Has the law been put aside? If so, when?
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Jesus is the Good Shepherd. His sheep know His vice and hear Him.
The Good Shepherd had His original Flock...Israel, and He promised He w was going to bring that other flFlock together with the original. That other fFl9ock is gentiles.
He brings all together into one Flock, His Flock....do not lose sight of this truth ever.
The Good Shepherd had His original Flock...Israel, and He promised He w was going to bring that other flFlock together with the original. That other fFl9ock is gentiles.
He brings all together into one Flock, His Flock....do not lose sight of this truth ever.
The Good Shepherd's flock was 100% Jews, by their relationship to Jacob's 12 sons, with ZERO exceptions, excpt for proselytes. God ALWAYS treats Jews and Gentiles 100% differently. For the 2000 years from Gen 12 through Acts 10, the Gentiles were always filthy infidel dogs, with absolutely no blessings, unless they became Jews themselves, as proselytes. For the present 2000 years, from Ac28:28, 64AD, through about 2064, there is no Israel, in God's eyes. The Gentiles are now God's chosen people (Ephesians 1:4) and Jews must essentially become Gentiles and believe 1Cor 15:1-4, to get saved. All this will change when we Gentiles and Jews who have been given the eyes of understanding to SEE the Hope of His Calling, are resurrected in Heavenly places. After that, Elijah will restore everything, Israel will be back on the scene, and prophecy will once again be fulfilled. The only way God will allow anyone to SEE this Hope, found only in Paul's 7 post-Acts books, is if they totally eliminate everything they think applies to them from the other 59 books EVERYTHING JEWISH.
I will intentionally lose sight of everything you and your ilk will ever say. This is because, without a doubt, you are the same as the Judiazers Paul fought against in Galatians. NO DIFFERENCE AT ALL. Have you gotten circumcised yet, or are you just picking and choosing the best stuff? When did you last sacrifice an animal?
What do you guys have against Scripture? I notice you never quote it.
I will intentionally lose sight of everything you and your ilk will ever say. This is because, without a doubt, you are the same as the Judiazers Paul fought against in Galatians. NO DIFFERENCE AT ALL. Have you gotten circumcised yet, or are you just picking and choosing the best stuff? When did you last sacrifice an animal?
What do you guys have against Scripture? I notice you never quote it.
Just as ur Father told Israel it is true for those saved in Jesus Christ.
Neither should say or think it is because of our own righteousness that we afre now His people….
This was true for the first Israel, and it is true for the eternal Israel...….
As for the Jews, as you say, being from the twelve Tribes….study some, the Jews at the time of Christ were of teh one tribe, Judah………
You have terms or terminologies to repeaqt, and you have dates to quote, but they meaqn nothing when they have no bearing on the Gospel of Jesus Christ, the same for the Jew and Gentile alike.
If you think otherwise you do not yet know God. Not in the manner of someone who is saved by the Blood of the Lamb.
Neither should say or think it is because of our own righteousness that we afre now His people….
This was true for the first Israel, and it is true for the eternal Israel...….
As for the Jews, as you say, being from the twelve Tribes….study some, the Jews at the time of Christ were of teh one tribe, Judah………
You have terms or terminologies to repeaqt, and you have dates to quote, but they meaqn nothing when they have no bearing on the Gospel of Jesus Christ, the same for the Jew and Gentile alike.
If you think otherwise you do not yet know God. Not in the manner of someone who is saved by the Blood of the Lamb.
I totally disagree, but it's a minor point. The only Gospel that Paul and the 12 preached to the Jews during Acts was the exact same Kingdom Gospel that Christ preached. Whatever was preached in Acts was a total failure resulting in the non-repentance of Israel, the delay in Christ's second Coming, the postponement of Israel's Earthly Kingdom, and Israel being set aside for all of the present 2000 year all-Gentile period. The ONLY purpose of Acts was to get Israel to repent and accept Christ, since Christ said He wouldn't return until Israel accepted Him (Mt 23:39, Ac 3:19-20). It certainly wasn't to start a church. God, today, sees the Jews as just another Gentile nation.
The main point is these Judaizers that you warned me against and, which, crazy as it seems, have power on this forum. I will continue to prove that they are false teachers. They are the dangers, not me.
The main point is these Judaizers that you warned me against and, which, crazy as it seems, have power on this forum. I will continue to prove that they are false teachers. They are the dangers, not me.
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James didn't think all the Jews were from Judah (Jam 1:1, "James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.). At Pentecost, where NO Gentiles were present, all 12 tribes were represented. Nothing you or your ilk has said has any bearing on what God's program for Gentiles entails today and You CANNOT prove that it does. It's all pie-in-the-sky. When are you going to quote some scripture? Christ is our Savior but He was NOT our Apostle. He, Himself, delegated His authority, and chose Paul for that office. It's a giant error to go by Christ's words, instead of the words of the Apostle He appointed, Paul. Today, since Israel doesn't exist, as a nation, in God's eyes, Christ doesn't act as an apostle or the Messiah.
Israel is eternal, but they will be on the earth and the New Jerusalem, whereas we Gentiles who were chosen before the world began, because we KNEW we were 100% Gentiles and not Jews, will be in the Highest Heaven, where Christ sits at the right hand of God, Ephesians 1:20 (Christ), Ephesians 2:6 (Us). You won't be there because you falsely believe you are a Jew.
It is obvious you do not know much about the state of Israel at the time of Christ. If yo did, you would know there was no such thing as Judaism........... A Jew then was only someone associated with the tribe of JUdah.
Those who were scattered abrod, that is in the diaspora, were of the ten lost tribes as they are known today.
Judaism since Christ has become an umbralla name for the many denominations calling themselves Jews.......I suppose this is too much for some to absorb.
You do make me very sad with your notions and self-determined conclusions which are not conclusive at all...
Those who were scattered abrod, that is in the diaspora, were of the ten lost tribes as they are known today.
Judaism since Christ has become an umbralla name for the many denominations calling themselves Jews.......I suppose this is too much for some to absorb.
You do make me very sad with your notions and self-determined conclusions which are not conclusive at all...
You're picking at small things. The main point is whether or not Gentiles should obey any of the doctrine of Israel. I say NO!!
There were never 10 lost tribes, according to my Bible. Show me a verse that says Israel was lost. What obviously sets us apart is that I'm a Bible believer and you're a private interpreter. Nothing you have said so far is Biblical. You still are dealing with insults, the weapon of the ignorant. When are you going to use some scripture? Do you own a Bible?
There were never 10 lost tribes, according to my Bible. Show me a verse that says Israel was lost. What obviously sets us apart is that I'm a Bible believer and you're a private interpreter. Nothing you have said so far is Biblical. You still are dealing with insults, the weapon of the ignorant. When are you going to use some scripture? Do you own a Bible?
The Ten Tribes of the Diaspora have always been referre to as the ten lost tribes because they cannot be traced today……….
I tell you abuot the above out of kindness. Now stop your private interpretation of the Word. Jesus Christ is god……...of the Jew first ad then the greek. Again you are making me feel very bad, sad.
I tell you abuot the above out of kindness. Now stop your private interpretation of the Word. Jesus Christ is god……...of the Jew first ad then the greek. Again you are making me feel very bad, sad.
Another Bible only nut. Tell me how in 212 to 500 when the creeds were written was the word of God and the saving facts told to unbelievers? This simple fact is something you obviously can't comprehend. Bibles were extremely rare and expensive. Only the wealthy could own one. So what was used to spread the saving information that was contained in the Bible especially the Gospels?? Oops
According to you no short man made document that conforms to what the Bible states could be used. So please explain how the word was passed to unbelievers!!
Quit thinking like a 21st century person and think like a 4th or 5th century person. What would you have used in place of the too expensive and rare Bible? This is the flaw in yours and others condemnation of the creeds. The early elders created them for this specific purpose. What were they supposed to use in place of them? Bible is out of the question since it was too expensive and rare. Explain away!!!
I have yet have anybody define errors in the creeds or explain what should have been used instead.
According to you no short man made document that conforms to what the Bible states could be used. So please explain how the word was passed to unbelievers!!
Quit thinking like a 21st century person and think like a 4th or 5th century person. What would you have used in place of the too expensive and rare Bible? This is the flaw in yours and others condemnation of the creeds. The early elders created them for this specific purpose. What were they supposed to use in place of them? Bible is out of the question since it was too expensive and rare. Explain away!!!
I have yet have anybody define errors in the creeds or explain what should have been used instead.
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Tell us oh great fountain of wisdom where are the northern 10 tribes today? Jews got that name from the king of the northern tribes. They consisted of the tribes of Judah and Bengamin along with a portion of Levites. The northern 10 tribes were dispersed and disappeard. When this happened to the Jews contrary to all other peoples removed from their homeland they never lost their identity. This applies to even small groups. There was a group living in Africa that claimed to be Jews. Their intermarriage had them looking like the rest of the Africans but DNA testing proved they were Jews. Try using historical facts. The historical fact is no group of people today claim to be the 10 northern tribes of Israel. However the southern kingdom miraculously kept its identity and are called Jews because the biggest portion of them are from the tribe of Judah. To me this miracle was caused by God.
Tell us oh great fountain of wisdom where are the northern 10 tribes today? Jews got that name from the king of the northern tribes. They consisted of the tribes of Judah and Bengamin along with a portion of Levites. The northern 10 tribes were dispersed and disappeard. When this happened to the Jews contrary to all other peoples removed from their homeland they never lost their identity. This applies to even small groups. There was a group living in Africa that claimed to be Jews. Their intermarriage had them looking like the rest of the Africans but DNA testing proved they were Jews. Try using historical facts. The historical fact is no group of people today claim to be the 10 northern tribes of Israel. However the southern kingdom miraculously kept its identity and are called Jews because the biggest portion of them are from the tribe of Judah. To me this miracle was caused by God.
You come in packs, like rats. The Creeds are garbage. ANYTHING written by a church father is garbage. The Bible is the ONLY source of guaranteed truth on the planet.
Where is Judah and Benjamin today? You don't know and they don't know. In any case, they ceased being God's People on 64AD.
Are you guys circumcised yet? Sacrificed an animal yet? If you can't sacrifice animals you can't keep the Law. Do you have one of those goofy boxes you wear on your forehead? Got your Satanic Talmud yet?
The 12 never even started the Great Commission. At some point, they will
Do any of you guys own a Bible, or do you make up this stuff as you go along? I suspect the latter.
If you get through the white throne judgment, without going in the lake of fire, enjoy the New Earth. God won't allow any Heretics in Heaven
Where is Judah and Benjamin today? You don't know and they don't know. In any case, they ceased being God's People on 64AD.
Are you guys circumcised yet? Sacrificed an animal yet? If you can't sacrifice animals you can't keep the Law. Do you have one of those goofy boxes you wear on your forehead? Got your Satanic Talmud yet?
The 12 never even started the Great Commission. At some point, they will
Do any of you guys own a Bible, or do you make up this stuff as you go along? I suspect the latter.
If you get through the white throne judgment, without going in the lake of fire, enjoy the New Earth. God won't allow any Heretics in Heaven
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First the northern 10 tribes were dispersed by Roman soldiers and disappeared in history. Notice James says as much by stating "scattered abroad". Israel at that time had only the Jews who were the tribe of Judah, Bengamin and a portion of Levites as priests. There is no mention of the other 10 tribes being present in Israel at that time. Later the Jews would be forced to leave by the Romans. They however miraculously kept their identity. The only group to do that in history. All other groups of people forcably kicked out of their homeland disappeared as an entity. Only the Jews. That obviously was the work of God.
Second you ignore Jesus stated "I and the Father are one." as such his words are above all other people in the New Testament.
The Apostles including Paul are still to be believed since the power of Jesus gave them that power through the Holy Spirit.
In reference to your assertion about Jesus being the Messiah you ignore Jesus stated the only sign of his being the Messiah was the sign of Jonah. As Jonah was in the belly of the big fish so the son of man would be in the tomb 3 days and 3 nights. He was and therefore he is. God incarnate suffered on the cross for us.
You are obviously ignorant about where Jesus will reign. In Jerusalem!!
Isaiah 24 AMPC
21 And in that day the Lord will visit and punish the host of the high ones on high [the host of heaven in heaven, celestial beings] and the kings of the earth on the earth.
22 And they will be gathered together as prisoners are gathered in a pit or dungeon; they will be shut up in prison, and after many days they will be visited, inspected, and punished or pardoned.
23 Then the moon will be confounded and the sun ashamed, when [they compare their ineffectual fire to the light of] the Lord of hosts, Who will reign on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem, and before His elders will show forth His glory.
Today he sits at the right hand of the Father but after judging the living and dead will rule from Jerusalem.
First the northern 10 tribes were dispersed by Roman soldiers and disappeared in history. Notice James says as much by stating "scattered abroad". Israel at that time had only the Jews who were the tribe of Judah, Bengamin and a portion of Levites as priests. There is no mention of the other 10 tribes being present in Israel at that time. Later the Jews would be forced to leave by the Romans. They however miraculously kept their identity. The only group to do that in history. All other groups of people forcably kicked out of their homeland disappeared as an entity. Only the Jews. That obviously was the work of God.
Second you ignore Jesus stated "I and the Father are one." as such his words are above all other people in the New Testament.
The Apostles including Paul are still to be believed since the power of Jesus gave them that power through the Holy Spirit.
In reference to your assertion about Jesus being the Messiah you ignore Jesus stated the only sign of his being the Messiah was the sign of Jonah. As Jonah was in the belly of the big fish so the son of man would be in the tomb 3 days and 3 nights. He was and therefore he is. God incarnate suffered on the cross for us.
You are obviously ignorant about where Jesus will reign. In Jerusalem!!
Isaiah 24 AMPC
21 And in that day the Lord will visit and punish the host of the high ones on high [the host of heaven in heaven, celestial beings] and the kings of the earth on the earth.
22 And they will be gathered together as prisoners are gathered in a pit or dungeon; they will be shut up in prison, and after many days they will be visited, inspected, and punished or pardoned.
23 Then the moon will be confounded and the sun ashamed, when [they compare their ineffectual fire to the light of] the Lord of hosts, Who will reign on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem, and before His elders will show forth His glory.
Today he sits at the right hand of the Father but after judging the living and dead will rule from Jerusalem.
God said He would chastise them but not reject them.
You reject what the northern king of the 10 tribes called the southern 2 tribes of Judah and Bengamin plus a portion of the Levites. In other words the Bible is lying.
Here is the verses about the Great Commission given by Jesus. Got it straight off of biblegateway.com.
Mathew 28:16 to 20 (great commission) AMPC (Amplified Classic)
16 Now the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain to which Jesus had directed and made appointment with them.
17 And when they saw Him, they fell down and worshiped Him; but some doubted.
18 Jesus approached and, breaking the silence, said to them, All authority (all power of rule) in heaven and on earth has been given to Me.
19 Go then and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them into the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
20 Teaching them to observe everything that I have commanded you, and behold, I am with you all the days (perpetually, uniformly, and on every occasion), to the [very] close and consummation of the age. Amen (so let it be).
In point of fact I don't use a Bible I use my smart phone to log into biblegateway.com and access the Bible selecting book and chapter. Then I can with the click of a button select whatever translation I want. I mostly se se KJV, ESV, NIV and AMPC. This allows me to glean more information out of the text by seeing how each translates into English. This will be sacralige to some but the KJV has several flaws due to the language changes since 1611.
You reject what the northern king of the 10 tribes called the southern 2 tribes of Judah and Bengamin plus a portion of the Levites. In other words the Bible is lying.
Here is the verses about the Great Commission given by Jesus. Got it straight off of biblegateway.com.
Mathew 28:16 to 20 (great commission) AMPC (Amplified Classic)
16 Now the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain to which Jesus had directed and made appointment with them.
17 And when they saw Him, they fell down and worshiped Him; but some doubted.
18 Jesus approached and, breaking the silence, said to them, All authority (all power of rule) in heaven and on earth has been given to Me.
19 Go then and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them into the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
20 Teaching them to observe everything that I have commanded you, and behold, I am with you all the days (perpetually, uniformly, and on every occasion), to the [very] close and consummation of the age. Amen (so let it be).
In point of fact I don't use a Bible I use my smart phone to log into biblegateway.com and access the Bible selecting book and chapter. Then I can with the click of a button select whatever translation I want. I mostly se se KJV, ESV, NIV and AMPC. This allows me to glean more information out of the text by seeing how each translates into English. This will be sacralige to some but the KJV has several flaws due to the language changes since 1611.
You are being ridiculous about things written by men. You ignore the simple fact that the Bible is not written issue by issue but mostly written as a history of events. Issues are therefore woven in and around those historical events. Only the epistles differ. They are unique to the New Testament. Therefore to understand any issue all verses about an issue must be examined in its context and only then can the issue be correctly understood.
OK Bible only one, how will you understand each seperate issue with just the Bible only. How do you know you found all of the related verses on any particular issue. This is the purpose of a systematic theology book. They go issue by issue discussing it and list ALL verses on that issue. But you reject any other book except for the Bible. You delude yourself thinking that anything written by man should be rejected. Does that include your church's doctrinal statement and its denominational statement?
There is a difference between the Bible and documents helping one understand what the Bible states on a given issue. The Bible is the Word of God but things written by man can aid in understanding it correctly by bringing all verses on a subject together.
OK Bible only one, how will you understand each seperate issue with just the Bible only. How do you know you found all of the related verses on any particular issue. This is the purpose of a systematic theology book. They go issue by issue discussing it and list ALL verses on that issue. But you reject any other book except for the Bible. You delude yourself thinking that anything written by man should be rejected. Does that include your church's doctrinal statement and its denominational statement?
There is a difference between the Bible and documents helping one understand what the Bible states on a given issue. The Bible is the Word of God but things written by man can aid in understanding it correctly by bringing all verses on a subject together.
I set all the pack of Judaizers to ignore. None of their false teaching could possibly interest me at all and I won't waste any more time with them. Anyone that preaches anything outside of the Bible preaches nonsense. I just pray that no one listens to them. One's afterlife is at stake. Why jeopardize it by believing something that is so totally non-Biblical, it becomes ANTI-Biblical.
There is no Israel today. They were set aside, as a nation, by God, in Acts 28:28, about 64AD, when the Salvation of God (Jesus Christ) was taken from them and given to the Gentiles. The Jews have not kept the Law since 70AD. They can't, without a temple. And, without keeping the law, it is impossible for them to be God's people. Look at them as being on a 2000 year sabbatical, where they are non-existent, as a punishment for severe unbelief. In God's eyes, they are now just another nation. This 2000 year sabbatical will be up about 2064. Israel will then be back in God's Graces. Please note that, during the 2000 Years from Gen 12 through Acts, had they not kept the Law, God would have killed them.
The Law has not been put aside. Israel will have to keep it at least until the New Heavens and New Earth.
Mt 5:18 - ESV
"For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished."
During the Millennium, and probably way before that, animal sacrifices will take place
However, in the 4000 year Bible History, starting at Gen 12, no Gentile, other than a proselyte, has EVER been Commanded to keep the Law, by Moses, by Christ, by the 12, by Paul, by nobody. Today, any Gentile that thinks they should keep the law, severely jeopardizes their chance of spending eternity in the Highest Heaven. Don't pay any attention to the Judaizers or you will suffer for it in the end. What God says is infinitely more important than anything you'll get from these FAKE JEWS.
There is no Israel today. They were set aside, as a nation, by God, in Acts 28:28, about 64AD, when the Salvation of God (Jesus Christ) was taken from them and given to the Gentiles. The Jews have not kept the Law since 70AD. They can't, without a temple. And, without keeping the law, it is impossible for them to be God's people. Look at them as being on a 2000 year sabbatical, where they are non-existent, as a punishment for severe unbelief. In God's eyes, they are now just another nation. This 2000 year sabbatical will be up about 2064. Israel will then be back in God's Graces. Please note that, during the 2000 Years from Gen 12 through Acts, had they not kept the Law, God would have killed them.
The Law has not been put aside. Israel will have to keep it at least until the New Heavens and New Earth.
Mt 5:18 - ESV
"For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished."
During the Millennium, and probably way before that, animal sacrifices will take place
However, in the 4000 year Bible History, starting at Gen 12, no Gentile, other than a proselyte, has EVER been Commanded to keep the Law, by Moses, by Christ, by the 12, by Paul, by nobody. Today, any Gentile that thinks they should keep the law, severely jeopardizes their chance of spending eternity in the Highest Heaven. Don't pay any attention to the Judaizers or you will suffer for it in the end. What God says is infinitely more important than anything you'll get from these FAKE JEWS.
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