Has anyone found secret messages in the bible?

[BeeBlessed]

So you agree that living righteously does involve Scripture? If so, His pure words must be preserved to keep God’s people to live godly by the empowerment of the Spirit.

No one has argued otherwise. You have just missed the point along the way. Would you say that in this present age, with all the corruption we see and hear about every day, that godliness is leaving the earth? I would say so. But so far, God has kept the promise He made in Psalm 12:5, has He not? How? By providing a Savior!!!! Do you feel protected by what Jesus did for us? I do. God’s put action behind those “pure words,” thus preserving them forever.

 

[BeeBlessed]

It has always been us that God intended to save, and that promise has been fulfilled first in Christ. We are heirs to that promise.

 

[Magenta]

Meant to say that the people of God cannot be preserved without His perfect Word.

Whose name is Jesus Christ.

 

[Bible_Highlighter]

verse 5.

verse 5 contains the pure words of the LORD.

verse 5 is the immediate context of verse 6.

honestly this Psalm is one the absolute worst kjv-only arguments that exists. it is incredibly obvious if one reads the whole psalm that it had nothing to do with a mid 17th century translation into a pagan language. it's about God being faithful to preserve His children.

Think about what you are saying here. Verse 5 is not floating in outer space. Even if you wanted verse 6 to refer back only to verse 5 as being the exclusive pure words of the Lord and nothing else, it is by Scripture that we know about this truth. The words of the Lord are pure words and they will be kept forever and that is how we know that the needy or the poor in verse 5 will be kept. It is both and not just one or the other.

 

[Bible_Highlighter]

Whose name is Jesus Christ.

The Symbiotic Relationship Between
The Living Word, & the Communicated Word:

1. Christ is good (John 10:11, John 10:14), and the word is good (1 Kings 2:42).
2. Christ is the truth (John 14:6), and the word is the truth (John 17:17).
3. Christ is called Faithful and True (Revelation 19:11), and the word is called faithful and true (Revelation 22:6).
4. Christ is pure (1 John 3:3), and the word is pure (Proverbs 30:5).
5. Christ is incorruptible (Acts of the Apostles 2:27), and the word is incorruptible (1 Peter 1:23).
6. Christ abides forever (John 12:34), and the word abides forever (1 Peter 1:23).
7. Christ’s name: “Jesus” is above all names (Which would include God’s name) (Philippians 2:9-10), and the word is above God’s name (Psalms 138:2).
8. Christ has flaming eyes of fire (Revelation 19:12), and the Word is like a fire (Jeremiah 23:29).
9. Christ can burn things like a fire (Matthew 3:12), and the word can burn things like a fire (Luke 24:32).
10. Christ can be eaten (John 6:57), and the word can be eaten (Jeremiah 15:16).
11. Christ is like the discovery of treasure (Matthew 13:44-46, cf. 2 Corinthians 4:7-10), and the word is like the discovery of treasure (Psalms 119:162).
12. Christ is the light (John 8:12), and the word is light (Psalms 119:105).
13. Christ is life (John 14:6, 1 John 5:12), and the word is life (John 6:63).
14. Christ is the living bread (John 6:51), and the word is the living bread (Matthew 4:4).
15. Christ is eternal life (Romans 6:23, 1 Timothy 6:16, 1 John 5:20) and the word is eternal life (John 6:68) (cf. Matthew 24:35, John 6:63).
16. Christ quickens (makes alive) (John 5:21), and the word quickens (makes alive) (Psalms 119:50).
17. It is by Christ which makes the gospel possible (1 Corinthians 15:1-4), and it is by the word which makes the gospel possible (1 Peter 1:25).
18. Christ is near to men (Acts 17:27) (Revelation 3:20) (Psalms 145:18), and the word is near to men (Romans 10:8).
19. Christ discerns the heart (Matthew 9:4, Luke 9:47), and the word discerns the heart (Hebrews 4:12).
20. Christ can get men through a storm (Mark 4:35-41), and the word can get men through a storm (Matthew 7:24-25).
21. Christ sanctifies (John 17:19), and the word sanctifies (John 17:17).
22. A person can stumble over Christ (Romans 9:33, 1 Peter 2:5-8), and a person can stumble over the word (1 Peter 2:8).
23. Christ will judge men (John 5:22), and the word will judge men (John 12:48).
24. Christ’s bones were never broken (John 19:36 cf. Psalms 34:20), and the word is never broken (John 10:35).
25. Believers are told to seek after Christ (Matthew 28:5, Mark 16:6), and believers are told to seek after the word (Isaiah 34:16).
26. Christ is our hope (1 Thessalonians 1:3, Colossians 1:27, 1 Timothy 1:1), and the word is our hope (Psalms 130:5).
27. Believers are to have the mind of Christ (1 Corinthians 2:16), and believers are to meditate (use their mind) upon the word (Psalms 119:148, 1 Timothy 2:15 KJV).
28. Christ is to be heard and obeyed (Matthew 7:24), and the word is to be heard and obeyed (James 1:22).
29. The love of God is within Christ (Romans 8:39), and keeping the word places the love of God within us (1 John 2:5) (Also see John 14:23).
30. Christ is the way to the living waters, which is the Holy Spirit (John 7:37-39), and the washing of the water of the word (Ephesians 5:25-27) (which is obedience to God) is the way to having the Spirit (Acts of the Apostles 5:32).
31. Christ is like the foundation that is a part of a house (1 Corinthians 3:9, 1 Corinthians 3:11), and He is like a rock (1 Corinthians 10:4), and the obeying the word is like a house built upon the rock (Matthew 7:24).
32. Believers are to follow after the steps of Christ (1 Peter 2:21), and believers are to order their steps in the word (Psalms 119:133).
33. Christ breathed the Spirit upon his faithful chosen (John 20:22), and the word is “inspired by God” (i.e. God breathed) for the benefit of his faithful chosen (2 Timothy 3:16-17).
34. Christ is the way to having the fruits of righteousness (Philippians 1:11), and the word is the way to being instructed in righteousness so to be perfect unto all good works (fruits) (2 Timothy 3:16-17).
35. Christ can abide in us (John 15:4-7) (Ephesians 3:17) (Philippians 4:13), and the word can abide in us (John 15:7, Psalms 119:11).
36. Christ dwells in our hearts (Ephesians 3:17), and the word dwells in our hearts (Colossians 3:16).
37. Believers can be hidden in Christ (Colossians 3:3), and the word can be hidden in believers (Psalms 119:11).
38. Christ is always with us (Matthew 28:20), and the word is always with us (Psalms 119:98).
39. Christ can make our joy full (John 15:11), and the word can make our joy full (1 John 1:4).
40. Believers’ hearts rejoice with Christ (John 16:22), and believers’ hearts rejoice with the word (Jeremiah 15:16).

The communicated word of God that we have today is the Bible.
“So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.”
(Isaiah 55:11).
Jesus (the Living Word) was sent by the commandment (mouth) of the Father. Jesus said and did everything the Father told Him to do (John 12:49) (John 14:31).
What is interesting is that the Living Word accomplished that which the Father commanded Him to do and to prosper (accomplish) that thing He sent to do (i.e. Jesus suffered on the cross, and said, “It is finished” and died for man’s sins). Jesus was risen three days later, and ascended to the Father. God’s Word (the living Word) did not return void by whom the Father sent.
The communicated Word can also be sent out and not return void, as well. For many have believed and have stayed faithful to what God’s Word says.

In the creation: The Word made flesh (John 1:1, John 1:14) (i.e. Christ) created everything. In the beginning God spoke words to bring forth the creation in six days (Genesis 1:1-31).
So in the beginning was the Living Word, and the communicated Word.
In the end of this sinful world: Christ will return (Revelation 19:11-21) and a sharp sword will proceed from His mouth. This sword could be the “sword of the Spirit,” (Which is the Word of God) or it could be symbolic of such (Ephesians 6:17).
So in the end there will be the Living Word, and the communicated Word.
For at Christ’s return: His name is called The “Word of God.” (Revelation 19:13) (Living Word).
On His thigh, and vesture is a name written (words) “KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.” (Communicated Word).
Jesus was beaten to a pulp and crucified on a tree.
The Word we have today (the Bible) is a result of pulp made from a tree.
Jesus was the Word made flesh (covered in skin).
The Word we have today (the Bible) is popular to be available covered in skin (leather).
Words on the page hang on this tree (paper) (the Bible), just like the Living Word hung on a tree (the cross).

 

[posthuman]

I didn’t. I believe verses 5 and 8 just fine. The poor as mentioned in verse 5 will be kept forever. It is the promise of God’s words that you are reading about this tells you so. Without these words of the Lord being preserved for us today, you wouldn’t know. Both God’s words and his people will be preserved.

by saying v. 6 is about kjv, you are necessarily ignoring v. 5, because the "them" in context is the ones the pure words of God found in v. 5 are talking about. which are souls.

this psalm is about salvation, not kjv. the Bible is about Christ, Who is Salvation.

Psalm 12 isn't about the kjv. it's about Christ, declaring Him absolutely faithful to fully carry out the promise of salvation. the worst part of trying to make this song about kjv is that it leaves Christ out - it misses the point of this song, which is glorifying Him, and puts that glory arbitrarily onto a pagan language translation.

 

[BeeBlessed]

Textual Critics or Original Onlyists do not believe this is the case with Scripture or the Bible we have today.

Listen to what your Heavenly Father says…. not what man says.

 

[Bible_Highlighter]

It has always been us that God intended to save, and that promise has been fulfilled first in Christ. We are heirs to that promise.

And we can only know his promises by His Word. If we could not trust His word because it has errors in it, then how could we trust God’s promises?

 

[Bible_Highlighter]

by saying v. 6 is about kjv, you are necessarily ignoring v. 5, because the "them" in context is the ones the pure words of God found in v. 5 are talking about. which are souls.

this psalm is about salvation, not kjv. the Bible is about Christ, Who is Salvation.

Psalm 12 isn't about tge kjv. it's about Christ.

You would not know about the true Jesus or the gospel without His Word.

 

[Bible_Highlighter]

by saying v. 6 is about kjv, you are necessarily ignoring v. 5, because the "them" in context is the ones the pure words of God found in v. 5 are talking about. which are souls.

this psalm is about salvation, not kjv. the Bible is about Christ, Who is Salvation.

Psalm 12 isn't about the kjv. it's about Christ, declaring Him absolutely faithful to fully carry out the promise of salvation. the worst part of trying to make this song about kjv is that it leaves Christ out - it misses the point of this song, which is glorifying Him, and puts that glory arbitrarily onto a pagan language translation.

See also my post #1285.

 

[posthuman]

You would not know about the true Jesus or the gospel without His Word.

amen - it does not return to Him empty when He sends it out

 

[Cameron143]

by saying v. 6 is about kjv, you are necessarily ignoring v. 5, because the "them" in context is the ones the pure words of God found in v. 5 are talking about. which are souls.

this psalm is about salvation, not kjv. the Bible is about Christ, Who is Salvation.

Psalm 12 isn't about the kjv. it's about Christ, declaring Him absolutely faithful to fully carry out the promise of salvation. the worst part of trying to make this song about kjv is that it leaves Christ out - it misses the point of this song, which is glorifying Him, and puts that glory arbitrarily onto a pagan language translation.

You are going about this all wrong. If you want someone to come around to your position, pretend to adopt theirs.

 

[posthuman]

Think about what you are saying here. Verse 5 is not floating in outer space. Even if you wanted verse 6 to refer back only to verse 5 as being the exclusive pure words of the Lord and nothing else, it is by Scripture that we know about this truth. The words of the Lord are pure words and they will be kept forever and that is how we know that the needy or the poor in verse 5 will be kept. It is both and not just one or the other.

Christ is the Word, not the kjv.

If the scripture talks about the faithfulneas and purity of the Word, it defines Christ as that the Word - it doesn't define the Word as a translation into a pagan language.

so yes it is both but the 'both' is the person of Christ and the work of Christ. it is both the person and work of Christ.

true interpretation of scripture is always testimony of Him.

 

[posthuman]

You are going about this all wrong. If you want someone to come around to your position, pretend to adopt theirs.

i've been doing it wrong for 45 years why would i stop now

 

[Cameron143]

Actually, we don't know the true Jesus until the Father reveals Him.

 

[posthuman]

You are going about this all wrong. If you want someone to come around to your position, pretend to adopt theirs.

seriously tho that is incredibly insightful and shrewd advice.

thanks

 

[posthuman]

Actually, we don't know the true Jesus until the Father reveals Him.

because the acacia wood of the ark of the testimony is covered inside and out with gold - hidden by it

 

[Bible_Highlighter]

No one has argued otherwise. You have just missed the point along the way. Would you say that in this present age, with all the corruption we see and hear about every day, that godliness is leaving the earth? I would say so. But so far, God has kept the promise He made in Psalm 12:5, has He not? How? By providing a Savior!!!! God’s put action behind those “pure words,” thus preserving them forever.

I agree with what you said here. But we wouldn’t know this without the word (Scripture) telling us this. But I have been rereading the chapter several times now with an open mind and I can see how you can interpret verse 7 as referring only to the godly and needy. But I can also equally read it to also include the pure words of the Lord in the immediate context, too.

Do you feel protected by what Jesus did for us? I do.

To a great degree… yes. God’s grace is amazing. However, we have to endure to the end to be saved in the end. There is also Sanctification which involves my continued cooperation. See 2 Thessalonians 2:13, Galatians 6:8-9, Romans 8:13, and 2 Corinthians 7:1. Without holiness, no man shall see the Lord (Hebrews 12:14).

 

[Bible_Highlighter]

Listen to what your Heavenly Father says…. not what man says.

That’s why I believe there is one perfect Word of God I can trust today. Granted, I do use Modern Translations to help update the 1600s English in the KJB, but Modern Bibles are not my final word of authority because they teach false doctrines. I have already gave an example of that in this thread. Granted, there is a lot more examples in my write up that I hope to finish in the Spring.

I am Core KJB and not KJV only.

 

[NTNT58]

As I said before, most are reliable and agree where it matters.

"If it's not 100% accurate then it's not preserved by God because God is perfect and would not allow his word to be corrupted." - that is why there are so many people converting to Islam.