Ham saw his father naked, why Noah cursed Canaan (Son of Ham) instead of Ham?

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GENESIS 9:20-25
20 And Noah began to be an husbandman, and he planted a vineyard:

21 And he drank of the wine, and was drunken; and he was uncovered within his tent.

22 And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, and told his two brethren without.

23 And Shem and Japheth took a garment, and laid it upon both their shoulders, and went backward, and covered the nakedness of their father; and their faces were backward, and they saw not their father's nakedness.

24 And Noah awoke from his wine, and knew what his younger son had done unto him.

25 And he said, Cursed be Canaan; a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren.
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In this story (Genesis 9:20-25), God is Speaking in Parables.
PSALMS 78:2
2 I will open my mouth in a parable: I will utter dark sayings of old:
EZEKIEL 20:49
49 Then said I, Ah Lord God! they say of me, Doth he not speak parables?

If in Man's very clear understanding that Canaan is a biological Son of Ham.
This is what our Lord God said.
PROVERBS 3:5
5 Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.

Because God is not referring to Canaan as a biological Son of Ham but it is the SOUL of Ham.
DEUTORONOMY 13:6
6 If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers;
 
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In this story (Genesis 9:20-25), God is Speaking in Parables.
PSALMS 78:2
2 I will open my mouth in a parable: I will utter dark sayings of old:
EZEKIEL 20:49
49 Then said I, Ah Lord God! they say of me, Doth he not speak parables?

If in Man's very clear understanding that Canaan is a biological Son of Ham.
This is what our Lord God said.
PROVERBS 3:5
5 Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.

Because God is not referring to Canaan as a biological Son of Ham but it is the SOUL of Ham.
DEUTORONOMY 13:6
6 If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers;
You seem to treat the entire Bible as parables because of a couple of specific passages (that aren’t talking about all of the Bible). Because of that, your conclusion is incorrect.

Any time you disagree with someone, you quote Proverbs 3:5 and imply they are leaning on their own understanding; that is arrogant on your part. Your understanding is no more enlightened than anyone else’s, especially when your hermeneutical method is fundamentally flawed.
 

Godsgood

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You seem to treat the entire Bible as parables because of a couple of specific passages (that aren’t talking about all of the Bible). Because of that, your conclusion is incorrect.

Any time you disagree with someone, you quote Proverbs 3:5 and imply they are leaning on their own understanding; that is arrogant on your part. Your understanding is no more enlightened than anyone else’s, especially when your hermeneutical method is fundamentally flawed.
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I'm not here to agree and disagree nor to enlightened anybody.
I'm here to share the Truth that I learned from God.

God gave the warning in Proverbs 3:5
It is not my opinion but God said he is Speaking in Parables (Psalms 78:2 & Ezekiel 20:49)
And our Lord Jesus showed what is Parable.

For Example TEMPLE.
Man's understanding = Literal Temple (Churches, Cathedrals, Chapels...) as the Jews said.
God's meaning = Body of Christ.
JOHN 2:13-21
13 And the Jews' passover was at hand, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem.
14 And found in the temple those that sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the changers of money sitting:
15 And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers' money, and overthrew the tables;
16 And said unto them that sold doves, Take these things hence; make not my Father's house an house of merchandise.
17 And his disciples remembered that it was written, The zeal of thine house hath eaten me up.
18 Then answered the Jews and said unto him, What sign shewest thou unto us, seeing that thou doest these things?
19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
21 But he spake of the temple of his body.

Another Example is LEAVEN
Man's understanding Leaven is for Bread
God's meaning is Wrong Doctrines.
MATTHEW 16:6-12
6 Then Jesus said unto them, Take heed and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees.
7 And they reasoned among themselves, saying, It is because we have taken no bread.
8 Which when Jesus perceived, he said unto them, O ye of little faith, why reason ye among yourselves, because ye have brought no bread?
9 Do ye not yet understand, neither remember the five loaves of the five thousand, and how many baskets ye took up?
10 Neither the seven loaves of the four thousand, and how many baskets ye took up?
11 How is it that ye do not understand that I spake it not to you concerning bread, that ye should beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees?
12 Then understood they how that he bade them not beware of the leaven of bread, but of the doctrine of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees.
 

Dino246

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I'm not here to agree and disagree nor to enlightened anybody.
I'm here to share the Truth that I learned from God.

God gave the warning in Proverbs 3:5
It is not my opinion but God said he is Speaking in Parables (Psalms 78:2 & Ezekiel 20:49)
And our Lord Jesus showed what is Parable.
All good, but what you need to acknowledge is that not everything is a parable. Further, "leaning not on your own understanding" does not mean abandoning the intellect that God gave you, nor does it mean that we (fellow Christians) are unable to understand God's word.

So, instead of effectively treating everyone else here as a carnal idiot, try humbling yourself and engaging in real conversation.