Has anyone found secret messages in the bible?

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NTNT58

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Recently I came across this video on Youtube where the guy uses software to count number of occurrences of certain words in the bible and the King James version is just FILLED completely with all kinds of secret messages.


I downloaded the software (King James Pure Bible Search) and went to work... so far I found prophet Muhammad's birth and death year:oops:

I looked up all occurrences and variations of the words false, prophet and Ishmaelite. I got 633 occurences in 570 verses.

false|falsely|falsehood
prophet|prophet's|prophets|
ishmaelite|ishmael|ishmael's|ishmaelites

Now I'm wondering if it's just a coincidence/confirmation bias.

The guy's Youtube channel has a lot of other videos with countless other encoded formulas that make it just about impossible to dismiss the whole thing as coincidence or conspiracy.
 

Ted01

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Here's a secret that many do not see...

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
 

ResidentAlien

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I downloaded the software (King James Pure Bible Search) and went to work... so far I found prophet Muhammad's birth and death year:oops:

I looked up all occurrences and variations of the words false, prophet and Ishmaelite. I got 633 occurences in 570 verses.

false|falsely|falsehood
prophet|prophet's|prophets|
ishmaelite|ishmael|ishmael's|ishmaelites

Now I'm wondering if it's just a coincidence/confirmation bias.

The guy's Youtube channel has a lot of other videos with countless other encoded formulas that make it just about impossible to dismiss the whole thing as coincidence or conspiracy.
So how does this work? You found 633 occurrences and 530 verses. What are we supposed to conclude from this? What's the hidden message? Other than there are 633 occurrences and 530 verses.
 

seekingthemindofChrist

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I found a hidden message in the KJV that many on this website, and especially in the BDF, have apparently missed.

In fact, it is hidden in more than one verse of scripture.

Being the nice guy that I am, I will bold-face it for everyone to see in this one example:

Acts 26:10

"Which thing I also did in Jerusalem: and many of the saints did I shut up in prison, having received authority from the chief priests; and when they were put to death, I gave my voice against them."

You're welcome.

:whistle:

(My sincere apologies to God for joking about his word, but some people here truly need to hear this message)
 

Adstar

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I downloaded the software (King James Pure Bible Search) and went to work... so far I found prophet Muhammad's birth and death year:oops:
Impossible because muhammad was never a prophet... Any Christian who calls this evil man a prophet is acknowledging his teachings as the inspired word of God and should be ignored..
 

Aaron56

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So how does this work? You found 633 occurrences and 530 verses. What are we supposed to conclude from this? What's the hidden message? Other than there are 633 occurrences and 530 verses.
Well...
633 - 530 is 103.
Psalm 103 verse 7
(because 7 is the number for perfection) states "He made known his ways to Moses, his deeds to the people of Israel..."
Conclusively: we are still under the Law and must obey it.
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Obviously.
 

Godsgirl1983

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I found a hidden message in the KJV that many on this website, and especially in the BDF, have apparently missed...

shut up
:whistle: ...

(My sincere apologies to God for joking about his word, but some people here truly need to hear this message)

And suddenly, (after not hearing this in years) this song instantly started running through my mind



Words and music by Bob Hartman
Based on Matthew 7:3, 5, James 1:2, Matthew 5:16

Too many black sheep in the family
Too many stones from a house of glass
They've heard the story, they've heard the lines
But talk is too cheap to change their minds
They want to see some vital signs

Convictions - in the way we live
Convictions - not a narrative
Actions speak a little louder than words

Seen and not heard, seen and not heard
Sometimes God's children should be seen and not heard
There's too much talk and not enough walk
Sometimes God's children should be seen and not heard

Delayed reaction to hostility
Brings us into reality
Cause when we answer in our defense
They can see through the false pretense
They want to see some evidence

Commitment - no more alibis
Commitment - not a compromise
Actions speak a little louder than words

Let your light so shine in all you do
With an answer near when they come to you
Don't let your mouth start talkin'
Until your feet start walkin'
 

p_rehbein

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YES!

But......shhhh........I read the back of the Bible and...........................we win......but shhhhhh
 

Dino246

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There is enough material in the plain text of Scripture to satisfy a lifetime of dedicated investigation, study, and application. Playing at numerology with any translation is just a distraction... not inherently wrong, but of no more spiritual benefit than watching your team's latest game.

There MAY be "hidden messages" in Scripture, but if they aren't in the original languages, THEY AREN'T THERE AT ALL.
 

maxwel

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There is enough material in the plain text of Scripture to satisfy a lifetime of dedicated investigation, study, and application. Playing at numerology with any translation is just a distraction... not inherently wrong, but of no more spiritual benefit than watching your team's latest game.

There MAY be "hidden messages" in Scripture, but if they aren't in the original languages, THEY AREN'T THERE AT ALL.
This.

.
 

selahsays

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I found a hidden message in the KJV that many on this website, and especially in the BDF, have apparently missed.

In fact, it is hidden in more than one verse of scripture.

Being the nice guy that I am, I will bold-face it for everyone to see in this one example:

Acts 26:10

"Which thing I also did in Jerusalem: and many of the saints did I shut up in prison, having received authority from the chief priests; and when they were put to death, I gave my voice against them."

You're welcome.

:whistle:

(My sincere apologies to God for joking about his word, but some people here truly need to hear this message)
Yes! Paul was a mean ol’ Pharisee before his conversion.
 

montana123

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I do not believe there are hidden messages in the Bible but God plainly told us all things.

If God covered all there is to know then why hidden messages.

Someone will say to prove God's word is true but our salvation is based on faith so why have hidden messages.

God said produce your cause, bring forth your strong reasons, and prove that your religion, and god is true by telling the end from the beginning which He said no person will be able to do that which is how He proves His word is true and He is the true God.

God told us the whole history of mankind from Adam and Eve to the beast kingdom when He puts down sin, and the saints being at the New Jerusalem for eternity.

God showed us all 8 kingdoms on Earth starting with Egypt, and ending with the beast kingdom.

God warns us of the new age movement that shall deceive the world, and they will follow the New Age Christ, antichrist.

Why would God tell us of Obama, or Biden, or Saddam Hussein, and if He wanted to do that then He would of told us plainly of it.

We do not need to know anything but what the Bible already told us and that is sufficient.

It is like people saying Jesus is coming on this date and it does not happen which stop doing that for He said you will not know so it would not be given to by God so where did you come up with that date.

It is like Mary Baxter that said she visited hell and wrote a book detailing it.

And many people that said they visited hell and heaven but it is not true.

God already told us what hell is like which is hot and dark so there does not have to be anybody else to tell us about hell.

And John described heaven so no one else has to tell us about it.

Some people might want to get attention, and sell books.

I read on a website someone say they are the Word of God, and another person they are one of the 144,000 people in the book of Revelation, and another person they are one of the 2 witnesses, and another person they are the 3rd eagle of the apocalypse, and co-prophet of the end times.

None of that is true.

And many people claiming they are a prophet, and greatly used by God for the purpose of attention, and try to convince people they are special.

But that is human nature wanting attention, and to try to convince people they are special.

But some people actually believe the falsehood which they could be motivated by arrogance although not realizing it for they would not want to admit but believe in their falsehood.
 

NTNT58

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So how does this work? You found 633 occurrences and 530 verses. What are we supposed to conclude from this? What's the hidden message? Other than there are 633 occurrences and 530 verses.
What are the chances of all variations of the word "false", "prophet" and "ishmaelite" occuring exactly the same number of times as the birth and death year of the biggest false prophet known to the world today, who also happen to be an Ishmaelite?
 

NTNT58

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Impossible because muhammad was never a prophet... Any Christian who calls this evil man a prophet is acknowledging his teachings as the inspired word of God and should be ignored..
He was *FALSE* prophet. I'm pretty sure that was clearly included.
 

NTNT58

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YES!

But......shhhh........I read the back of the Bible and...........................we win......but shhhhhh
Yeah, but how you gonna prove it to the other side?
 

NTNT58

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There is enough material in the plain text of Scripture to satisfy a lifetime of dedicated investigation, study, and application. Playing at numerology with any translation is just a distraction... not inherently wrong, but of no more spiritual benefit than watching your team's latest game.

There MAY be "hidden messages" in Scripture, but if they aren't in the original languages, THEY AREN'T THERE AT ALL.
Watch the video and tell us what are the chances of that happening...

Also, that's not what numerology means.

Also, who are you to tell God that divine messages must be in original language?:rolleyes: That's the whole point, anyone writing the original language could theoretically encode secret messages, but only God can do it in a future translation, using language that didn't exist at the time.
 

hornetguy

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You are conflating numerology with prophecy. Numerology is belief in a divine relationship between a number and an event. Prophecy is simply a message of warning.
No, I'm not confused at all.... if you are looking for hidden prophecy in numbers, that's numerology....
 

ResidentAlien

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What are the chances of all variations of the word "false", "prophet" and "ishmaelite" occuring exactly the same number of times as the birth and death year of the biggest false prophet known to the world today, who also happen to be an Ishmaelite?
I don't know. Do you? You can't really say it's a "secret message" without doing a large number of experiments with other totally unrelated words. Then you might be able to say if it's more than chance. I actually did the same test you did with the online version of the software and got a much lower number. I think it was 200 something.