Has the second coming occurred already?
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Okay.... not sure why you'd reply to my challenge for you to explain my problem with what YOU assert, yet here I am still defending my beliefs first because NOBODY can answer my question, and EVERYBODY, including you right now, just deflects and goes back to trying to question what I believe. Stop, defend YOUR belief, ALL OF YOU. I come here alone knowing I have the MUCH less popular view, but I believe it to be truth,so I try to share, but you guys WILL NOT defend your beliefs and you have everyone on your side to back you up. How do my beliefs have any bearing on you defending what you believe? This is another tactic for avoiding the main subject here and I will not play into it. No you can't answer my problem with your view. I have no problem with my view, that's why I believe it. I believe it fits His word the best. You and by "you" I mean every single person in this thread that believes these things are "to come", not one of you will touch this question, it makes you all deflect and avoid, accuse and name call. My mind is truly blown.You know what? It's Titus I believe fits the "man of sin" title the best in my opinion, having destroyed Gods temple, sacrificed goats and pigs on the alter, then declaring himself god, but that said there are admittedly ways he doesn't fit as well. I'm not 100% on that honestly, if you even can be, but how on earth does that have anything at all to do with you answering the "3rd temple dilemma"? Without figuring this out, it's YOUR beliefs are impossible, period. How about we forget about ridiculing my beliefs for a sec and focus in (and this goes for every pre tribber out there, not just you) and stand on your foundation for a minute to tell me how this 3rd temple is even possible, because it's not adding up in my opinion, and NO ONE will touch it.
Some of the mysteries of God seem strange but true.Its how he hid truth from those who literalize the signified understanding.
Typological is the signified language used in parables. Without them Christ spoke not.
His outward temporal life was a parable revealing the unseen things of the father. Called faith.
Revelation 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
Typological is the signified language used in parables. Without them Christ spoke not.
His outward temporal life was a parable revealing the unseen things of the father. Called faith.
Revelation 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
First off, we don't have to guess what the abomination that causes desolation is. We know it happened in history already, when Antiochus Epiphanes sacrificed a pig on the altar, and erected a statue of Zeus. Jesus points to this event in the Olivet discourse. This HAS NOT happened since Antiochus Epiphanes. It ALMOST happened in A.D. 68 I think it was, but it didn't.
And. Who says this temple is going to be God ordained? Israel has been planning for a long time to rebuild the temple.
Of course, for almost 2000 yrs preterists of every stripe said "See! Told you this temple, and Israel, and antichrist, 1000 yr reign stuff was bunk! The nation doesn't exist, and the Jews aren't in the land"..
You would of thought all preterists would have evaporated and admitted they were wrong after May 14th 1948, when David ben Gurion, cited Ezekiel, in declaring the Nation of Israel! But nope. There are just as many now, if not more, than there were then.
And. Who says this temple is going to be God ordained? Israel has been planning for a long time to rebuild the temple.
Of course, for almost 2000 yrs preterists of every stripe said "See! Told you this temple, and Israel, and antichrist, 1000 yr reign stuff was bunk! The nation doesn't exist, and the Jews aren't in the land"..
You would of thought all preterists would have evaporated and admitted they were wrong after May 14th 1948, when David ben Gurion, cited Ezekiel, in declaring the Nation of Israel! But nope. There are just as many now, if not more, than there were then.
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So you believe Titus is a man of sin or the second beast or first beast in rev 13.
I don't share this believe.
1. After antichrist Will follow Jesus appear in the sky and every one see
2. Than Jesus reign for 1000 years from mount Olive and after Titus this is Bot happen
So your dilema about temple must be build for God, not for antichrist.
Did you believe that temple that destroy by Titus build for Titus? Or for God?
I don't share this believe.
1. After antichrist Will follow Jesus appear in the sky and every one see
2. Than Jesus reign for 1000 years from mount Olive and after Titus this is Bot happen
So your dilema about temple must be build for God, not for antichrist.
Did you believe that temple that destroy by Titus build for Titus? Or for God?
Of course the "abomination of desolation" occurred in the 1st century. Jesus stated it would.
The "flee to the mountains" motif is used in all three gospels and are related to "this generation will not pass" as in the generation that heard Jesus speak.
(Luke 21:20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.)
(Luke 21:21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.)
The Greek word erhmwsiv - desolation occurs in each of the the three gospel narratives and only three times in the NT. Therefore they are speaking of the same events whether it is spoken of " the abomination of desolation" or "the desolation thereof is nigh."
(Mat 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand)
(Mat 24:16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains)
Luke and Matthew are describing the same desolation which occurred when the Romans wrecked the temple and Jerusalem in the 66-70 AD war against the Jews.
The "flee to the mountains" motif is used in all three gospels and are related to "this generation will not pass" as in the generation that heard Jesus speak.
(Luke 21:20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.)
(Luke 21:21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.)
The Greek word erhmwsiv - desolation occurs in each of the the three gospel narratives and only three times in the NT. Therefore they are speaking of the same events whether it is spoken of " the abomination of desolation" or "the desolation thereof is nigh."
(Mat 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand)
(Mat 24:16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains)
Luke and Matthew are describing the same desolation which occurred when the Romans wrecked the temple and Jerusalem in the 66-70 AD war against the Jews.
