Grace through faith AND the law dont mix?

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Thats what i keep hearing but where are the scriptures that say this. I cant find em. I have found plenty of scriptures that say Christians are to keep Gods law AND the faith in Jesus. We can never be saved simply by keeping the law as we all have fallen short. We are saved by the grace of God alone. Big question is...is there something we must do in order to recieve this free gift of grace?
 

Scriptureplz

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Here are 37 scriptures that prove that Christians are not under the law!
[h=4]Acts[/h]
The law is an unbearable yoke. (Acts 15:10)
[h=4]Romans[/h]
The law reveals sin but cannot fix it. (Romans 3:20)
If the law worked then faith would be irrelevant. (Romans 4:14)
The law brings wrath upon those who follow it. (Romans 4:15)
The purpose of the law was to increase sin. (Romans 5:20)
Christians are not under the law. (Romans 6:14)
Christians have been delivered from the law. (Romans 7:1-6)
The law is good, perfect and holy but cannot help you be good, perfect or holy. (Romans 7:7-12)
The law which promises life only brings death through sin. (Romans 7:10)
The law makes you sinful beyond measure. (Romans 7:13)
The law is weak. (Romans 8:2-3)
[h=4]1 Corinthians[/h]
The strength of sin is the law (1 Corinthians 15:56)
[h=4]2 Corinthians[/h]
The law is a ministry of death. (2 Corinthians 3:7)
The law is a ministry of condemnation. (2 Corinthians 3:9)
The law has no glory at all in comparison with the New Covenant. (2 Corinthians 3:10)
The law is fading away. (2 Corinthians 3:11)
Anywhere the law is preached it produces a mind-hardening and a heart-hardening veil. (2 Corinthians 3:14-15)
[h=4]Galatians[/h]
The law justifies nobody. (Galatians 2:16)
Christians are dead to the law. (Galatians 2:19)
The law frustrates grace. (Galatians 2:21)
To go back to the law after embracing faith is “stupid”. (Galatians 3:1)
The law curses all who practice it and fail to do it perfectly. (Galatians 3:10)
The law has nothing to do with faith. (Galatians 3:11-12)
The law was a curse that Christ redeemed us from. (Galatians 3:13)
The law functioned in God’s purpose as a temporary covenant from Moses till John the Baptist announced Christ. (Galatians 3:16 & 19, also see… Matthew 11:12-13, Luke 16:16)
If the law worked God would have used it to save us. (Galatians 3:21)
The law was our prison. (Galatians 3:23)
The law makes you a slave like Hagar. (Galatians 4:24)
[h=4]Ephesians[/h]
Christ has abolished the law which was a wall of hostility (Ephesians 2:15)
[h=4]Philippians[/h]
Paul considered everything the law gained him as “skybalon” which is Greek for “poop”. (Philippians 3:4-8)
[h=4]1 Timothy[/h]
The law is only good if used in the right context. (1 Timothy 1:8) (see next verse for the context)
It was made for the unrighteous but not for the righteous. (1 Timothy 1:9-10)
[h=4]Hebrews[/h]
The law is weak, useless and makes nothing perfect. (Hebrews 7:18-19)
God has found fault with it and created a better covenant, enacted on better promises. (Hebrews 8:7-8)
It is obsolete, growing old and ready to vanish. (Hebrews 8:13)
It is only a shadow of good things to come and will never make someone perfect. (Hebrews 10:1)
Well there you have it… 37 scriptures that make a very convincing arguement.
 
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I think those that are trying to keep the law are saying that GOD doesn't change and the same GOD that spoke In the old testament Is the same GOD that spoke In the new testament,

so then since GOD doesn't change,we should try to keep the law also.

Thats not how I feel about It but IMO that Is their reasoning.
 

Scriptureplz

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I think those that are trying to keep the law are saying that GOD doesn't change and the same GOD that spoke In the old testament Is the same GOD that spoke In the new testament,

so then since GOD doesn't change,we should try to keep the law also.

Thats not how I feel about It but IMO that Is their reasoning.
Yes, God never changes, but His Covenant did! :)

Simply study of scripture will show those who think the law is to be followed will find the truth. The law is for the "unrighteous", and the unrighteous are those that have not come to Christ by faith alone.

1 Timothy

The law is only good if used in the right context. (1 Timothy 1:8) (see next verse for the context)​
It was made for the unrighteous but not for the righteous. (1 Timothy 1:9-10)​
 
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Thats what i keep hearing but where are the scriptures that say this. I cant find em. I have found plenty of scriptures that say Christians are to keep Gods law AND the faith in Jesus. We can never be saved simply by keeping the law as we all have fallen short. We are saved by the grace of God alone. Big question is...is there something we must do in order to recieve this free gift of grace?
Those highlighted words should give you your answer
 

Scriptureplz

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Those highlighted words should give you your answer
Amen!

Romans 3:21-25
[SUP]21 [/SUP]But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
[SUP]23 [/SUP]For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
[SUP]24 [/SUP]Being justified FREELY by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

[SUP]25 [/SUP]Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
 
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Yes, God never changes, but His Covenant did! :)

Simply study of scripture will show those who think the law is to be followed will find the truth. The law is for the "unrighteous", and the unrighteous are those that have not come to Christ by faith alone.

1 Timothy
The law is only good if used in the right context. (1 Timothy 1:8) (see next verse for the context)​
It was made for the unrighteous but not for the righteous. (1 Timothy 1:9-10)​
Amen..I agree.

Then the question comes up. How are we to live if it's not by rules and the keeping of laws?

Can we really trust the Holy Spirit inside us to lead us in this life? Can we really trust that when we were raised with Christ to newness of life, we will be able to trust His life in us?

Can we really trust in the love that the Holy Spirit poured into our hearts when we believed - that this love and allowing His love to flow through and in us - will this be enough?

These are questions we need to ask ourselves and to the Lord. Do we really trust in what You have done for us and now we can live by grace through faith in all that You have done.

Colossians 2:6-7 (NASB)

[SUP]6 [/SUP] Therefore as you have received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk in Him,

[SUP]7 [/SUP] having been firmly rooted and now being built up in Him and established in your faith, just as you were instructed, and overflowing with gratitude.
 

FinnGottlieb

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Here are 37 scriptures that prove that Christians are not under the law!
[h=4]Acts[/h]
The law is an unbearable yoke. (Acts 15:10)
[h=4]Romans[/h]
The law reveals sin but cannot fix it. (Romans 3:20)
If the law worked then faith would be irrelevant. (Romans 4:14)
The law brings wrath upon those who follow it. (Romans 4:15)
The purpose of the law was to increase sin. (Romans 5:20)
Christians are not under the law. (Romans 6:14)
Christians have been delivered from the law. (Romans 7:1-6)
The law is good, perfect and holy but cannot help you be good, perfect or holy. (Romans 7:7-12)
The law which promises life only brings death through sin. (Romans 7:10)
The law makes you sinful beyond measure. (Romans 7:13)
The law is weak. (Romans 8:2-3)
[h=4]1 Corinthians[/h]
The strength of sin is the law (1 Corinthians 15:56)
[h=4]2 Corinthians[/h]
The law is a ministry of death. (2 Corinthians 3:7)
The law is a ministry of condemnation. (2 Corinthians 3:9)
The law has no glory at all in comparison with the New Covenant. (2 Corinthians 3:10)
The law is fading away. (2 Corinthians 3:11)
Anywhere the law is preached it produces a mind-hardening and a heart-hardening veil. (2 Corinthians 3:14-15)
[h=4]Galatians[/h]
The law justifies nobody. (Galatians 2:16)
Christians are dead to the law. (Galatians 2:19)
The law frustrates grace. (Galatians 2:21)
To go back to the law after embracing faith is “stupid”. (Galatians 3:1)
The law curses all who practice it and fail to do it perfectly. (Galatians 3:10)
The law has nothing to do with faith. (Galatians 3:11-12)
The law was a curse that Christ redeemed us from. (Galatians 3:13)
The law functioned in God’s purpose as a temporary covenant from Moses till John the Baptist announced Christ. (Galatians 3:16 & 19, also see… Matthew 11:12-13, Luke 16:16)
If the law worked God would have used it to save us. (Galatians 3:21)
The law was our prison. (Galatians 3:23)
The law makes you a slave like Hagar. (Galatians 4:24)
[h=4]Ephesians[/h]
Christ has abolished the law which was a wall of hostility (Ephesians 2:15)
[h=4]Philippians[/h]
Paul considered everything the law gained him as “skybalon” which is Greek for “poop”. (Philippians 3:4-8)
[h=4]1 Timothy[/h]
The law is only good if used in the right context. (1 Timothy 1:8) (see next verse for the context)
It was made for the unrighteous but not for the righteous. (1 Timothy 1:9-10)
[h=4]Hebrews[/h]
The law is weak, useless and makes nothing perfect. (Hebrews 7:18-19)
God has found fault with it and created a better covenant, enacted on better promises. (Hebrews 8:7-8)
It is obsolete, growing old and ready to vanish. (Hebrews 8:13)
It is only a shadow of good things to come and will never make someone perfect. (Hebrews 10:1)
Well there you have it… 37 scriptures that make a very convincing arguement.
That is very convincing. But what laws are those verses talking about? Jesus gives us rules we have to follow. Which ones are we exempt from?
 
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That is very convincing. But what laws are those verses talking about? Jesus gives us rules we have to follow. Which ones are we exempt from?
what are you asking,

which ones we HAVE to follow to be saved?

Or which ones we should follow because they are in our best interest?
 

Scriptureplz

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That is very convincing. But what laws are those verses talking about? Jesus gives us rules we have to follow. Which ones are we exempt from?
What scripture gives a "rule" that we are to follow to be saved? Could you quote any for me? Then we might be able to discuss this.
 
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what are you asking,

which ones we HAVE to follow to be saved?

Or which ones we should follow because they are in our best interest?
I think this is the entire key. Keep any kind of law you can find for yourself, if you feel you want to, but do not think (nor try to lay upon anyone else) that those laws MUST be kept in order to qualify for, and pay for, the FREE GIFT of Salvation.
 
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What scripture gives a "rule" that we are to follow to be saved? Could you quote any for me? Then we might be able to discuss this.
Uh....... does it perhaps have to do with TWO things, and both of them being "loving?" LOL
 
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Originally Posted by eternally-gratefull



what are you asking,

which ones we HAVE to follow to be saved?

Or which ones we should follow because they are in our best interest



I think this is the entire key. Keep any kind of law you can find for yourself, if you feel you want to, but do not think (nor try to lay upon anyone else) that those laws MUST be kept in order to qualify for, and pay for, the FREE GIFT of Salvation.

You and EG nailed it!....well said the two of you!
 

Scriptureplz

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Uh....... does it perhaps have to do with TWO things, and both of them being "loving?" LOL
No need to be snobbish, you have misunderstood. These commands are not to be saved, but are given to those who are ALREADY saved! You cannot PRODUCE a fruit of the Spirit, you can only bear fruit of the Spirit. The only way to do that is by having the Spirit indwelling you.

John 15:1-8
 
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What scripture gives a "rule" that we are to follow to be saved? Could you quote any for me? Then we might be able to discuss this.
I wouldn't be surprised If they were to begin to think of "If you love me then keep my commandments"

The question I would want to ask before discussing this Is,Is this talking about keeping his commandments under law or Is this talking about keeping his commandments under grace?
 

jaybird88

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Matthew 5:18-19
For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.”

Jesus sounds pretty convincing on the law. when i have doubts i go back to Jesus and what He taught.
 

Scriptureplz

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Matthew 5:18-19
For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.”

Jesus sounds pretty convincing on the law. when i have doubts i go back to Jesus and what He taught.
Did you read the scripture about the law being a tutor to unbelievers, but after believing, they are no longer under the law? Maybe it would be a good idea to stop and actually read the scripture references.
 

Scriptureplz

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I wouldn't be surprised If they were to begin to think of "If you love me then keep my commandments"

The question I would want to ask before discussing this Is,Is this talking about keeping his commandments under law or Is this talking about keeping his commandments under grace?
The law under grace is not for salvation, it's for those already saved. Keeping any law for the intent to be saved or maintain salvation is impossible. Unbelievers can only be obedient to one thing, which is to believe the gospel. Believers can only be obedient through dependence on Him, same way we are saved. But no amount of obedience either saves or maintains salvation for anyone. Never has.
 
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I wouldn't be surprised If they were to begin to think of "If you love me then keep my commandments"

The question I would want to ask before discussing this Is,Is this talking about keeping his commandments under law or Is this talking about keeping his commandments under grace?
Amen...great question!..and the other question is ..."Just what are the commandments of Jesus?"

A very big factor in looking at scripture is the "lens" you use to view the scripture.

In the Old Covenant " you had to do or else"..If you do this..then I God will do that.." = conditional on the person performing

New Covenant = Jesus has done it for you which empowers you to "do"

Here are these 2 mindsets.

Jesus said.." If you love Me, you will keep My commandments"

Old Covenant mindset = conditional on the person "doing"..so they would read it this way.."IF you love Me you will keep My commandments"

..in their mind this verse is saying.."Keep My commandment and this will prove you love Me." Conditional


New Covenant mindset = it's a description of who you are in Christ . they would see this "Jesus' love is in me so I keep His commandments"

..it stems out of relationship , it is the very life of Christ flowing out of us because of our new creation in Him.

It is not conditional but descriptive of the believer's true nature because they are in Christ
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