Great GRACE Departure - WHICH Day?

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cv5

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The day of the Lord comes as a thief in the night, after the tribulation, at the moment of or shortly Jesus returns.

Matthew 24:36-44 KJV
36But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. 37But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 38For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, 39And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 40Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. 41Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
42Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come. 43But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up. 44Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

1 Thessalonians 5:1-4 KJV
1But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you. 2For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. 3For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
The stark dichotomy demonstrated in 1Thes 5:1-11 escapes your attention?

v. 1 "you, you"
v. 2 "you yourselves"
v. 3 "they, them, they"
v. 4 "BUT you, you"
v. 5 "BUT you, we"
v. 6 "us, us"
v. 7 "those, those"
v. 8 "us"
v. 9 "us, our Lord Jesus Christ"
v. 10 "us, we, we"
v, 11 "each other, one another, you"

A stark differentiation of two distinct groups, two different paths, two different destinies two different destinations...
 

Blade

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Hey :) not sure why some feel the need to cap with bold. For me whats missing here is "this is what I believe and why". Not wise for me to say "just simple read the word take it for what it says" then I explain to you what it really means haha..sorry.

Christ comes sets foot on the earth with 10,000 of His saints "Behold, the Lord comes with ten thousands of His saints" Christ returns every eye shall see him "Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him" "For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever."

"Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other."

Now I have not even touched the OT. Now for me what I know of the lord every single letter, word means something. Every time He talks every word means something. So for me Matt and 1st Thes do not match. We don't read loud command, voice but we do read trumpet. One says dead rise we then change and the other angels are sent out. It's not there and it's ok? Where in 1st Thes does it say every eye shall see him? Again not there yet its ok?

The case I am making is they are not the same. If we can't live for Him now we never will then. Just so easy to believe GOD will protect you? You can't believe for it now.. Hes not going to go against your will during the great tribulation. Heres a simple one, really dive in to ever word "love the lord your God will all your heart, all our soul, all your mind". All means all and thats all all means.

So caught up will happen and no you do not have a clue when. If we know Him we know He will never make us do think say anything. So if one is not watching is not ready.. you believe you go anyway or does your personal interception the real truth?
 
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Hey :) not sure why some feel the need to cap with bold. For me whats missing here is "this is what I believe and why". Not wise for me to say "just simple read the word take it for what it says" then I explain to you what it really means haha..sorry.

Christ comes sets foot on the earth with 10,000 of His saints "Behold, the Lord comes with ten thousands of His saints" Christ returns every eye shall see him "Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him" "For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever."

"Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other."

Now I have not even touched the OT. Now for me what I know of the lord every single letter, word means something. Every time He talks every word means something. So for me Matt and 1st Thes do not match. We don't read loud command, voice but we do read trumpet. One says dead rise we then change and the other angels are sent out. It's not there and it's ok? Where in 1st Thes does it say every eye shall see him? Again not there yet its ok?

The case I am making is they are not the same. If we can't live for Him now we never will then. Just so easy to believe GOD will protect you? You can't believe for it now.. Hes not going to go against your will during the great tribulation. Heres a simple one, really dive in to ever word "love the lord your God will all your heart, all our soul, all your mind". All means all and thats all all means.

So caught up will happen and no you do not have a clue when. If we know Him we know He will never make us do think say anything. So if one is not watching is not ready.. you believe you go anyway or does your personal interception the real truth?
TRUE, the words are important and not haphazard - the Holy Spirit knows what He is doing when the Scriptures were being written.

When God decides to reveal Truth on a Subject He will do it with straight talk, parables and often different words for the same event or subject matter that He is seeking to establish, in His Word so that it is Harmonious from Beginning to End.
Harmonious does not mean using the same words for the same subject matter, but rather the same meaning and directive, such as His Coming. He mentioned angels gathering the Elect in Matt 24 - He does not have to address that again and for Good Reason.
Since He knows BEFORE the confusion satan will attack with, He will repeat some things such as "Coming in the Clouds"
Matt 24 & 1 Thess 4 and Acts 1

God is not the author of confusion - 1 Cor 14:33

But the Father, Son and Holy Spirit want to see what you are made of - what you will do with His word's.
Will you add to them? Will you take away from them? Will you make money off of them?
Will you use the words of God to make disciples unto yourself instead of unto HIM.

Every error comes from satan -
But let your ‘Yes’ be ‘Yes,’ and your ‘No,’ ‘No.’ For whatever is more than these is from the evil one. - Matthew 5:37

Furthermore, it was foretold of this 'Day of Confusion' = 2 Timothy 4
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables.

See the harmony here of this with this: "He who endures until the end" these Two Scriptures are inseparable.
 

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Precious friends, Much Thanks for all your participation!:
Before our Great GRACE Departure to God's Great GloryLand,
we have only one prayer, that all would prayerfully and carefully
"Consider what God Gave Paul" in Romans - Philemon, for our
"full understanding Of HIS Revelation Of The MYSTERY!" Amen!:

(2 Timothy 2:15; Romans 16:25; Ephesians 1:3-9; Ephesians 3:9 =
Grace/Mystery
fellowship {Romans – Philemon}, For ALL “to SEE,” today?)

Please Be Richly Encouraged, Enlightened, Exhorted, and Edified!
God’s Simple Will!
 

cv5

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A few things I would say about this ^ (which I've put in past posts):

1)
[quoting from old post]


How do you believe the above ^ jives with the following passage (addressed TO/FOR/ABOUT "the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY," i.e. all those saved "in this present age [singular]"):


1 Thessalonians 5:6-10 [blb] - [explanation in brackets--note how the SAME Grk words are in vv.6 and 10... same words, same context]

6 So then we should not sleep [G2518 - katheudōmen] as the others,
but we should watch [G1127 - grēgorōmen] and we should be sober.

7 For those sleeping, sleep by night; and those becoming drunk, get drunk by night.

8 But we being of the day should be sober, having put on the breastplate of faith and love,
and the helmet, the hope of salvation [an eschatalogical salvation, per context],

9 because God has not destined us for wrath,
but for obtaining salvation through [/by means of] our Lord Jesus Christ,

10 the One having died for us, so that

whether we might watch [same Greek word as in verse 6! G1127 - grēgorōmen]

OR whether we might sleep [same Greek word as in verse 6! G2518 - katheudōmen--NOT meaning 'death' here as the OTHER Greek word does in the previous chpt! 4:13,14,15 (G2837- sleep in DEATH)],

we may live together with [G4862 - syn - UNIONed-with] Him.



[THIS "WITH [G4862]" word being distinct from the OTHER "with [G3326]" word that is used of the "10 [or 5] VirginS [PLURAL]" who will "go in WITH [G3326 - accompanying] Him to the wedding FEAST/SUPPER" (i.e. the EARTHLY MK age, commencing upon His RETURN to the earth)]



IOW, this passage says, "that WHETHER we might WATCH *OR* WHETHER we might sleep [meaning the same as those words did in verse 6, PER CONTEXT] we should live together WITH [G4862 - UNITED-with] Him" (and as said in relation to the previous part of the sentence/context, as I said);

...which wording (overall) is distinct from that which / the IDEA WHICH IS BEING CONVEYED which we see in the gospels and in the Olivet Discourse.


So this is my question to you, as to how you see this ^ "jiving" with what you have put, [...<snip>...(different convo)...]--when this passage seems to show that WHETHER ["this OR that"]____ , the same outcome is at the end of it, either way. [and note: I do not say the same level of "reward" at the BEMA of Christ ;) ]


[end quoting from old post, with slight modification for clarity for this post]

____________

2) [briefly] Matthew 24:42-51 parallel Lk12:36-37,38,40,42-44... "when he will RETURN FROM the wedding"... THEN the meal [G347; see Matt8:11 and parallel also]... same CONTEXT as the next entry I'll put next:

3) Matt24:36-41 (one taken, the other left... where "took them all away" refers to the ones taken away in judgment--just as in Noah's day) is pretty much parallel with the context surrounding Lk17:27,29 "and destroyed [G622 - cutting off entirely] ALL" [<--this is NOT what takes place following "our Rapture"... which is a different "[sudden] destruction [G3639 - ruination (like in 1Tim6:9 "ruin")] [shall come upon THEM (upon certain ones, per context) exactly like the INITIAL "birth PANG [SINGULAR]" (Jesus spoke of those[!] ) that comes upon a woman... and they shall NOT ESCAPE (flee out of - ekpheugo - G1628 [same word in Lk21:36--same future time-period--same "actively FLEE OUT OF" (throughout that time period)--different OUTCOME if / because they will heed the instruction of Lk21:36 [IN / DURING the TRIB yrs--NEITHER passage referring to US / the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY ;)])--in 1Th5 referring to the CERTAIN ONES that context [1Th5:1-3] was speaking about, but this is at the START of the Trib yrs]);

4) my posts about the parallel language used in both 2Th2:7b-8a [and 2Th1:7-9] that is found in Lam2:3-4...including "IN FLAMING FIRE"... conclusion (in those posts): this is speaking of a TIME PERIOD on the earth during which the "INFLICTING VENGEANCE ON those who..." [same persons and time period as 2Th2:9b,10-12 "God shall SEND TO THEM great delusion SO THAT THEY should believe the LIE / the FALSE / the PSEUDEI"] takes place... not merely "a singular 24-hr day" kind of "day"
Absolutely brilliant..(y)
 

Dino246

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I think the only time in the Bible where people were counting days was at Pentecost.
You are certainly welcome to think whatever you like, but your comment demonstrates a surprising ignorance of Scripture. Creation, the Sabbath, circumcision, Passover, and many other themes are related to the counting of days.
 

cv5

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#47
A few things I would say about this ^ (which I've put in past posts):

1)
[quoting from old post]


How do you believe the above ^ jives with the following passage (addressed TO/FOR/ABOUT "the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY," i.e. all those saved "in this present age [singular]"):


1 Thessalonians 5:6-10 [blb] - [explanation in brackets--note how the SAME Grk words are in vv.6 and 10... same words, same context]

6 So then we should not sleep [G2518 - katheudōmen] as the others,
but we should watch [G1127 - grēgorōmen] and we should be sober.

7 For those sleeping, sleep by night; and those becoming drunk, get drunk by night.

8 But we being of the day should be sober, having put on the breastplate of faith and love,
and the helmet, the hope of salvation [an eschatalogical salvation, per context],

9 because God has not destined us for wrath,
but for obtaining salvation through [/by means of] our Lord Jesus Christ,

10 the One having died for us, so that

whether we might watch [same Greek word as in verse 6! G1127 - grēgorōmen]

OR whether we might sleep [same Greek word as in verse 6! G2518 - katheudōmen--NOT meaning 'death' here as the OTHER Greek word does in the previous chpt! 4:13,14,15 (G2837- sleep in DEATH)],

we may live together with [G4862 - syn - UNIONed-with] Him.



[THIS "WITH [G4862]" word being distinct from the OTHER "with [G3326]" word that is used of the "10 [or 5] VirginS [PLURAL]" who will "go in WITH [G3326 - accompanying] Him to the wedding FEAST/SUPPER" (i.e. the EARTHLY MK age, commencing upon His RETURN to the earth)]



IOW, this passage says, "that WHETHER we might WATCH *OR* WHETHER we might sleep [meaning the same as those words did in verse 6, PER CONTEXT] we should live together WITH [G4862 - UNITED-with] Him" (and as said in relation to the previous part of the sentence/context, as I said);

...which wording (overall) is distinct from that which / the IDEA WHICH IS BEING CONVEYED which we see in the gospels and in the Olivet Discourse.


So this is my question to you, as to how you see this ^ "jiving" with what you have put, [...<snip>...(different convo)...]--when this passage seems to show that WHETHER ["this OR that"]____ , the same outcome is at the end of it, either way. [and note: I do not say the same level of "reward" at the BEMA of Christ ;) ]


[end quoting from old post, with slight modification for clarity for this post]

____________

2) [briefly] Matthew 24:42-51 parallel Lk12:36-37,38,40,42-44... "when he will RETURN FROM the wedding"... THEN the meal [G347; see Matt8:11 and parallel also]... same CONTEXT as the next entry I'll put next:

3) Matt24:36-41 (one taken, the other left... where "took them all away" refers to the ones taken away in judgment--just as in Noah's day) is pretty much parallel with the context surrounding Lk17:27,29 "and destroyed [G622 - cutting off entirely] ALL" [<--this is NOT what takes place following "our Rapture"... which is a different "[sudden] destruction [G3639 - ruination (like in 1Tim6:9 "ruin")] [shall come upon THEM (upon certain ones, per context) exactly like the INITIAL "birth PANG [SINGULAR]" (Jesus spoke of those[!] ) that comes upon a woman... and they shall NOT ESCAPE (flee out of - ekpheugo - G1628 [same word in Lk21:36--same future time-period--same "actively FLEE OUT OF" (throughout that time period)--different OUTCOME if / because they will heed the instruction of Lk21:36 [IN / DURING the TRIB yrs--NEITHER passage referring to US / the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY ;)])--in 1Th5 referring to the CERTAIN ONES that context [1Th5:1-3] was speaking about, but this is at the START of the Trib yrs]);

4) my posts about the parallel language used in both 2Th2:7b-8a [and 2Th1:7-9] that is found in Lam2:3-4...including "IN FLAMING FIRE"... conclusion (in those posts): this is speaking of a TIME PERIOD on the earth during which the "INFLICTING VENGEANCE ON those who..." [same persons and time period as 2Th2:9b,10-12 "God shall SEND TO THEM great delusion SO THAT THEY should believe the LIE / the FALSE / the PSEUDEI"] takes place... not merely "a singular 24-hr day" kind of "day"
<<<Matt 8:11 and parallel also>>>

Mat 8:11
And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven.

Luk 13:29
And they shall come from the east, and from the west, and from the north, and from the south, and shall sit down in the kingdom of God.
 

cv5

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I think the only time in the Bible where people were counting days was at Pentecost.
God is counting days too.....

Eze 24:1-2
Again in the ninth year, in the tenth month, in the tenth day of the month, the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
Son of man, write thee the name of the day, even of this same day: the king of Babylon set himself against Jerusalem this same day.

{Jer 52:4
And it came to pass in the ninth year of his reign, in the tenth month, in the tenth day of the month, that Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon came, he and all his army, against Jerusalem, and pitched against it, and built forts against it round about}.


Hag 2:10, 15
In the four and twentieth day of the ninth month, in the second year of Darius, came the word of the LORD by Haggai the prophet, saying,

And now, I pray you, consider from this day and upward, from before a stone was laid upon a stone in the temple of the LORD:

This would be the Desolations of Jerusalem, rather than the earlier Captivity of the Nation. Though both lasted 70 years.
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God marked off the PRECISE number of days that accord with Jerimiah's 70 years captivity prophecy of Jer 25:11-12.

And this whole land shall be a desolation, and an astonishment; and these nations shall serve the king of Babylon seventy years.
And it shall come to pass, when seventy years are accomplished, that I will punish the king of Babylon, and that nation, saith the LORD, for their iniquity, and the land of the Chaldeans, and will make it perpetual desolations
 
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Precious friends, for your Prayerful And Careful Consideration:

LORD JESUS, Please Grant us Thy Divine Help to understand Thy Word Of Truth,
Rightly Divided.
Amen.

Introduction:

The Day Of CHRIST:

Mystery” CHURCH: Designated as the “Heavenly” Day of CHRIST, Which Will
Be The Day Of the consummation of our salvation (into glorification!), And,
Presenting of our “rewards!”
(Philippians 1:6, 10, 2:16; 1 Corinthians 1:8, 3:8-15; 2 Corinthians 1:14).


Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That DIFFER!”:

Day Of The LORD:

Israel’s KINGDOM: Designated as the “Earthly” Day Of The LORD, which will be, first
of all, a day of Judgment to be followed by the establishment of the Kingdom!
(Isaiah 13:9-16, 24:21-23, 26:20-21, 34:1 to 35:10; Ezekiel 30:3; Joel 1:15, 2:1-11, 2:1-11;
Amos 5:16-20; Obadiah 1:15-21; Zephaniah 1:14-18; Zephaniah 14:1-21; Malachi 4:1-6;
Matthew 25:31-46; Acts 2:19-21)

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Part I {Article by C.R. Stam}:

The Day Of The LORD!

The Scriptures have much to Say about “the Day of The LORD,” but precisely what is
The Day of The LORD?


Generally speaking, of course, it refers to the time when the day of man, or “the times
of the Gentiles,” will be brought to an end, and “The LORD Alone Shall Be Exalted”
(Isaiah 2:11,17)
. But will it include more than the actual Return and Reign of CHRIST?
Will it include the prophesied tribulation period, during which God will bring Gentile
rule to an end? We believe it will.

One pastor who teaches that the Body of CHRIST will go through the tribulation
and that its Rapture to be with CHRIST will follow the tribulation, writes:

The Day of The LORD follows the tribulation and it is the day of the LORD’s​
wrath upon those who ‘know not God and obey not The Gospel of our
LORD JESUS CHRIST’” (2 Thessalonians 1:8). It comes as ‘a thief in the​
night,’ which is not so with the tribulation.”​

But this interpretation does not take into account ALL That Is Said In Scripture
about “The Day of The LORD”
— and contradicts some of it.

When our LORD Returns to earth In Person, “in flaming fire taking vengeance” and
“punishing” with “everlasting destruction,” HE will evidently dispatch His enemies
forthwith. There is no evidence that this will cover a protracted period of time.

Paul, describing the arrival of Day Of The LORD in 1 Thessalonians 5:1-3 says
nothing about The Personal Return of CHRIST, but he does describe a protracted
period of suffering and trouble. Read this statement carefully:

The Day of The LORD so cometh as a thief in the night, for when they shall say,​
Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon​
a woman with child; and they shall not escape.”​

First, note that the phrase “thief in the night” is not used to describe suddenness,
but unexpectedness. The thief plans his visit for the time when he will be least
expected. This phrase is so used of our LORD’s Return to earth in Matthew 24:43,44.

But 1 Thessalonians 5:1-3 states that the “destruction” of “The Day of The LORD
will also come as “a thief in the night.”

The Antichrist will have made a seven-year covenant with Israel and the world will
enjoy three and a half years of “peace and safety.” Then, unexpectedly, he will break
the covenant and defile the temple, plunging the nations into the most terrible
time of trouble they have ever experienced (See Daniel 9:27; 12:1; Matthew 24:21).

Actually God will take over as the “great tribulation” breaks, letting
the nations of the world bring their uncalled-for rebellion to a head.

Next, note the phrase, “as travail upon a woman with child.” When Antichrist
breaks his covenant with Israel “in the midst of the week” (Daniel 9:27),
“destruction” will break out suddenly. This does not mean, however, that it
will run its course in a moment. Rather, it will “come upon them” suddenly, and
run its course “as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.”

The travail of a woman with child takes time. The birth pangs
increase both in frequency and in intensity until the child is born.

This, we suggest, illustrates the “great tribulation” far more accurately than it does
the actual Return of CHRIST, for during the great tribulation the world’s troubles
will indeed increase both in frequency and intensity “and they shall not escape.”

This “destruction,” to take place during “The Day of The LORD,” will overtake
the world of the ungodly unexpectedly, just when they are congratulating
themselves as having attained “Peace and safety!” (1 Thessalonians 5:3).

Now please think carefully. Will anyone be saying, “Peace and safety” at the
close of the “great tribulation”? Will anyone rejoice in “Peace and safety”
as the battle of Armageddon rages? How, then, can this passage about
The Day of The LORD” refer only to the Return of CHRIST, after the tribulation?

But when we see that “The Day of The LORD” begins with,
rather than after the tribulation, all is in order.

As we know, the seven years of the tribulation will begin with the rider on the
“white horse” (Revelation 6:1,2 — evidently Antichrist cp. Revelation 19:11 —
The True CHRIST!
), who goes forth “conquering and to conquer.” Like Antiochus
Epiphanes, he will “come in peaceably, and obtain the kingdom by flatteries”
(Daniel 11:21). All will go well for him and he will bring to the world a kind of peace
that will win him universal allegiance. “Peace and safety!” the world will exclaim.

But of the rider on the next horse we read: “and power was given to him that sat
thereon to take peace from the earth” (Revelation 6:4). Then follow war, famine
and death (Verses 3-8).

This “destruction” will come suddenly when, after three and a half years
(“in the midst of the week”), Antichrist will betray Israel and break his seven-year
covenant with them (Daniel 9:27), and will, like Antiochus Epiphanes, desecrate
the temple (Daniel 9:27; 11:31; Matthew 24:15; 2 Thessalonians 2:3,4).

There we have it! Our “post-tribulation” brethren say that “The Day of The LORD follows
the tribulation.” Paul, in 1 Thessalonians 5:1-3, makes it clear that The Day of The LORD
includes the tribulation. They have men in the closing, most terrible hours of the
tribulation saying, “Peace and safety!” They have The LORD’s Speedy Judgment of
the ungodly described by“travail upon a woman with child”!

No, the Rapture of the Body of CHRIST to be With HIM will not follow the tribulation;
it will precede it. Thus the Apostle Paul, after writing about the Rapture of the Body
in 1 Thessalonians 4, continues in Chapter 5 with The Word “But,” to show the
disrelation of God’s prophesied “times and seasons” and “The Day of The LORD,” From
That Blessed Day {Of CHRIST}, for which every believer should be “looking, waiting, And
watching!”


Wherefore comfort one another with These Words” (1 Thessalonians 4:18), and be not
soon troubled”
(2 Thessalonians 2:2), for like the Thessalonian believers we are to
“serve the living and true God, and to wait for HIS SON from heaven…Who Hath
Delivered us from the wrath to come” (1 Thessalonians 1:9,10).

to be continued...
False doctrine you are promoting for it is contrary to the word's of the LORD.

1 Thess 4:13-18
But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope.

For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus.

For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep.

For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God.
And the dead in Christ will rise first.
Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.
Therefore comfort one another with these words

No rapture before the Resurrection which occurs at His Coming and not anytime before His Coming.

Anyone who preaches and teaches other then these words of our LORD JESUS CHRIST is in error and sin.
 
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No Day is so great, or so terrible, or so glorious as The Day of the Lord. When the Lord returns at the end of the Tribulation the Sheep/Goat Judgement takes place and this judgement has no grace. Based on works for those who have helped the jews fleeing Jerusalem. But the Day of the Lord as well as all prophecy has a time element. When you figure it out you will be amazed!