Hardshell & Primitive Baptist "Conditional Time Salvation" Warning
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My apologies if it appears I've been too harsh with GraceandTruth.
Yet, whenever a professing believer slanders another without evidence, without cause, bearing false witness, and conveniently and purposely leaves off information to paint a picture of how they want it to appear?
Well then...
Yet, whenever a professing believer slanders another without evidence, without cause, bearing false witness, and conveniently and purposely leaves off information to paint a picture of how they want it to appear?
Well then...
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I have been a Baptist for a long, long time. As a child, I went to Baptist Sunday School, sang in the children's choir. Of course, I knew nothing about doctrine, I was just glad to be there, and thankful for all the weekly Bible verses I memorized, that were hidden in my heart, and kept coming back to me, and drew me, along with the Holy Spirit, to Christ.
I went back to being a Baptist in 2005. Because of moving, I have been in three different denominations, or conventions/conferences. They have some slight variations, on side issues, but identical when it comes to soteriology, and basic fundamentals of the faith.
These PB are totally off the wall, from what I have read here. It is kind of a twisted universalist cult! Non-Biblical, and far from orthodoxy. I attended a Southern Baptist seminary, and we had students from every denomination in Canada. Many shades of Baptist, Mennonites, Lutherans, Anglicans, and charismatics, believe it or not. Some of those groups believe in infant baptism, but they had to study believers' baptism. But, they were allowed to believe what they wanted, provided it did not compromise essentials. Like a high Christology, the Trinity, that God saves us. We would talk, and we all agreed. Even the Arminians believe that God, and God alone initiates salvation, contrary to what people here have posted.
Point being, someone from a cult is here posting things that are totally unbiblical, and others defending him. He is here to make converts to PB, and NO, they do not agree with any Baptist group I have heard about!
I went back to being a Baptist in 2005. Because of moving, I have been in three different denominations, or conventions/conferences. They have some slight variations, on side issues, but identical when it comes to soteriology, and basic fundamentals of the faith.
These PB are totally off the wall, from what I have read here. It is kind of a twisted universalist cult! Non-Biblical, and far from orthodoxy. I attended a Southern Baptist seminary, and we had students from every denomination in Canada. Many shades of Baptist, Mennonites, Lutherans, Anglicans, and charismatics, believe it or not. Some of those groups believe in infant baptism, but they had to study believers' baptism. But, they were allowed to believe what they wanted, provided it did not compromise essentials. Like a high Christology, the Trinity, that God saves us. We would talk, and we all agreed. Even the Arminians believe that God, and God alone initiates salvation, contrary to what people here have posted.
Point being, someone from a cult is here posting things that are totally unbiblical, and others defending him. He is here to make converts to PB, and NO, they do not agree with any Baptist group I have heard about!
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What Primitive Baptists Believe
10. Don't you believe that the preaching of the gospel is God's ordained means of bringing eternal salvation to the sinner?
No, only by the direct operation of the Holy Spirit can eternal life be brought to the dead sinner (John 3:6-8). The gospel brings life and immortality to light, but does not produce life (II Tim.1: 10).
11. How then do you explain I Corinthians 1:21 and passages like it?
The text says, "For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe." Please notice, that the one saved by the gospel is a believer, one who believes in God, one who has already been born again; he is not an alien sinner.
12. Why is it that Primitive Baptists do not send out missionaries?
First, we believe that since preaching is not designed to make people ready for a home in Heaven, it is not necessary to send men across the seas in order to "save souls." The Lord put gifts in the church (Eph. 4:11) and there is no mention of a missionary. Furthermore, the gifts that the Lord did put in the church were not put there for the purpose of saving souls but "for the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ" (Eph. 4:12).
Secondly, we believe that gospel ministers should go where they are directed by the Spirit and not by a mission board (Acts 20:22-23). Primitive Baptists believe that if the Lord impresses one of His servants to go to a foreign land to preach the gospel, he ought to go at once and not wait for someone to pay his way.
Full textus:
https://www.milanpbc.org/Doctrine/What_Primitive_Baptists_Believe/
10. Don't you believe that the preaching of the gospel is God's ordained means of bringing eternal salvation to the sinner?
No, only by the direct operation of the Holy Spirit can eternal life be brought to the dead sinner (John 3:6-8). The gospel brings life and immortality to light, but does not produce life (II Tim.1: 10).
11. How then do you explain I Corinthians 1:21 and passages like it?
The text says, "For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe." Please notice, that the one saved by the gospel is a believer, one who believes in God, one who has already been born again; he is not an alien sinner.
12. Why is it that Primitive Baptists do not send out missionaries?
First, we believe that since preaching is not designed to make people ready for a home in Heaven, it is not necessary to send men across the seas in order to "save souls." The Lord put gifts in the church (Eph. 4:11) and there is no mention of a missionary. Furthermore, the gifts that the Lord did put in the church were not put there for the purpose of saving souls but "for the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ" (Eph. 4:12).
Secondly, we believe that gospel ministers should go where they are directed by the Spirit and not by a mission board (Acts 20:22-23). Primitive Baptists believe that if the Lord impresses one of His servants to go to a foreign land to preach the gospel, he ought to go at once and not wait for someone to pay his way.
Full textus:
https://www.milanpbc.org/Doctrine/What_Primitive_Baptists_Believe/
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Sheep = God's elect. My Sheep hear my voice and I call them by name. Those who have ears to hear, let them hear. The natural man, as described in 1 Cor 2:14 does not have spiritual ears to hear. Eph 1:5 - says that the natural man was yet (spiritually) dead in sins when God regenerated him, then he believed and trusted. 2 Cor 1:21-22 - Now he which stablisheth us with you in Christ (regeneration), and hath anointed us, is God WHO HATH ALSO sealed (stamped) us, and given the earnest (part payment or deposit) of the Spirit in our hearts. First- regenerated.(given the ability to discern spiritual things). Second - Believed and trusted. And hath also - sealed us and given us the earnest of the Spirit.
Um...not quite.
Care to address the false doctrine espoused by PB's or do you just want to attack your straw man and tie it with your outright false accusations? It appears all the times I've corrected you online has left you with quite the grudge.
Do show us all where I've lead any down a false road. You've said it happened "once again" so show the evidence or put an end to the above.
The teachings that the PB's and ForestGreenCook espouse are not orthodox unless you also buy its false gospel. Quoting a source that only supplies the rosy part of the PB's isn't true as is no half-truth. It conveniently, like yourself, only presents what it likes to present.
The PB cult began around the time of William Carey's mission endeavors and that's when its errant gospel began.
You really have a serious problem of not knowing what you're talking about. A lot.
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Ok simple question how is he doing this? Is it not God’s will to spread the Gospel? Dose not God have men and women of faith preach through the Holy Spirit. Look at the Scriptures.
Matthew 28:16-20 New American Standard Bible (NASB)
The Great Commission
16 But the eleven disciples proceeded to Galilee, to the mountain which Jesus had designated. 17 When they saw Him, they worshiped Him; but some were doubtful. 18 And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. 19 Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all that I commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.”
Look FGC even this part is not fully completed.
There are just over 7 billion people in the world nearly 4.4 billion are unreached . Over 1600 distinct language do not have a translation of the Bible.
How are we making disciples as Christ has said . God would not send folks on a fools errand. There is a reason for his still uncompleted command.
Blessings
Bill
Matthew 28:16-20 New American Standard Bible (NASB)
The Great Commission
16 But the eleven disciples proceeded to Galilee, to the mountain which Jesus had designated. 17 When they saw Him, they worshiped Him; but some were doubtful. 18 And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. 19 Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all that I commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.”
Look FGC even this part is not fully completed.
There are just over 7 billion people in the world nearly 4.4 billion are unreached . Over 1600 distinct language do not have a translation of the Bible.
How are we making disciples as Christ has said . God would not send folks on a fools errand. There is a reason for his still uncompleted command.
Blessings
Bill
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I've never taught that God wants to eternally save everyone. Most everyone here knows this.
You need to learn to stop bearing false witness, not only on others and myself but on God's Gospel as well. OK? You really should stop your fibbing and learn top tell the truth like I have about you and your PB heresy.
But I am here to dismantle your heretical false gospel with Scripture and will prove to his elect God saves through the means of His Gospel, and that that salvation is eternal life, not some skewed prosperity gospel of salvation from circumstances in this life only.
In fact I've already destroyed your false gospel message in posts 149-150. But there is more.
You need to learn to stop bearing false witness, not only on others and myself but on God's Gospel as well. OK? You really should stop your fibbing and learn top tell the truth like I have about you and your PB heresy.
But I am here to dismantle your heretical false gospel with Scripture and will prove to his elect God saves through the means of His Gospel, and that that salvation is eternal life, not some skewed prosperity gospel of salvation from circumstances in this life only.
In fact I've already destroyed your false gospel message in posts 149-150. But there is more.
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