Has the second coming occurred already?

[Ahwatukee]

Second coming happen after great tribulation, Jesus come oN the air and rapture happen

Than follow by 1000 years kingdom.

Hello Jackson123,

I rearranged your post to the correct chronological order:

Jesus come on the air and rapture happen. Second coming happen after great tribulation.

* Jesus appears in the air and gathers His church

* Tribulation period

* Second Coming (Jesus returns to the earth to end the age and establish His millennial kingdom)

 

[cv5]

Okay lets say you're right, since you come at this as if it's such a silly notion, that without one single question or any kind of accurate representation of a well presented case for any of these things on your "list of offhand dismissal" to be seen. Lets say you've convinced me with your very well thought out and loving rebuttal saying that anyone that holds these views is unintelligent, dishonest, and without any integrity. Nice way to represent our King by the way and I personally appreciate the direct attack on my character brother. So please all wise elder let me understand the "right" belief from you. Is this Abomination of Desolation spoken of in Daniel, Matthew, and Luke going to take place in the future?

The A of D is referenced by Jesus ONLY in Matt and Mark (on the MofO and to P, A, J and J)...........and is unequivocally a future event. In Luke....the speech is probably made in the Temple to disciples, ("Jesus, looking up") and only speaks to the destruction of the city and Temple)......no A of D....and is foretelling 70AD. The key phrases are "BEFORE THESE THINGS" vs "AFTER THESE THINGS".

I posted an excellent video a few posts back. Do yourself a big favor and hear it. Pls get a grip people.

 

[Jimbone]

The A of D is referenced by Jesus ONLY in Matt and Mark (on the MofO and to P, A, J and J)...........and is unequivocally a future event. In Luke....the speech is probably made in the Temple to disciples, ("Jesus, looking up") and only speaks to the destruction of the city and Temple)......no A of D....and is foretelling 70AD. The key phrases are "BEFORE THESE THINGS" vs "AFTER THESE THINGS".

I posted an excellent video a few posts back. Do yourself a big favor and hear it. Pls get a grip people.

You say that, but I believe differently and do not understand how you make these distinctions. Like I said the difference between Luke and Matthew being different intended audiences is clear and I see no reason at all to think they happen in different times other than assertion, and please don't take anything I'm saying as sarcasm, maybe if you can show me where these distinctions are made outside of a presupposed belief and charts, but where in His word does it makes these distinctions and time references? If you show me then I do want to hear them out and consider. First what makes you say they are different events when what they where talking about was the same thing, and second where do you see when these things are to happen?
I see what you're saying about "Before & After" these things, but that does not nail down the kinds of things you're saying here about these being different events nor the timing of anything. In my opinion of course. I'm also not just trying to throw a bunch of questions at you just as if that ends the discussion either, I know that's often the M.O. here, but I do honestly want to know why you believe these things are so, and not only that I will also answer and defend the position I'm taking as well, I mean everything I'm saying with respect and sincerity so please don't think I'm trying to attack you or be ugly in any way.

I just saw the remark about the video and did not see it. Is it posted in this thread?

 

[cv5]

You say that, but I believe differently and do not understand how you make these distinctions. Like I said the difference between Luke and Matthew being different intended audiences is clear and I see no reason at all to think they happen in different times other than assertion, and please don't take anything I'm saying as sarcasm, maybe if you can show me where these distinctions are made outside of a presupposed belief and charts, but where in His word does it makes these distinctions and time references? If you show me then I do want to hear them out and consider. First what makes you say they are different events when what they where talking about was the same thing, and second where do you see when these things are to happen?
I see what you're saying about "Before & After" these things, but that does not nail down the kinds of things you're saying here about these being different events nor the timing of anything. In my opinion of course. I'm also not just trying to throw a bunch of questions at you just as if that ends the discussion either, I know that's often the M.O. here, but I do honestly want to know why you believe these things are so, and not only that I will also answer and defend the position I'm taking as well, I mean everything I'm saying with respect and sincerity so please don't think I'm trying to attack you or be ugly in any way.

I just saw the remark about the video and did not see it. Is it posted in this thread?

Here is the Chuck Missler link Sir. Please pass it along. This preterism heresy must cease and desist once and for all.

 

[Jackson123]

Hello Jackson123,

I rearranged your post to the correct chronological order:

Jesus come on the air and rapture happen. Second coming happen after great tribulation.

* Jesus appears in the air and gathers His church

* Tribulation period

* Second Coming (Jesus returns to the earth to end the age and establish His millennial kingdom)

Hello brother

I think we do not have agreement in These verse

2 Thessalonians 2 King James Version (KJV)

2 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,

2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

There are 2 thing mention by Paul in verse 2

He warn about second coming and our gathering oN the SIT

So the subject is both rapture and second coming

Verse 3 say that day

That day mean both mention in verse 2 Paul not change the subject yet.

If Paul mean only second coming in verse 3 he Will explained it

 

[KJV1611]

Here is the Chuck Missler link Sir. Please pass it along. This preterism heresy must cease and desist once and for all.

Is this guy a joke or what? Desolation 1 and desolation 2 lol, the guy is a whack job.

 

[dcontroversal]

Okay lets say you're right, since you come at this as if it's such a silly notion, that without one single question or any kind of accurate representation of a well presented case for any of these things on your "list of offhand dismissal" to be seen. Lets say you've convinced me with your very well thought out and loving rebuttal saying that anyone that holds these views is unintelligent, dishonest, and without any integrity. Nice way to represent our King by the way and I personally appreciate the direct attack on my character brother. So please all wise elder let me understand the "right" belief from you. Is this Abomination of Desolation spoken of in Daniel, Matthew, and Luke going to take place in the future?

Listen carefully migo......JESUS and the 2nd coming did not take place 1st century AD......it is one of the most idiotic fallacies presented on this site.....and if you can honestly read the the word of GOD, especially Matthew 24, Luke 21, Mark 13, 1st Thessalonians 4 and 5, 1st Corinthians 15, 2nd Thessalonians 2, 2nd Peter 3 and Revelation and then conclude it happened in the 1st century AD you are not being honest with the word of GOD........and your mouthy remarks above belie that you have presented the same attitude that you are accusing me of hypocrite.......good day PAL......!!

 

[dcontroversal]

@Dc
By the way I love you use the "heavens rolled up like a scroll" example as having not have taken place when it was the same language used in Isaiah 34 to describe the coming judgement on Babylon-
3Their slain will be left unburied, and the stench of their corpses will rise; the mountains will flow with their blood. 4All the stars of heaven will be dissolved. The skies will be rolled up like a scroll, and all their stars will fall like withered leaves on the vine, and foliage on the fig tree. 5When My sword has drunk its fill in the heavens, then it will come down upon Edom, upon the people I have devoted to destruction.

So I guess that didn't happen yet either right? Or maybe you don't understand Apocalyptic Literature as well as you maybe could. Just saying.

This post also reeks of ignorance and the fact that GOD blends future prophetic utterances with the CURRENT events listed in the day they took place.....YOU know what......you are one of the biggest hypocrites on this site.....YOU constantly portray yourself as this super duper believer and then MAKE worse mouthy comments that what other do in their initial posts....at least everyone KNOWS I get a little mouthy once in a while.......you on the other hand in pretence fire away while flatly ignoring the fact that you are as bad or worse in the way you come across.....

 

[cv5]

Is this guy a joke or what? Desolation 1 and desolation 2 lol, the guy is a whack job.

For those with an attention span of more than 45 seconds, one must opine that Chuck Missler has indeed mastered the correct exegesis of end-time prophecy. For all of us to behold. Those who have ears to hear.....let him hear!

 

[KJV1611]

For those with an attention span of more than 45 seconds, one must opine that Chuck Missler has indeed mastered the correct exegesis of end-time prophecy. For all of us to behold. Those who have ears to hear.....let him hear!

The guy is twisting scripture to fit his view.

 

[cv5]

The guy is twisting scripture to fit his view.

You are on iggy......again.

 

[Ahwatukee]

Hello brother

I think we do not have agreement in These verse

2 Thessalonians 2 King James Version (KJV)

2 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,

2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

There are 2 thing mention by Paul in verse 2

He warn about second coming and our gathering oN the SIT

So the subject is both rapture and second coming

Verse 3 say that day

That day mean both mention in verse 2 Paul not change the subject yet.

If Paul mean only second coming in verse 3 he Will explained it

1). "Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to Him"

2). "alleging that the Day of the Lord has already come"

First, the second coming is when the Lord returns to the earth to end the age and establish His millennial kingdom. In opposition, the coming of our Lord and our being gathered to Him is referring to the resurrection of the dead in Christ and the living being changed and caught up with them to meet the Lord in the air. When Jesus appears to gather the church, He will not be returning to the earth, but will meet us in the air and take us back to the Father's house according to His promise in John 14:1-3.

The "Day of the Lord" mentioned in verse two, is referring to the time of God's wrath which takes place after the church has been gathered. Here is a better translation of that scripture:

"Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to Him, we ask you, brothers, 2not to be easily disconcerted or alarmed by any spirit or message or letter seeming to be from us, alleging that the Day of the Lord has already come."

The coming of our Lord and our being gathered to Him, is a blessed event, the removal of the church prior to the beginning of God's wrath. In opposition, the Day of the Lord will not be a bless event, but represents the time of God's wrath.

Our being gathered to the Lord takes place first and is then followed by the Day of the Lord. Many do not recognize the change Paul makes regarding these two events. Though these events are closely link together, they are not the same.

The Thessalonians knew Paul's teachings, that the Lord would descend and with the trumpet of God the dead in Christ would rise first. And immediately following that, the living would be changed and caught up together with them. This is what Paul is speaking about in verse 1. The Thessalonians knew that after the gathering of the church had taken place that "The Day of the Lord" would immediately follow.

Since there were some there in Thessalonica teaching that "the Day of the Lord" had already come, the Thessalonians were concerned because they knew that if that were true, then they would have missed being gathered to the Lord and were now concerned about now being trapped in the Day of the Lord, the time of God's wrath. In other words they were saying, "Hey Paul, there are some here saying that the Day of the Lord has already come, so why are weren't we caught up to the Lord first according to your teachings? Then Paul comforts them by saying "not to be easily disconcerted or alarmed by any spirit or message or letter seeming to be from us, alleging that the Day of the Lord (the time of God's wrath) has already come." Paul didn't say, "not to be easily disconcerted or alarmed by any spirit or message or letter seeming to be from us, alleging that our being gathered to the Lord has already come." Do you see the difference? Paul starts off in Verse 1 with "the coming of our and our being gathered to Him" and then changes to "the Day of the Lord" calling it "that day." Then Paul says "Let no one deceive you in any way, for that day (Day of the Lord) will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness—the son of destruction—is revealed.

In order to understand what Paul is saying, t is important to discern the difference between the coming of Lord and our being gather vs. The Day of the Lord. It is also important to understand what "the Day of the Lord" is, which I've listed below:

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The great Day of the LORD is near—near and coming quickly.

Listen, the Day of the LORD!

Then the cry of the mighty will be bitter.

That day will be a day of wrath, a day of trouble and distress,

a day of destruction and desolation, a day of darkness and gloom,

a day of clouds and blackness, a day of horn blast and battle cry against the fortified cities, and against the high corner towers.

I will bring such distress on mankind that they will walk like the blind, because they have sinned against the LORD.

Their blood will be poured out like dust and their flesh like dung.

Neither their silver nor their gold will be able to deliver them on the Day of the LORD’s wrath.

The whole earth will be consumed by the fire of His jealousy.”

For indeed, He will make a sudden end of all who dwell on the earth.
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The event of the coming of our Lord and our being gathered to Him is a different event and takes place prior to the Day of the Lord.

Our being gathered to the Lord is a blessing which takes place first. While the Day of the Lord will be the time of God's wrath, which follows our gathering.

 

[Jackson123]

1). "Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to Him"

2). "alleging that the Day of the Lord has already come"

First, the second coming is when the Lord returns to the earth to end the age and establish His millennial kingdom. In opposition, the coming of our Lord and our being gathered to Him is referring to the resurrection of the dead in Christ and the living being changed and caught up with them to meet the Lord in the air. When Jesus appears to gather the church, He will not be returning to the earth, but will meet us in the air and take us back to the Father's house according to His promise in John 14:1-3.

The "Day of the Lord" mentioned in verse two, is referring to the time of God's wrath which takes place after the church has been gathered. Here is a better translation of that scripture:

"Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to Him, we ask you, brothers, 2not to be easily disconcerted or alarmed by any spirit or message or letter seeming to be from us, alleging that the Day of the Lord has already come."

The coming of our Lord and our being gathered to Him, is a blessed event, the removal of the church prior to the beginning of God's wrath. In opposition, the Day of the Lord will not be a bless event, but represents the time of God's wrath.

Our being gathered to the Lord takes place first and is then followed by the Day of the Lord. Many do not recognize the change Paul makes regarding these two events. Though these events are closely link together, they are not the same.

The Thessalonians knew Paul's teachings, that the Lord would descend and with the trumpet of God the dead in Christ would rise first. And immediately following that, the living would be changed and caught up together with them. This is what Paul is speaking about in verse 1. The Thessalonians knew that after the gathering of the church had taken place that "The Day of the Lord" would immediately follow.

Since there were some there in Thessalonica teaching that "the Day of the Lord" had already come, the Thessalonians were concerned because they knew that if that were true, then they would have missed being gathered to the Lord and were now concerned about now being trapped in the Day of the Lord, the time of God's wrath. In other words they were saying, "Hey Paul, there are some here saying that the Day of the Lord has already come, so why are weren't we caught up to the Lord first according to your teachings? Then Paul comforts them by saying "not to be easily disconcerted or alarmed by any spirit or message or letter seeming to be from us, alleging that the Day of the Lord (the time of God's wrath) has already come." Paul didn't say, "not to be easily disconcerted or alarmed by any spirit or message or letter seeming to be from us, alleging that our being gathered to the Lord has already come." Do you see the difference? Paul starts off in Verse 1 with "the coming of our and our being gathered to Him" and then changes to "the Day of the Lord" calling it "that day." Then Paul says "Let no one deceive you in any way, for that day (Day of the Lord) will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness—the son of destruction—is revealed.

In order to understand what Paul is saying, t is important to discern the difference between the coming of Lord and our being gather vs. The Day of the Lord. It is also important to understand what "the Day of the Lord" is, which I've listed below:

===========================================================================
The great Day of the LORD is near—near and coming quickly.

Listen, the Day of the LORD!

Then the cry of the mighty will be bitter.

That day will be a day of wrath, a day of trouble and distress,

a day of destruction and desolation, a day of darkness and gloom,

a day of clouds and blackness, a day of horn blast and battle cry against the fortified cities, and against the high corner towers.

I will bring such distress on mankind that they will walk like the blind, because they have sinned against the LORD.

Their blood will be poured out like dust and their flesh like dung.

Neither their silver nor their gold will be able to deliver them on the Day of the LORD’s wrath.

The whole earth will be consumed by the fire of His jealousy.”

For indeed, He will make a sudden end of all who dwell on the earth.
==================================================================================

The event of the coming of our Lord and our being gathered to Him is a different event and takes place prior to the Day of the Lord.

Our being gathered to the Lord is a blessing which takes place first. While the Day of the Lord will be the time of God's wrath, which follows our gathering.

I am not agree with this analysis.

3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

The topic is the coming of the Lord and our gathering oN the air

Verse 3 say that day

So that day mean the coming of the Lord and rapture.

Let compare with matt 24

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

You say appear the sign of the son in heaven or Jesus come oN the air before tribulation

Matt 24 say It is immediately after tribulation.

 

[Ahwatukee]

I am not agree with this analysis.

3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

The topic is the coming of the Lord and our gathering oN the air

Verse 3 say that day

So that day mean the coming of the Lord and rapture.

Let compare with matt 24

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

You say appear the sign of the son in heaven or Jesus come oN the air before tribulation

Matt 24 say It is immediately after tribulation.

Your error is that you are making "the coming of our Lord and our being gathered to Him" the same as the "second coming" which they are not:

The coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to Him = Rapture

Second coming = The Lord's return to the earth to end the age and establish His millennial kingdom

Until you understand that these are two different events which take place at different times and with different purposes, you will interpret the church as not being gathered until the apostasy occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, which is false.

Matt.24:29-30 is referring to the second coming where Jesus returns to the earth to end the age. Where 2 Thess.2:1 is referring to the church being caught up to be taken back to the Father's house. Believers in Christ will never see the antichrist because when the One (Holy Spirit) who is holding back the man of lawlessness is taken out of the way, then the believers that He indwells must also be removed.

"Do you not remember that I told you these things while I was still with you? 6And you know what is now restraining him, so that he may be revealed at the proper time. 7For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work, but the one (Holy Spirit) who now restrains him will continue until he is taken out of the way. 8And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will slay with the breath of His mouth and annihilate by the majesty of His arrival.

In your interpretation, you would have the church gathered at the second coming. The problem with that is, before the second coming occurs the wrath of God via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments must take place. Regarding this, scripture states that believers in Christ are not appointed to suffer God's wrath and because Jesus already suffered it on our behalf. Your interpretation would put the church through the entire wrath of God and therefore go against those other scriptures.


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"They tell how you turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God, 10and to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead—Jesus, who rescues us from the coming wrath.

"Since we have now been justified by his blood, how much more shall we be saved from God’s wrath through him!"

"But since we belong to the day, let us be sober, putting on faith and love as a breastplate, and the hope of salvation as a helmet. 9For God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ.
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Some have said that the wrath spoken of in the scriptures above, is referring to God's final judgment, which is false. Believers in Christ will experience trials and tribulations which come at the hands of mankind and the powers of darkness. However, believers will not suffer any of God's, period! And that because Jesus already suffered it.

Therefore, since the church is not appointed to suffer God's wrath, then our being gathered to the Lord must take place prior to the first seal being opened which initiates God's wrath. In opposition, the second coming takes place after God's wrath.

Don't be like so many other people who just take one detail of scripture, but ignore the rest. By your interpretation, you would be putting the church through the entire wrath of God, which we are not appointed to suffer. Don't ignore that.


* Our being gathered to the Lord (Rapture), where He takes us back to the Father's house

* Man of lawlessness is revealed and the wrath of God begins

* The second coming takes place seven years later, where the Lord physically and visually returns to the earth to end the age.

 

[Jackson123]

Matt.24:29-30 is referring to the second coming where Jesus returns to the earth to end the age. Where 2 Thess.2:1 is referring to the church being caught up to be taken back to the Father's house.

To me It is the same.

In thesalonians Paul start with verse 1.

That problem about rapture that Paul address or explain.

He not change topic in verse 3.

Verse 1 about rapture, why verse 3 change something else?

For Example

1. Corona virus start from Wulan China

2. The doctor has t been found the cure

3. More than thausand death.

Is verse 3 mean more than thausand death from car accident
No, ITS from corona virus, the topic is corona virus, It is not normal say something else without Clear explanation.

If I want to change the topic, I Will say, now we talk about car accident, than more explanation.

Any way, What part of 2 thes verse 1 say rapture happen before tribulation?

2 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,

Not in this sentence say rapture before tribulation.

This verse is only title or topic that Paul Will address.

 

[Ahwatukee]

To me It is the same.

But concerning scripture, it is not the same. And that is what matters.

 

[Poida]

Some sects of Christianity believe that Christ’s second coming had already occurred. This is in conjunction with the Olivet Discourse and specifically with chapter 24 from Matthew’s Gospel(Christ returned around 70 AD prior to the destruction of Jerusalem). Is there validation to any of this? Is there any historical evidence to support such? Has the revelation of Christs second coming being a future event based on tradition and misinterpretation? Is Preterism correct?

Thoughts?

Jesus said clearly, the world would behold him no more. I'm other words, he would never set foot on the earth again. Remember Jesus death paidva random for what Adam and Eve lost. Perfect life on paradise earth. How could he return to the earth ? It wouldn't make sense for the random sacrifice he paid.

 

[Jimbone]

This post also reeks of ignorance and the fact that GOD blends future prophetic utterances with the CURRENT events listed in the day they took place.....YOU know what......you are one of the biggest hypocrites on this site.....YOU constantly portray yourself as this super duper believer and then MAKE worse mouthy comments that what other do in their initial posts....at least everyone KNOWS I get a little mouthy once in a while.......you on the other hand in pretence fire away while flatly ignoring the fact that you are as bad or worse in the way you come across.....

I have never claimed to be a "super duper" anything and getting defensive is not going to move anything forward. I reacted directly to your post and your words, I am not sorry at all about it. I think what you were saying is close minded, offensive, ignorant, and completely unlike Jesus commands us to be. No matter what you say about me and my behavior can justify YOU being wrong here. Also check my comment history, I always name myself as one of the worst offenders and am quick to admit my faults and wrongs, apologize when called for, and try to learn and grow from the mistakes. Now you're trying to deflect from your own shortcomings by bashing things I've done and not only have I never denied them, but always openly admit them as wrong, and hate it about myself to be honest, but I face them in truth. Very unlike what you're doing here, and I call you to humble yourself and repent because you are not representing our King well at all here.

I'm trying to have a real discussion about these vital truths. I understand why you don't like what I said and wanted to lash out because you got called out, but we don't have to keep acting like kids and can move forward and speak about this. I can.

Listen carefully migo......JESUS and the 2nd coming did not take place 1st century AD......it is one of the most idiotic fallacies presented on this site.....and if you can honestly read the the word of GOD, especially Matthew 24, Luke 21, Mark 13, 1st Thessalonians 4 and 5, 1st Corinthians 15, 2nd Thessalonians 2, 2nd Peter 3 and Revelation and then conclude it happened in the 1st century AD you are not being honest with the word of GOD........and your mouthy remarks above belie that you have presented the same attitude that you are accusing me of hypocrite.......good day PAL......!!

I have presented no "attitude", that's all projection by you. I said my piece about your childish manner above, so if you want to act like big boys (see I'm including myself here in case you miss the "s" in boy"s") then I will assume you believe the "Abomination of Desolation", to be a future event. That's a safe assumption, correct?

I also don't want to get too far ahead, but I assume you believe that scripture is closed, as in God has revealed everything and told us everything through Him that we need to be reconciled and made whole in Jesus right? I'm asking here, but do you believe scripture to be closed as far as and added revelation?

There I really just would like to be clear where you stand on these two issues before we move on, assuming you even want to speak about this with me any further. I will not insult or bring up any of the "crap" from before this point. I know I have been "mouthy" and am always direct on here, but I don't blame your shortcomings for them, or use them to justify myself. I even acknowledge the way I call people out sometimes, including you just now, is asking for nothing but conflict. I can't apologize for it because I meant every word, but I would really like to move forward without hard feelings if you want to continue this conversation or not. Either way know I do still like you even if you do call me all those names.

 

[Jimbone]

Here is the Chuck Missler link Sir. Please pass it along. This preterism heresy must cease and desist once and for all.

I'm starting to see a very disturbing pattern here, you do realize you just sent me to a fallible man for an answer to Gods truth. (please know for the record that I LOVE Chuck and he is so sharp, I'm not bashing him at all) I am really seeing that no matter how I ask no one will even engage on this issue of the 3rd temple. I truthfully don't care what "Chuck Missler" says, I care what Jesus says and I care even more about what He meant in truth, and just stomping your feet and folding your arms while declaring "_______ is a heresy" is pointless, but then pointing me to a man for answers just baffles me. Why can't we discuss and work through these things? Okay I get it you don't believe the same thing I do, so you just say "heresy" and turn away? Okay so we had a thousands of years delay between salvation and the judgement and end of the age, okay here we are. Do you believe the Abomination of Desolation has to take place in God true temple?
Also what do you believe about scripture? Do you believe that His word is complete and there is to be none added to it? Please don't just brush these things off as if they are nothing. If your belief is the truth, then stand on it and teach me where I'm wrong, don't just call me a heretic and run to leave me on a path of deception.

 

[back2Jesus]

Isn't this the sort of thing that Paul was warning the church in Thessaloniki about? At the beginning of 2 Thessalonians 2.
It seems as if these kinds of rumours were going around even in the lifetime of the apostles.

I would also bear in mind how Jesus warned us of many false messiahs and false teachings.
He said the Gospel would be preached in all nations, before the end. They still had a long way to go in 70AD

He warned
23 Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or ‘There he is!’ do not believe it. 24 For false christs and false prophets will arise and perform great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect. 25 See, I have told you beforehand. 26 So, if they say to you, ‘Look, he is in the wilderness,’ do not go out. If they say, ‘Look, he is in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it. 27 For as the lightning comes from the east and shines as far as the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.
(Math 24 ESV)

When he comes there won't be any doubt. The whole world will witness it.

I think Preterists have that absurd notion that we are currently in the millennial reign.
1000 years of peace despite 2 world wars, The Armenian genocide, Bubonic plague, Islamic terrorism, Pol Pot, Idi Amin etc etc.