that DECISION that I wanted to follow Jesus was made about 37 years ago.
The Lord "introduced" himself to me around 1973. Up until around 1986 I thought of the Lord as a mentor. Not until 1986 did I come to understand the importance of obeying him.
 
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We both repented quite some time ago. For me that DECISION that I wanted to follow Jesus was made about 37 years ago.
Jesus defines repentance for us. He said the Ninevites will rise up in Judgment against this generation because they repented at the preaching of Jonah (Matthew 12:40). Now, if you are to turn to the end of Jonah chapter 3, you would find out that the Ninevites had turned from their wicked ways as a part of their repentance.
 
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Jesus defines repentance for us. He said the Ninevites will rise up in Judgment against this generation because they repented at the preaching of Jonah (Matthew 12:40). Now, if you are to turn to the end of Jonah chapter 3, you would find out that the Ninevites had turned from their wicked ways as a part of their repentance.
So? Are you going to give this "definition?" And then explain why the Bible says God REPENTED something like 28 different times?
 
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Yes, a lot of people get it in their heads that sinning is no big deal. It is sin, though, that causes us to suffer.

Sin is separation from God:

Isaiah 59:2

But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear.

Micah 3:4

Then shall they cry unto the LORD, but he will not hear them: he will even hide his face from them at that time, as they have behaved themselves in an evil way in their deeds.


Ezekiel 39:23-24

And the heathen shall know that the house of Israel went into captivity for their iniquity: because they trespassed against me, therefore hid I my face from them, and gave them into the hand of their enemies: so fell they all by the sword. According to their uncleanness and according to their transgressions have I done unto them, and hid my face from them


Isaiah 1:15

And when ye spread forth your hands, I will hide mine eyes from you: yea, when ye make many prayers, I will not hear: your hands are full of blood.


Deuteronomy 31:17-18

Then my anger shall be kindled against them in that day, and I will forsake them, and I will hide my face from them, and they shall be devoured, and many evils and troubles shall befall them; so that they will say in that day, Are not these evils come upon us, because our God is not among us? And I will surely hide my face in that day for all the evils which they shall have wrought, in that they are turned unto other gods.


Proverbs 1:28
CJB and Proverbs 1:29
Then they will call me, but I won’t answer; they will seek me earnestly, but they won’t find me. For that they hated knowledge, and did not choose the fear of the Lord


Isaiah 57:17
ESV
Because of the iniquity of his unjust gain I was angry, I struck him; I hid my face and was angry, but he went on backsliding in the way of his own heart.


Proverbs 15:29

The LORD is far from the wicked: but he heareth the prayer of the righteous.


Deuteronomy 32:19-20
KJ2
And when the LORD saw it, he abhorred them, because of the provoking of his sons, and of his daughters. And he said, I will hide my face from them, I will see what their end shall be: for they are a very perverse generation, children in whom is no faith.


John 9:31
ESV
We know that God does not listen to sinners, but if anyone is a worshiper of God and does his will, God listens to him.


Proverbs 28:9

He that turneth away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer shall be abomination.


Job 27:8-9
GNV
For what hope hath the hypocrite when he hath heaped up riches, if God take away his soul? Will God hear his cry, when trouble cometh upon him?


Zechariah 7:13
KJ2
Therefore it has come to pass that as He cried and they would not hear, so they cried and I would not hear,” saith the Lord of hosts.


Ezekiel 8:17-18
NLT
Have you seen this, son of man?” he asked. “Is it nothing to the people of Judah that they commit these detestable sins, leading the whole nation into violence, thumbing their noses at me, and provoking my anger? Therefore, I will respond in fury. I will neither pity nor spare them. And though they cry for mercy, I will not listen.


Jeremiah 14:10-12

Thus saith the Lord unto this people, Thus have they loved to wander, they have not refrained their feet, therefore the Lord doth not accept them; he will now remember their iniquity, and visit their sins. Then said the Lord unto me, Pray not for this people for their good. When they fast, I will not hear their cry; and when they offer burnt offering and an oblation, I will not accept them: but I will consume them by the sword, and by the famine, and by the pestilence.


Isaiah 58:9
HCSB
At that time, when you call, the Lord will answer; when you cry out, He will say, ‘Here I am.’ If you get rid of the yoke among you, the finger-pointing and malicious speaking,


Proverbs 21:13

Whoso stoppeth his ears at the cry of the poor, he also shall cry himself, but shall not be heard.


Psalm 66:18

If I regard iniquity in my heart, the Lord will not hear me


Psalm 34:15-16

The eyes of the Lord are upon the righteous, and his ears are open unto their cry. The face of the Lord is against them that do evil, to cut off the remembrance of them from the earth.


 
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So? Are you going to give this "definition?" And then explain why the Bible says God REPENTED something like 28 different times?
Homonyms exist in the Bible. Meaning, there are words that look and sound the same, but they have different meanings. The meaning of the word is determined by the context. For example: I seen the next door neighbor's dog bark at the squirrel in the tree. His paws scratched up against the bark as he continued to look for the squirrel.