Have demons taken control?

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posthuman

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Go through the rest of that chapter.
what? you mean this?

And the remnant of the men which were not killed by these plagues, repented not of the works of their hands that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and of silver, and of brass, and of stone, and of wood, which neither can see, neither hear, nor go. Also they repented not of their murder, and of their sorcery, neither of their fornication, nor of their theft.
(Revelation 9:20-21)
that's been going on since Genesis 4.
if the presence of these things in the world means we're in the 5th trumpet, then we have been since Genesis 4.

but the things in verse 6 have not yet happened and have never happened yet, so we're not there.
 

Nehemiah6

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that's been going on since Genesis 4.
That's called unbelief. If it has been going on since Genesis 4 then there would be no reason to state it in Revelation. God has a reason for everything written. This is in the Revelation of Jesus Christ.
 

posthuman

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That's called unbelief. If it has been going on since Genesis 4 then there would be no reason to state it in Revelation. God has a reason for everything written. This is in the Revelation of Jesus Christ.
it's dumb to ignore verse 6.
we're not in that day now, yet.


this isn't worldly politics; this is the truth.
 
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Revelation Chapter 9:1-6 NKJV S3RV4NT's commentary

1.Then the fifth angel sounded: And I saw a 'star' (angel/demon/satan) 'fallen' (past tense) from heaven to the earth.
(Luke 10:18 Jesus speaking) "I 'saw'(past tense) satan fall like lightning from heaven." (These 2 verses undeniably place satan here on earth currently - because he is a spiritual being, his presence is not necessarily visible or overtly obvious to most.)

To him was given the key to the bottomless pit. (because satan is a spiritual being, it is most likely that the pit is a spiritual manifestation or location; CERN's opening of a dimensional portal could very well fit this bill. It's highly plausible they are continuously opening a portal to a spiritual hell dimension, letting all manner of unknown entities or dark energies into our world.)

2. And he opened the bottomless pit' and smoke arose out of the pit like the smoke of a great furnace. (Again, this is describing a spiritual event. Smoke/incense have often described prayers and righteous thoughts rising up to heaven from the earth in the Bible. Because this is smoke from a hellish source, it is possible these are demonic thoughts/intenitons (prayers) that are being emitted from this pit/portal (up?) into our physical world. It has often been noted in theoretical physics that it is vibrational intensity that separates dimensions. With evil and darkness being a "LOWER" vibrational energy, and positivity and light being a "HIGHER" vibrational energy, we can perceive the following verse in a new perspective: This is Jesus upbraiding the Jews that continued to harass Him, telling them they are of their father the devil. (John 8:23) "And He said to them, 'You are from beneath; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world."

Maybe hell is not so much 'below' us physically as it is a 'lower' vibrational dimension. Maybe it's been right here with us all along just on the other side of a thin veil that separates the spiritual dimension from the material/physical dimension. That would explain all manner of supernatural phenomena dipping into our world temporarily only to disappear again from any physical/scientific means of detection. If CERN is opening a portal to another dimension, it's likely that is the dimension that is being opened.

So the sun and the air were darkened because of the smoke of the pit. (The dynamics of the sun have without a doubt been altered in recent years, i.e. global warming, rising intensity of UV rays, etc. - and the air has been undoubtedly bombarded with pollutions of all kinds, not to mention whatever is being sprayed from high altitude jets for over a decade now.)

3. Then out of the smoke locusts (likely some spiritual entity - physical? not necessarily) came upon the earth. And to them was given power (likely from satan), as the scorpions of the earth have power.
4. They were commanded not to harm the grass of the earth...

(1 Pet. 1:24) "All flesh is as grass, And all the glory of man as the flower of the grass. The grass withers, And its flower falls away..."
(Ps. 103:15) "As for man, his days are like grass; As a flower of the field, so he flourishes."
(Job 14:1-2) "Man who is born of woman is of few days and full of trouble. He comes forth like a flower and fades away; ..."

...or any green thing, or any tree, ...
( I found over 25 verses describing men as trees)

...but only those men who do not have the seal of God on their foreheads. (This seal is highly debated, but there is a consensus that it represents those who fully commit themselves and their lives to God and shun sin - which is lawlessness.)
(1 Jn. 3:4) "Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness."

5. And they were not given authority to kill them, but to torment them for five months. (see verse 6 - they will seek and desire death, but will not be allowed such reprieve.)

Their torment was like the torment of a scorpion when it strikes a man. (Note: neuralink-type technology was recorded to cause monkeys severe mental and emotional anguish due to constant mental stimulation due to the brain chip/implant and complete lack of any rest or sleep at all for very long periods of time - no natural daily reset which we have all taken so for granted for all our lives.)

Physiological effects of a Scorpion sting:
*Rapid breathing
*High blood pressure
*Increased heart rate
*Muscle spasms
*Weakness
*Trouble breathing
*Nausea
*Vomiting
*Severe convulsions
*Neurologic, respiratory and cardiovascular collapse

6. In those days men will seek death and will not find it; they will desire to die, and death will flee from them.
(Nanobot and Neuralink type technology can be described perfectly by this verse. Think 'Transcendence' with Johnny Depp. Your body would continually be repairing any damage to itself from the inside with nanobots in your bloodstream and your nervous system would be run 24/7 by an internet-type computer that monitored and controlled all those who are "online.")

Personally, I believe verses 1 and 2 could very easily be happening now - especially with all the crazy supernatural-like disappearances of people all over the world in recent decades. In that very real sense, people are already being 'TAKEN.'

To be honest, all of this could already be happening 'somewhere' in the world.

Nobody can say otherwise for certain.

Has the 5th Trumpet sounded? Who can know FOR CERTAIN?
 

Rondonmon

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We know from the book of Revelation (chapter 9 and others) that there will come a time when demons will take control of earthlings and perpetrate great evil on the earth. While that may be yet future in its proper fulfilment, the madness that has entered into American cities and into its federal government appears to be controlled demonically.

And when one looks beyond the USA at what has happened (and is happening) in the world over the last 12 months, it clearly shows that the powers of darkness are winning over the rule of law and over sanity on a daily basis. Even the pope has blatantly gone on over to the side of the globalists and liars (not that we expect much from him in the first place).

Christians may not be generally familiar with staunchly Catholic Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano. But he (as opposed to the pope) is one of the few people who has grasped what has happened in the world and connected it to Satan. Though we may differ with his theology he is speaking truth below:
AND.............To slim it down since I like to write a lot, LOL.

One simply has to check out all the appalling news that is presented daily to see that demonic anarchy and lawlessness has now become the norm, while absolutely everyone simply stands by, and the courts support the evildoers. Since this is not "normal", the only Christian explanation for the present rise of evil in America and the world is colossal demonic activity.

Christians have no fear of Satan and his demons, but his minions are now going after churches and individual Christians to shut them down. It is therefore time for all believers to make up their minds as to how they will confront the powers of darkness with the power of God and the Word of God.
This is brilliant insight brother, don't listen to the naysayers, you are right on target here.

When the Anti-Christ comes to power we are told what to look for in various places in the bible, ira all around us and the can't see it for some reason !! Men will become VAIN lovers of themselves, men with men and women with women, etc., etc. The Matt. 24:4-6 verses were about the 70 AD Fall of Jerusalem, Jesus warns them THE END (70th week) is not yet, it's by and by, don't come to Jerusalem looking fr me, that's will come LATER ON. In verse 14 he tells them WHEN and it's AFTER verses 7-13, then he starts in on the 70th week in verse 15. What is my point? The Birth Pangs are evident, they are in the final month and the final days as per as what we see as a 9 Month pregnancy. In other words, we are IMHO, mere years as in 4 -5 years, away from the Rapture. The Nation arises against Nation actually means Ethos (race) against Ethos (race) and it seems Satan is using RACE in the United States to divide us. He has Black Christians voting for his agenda via lies from the media. It is what it is. I actually think more blacks vote conservative, and many of them are now anti-God bigots, but the liberals have schemed a way into cheating so everyone thinks differently.

The Anti-Christs path has to be made straight, when it's his time, NOW is his time IMHO. I think the April 13, 2029 Apophis asteroid is the coming Day of the Lord (God's Wrath), thus me being pre 70th week Rapture, I see the Rappture as in the Fall of 2025, or 3.5 years before April 2029. Thus the Worlds Economy has to collapse, this is why these Demon filled fools in Washinton DC were so agitated when Trump won, LOL, they were like OHHHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Nnnnnnnoooooooooo, the Anti-Globalists of all Anti Globalists has won, NNOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooooooooooooo. Thus they schemed for 4 years how to steal an Election and am convinced they also got CIA Intelligence on some of the main players like Roberts on the Supreme Court that allowed this theft. Satan controls the Media, EVERY Dem is filled with a Demon and half the REpublicans are Globalists.

Thus, these Demon-filled people are going to DESTROY America from within via an Economic Collapse, that is Satan's goal, once this happens his Anti-Christ can COME FORTH. It's upon us now, this is why God allowed Trump to win (the Demons were trying to bring forth the Anti-Christ too quick,) thus God slowed them down via a Trump win and they went to nutsville. The reason God allowed Trump to lose, even though he won was, it is the Anti-Christs time, so God allowed them to steal the Election, it is time for their DEMISE !! Amen.

We are in the Birth Pangs now, the birth pangs have zero to do with the 70th week, that is THE END Jesus spoke about, which comes after the Gospel has been taken unto all the World. TV has made that happen. We are now awaiting the Rapture. say it's in the all of 2025. I say Apophis is the DOTL. I say come, Lord Jesus, we gonna win in the Fourth Quarter.
 

CS1

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Then you know the demonic forces at work. It don't take a Lynda Blair situation for demons to torment people. You see it in the who ever they are that controls the narrative. Come on for some reason people don't even know basic gender anymore.
FYI the Linda Blair was tongue in cheek. The worst thing today is a religious spirit that has infiltrated the church. Demons and the devil have always been in government.

The point I am making is to many Christian as I said earlier either underestimate the devil or overreact to everything as the devil.


The Christian should respect the capability of the enemy but not fear him.
 

Hevosmies

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That is a rather inane remark. No one is seeking demons. But they are seeking you so that you may believe all the lies and propaganda that is being broadcast daily. What has happened to America and the world is UNPRECEDENT. Which confirms that evil spirits have made a huge impact on the world.
Is it unprecedent tho? Id say the Roman/Greek empires would make America look like one big church.
 

Nehemiah6

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Is it unprecedent tho? Id say the Roman/Greek empires would make America look like one big church.
It is unprecedented in that we are not dealing with the Roman or Greek empires. We are talking about WORLDWIDE DECEPTION FOR DEPOPULATION.
 

Hevosmies

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It is unprecedented in that we are not dealing with the Roman or Greek empires. We are talking about WORLDWIDE DECEPTION FOR DEPOPULATION.
Id say the ecumenical movement for sure is unprecedented. Catholics and muslims used to go to WAR, now they are buddying it up!
 

CS1

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Id say the ecumenical movement for sure is unprecedented. Catholics and muslims used to go to WAR, now they are buddying it up!
I think that is more about " woke" than anything and a foolish Pope who thinks Muslims are peace-loving doctrinally.
 

CS1

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I think that is more about " woke" than anything and a foolish Pope who thinks Muslims are peace-loving doctrinally.
This Pope is not well-liked by the conservative clergy of RCC. This pope is a liberal socialist
 

oyster67

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The sad day has come when simple obvious Biblical truth is shouted down by "christians" as being conspiracy theory. Every man is born in darkness and in need of a Savior. Thus saith the Word of God.

Jeremiah
17:9 The heart [is] deceitful above all [things], and desperately wicked: who can know it?
17:10 I the LORD search the heart, try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, [and] according to the fruit of his doings.

The Cure was potent and extreme and severe and in direct relation to the depth of the dark pit we have been rescued from.
 
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Blackpowderduelist

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FYI the Linda Blair was tongue in cheek. The worst thing today is a religious spirit that has infiltrated the church. Demons and the devil have always been in government.

The point I am making is to many Christian as I said earlier either underestimate the devil or overreact to everything as the devil.


The Christian should respect the capability of the enemy but not fear him.
Agreed.
We should recognize them and resist them by prayer and speaking the gospel.
We should also be aware and not fall for their lies.
 

tourist

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what? you mean this?

And the remnant of the men which were not killed by these plagues, repented not of the works of their hands that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and of silver, and of brass, and of stone, and of wood, which neither can see, neither hear, nor go. Also they repented not of their murder, and of their sorcery, neither of their fornication, nor of their theft.
(Revelation 9:20-21)
that's been going on since Genesis 4.
if the presence of these things in the world means we're in the 5th trumpet, then we have been since Genesis 4.
but the things in verse 6 have not yet happened and have never happened yet, so we're not there.
Maybe we should start at the beginning....:)