Hardshell & Primitive Baptist "Conditional Time Salvation" Warning
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Evil generation doesn't mean barbaric, it means people having the word of God , reading the scriptures but still don't understand it. Vikings and Mongols are by far righteous compared to a generation that spends more of their time in churches but still do not understand God.
Gordon Fee is not an apostle and was not appointed by God at any time.
When God tell His people to get out of Babylon (Rev 18), does He mean tribal Jews should get out of Syria or the church to get its way straight? well, that was all Jeremiah prophesied. Take it or leave it.
Gordon Fee is not an apostle and was not appointed by God at any time.
When God tell His people to get out of Babylon (Rev 18), does He mean tribal Jews should get out of Syria or the church to get its way straight? well, that was all Jeremiah prophesied. Take it or leave it.
In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,(Ephesians 1:13)
Notice the sequence in the above verse. They trusted after they heard the word of truth, the gospel of their salvation. After this, they were sealed with the Spirit.
Notice the sequence in the above verse. They trusted after they heard the word of truth, the gospel of their salvation. After this, they were sealed with the Spirit.
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Do you know what private interpretation s mean here, that "
Not hardly an assumption, it's a fact, and you're fully aware of it. It's the entire reason you're on this forum which is why I exposed and refuted your false gospel that saves no one.
The sad thing, if God doesn't intervene, you'll come back from your vacation just as deceived, if not more deceived as when you left.
Not hardly an assumption, it's a fact, and you're fully aware of it. It's the entire reason you're on this forum which is why I exposed and refuted your false gospel that saves no one.
The sad thing, if God doesn't intervene, you'll come back from your vacation just as deceived, if not more deceived as when you left.
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I've yet to see where you asked this. Point me to the post.
Speaking of ignoring, you've ignored nearly every text that dismantles your false gospel and nearly every other question in this thread.
Look in your book, the answer is in there. The "I don't follow man" disease is unbiblical and arrogant and you're in the latter stages.
Speaking of ignoring, you've ignored nearly every text that dismantles your false gospel and nearly every other question in this thread.
Look in your book, the answer is in there. The "I don't follow man" disease is unbiblical and arrogant and you're in the latter stages.
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The KJV is not inspired my friend. Let me put it like this...
Say God moves me to write something that is inspired and considered to be scripture(we know that isn't possible but I am writing this to show you something). That which I wrote on paper would be considered inspired. Over the years people make copies of it. Then someone in Germany translated it into German. Those who have my writings in the German language have a copy of my inspired scriptures, but those copies are not inspired themselves.
That's the same way with any version of the bible. Biblical inspiration means they were inspired in the originals, but the copies are not.
Say God moves me to write something that is inspired and considered to be scripture(we know that isn't possible but I am writing this to show you something). That which I wrote on paper would be considered inspired. Over the years people make copies of it. Then someone in Germany translated it into German. Those who have my writings in the German language have a copy of my inspired scriptures, but those copies are not inspired themselves.
That's the same way with any version of the bible. Biblical inspiration means they were inspired in the originals, but the copies are not.
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When a preacher preaches or teaches God's word, he doesn't just get up there and quote a bunch of scriptures and then sits down, but expounds on what those verses are truly saying. They are giving you/us a verbal commentary of the bible.
If you reject commentaries because they are the works of men, you have to reject sermons as well, as sermons follow the same principle(s) written commentaries do my friend.
If you reject commentaries because they are the works of men, you have to reject sermons as well, as sermons follow the same principle(s) written commentaries do my friend.
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Ephesians 4:11-16
11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:
16 From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.
How can a person say that there are whole societies of people that are saved that have NO knowledge of Christ or even what the Faith is?
John 6:44-47
44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.
46 Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.
47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.
I guess no one can skip that step of coming to Christ and still be saved. How can a person believe in Christ if they have never heard of who Christ is and what He has done?
Very strange to say you believe what the bible says and yet still have a theology that teaches against what Christ has Said.
11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:
16 From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.
How can a person say that there are whole societies of people that are saved that have NO knowledge of Christ or even what the Faith is?
John 6:44-47
44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.
46 Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.
47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.
I guess no one can skip that step of coming to Christ and still be saved. How can a person believe in Christ if they have never heard of who Christ is and what He has done?
Very strange to say you believe what the bible says and yet still have a theology that teaches against what Christ has Said.
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Agreed.
Paul said the same thing in the inspired Scripture: Romans 10:5-21
The PB's say "Oh, contraire!!!" and deny God's Word via putting their own spin on it. They are "the enlightened ones" the "neo-Gnostics" having received "special revelation"...which contradicts the word of God. It is another gospel.
Paul said the same thing in the inspired Scripture: Romans 10:5-21
The PB's say "Oh, contraire!!!" and deny God's Word via putting their own spin on it. They are "the enlightened ones" the "neo-Gnostics" having received "special revelation"...which contradicts the word of God. It is another gospel.
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Once again "preacher" has led his "flock" down the broad road.
Baptists are like Baskin-Robbins, there are about 31 flavors of them but they are all baptists who believe in the basics of Christianity. Some like old way, like foot washing, some prefer to be conservative and some have become quite liberal, like the American Baptist group. In 1832 there was a rash of unbibical teachings infiltrating the mainline churches, and this group of Baptists met at Black Rock Maryland to lay down some guidelines for themselves. They basically hold to the doctrines of grace with some diverting to the free will side of the aisle in the 20th century. To mock and savage the characters and faith of these people is nothing short of an attack by Satan on people of faith.
Generally speaking, groups that identify themselves as Primitive Baptists fit within the ranks of orthodox Christianity. As with most church groups, however, Primitive Baptists espouse a spectrum of beliefs that cannot be pinned down in one article. The word Primitive in their name refers to their desire to adhere to the original teachings and methods of the early church rather than the newer traditions that have accumulated over the years. The Primitive Baptists have also been called “Particular Baptists,” “Regular Baptists,” “Old School Baptists,” and “Hardshell Baptists,” though “Primitive” has become the preferred name in most cases.
The Primitive Baptists first became an identifiable group after meetings in Black Rock, Maryland, in 1832, in which they expressed concerns about extra-biblical groups like tract societies, Sunday schools, cooperative missions programs, and theological training schools. After the Black Rock meeting, the Primitive Baptists separated from all such “innovations,” claiming to follow only the New Testament model for church practice. Primitive Baptists are strongly Calvinistic, but they do not apply that term to themselves, preferring to be identified as predestinarian. Primitive Baptists are to be distinguished from Missionary Baptists, General Baptists, and Southern Baptists, being more devoted to the 'free will' theory, although they all share a common lineage.
Baptists are like Baskin-Robbins, there are about 31 flavors of them but they are all baptists who believe in the basics of Christianity. Some like old way, like foot washing, some prefer to be conservative and some have become quite liberal, like the American Baptist group. In 1832 there was a rash of unbibical teachings infiltrating the mainline churches, and this group of Baptists met at Black Rock Maryland to lay down some guidelines for themselves. They basically hold to the doctrines of grace with some diverting to the free will side of the aisle in the 20th century. To mock and savage the characters and faith of these people is nothing short of an attack by Satan on people of faith.
Generally speaking, groups that identify themselves as Primitive Baptists fit within the ranks of orthodox Christianity. As with most church groups, however, Primitive Baptists espouse a spectrum of beliefs that cannot be pinned down in one article. The word Primitive in their name refers to their desire to adhere to the original teachings and methods of the early church rather than the newer traditions that have accumulated over the years. The Primitive Baptists have also been called “Particular Baptists,” “Regular Baptists,” “Old School Baptists,” and “Hardshell Baptists,” though “Primitive” has become the preferred name in most cases.
The Primitive Baptists first became an identifiable group after meetings in Black Rock, Maryland, in 1832, in which they expressed concerns about extra-biblical groups like tract societies, Sunday schools, cooperative missions programs, and theological training schools. After the Black Rock meeting, the Primitive Baptists separated from all such “innovations,” claiming to follow only the New Testament model for church practice. Primitive Baptists are strongly Calvinistic, but they do not apply that term to themselves, preferring to be identified as predestinarian. Primitive Baptists are to be distinguished from Missionary Baptists, General Baptists, and Southern Baptists, being more devoted to the 'free will' theory, although they all share a common lineage.
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Um...not quite.
Care to address the false doctrine espoused by PB's or do you just want to attack your straw man and tie it with your outright false accusations? It appears all the times I've corrected you online has left you with quite the grudge.
Do show us all where I've lead any down a false road. You've said it happened "once again" so show the evidence or put an end to the above.
The teachings that the PB's and ForestGreenCook espouse are not orthodox unless you also buy its false gospel. Quoting a source that only supplies the rosy part of the PB's isn't true as is no half-truth. It conveniently, like yourself, only presents what it likes to present.
The PB cult began around the time of William Carey's mission endeavors and that's when its errant gospel began.
You really have a serious problem of not knowing what you're talking about. A lot.
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Note this:
"Generally speaking, groups that identify themselves as Primitive Baptists fit within the ranks of orthodox Christianity."
Oh, GraceandHalfTruth left off this portion of the article:
"However, some Primitive Baptists emphasize predestination to the extent that they say the elect are saved by God’s grace, even if they have never heard the gospel—a teaching that comes close to universalism. As with any church, it is wise to do some research into its history, practices, and teachings before joining."
The underlined isn't orthodox Christianity, and once any group begins doing this, it is no longer orthodox.
Convenient, wasn't it, how she copied everything but that portion which was on the same page? Seems GraceandHalfTruth likes to stack the deck, give out part of the story, in addition to her false accusations, and attempt to slander.
https://www.gotquestions.org/Primitive-Baptists.html
"Generally speaking, groups that identify themselves as Primitive Baptists fit within the ranks of orthodox Christianity."
Oh, GraceandHalfTruth left off this portion of the article:
"However, some Primitive Baptists emphasize predestination to the extent that they say the elect are saved by God’s grace, even if they have never heard the gospel—a teaching that comes close to universalism. As with any church, it is wise to do some research into its history, practices, and teachings before joining."
The underlined isn't orthodox Christianity, and once any group begins doing this, it is no longer orthodox.
Convenient, wasn't it, how she copied everything but that portion which was on the same page? Seems GraceandHalfTruth likes to stack the deck, give out part of the story, in addition to her false accusations, and attempt to slander.
https://www.gotquestions.org/Primitive-Baptists.html
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Um...not quite.
Care to address the false doctrine espoused by PB's or do you just want to attack your straw man and tie it with your outright false accusations? It appears all the times I've corrected you online has left you with quite the grudge.
Do show us all where I've lead any down a false road. You've said it happened "once again" so show the evidence or put an end to the above.
The teachings that the PB's and ForestGreenCook espouse are not orthodox unless you also buy its false gospel. Quoting a source that only supplies the rosy part of the PB's isn't true as is no half-truth. It conveniently, like yourself, only presents what it likes to present.
The PB cult began around the time of William Carey's mission endeavors and that's when its errant gospel began.
You really have a serious problem of not knowing what you're talking about. A lot.